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Matt Lowton

Post by Bin Ont Turf » Mon May 22, 2017 9:17 pm

5th in the tackles won stats this season................

https://www.premierleague.com/stats/top ... ckle?se=54" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Good show old boy.
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Re: Matt Lowton

Post by Wile E Coyote » Mon May 22, 2017 9:28 pm

I was 5th in the spot the ball Bin....do I not get some praise ??

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Re: Matt Lowton

Post by Wile E Coyote » Mon May 22, 2017 9:29 pm

But, well done Lowton, much improved in many ways.

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Re: Matt Lowton

Post by Dark Cloud » Mon May 22, 2017 9:30 pm

Is there a stat for wasted crosses!? ;) (No, I'm not knocking the lad! He's come on loads this season)

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Re: Matt Lowton

Post by Colburn_Claret » Mon May 22, 2017 9:31 pm

He certainly has grown as the season has gone forward. If he can continue that curve next year we will have a cracking player.

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Re: Matt Lowton

Post by MRG » Mon May 22, 2017 9:35 pm

Fantastic improvement this season

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Re: Matt Lowton

Post by elwaclaret » Mon May 22, 2017 9:41 pm

I sometimes wonder what jobs some of you have that you can find these facts and figures :-D

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Re: Matt Lowton

Post by Bin Ont Turf » Mon May 22, 2017 9:53 pm

elwaclaret wrote:I sometimes wonder what jobs some of you have that you can find these facts and figures :-D

I work as a statistician for the Premier League.
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Re: Matt Lowton

Post by Juan Tanamera » Mon May 22, 2017 9:58 pm

I make it up as I go along, a bit like some of these political threads. :D
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Re: Matt Lowton

Post by Devils_Advocate » Mon May 22, 2017 10:06 pm

If being 5th in the league for tackles won is something to praise then what does that say about Keane coming in at 185th. He must be dogshit and we'll be lucky to get shut and get a few million for him this summer

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Re: Matt Lowton

Post by IanMcL » Mon May 22, 2017 10:09 pm

A defender at Burnley has every chance! Perhaps more significant is to see George Boyd at 14th. Immense contribution.

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Re: Matt Lowton

Post by Dark Cloud » Mon May 22, 2017 10:11 pm

Devils_Advocate wrote:If being 5th in the league for tackles won is something to praise then what does that say about Keane coming in at 185th. He must be dogshit and we'll be lucky to get shut and get a few million for him this summer
185th!! No way is he that high up!

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Re: Matt Lowton

Post by Bin Ont Turf » Mon May 22, 2017 10:21 pm

Devils_Advocate wrote:If being 5th in the league for tackles won is something to praise then what does that say about Keane coming in at 185th. He must be dogshit and we'll be lucky to get shut and get a few million for him this summer

I know that it's very difficult for you to praise anything good about Burnley, such is your disposition.

I can see some of the fans of champions Chelsea looking on that stat for Kante and coming to a similar conclusion to you.

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Re: Matt Lowton

Post by Devils_Advocate » Mon May 22, 2017 10:27 pm

Lowton has had a great season and i'll happily praise him on many things but wont get to excited about some stupid stat what means sod all.

I know that its very difficult for you not to get over excited about seeing anything Burnley related high up in a table, such is your disposition

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Re: Matt Lowton

Post by Funkydrummer » Mon May 22, 2017 10:28 pm

Most improved player for us by far.

I just wish Gray had improved at the same rate, then we would have something to
shout about.

Actually, I just wish Gray had improved at all, that would be a start.

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Re: Matt Lowton

Post by Bin Ont Turf » Mon May 22, 2017 10:34 pm

A defender winning a lot of tackles is a 'stupid stat'?

Thanks for that.

Yes I've always got a bit excited about any good thing that happens at Burnley, such is my disposition.
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Re: Matt Lowton

Post by Commy » Mon May 22, 2017 10:35 pm

The blocks stats look better with Mee first and Keane second. Lowton is 12th.

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Re: Matt Lowton

Post by CombatClaret » Mon May 22, 2017 10:36 pm

Just browsing and finding other Burnley appearances.

Vokes: second most aerial duels won (Benteke 1st). Impressive given he was in and out of the team. (Keane 8th, Mee 13th)

Mee & Keane:
1st and second Most Blocks,
2nd and 4th for Clearances.
Tied 2nd headed clearances (Shows how much we need to keep at least one).

Heaton: Most saves, obviously.

Little to shout about in the Attacking stats section.

Andre Grey: 5th for Offsides

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Re: Matt Lowton

Post by Commy » Mon May 22, 2017 10:39 pm

Sam Vokes in 2nd for aerial battles won under the defence heading. Mee looks the best defender if you check all the stats.

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Re: Matt Lowton

Post by Bin Ont Turf » Mon May 22, 2017 10:42 pm

Commy wrote:Sam Vokes in 2nd for aerial battles won under the defence heading. Mee looks the best defender if you check all the stats.

That just shows how crap Keane is and we'll be lucky to get our money back for him.

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Re: Matt Lowton

Post by Devils_Advocate » Mon May 22, 2017 10:49 pm

You are very touchy about your silly stats so i'll join in the fun

Andre Gray.....5th in the offside stat this season....good show old boy

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Re: Matt Lowton

Post by Bin Ont Turf » Mon May 22, 2017 10:56 pm

Devils_Advocate wrote:You are very touchy about your silly stats so i'll join in the fun

Andre Gray.....5th in the offside stat this season....good show old boy

How juvenile.

'Lowton has had a great season and i'll happily praise him on many things'

Go on then, surprise me.

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Re: Matt Lowton

Post by Funkydrummer » Mon May 22, 2017 10:57 pm

Devils_Advocate wrote:You are very touchy about your silly stats so i'll join in the fun

Andre Gray.....5th in the offside stat this season....good show old boy
Is that a good stat, showing intent and anticipation, or a bad stat showing inability
to time a run properly ?

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Re: Matt Lowton

Post by Devils_Advocate » Mon May 22, 2017 11:06 pm

Just for you then.

I agree with post #15 that Lowton has been our most improved player. I think he is one of our best players in being able to receive the ball under pressure and remain composed and keep the move flowing. Also think he travels with the ball well and his positional play all over is very good. If he could just add a better final ball he would be one of our best players.

Im only joking around but surely if you give kudos to a player for coming high up in the stats then you have to equally associate poor performance with coming towards the bottom of the list. Lowton coming 5th is as relevant and meaningful as Keane coming 185th and in my opinion both stats mean sod all about the respective merits of them both

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Re: Matt Lowton

Post by Sidney1st » Mon May 22, 2017 11:07 pm

Funkydrummer wrote:Is that a good stat, showing intent and anticipation, or a bad stat showing inability
to time a run properly ?
It will always be the bad one where Devil is concerned.
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Re: Matt Lowton

Post by Bin Ont Turf » Mon May 22, 2017 11:11 pm

Devils_Advocate wrote:Just for you then.

I agree with post #15 that Lowton has been our most improved player. I think he is one of our best players in being able to receive the ball under pressure and remain composed and keep the move flowing. Also think he travels with the ball well and his positional play all over is very good. If he could just add a better final ball he would be one of our best players.

Im only joking around but surely if you give kudos to a player for coming high up in the stats then you have to equally associate poor performance with coming towards the bottom of the list. Lowton coming 5th is as relevant and meaningful as Keane coming 185th and in my opinion both stats mean sod all about the respective merits of them both

You see, you can do it when you try and not be a knobhead, for knobhead's sake.

This thread would be a lot shorter if you'd posted that in the first place.
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Re: Matt Lowton

Post by Devils_Advocate » Mon May 22, 2017 11:12 pm

Funkydrummer wrote:Is that a good stat, showing intent and anticipation, or a bad stat showing inability
to time a run properly ?
My point exactly. Its meaningless as it lacks any context and can be interpreted to fit whatever point you want to make.

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Re: Matt Lowton

Post by Devils_Advocate » Mon May 22, 2017 11:16 pm

Bin Ont Turf wrote:You see, you can do it when you try and not be a knobhead, for knobhead's sake.

This thread would be a lot shorter if you'd posted that in the first place.
My original point still stands that Keane being 185th to Lowtons 5th shows that the stats are a load of tosh and I wasnt criticising any Burnley player just the pointlessness of your original post

The thread would have also been a lot shorter had you not been so touchy

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Re: Matt Lowton

Post by Bin Ont Turf » Mon May 22, 2017 11:27 pm

Devils_Advocate wrote:My original point still stands that Keane being 185th to Lowtons 5th shows that the stats are a load of tosh
Why does it?

Is Keane the only player we should look as a benchmark at with this stat?

Lowton has won the most tackles for Burnley, which is a good thing, end of story.

A load of tosh that the top two are defensive midfielders in top seven sides?

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Re: Matt Lowton

Post by Devils_Advocate » Mon May 22, 2017 11:35 pm

Sorry you are right. I dont know what I was thinking of as these stats are obviously very meaningful

Well done George Boyd coming in at 165th with his solitary assist this season....good show old boy

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Re: Matt Lowton

Post by Bin Ont Turf » Mon May 22, 2017 11:40 pm

Devils_Advocate wrote:Sorry you are right. I dont know what I was thinking of as these stats are obviously very meaningful

Well done George Boyd coming in at 165th with his solitary assist this season....good show old boy

Obviously they are meaningful to you as you keep putting up different stats.

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Re: Matt Lowton

Post by Devils_Advocate » Mon May 22, 2017 11:46 pm

Yes we have established that and I have admitted I was stupid and short sighted in initially thinking otherwise.

You have shown me the light and we are now in total agreement

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Re: Matt Lowton

Post by bfcmik » Tue May 23, 2017 1:48 am

Funkydrummer wrote:Is that a good stat, showing intent and anticipation, or a bad stat showing inability
to time a run properly ?
just as likely to be an inability on the part of our midfielders to release the ball at the right time
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Re: Matt Lowton

Post by Hipper » Tue May 23, 2017 8:32 am

What is more interesting is that both Lowton (5th) and Boyd (14th) operate on our right.

That compares with Ward (39th) and Arfield (145th) on the left (Dean Marney is also 145th with half a season).

The top three tacklers are midfield players.

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Re: Matt Lowton

Post by claretspice » Tue May 23, 2017 9:53 am

Two years out of Villa, i think Lowton has been rehabilitated from that awful spell at Villa ans he's maturing into a first choice option at tight back for years to come. So much so that whilst we need another option at right back, the priority is likely to be cover for Lowton rather than a genuine competitor for his place.

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Re: Matt Lowton

Post by claretspice » Tue May 23, 2017 9:59 am

Hipper wrote:What is more interesting is that both Lowton (5th) and Boyd (14th) operate on our right.

That compares with Ward (39th) and Arfield (145th) on the left (Dean Marney is also 145th with half a season).

The top three tacklers are midfield players.
Generally, i think we set up to reduce the amount of space on our left (opponents' right, where they tend to prioritise attacks) and therefore force teams ro attack down their left where theyre often less comfortable. Tend to mean Lowton and Boyd have to do more 1 v 1 depending, albeit against theoretically less threatening players. That will logically result in them making more tackles.

Liverpool at home when we willingly conceded space to the right footed Milner, was a good example of this.

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Re: Matt Lowton

Post by RogerBest » Tue May 23, 2017 10:07 am

Devils_Advocate wrote:Sorry you are right. I dont know what I was thinking of as these stats are obviously very meaningful

Well done George Boyd coming in at 165th with his solitary assist this season....good show old boy
George Boyd 14th in the league for tackles.

Perhaps you don't understand the role George has played in the team this season.

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Re: Matt Lowton

Post by bobinho » Tue May 23, 2017 10:11 am

Funkydrummer wrote:Most improved player for us by far.

I just wish Gray had improved at the same rate, then we would have something to
shout about.

Actually, I just wish Gray had improved at all, that would be a start.
He has. Definately. He's no luis Suarez, but his overall game has improved since the start of the season.

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Re: Matt Lowton

Post by Bin Ont Turf » Tue May 23, 2017 1:02 pm

More stat based nonsense, this time from Opta........

Most effective Premier League players, team.............

Heaton
Clyne
Azpilawotsit
Mee
Monreal
Kante
Romeu
Eriksen
Hazard
Sanchez
Kane

That'll be the Burnley team in two years. :)

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Re: Matt Lowton

Post by Devils_Advocate » Tue May 23, 2017 1:30 pm

RogerBest wrote:George Boyd 14th in the league for tackles.

Perhaps you don't understand the role George has played in the team this season.
Perhaps you dont understand the point of my post

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