Breaking News Manchester Evening News Arena Explosions

NottsClaret · Post by **NottsClaret** » Tue May 23, 2017 3:03 pm

Vegas Claret wrote:not seen this mentioned on any of the news channels yet

That's because it's not news.

taio · Post by **taio** » Tue May 23, 2017 3:05 pm

HiroshimaClaret wrote:Terrible news and loss of life for many, children included. This however happens in the likes of Iraq and Syria daily and we unfortunately, on the whole, don`t bat an eyelid.

I will apologise in advance if I'm being oversensitive, but I find the above second sentence a bizarre thing to say today. It's happened on our doorstop which is bound to intensify people's thoughts and emotions, and make people think more deeply about what has happened and the tragic loss of young life. Of course any loss of innocent life is upsetting, but it's closer to home than before.

HiroshimaClaret · Post by **HiroshimaClaret** » Tue May 23, 2017 3:08 pm

taio wrote:I will apologise in advance if I'm being oversensitive, but I find the above second sentence a bizarre thing to say today. It's happened on our doorstop which is bound to intensify people's thoughts and emotions, and make people think more deeply about what has happened and the tragic loss of young life. Of course any loss of innocent life is upsetting, but it's closer to home than before.

No, fair enough. I could have worded it better.

Chobulous · Post by **Chobulous** » Tue May 23, 2017 3:11 pm

ISIS claim credit for everything of this nature. It doesn't mean that they were actually the ones who did perpetrate this atrocity, it just means that they are taking the opportunity to use it, vicariously or otherwise, to spread their perverted message. It may have been them, it may not, but to me there is no doubt that whoever was responsible was "inspired", for want of a better word, by their poisonous creed.

Vegas Claret · Post by **Vegas Claret** » Tue May 23, 2017 3:14 pm

brexit wrote:Fake news again
Be careful what you post Vegas you are doing the terrorists job for them by spreading fear and uncertainty.

Other European Isis incidents you fail to mention.
2017-04-20 Paris France
2016-12-19 Berlin Germany
2016-07-24 Ansbach Germany
2016-06-16 Manganville France
2015-11-13 Paris France
check your facts first knob

the dates are correct are they not ? (I know they are as I checked them first just to make sure that they weren't made up)

be careful who you are calling a knob

UpTheBeehole · Post by **UpTheBeehole** » Tue May 23, 2017 3:22 pm

It's very selective in its choice of dates, and is designed purely to spread fear.

Don't spread fear, bottom line.

claret3561 · Post by **claret3561** » Tue May 23, 2017 3:22 pm

It's time governments got together and wiped these Muslim terrorists off the face of the earth once and for all

brexit · Post by **brexit** » Tue May 23, 2017 3:27 pm

Vegas Claret wrote:the dates are correct are they not ? (I know they are as I checked them first just to make sure that they weren't made up)

be careful who you are calling a knob

See now you are being a dick.
I don't care about the dates it is you being a irresponsible w4nker by posting something that is absolute ********.
You are so up your own arse you don't realise that you are doing the terrorists job for them by spreading fear and anxiety.

Vegas Claret · Post by **Vegas Claret** » Tue May 23, 2017 3:29 pm

so by stating FACTS I'm doing the terrorists job, aye ok, enjoy your brexit

Vegas Claret · Post by **Vegas Claret** » Tue May 23, 2017 3:31 pm

UpTheBeehole wrote:It's very selective in its choice of dates, and is designed purely to spread fear.

Don't spread fear, bottom line.

I would agree with that, I also wouldn't call it spreading fear. It's just information that (regardless of the selective dates, btw I didn't create the post so didn't check for other dates) is correct (unfortunately)

I'm not arguing about it anyway, it's not very important in the scheme of things

ClaretMoffitt · Post by **ClaretMoffitt** » Tue May 23, 2017 3:36 pm

Imploding Turtle wrote:I've got absolutely no doubt that if this does turn out to be an Islamist attack you and people like you will be giving these bastards exactly what they want.

Oh believe me if I had my way then would sure as **** not be getting what they want.

bfcmik · Post by **bfcmik** » Tue May 23, 2017 4:08 pm

It is almost as distressing to see various posters taking up a thread designed to allow people to express their grief, shock, sympathy and outrage about an attack that has killed 22 people of whom the majority are probably just kids in point scoring attempts and inter-personal insults, abuse and vitriol.

Why don't people grow up and keep their childish feuds to places where they don't intrude onto other poster's genuine distress!

fidelcastro · Post by **fidelcastro** » Tue May 23, 2017 4:25 pm

claret3561 wrote:It's time governments got together and wiped these Muslim terrorists off the face of the earth once and for all

Great idea!

We've bombed these types of countries before, and look at how peaceful it made the world as a result... oh hang on.

Wile E Coyote · Post by **Wile E Coyote** » Tue May 23, 2017 4:33 pm

Its THE most tragic of events, so many youngsters losing their lives.
Sadly, whilst people want to talk about it, the same things occur time and time again.
People are inclined to repeat the popular phrases used by the media, "We won't be beaten" "Strong community spirit" "We just need to carry on as normal"
All good in theory, but the horrors continue unabated. There has to be something other than posting threat levels and requesting vigilance by the government.

THEWELLERNUT70 · Post by **THEWELLERNUT70** » Tue May 23, 2017 4:37 pm

Salman Abidi
British of Lybian origin named as the attacker

fidelcastro · Post by **fidelcastro** » Tue May 23, 2017 4:41 pm

THEWELLERNUT70 wrote:Salman Abdi
British of Lybian origin named as the attacker

May he rot in hell.

ecc · Post by **ecc** » Tue May 23, 2017 4:55 pm

Am in hospital in France at the moment. Only saw the news on TV this morning.

Manchester is like home for me and I know many Clarets live and/or work there. For me Manchester is Lancashire.

I am not ashamed in the least to say I shed tears.

22 people probably all young. Police have just released the identity of one victim: a little girl aged 8. Eight years old.

There are no words.

My thoughts are with the families and friends of the victims and for the people of Manchester.

RIP

claretandy · Post by **claretandy** » Tue May 23, 2017 5:11 pm

THEWELLERNUT70 wrote:Salman Abidi
British of Lybian origin named as the attacker

Family were Libyan Asylum seekers #refugees welcome

Lord Beamish · Post by **Lord Beamish** » Tue May 23, 2017 5:16 pm

claretandy wrote:Family were Libyan Asylum seekers #refugees welcome

Why don't you crawl back under your stone, you wit-less f *ck?

DCWat · Post by **DCWat** » Tue May 23, 2017 5:18 pm

brexit wrote:Fake news again
Be careful what you post Vegas you are doing the terrorists job for them by spreading fear and uncertainty.

Other European Isis incidents you fail to mention.
2017-04-20 Paris France
2016-12-19 Berlin Germany
2016-07-24 Ansbach Germany
2016-06-16 Manganville France
2015-11-13 Paris France
check your facts first knob

A fair and reasonable reply, right up until the very last word. Sort of shits all over the good point you were making.

hampsteadclaret · Post by **hampsteadclaret** » Tue May 23, 2017 5:21 pm

He is a slow learner Beamish, after the flak he got for his earlier crass comment.

He should be very embarrassed..doubt if he is.

jurek · Post by **jurek** » Tue May 23, 2017 5:23 pm

Utterly devastating news from Manchester last night.
My heart goes out to the families of the victims and to all those in Manchester.

The authorities are going to have to do some serious thinking in respect to
what they do with those who have or might be returning from Syria over the coming months/year.

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Tue May 23, 2017 5:36 pm

claretandy wrote:Family were Libyan Asylum seekers #refugees welcome

I bet you love it when things like this happen. And i say that not to be deliberately offensive, but because this and your only other post in this thread seem almost celebratory.

claretandy wrote:Now is the time for strong and stable leadership, not a terrorist sympathizer.

ClaretAndJew · Post by **ClaretAndJew** » Tue May 23, 2017 5:45 pm

I don't know if I've ever told anyone this, but my blood relative, my dad's sisters son, my cousin, is half Iranian.

His dad was a refugee here. Not sure under what circumstances, but he was.

I don't know my cousin much, but last I heard he was a successful chef in Lancaster.

To have people condem refugees and asylum seekers is a disgrace.

Rick_Muller · Post by **Rick_Muller** » Tue May 23, 2017 5:46 pm

Imploding Turtle wrote:...

Please IT, I like you, but no bickering today.

aggi · Post by **aggi** » Tue May 23, 2017 6:08 pm

THEWELLERNUT70 wrote:Salman Abidi
British of Lybian origin named as the attacker

Out of curiosity, where has this come from? Googling the name shows nothing, I'd have expected it to be all over the press if it was actually true.

cricketfieldclarets · Post by **cricketfieldclarets** » Tue May 23, 2017 6:12 pm

All races and religions coming together as one. To unite. To condemn.

After each attack the silence from leaders is deafening. The lack of unity and solidarity is evident.

I can never understand why major muslim leaders dont come out and condemn the attacks. And why leaders from other communities dont unite with them.

But if any good has come from the events there. Its the solidarity shown from Manchester and its community.

There was a powerful speech from a muslim leader on bbv five live coming out and saying powerfully and genuinely that these people arent muslims. This message needs relaying and repeating from leaders around the world.

I dont know what the answer to stop it is but education and unity will go a long way.

claretandy · Post by **claretandy** » Tue May 23, 2017 6:13 pm

aggi wrote:Out of curiosity, where has this come from? Googling the name shows nothing, I'd have expected it to be all over the press if it was actually true.

the name is spelt wrong, its salman abedi

aggi · Post by **aggi** » Tue May 23, 2017 6:15 pm

cricketfieldclarets wrote:After each attack the silence from leaders is deafening. The lack of unity and solidarity is evident.

I can never understand why major muslim leaders dont come out and condemn the attacks. And why leaders from other communities dont unite with them.

Like this for instance? http://www.standard.co.uk/news/crime/lo ... 96876.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

tim_noone · Post by **tim_noone** » Tue May 23, 2017 6:16 pm

Do paragraph 3 and 5 contradict ?

cricketfieldclarets · Post by **cricketfieldclarets** » Tue May 23, 2017 6:16 pm

aggi wrote:Like this for instance? http://www.standard.co.uk/news/crime/lo ... 96876.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Fair play. But thats the london paper. It needs to be on a wide, global scale. And not just the local leaders. The people at the very top of these religions.

aggi · Post by **aggi** » Tue May 23, 2017 6:16 pm

That makes more sense. He was still unnamed on the BBC when I was googling.

THEWELLERNUT70 · Post by **THEWELLERNUT70** » Tue May 23, 2017 6:17 pm

aggi wrote:Out of curiosity, where has this come from? Googling the name shows nothing, I'd have expected it to be all over the press if it was actually true.

Announced on Sky News

cricketfieldclarets · Post by **cricketfieldclarets** » Tue May 23, 2017 6:18 pm

tim_noone wrote:Do paragraph 3 and 5 contradict ?

No i just didnt add the guy on 5 live was a local. A mancunian. But im talking about the people at the top. He speaks as a mancunian. The leader of islam and mosques etc needs to come out.

cloughyclaret · Post by **cloughyclaret** » Tue May 23, 2017 6:20 pm

claretandy wrote:Now is the time for strong and stable leadership, not a terrorist sympathizer.

This happened under her so called 'strong and stable' leadership.

Now please, let everyone pay their respects in peace.

Claretmatt4 · Post by **Claretmatt4** » Tue May 23, 2017 6:21 pm

Pretty sure the British Council of Muslims released a press release this morning.

cricketfieldclarets · Post by **cricketfieldclarets** » Tue May 23, 2017 6:23 pm

Claretmatt4 wrote:Pretty sure the British Council of Muslims released a press release this morning.

Im not talking about them. Im talking about those at the very top. And united with other religions and leaders. One message.

Vegas Claret · Post by **Vegas Claret** » Tue May 23, 2017 6:23 pm

plenty of muslims in and around Manchester have been busting their ass over the last 18 hours to help out, free rides, free accommodation, free food etc etc etc. This is down to terrorists not a race or religion.

Damo · Post by **Damo** » Tue May 23, 2017 6:27 pm

Born in Manchester from a family well known to be against ISIS and Islamism.
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/ho ... 51896.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

cricketfieldclarets · Post by **cricketfieldclarets** » Tue May 23, 2017 6:30 pm

Vegas Claret wrote:plenty of muslims in and around Manchester have been busting their ass over the last 18 hours to help out, free rides, free accommodation, free food etc etc etc. This is down to terrorists not a race or religion.

Exactly. And for their sake this is why their leaders owe them by coming out. Om not talking about local mosques or even the british council. Im talking about the grand imams.

tim_noone · Post by **tim_noone** » Tue May 23, 2017 6:30 pm

Not an ounce of good comes from an act of cowardly terrorism..

randomclaret2 · Post by **randomclaret2** » Tue May 23, 2017 6:35 pm

They're hardly likely to come out and say they knew he was going to do this. This " He was a good lad, very quiet, nobody knew " etc, etc . is par for the course now, part of the familiar routine. Are we supposed to sympathise with someone who has murdered numerous children in the most vile way, because the local " community " reckon he came from a nice family ?

ClaretAndJew · Post by **ClaretAndJew** » Tue May 23, 2017 6:35 pm

Their "leaders" (disrespectful term, they are their own individual people) don't need to say anything until they see fit.

Every single person from the Islamic community can be judged by their own actions and words, not by the soundbite of what is essentially a bishop or priest.

cricketfieldclarets · Post by **cricketfieldclarets** » Tue May 23, 2017 6:37 pm

I agree with the sentiment but not everyonr thinks that logically and sensibly.

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Tue May 23, 2017 6:55 pm

ClaretAndJew wrote:Their "leaders" (disrespectful term, they are their own individual people) don't need to say anything until they see fit.

Every single person from the Islamic community can be judged by their own actions and words, not by the soundbite of what is essentially a bishop or priest.

There aren't really any all-encompassing Islamic leaders like there is with the Catholic Church, which might be why so many people think thy don't hear Islamic leaders condemning violence like this. Of course the Islamic world condemns it every time it happens but because there isn't a pope-like figure to speak for all of them ignorant people will continue to whine about how they're all so silent.

BigChaCha · Post by **BigChaCha** » Tue May 23, 2017 7:23 pm

My daughter was in the arena last night with her friend.

My wife drove over pick them up and was very close to the detonation. She knew straight away it was a bomb! I was at home and saw the news alert with my daughter on a clip in the panic! At this time I had no clue what was going on. My daughters phone had run out of charge as usual (I didn't know this at the time) and my wife's phone was constantly engaged and after watching some more news I feared my wife and daughter had died in the blast because they were not contactable by phone.

Thankfully my wife rang me after about 45 minutes. Luckily she had my daughters friends mobile number and finally managed to find them in the chaos.

The thing is that my wife changed her mind at the last and decided to go by car instead of train to pick them up. If she had of gone by train as originally planed it would of most likely ended differently. She would have been walking though to where the bomb went off and my daughter would have been doing the same as it's in the direction of Vitoria Station.

Last night was horrific for us so I just can't imagine what the poor parents of the children that have died are going through!

Amex · Post by **Amex** » Tue May 23, 2017 7:45 pm

BigChaCha wrote:My daughter was in the arena last night with her friend.

My wife drove over pick them up and was very close to the detonation. She knew straight away it was a bomb! I was at home and saw the news alert with my daughter on a clip in the panic! At this time I had no clue what was going on. My daughters phone had run out of charge as usual (I didn't know this at the time) and my wife's phone was constantly engaged and after watching some more news I feared my wife and daughter had died in the blast because they were not contactable by phone.

Thankfully my wife rang me after about 45 minutes. Luckily she had my daughters friends mobile number and finally managed to find them in the chaos.

The thing is that my wife changed her mind at the last and decided to go by car instead of train to pick them up. If she had of gone by train as originally planed it would of most likely ended differently. She would have been walking though to where the bomb went off and my daughter would have been doing the same as it's in the direction of Vitoria Station.

Last night was horrific for us so I just can't imagine what the poor parents of the children that have died are going through!

Thank god the were safe

cloughyclaret · Post by **cloughyclaret** » Tue May 23, 2017 7:46 pm

Thank God your family was one of the lucky ones BigChaCha. I cant imagine the worry you were experiencing.

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Tue May 23, 2017 7:57 pm

There'll have been a long of kids with dead batteries at the end of the concert because people have a weird thing about videoing the event they're at instead of watching it.

PutTheWheelieBinsOut · Post by **PutTheWheelieBinsOut** » Tue May 23, 2017 8:02 pm

It just doesn't seem right that about 20 hours after the attack that they are so many people still missing, the family's must be going through hell not knowing if their love ones are dead or missing. Something doesn't feel right, I understand it can be difficult to identify bodies but it's now 20 hours later?