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Re: Dyche ------->Palace

Post by Chester Perry » Sun Jul 26, 2020 12:46 pm

Spijed wrote:
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Sheff United have found a good number of players in the mould of Tarkowski & Pope, so there are still many lower league bargains to be had.
Sheffield United have very rapidly built up a lot of debt this season.

The (very good) players they paid relative peanuts for, were when they were not in the Premier League - the asking price changes rapidly for clubs when they get to the Prem - hence they now pay £20m or more for players

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Post by Devils_Advocate » Sun Jul 26, 2020 12:55 pm

When the topic is how Dyche and Burnley's achievements match up to other teams most people are very vocal about how small our budget is, how we are at a disadvantage to other clubs and how if Dyche and Burnley had the finances of those clubs/managers imagine what he/we could achieve

Change the topic to Dyche moving to one of these clubs and some of the same people are suddenly calling it a sideways move where he'd be no better off and wouldnt be able to achieve anything more with them than he can at Burnley

Its almost like you dont really have a thought out position and just take the viewpoint which gives from a Burnley perspective the positive narrative.
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Post by Hibsclaret » Sun Jul 26, 2020 12:56 pm

joey13 wrote:
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Scored on the 7th July this year
Really....must be worth a Jay Rod , Wood and Barnes wage combo then....

I wasn’t being literal by the way....you are deceived much like the Mrs by my lack of specifics

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Post by JohnDearyMe » Sun Jul 26, 2020 1:15 pm

I think Villa will be the more likely destination for him this summer if they stay up today

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Post by EarbyClaret » Sun Jul 26, 2020 1:16 pm

Rileybobs wrote:
Sun Jul 26, 2020 12:31 pm


I can't remember when I posted that as this thread is 3 years old. Do you not think it's fair to say that the situation may have changed in that time? If Dyche has a poor relationship with his employers then he may see this as a good opportunity. I doubt it is the dream move that Dyche may be looking for in the long term, but if he takes a job at an established PL side who offer him more money and a longer contract then he's not taking a big risk. He may find himself out of a job but I don't think he would be for long.
Apologies Rileybobs don't know what happened there - that's not your quote it's mine

Agreed - all good points well made. Yes the situation may well have changed and it may be the only way he can give his career any momentum is a move and certainly Palace wouldn't be the same level of risk as some others that might become available

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Re: Dyche ------->Palace

Post by TVC15 » Sun Jul 26, 2020 1:20 pm

Devils_Advocate wrote:
Sun Jul 26, 2020 12:55 pm
When the topic is how Dyche and Burnley's achievements match up to other teams most people are very vocal about how small our budget is, how we are at a disadvantage to other clubs and how if Dyche and Burnley had the finances of those clubs/managers imagine what he/we could achieve

Change the topic to Dyche moving to one of these clubs and some of the same people are suddenly calling it a sideways move where he'd be no better off and wouldnt be able to achieve anything more with them than he can at Burnley

Its almost like you dont really have a thought out position and just take the viewpoint which gives from a Burnley perspective the positive narrative.
This.
A lot of our fans our wanting us to invest more, borrow money, get new owners etc with a view to paying more in the transfer market and competing for the likes of Gary Cahill or other players in paying £90k / £100k a week.

This is exactly the step up in buying power that he would have at a club like Palace.
Where they are in the league now, their current form, their underwhelming and overpaid players are all pretty much irrelevant. If any of these things were in a good state they would not be potentially looking at a new manager.

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Re: Dyche ------->Palace

Post by Hipper » Sun Jul 26, 2020 1:40 pm

Top Claret wrote:
Sun Jul 26, 2020 10:56 am
Dyche as done an amazing job for us but he still has things to prove. Could he with more technical players at his disposal change his style and produce a team that can play exciting free flowing football. To change his style would take time and money. Are there any clubs outside the top 6 who have the time money and patience, because he won't get a top 6 club
Brighton have radically changed their style. They've reasonably comfortably stayed up this year with more points then last season. It will be interesting to see if they make further progress next season.

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Post by claretandy » Sun Jul 26, 2020 1:45 pm

JohnDearyMe wrote:
Sun Jul 26, 2020 1:15 pm
I think Villa will be the more likely destination for him this summer if they stay up today
I think Villa is more likely if they go down, a big clear out and time to build his team.

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Post by Spijed » Sun Jul 26, 2020 1:45 pm

TVC15 wrote:
Sun Jul 26, 2020 1:20 pm
This.
A lot of our fans our wanting us to invest more, borrow money, get new owners etc with a view to paying more in the transfer market and competing for the likes of Gary Cahill or other players in paying £90k / £100k a week.

This is exactly the step up in buying power that he would have at a club like Palace.
Where they are in the league now, their current form, their underwhelming and overpaid players are all pretty much irrelevant. If any of these things were in a good state they would not be potentially looking at a new manager.
But even with the additional buying power, look at the gap between Palace and even those just outside the big six clubs - Wolves, Leicester and now Newcastle.

For example, there is no way Palace can compete for the same quality of players Wolves can, such as Neves or Jiminez.

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Re: Dyche ------->Palace

Post by Conroy92 » Sun Jul 26, 2020 1:48 pm

Devils_Advocate wrote:
Sun Jul 26, 2020 12:55 pm
When the topic is how Dyche and Burnley's achievements match up to other teams most people are very vocal about how small our budget is, how we are at a disadvantage to other clubs and how if Dyche and Burnley had the finances of those clubs/managers imagine what he/we could achieve

Change the topic to Dyche moving to one of these clubs and some of the same people are suddenly calling it a sideways move where he'd be no better off and wouldnt be able to achieve anything more with them than he can at Burnley

Its almost like you dont really have a thought out position and just take the viewpoint which gives from a Burnley perspective the positive narrative.
I know what your saying and but the big difference is Dyche has had 8 years building his legacy here, to think he'd move to a club straight away and emulate the same success is a bit naive imo. It takes most of his signings 3 months to become Dyche fit and he'd have to rebuild into a model that suits him. It would take him a year or two to get this platform to get success from. The problem is, we are one of few clubs to allow a manager that time. If he is allowed time than yes I think he could push palace on.

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Post by dermotdermot » Sun Jul 26, 2020 1:54 pm

Dyche would be bonkers to go there. Nasty chairman, nasty fans, nasty part of London. Hodgson has been there two and a half years but, prior to that, they’ve sacked and installed new managers every year for the last twenty seven years.

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Post by DCWat » Sun Jul 26, 2020 1:55 pm

We’ve not spent much for a while now and we see the squad getting older. A season of increased investment isn’t too much to expect, particularly if we have faith in Dyche to keep us where we are.

It’s shouldn’t always be about spending big (or bigger in our case) as ideally we would be adding to the group gradually.

It just seems that we’ve been storing up something of a problem, that is now becoming an issue for Dyche, by seeing contracts run down and the previous lower levels of investment.

If we can’t or won’t spend more now, in the interest of the squad and keeping our best manager, we never will, unless investment comes in.

No one wants us to go mad but there’s a balance between risk averse and wild spending.

I for one would have faith in Dyche to be making the right decisions for the club both short and long term.

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Re: Dyche ------->Palace

Post by Steddyman » Sun Jul 26, 2020 2:01 pm

ClaretTony wrote:
Sun Jul 26, 2020 10:27 am
I really, really hope I'm wrong but I've thought for a while now that today could be his final game as manager. There is clearly a major issue at the club now between manager and chairman. He's had another little dig this week about never having a budget. I would not be at all surprised if he didn't think this was the time to move on.
Completely agree with this. The Covid-19 situation has clearly stretched Burnley finances, and with no outside investment it is unlikely there will be any major signings in the window. Dyche has been clear on his demands to strengthen and his frustration with the chairmen.

The Burnley board will probably target Graham Alexander as a likely replacement.

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Post by Devils_Advocate » Sun Jul 26, 2020 2:02 pm

Conroy92 wrote:
Sun Jul 26, 2020 1:48 pm
I know what your saying and but the big difference is Dyche has had 8 years building his legacy here, to think he'd move to a club straight away and emulate the same success is a bit naive imo. It takes most of his signings 3 months to become Dyche fit and he'd have to rebuild into a model that suits him. It would take him a year or two to get this platform to get success from. The problem is, we are one of few clubs to allow a manager that time. If he is allowed time than yes I think he could push palace on.
Its a different argument slightly but if Dyche is wanting to go to the next level up then at some stage he needs to back his own ability and take a risk by moving to another club and being successful with them.

On a side note where is the evidence our club allows a manager time?

Dyche was an instant success and achieved automatic promotion in his first full season. We were widely credited for the effort we made to stay up and then won the league to immediately get promoted again. He has then kept us in the top division on a low budget and even got us into Europe. Dyche has never had to rely on the boards patience to keep his job and in fact its quite the opposite where we are desperate for him to stay.

In contrast Burnley didnt even give Laws a full 12 months and as for Howe although he wasnt sacked it was thought that the board were ready to let him go within 2 years of getting the job despite the rebuilding job he had taken on.

If Dyche makes an impact on his new club as quickly as he did at Burnley (and if he is such a great manager why shouldnt he) then he will not be under any pressure from any board around getting sacked

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Post by Hipper » Sun Jul 26, 2020 2:07 pm

Palace are the club that gave Frank de Boer 77 days as he tried to make radical changes.

Dyche at Burnley has mainly tried to bring in players with character plus talent. It leaves us with pretty capable players but not as skilful as most. That's why we play the style we do. It allows for the players' limitations at this level. Even against Norwich (with eleven vs eleven) we weren't able to keep the ball but we still controlled the game.

With most other clubs he will be dealing with more skilful players who may or may not have the right character.

Any replacement for Dyche at our club is going to have a big problem with this issue.
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Post by Spijed » Sun Jul 26, 2020 2:15 pm

Hipper wrote:
Sun Jul 26, 2020 2:07 pm
Palace are the club that gave Frank de Boer 77 days as he tried to make radical changes.
Hardly giving a manager time is it?

What was it? four defeats?.......and he was out!

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Post by GodIsADeeJay81 » Sun Jul 26, 2020 2:15 pm

Devils_Advocate wrote:
Sun Jul 26, 2020 2:02 pm
Its a different argument slightly but if Dyche is wanting to go to the next level up then at some stage he needs to back his own ability and take a risk by moving to another club and being successful with them.

On a side note where is the evidence our club allows a manager time?

Dyche was an instant success and achieved automatic promotion in his first full season. We were widely credited for the effort we made to stay up and then won the league to immediately get promoted again. He has then kept us in the top division on a low budget and even got us into Europe. Dyche has never had to rely on the boards patience to keep his job and in fact its quite the opposite where we are desperate for him to stay.

In contrast Burnley didnt even give Laws a full 12 months and as for Howe although he wasnt sacked it was thought that the board were ready to let him go within 2 years of getting the job despite the rebuilding job he had taken on.

If Dyche makes an impact on his new club as quickly as he did at Burnley (and if he is such a great manager why shouldnt he) then he will not be under any pressure from any board around getting sacked
Do Burnley give managers time?
You already know they do.

Dyche got us promoted, but it wasn't the plan for his first full season.
We got relegated and he wasn't fired.
We've been sat in the relegation spots a few times around Xmas and he's still not been fired.

Yes the club give the managers time, you know that full well so stop chatting ********.

Laws - the dressing room decided to behave like a bunch of spoiled children who'd had their toys taken away from them when Coyle left, Laws was on a hiding to nothing as a result.

Howe - we all know the personal reasons that led to why he went home and in the end it was a mutual decision that both parties came out of with image etc intact.
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Post by Wokingclaret » Sun Jul 26, 2020 2:17 pm

Steddyman wrote:
Sun Jul 26, 2020 2:01 pm
Completely agree with this. The Covid-19 situation has clearly stretched Burnley finances, and with no outside investment it is unlikely there will be any major signings in the window. Dyche has been clear on his demands to strengthen and his frustration with the chairmen.

The Burnley board will probably target Graham Alexander as a likely replacement.
I was with it until the last bit

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Post by Ric_C » Sun Jul 26, 2020 2:20 pm

Nixon says Palace are happy with Roy, and there is less chance of SD going to Palace now than two years ago.
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Post by TVC15 » Sun Jul 26, 2020 2:22 pm

Spijed wrote:
Sun Jul 26, 2020 1:45 pm
But even with the additional buying power, look at the gap between Palace and even those just outside the big six clubs - Wolves, Leicester and now Newcastle.

For example, there is no way Palace can compete for the same quality of players Wolves can, such as Neves or Jiminez.
Zaha is on £140k a week.
I doubt Neves (or possibly Jimenez) is on more than Zaha or even Meyer, Benteke and Sakho.

Palace paid more for Sakho and Benteke (£30m each) than Wolves did for Jiminez and Neves.

They paid more for Meyer than Wolves did for Traore.

As for Newcastle - Palace have spent miles more than them in the transfer market and Palace wage bill is quite a bit higher than Newcastles.

Leicester and Palace have similar wage bills - Leicester have had a lot of money in from player sales - Maguire, Kante, Marhez and Drinkwater has brought them nearly £200m.

Palace have the backing and finance to compete with a number of teams..they have a billionaire owner. Think you are mistaking their performance on the pitch with spending power.

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Post by GodIsADeeJay81 » Sun Jul 26, 2020 2:31 pm

Chester has said that the current Palace owners are looking for a way out.

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Post by FactualFrank » Sun Jul 26, 2020 2:32 pm

Ric_C wrote:
Sun Jul 26, 2020 2:20 pm
Nixon says Palace are happy with Roy, and there is less chance of SD going to Palace now than two years ago.
Not sure about happy, but he put: "Palace are ok with Hodgson just now" - then a Palace fan replied with, "We’re definitely not ok with Hodgson right now"

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Post by Devils_Advocate » Sun Jul 26, 2020 2:36 pm

TVC15 wrote:
Sun Jul 26, 2020 2:22 pm
Zaha is on £140k a week.
I doubt Neves (or possibly Jimenez) is on more than Zaha or even Meyer, Benteke and Sakho.

Palace paid more for Sakho and Benteke (£30m each) than Wolves did for Jiminez and Neves.

They paid more for Meyer than Wolves did for Traore.

As for Newcastle - Palace have spent miles more than them in the transfer market and Palace wage bill is quite a bit higher than Newcastles.

Leicester and Palace have similar wage bills - Leicester have had a lot of money in from player sales - Maguire, Kante, Marhez and Drinkwater has brought them nearly £200m.

Palace have the backing and finance to compete with a number of teams..they have a billionaire owner. Think you are mistaking their performance on the pitch with spending power.
Sounds like what Palace need is a top manager who can spend the budget wisely to get value and who can mould them into a great team that over achieves. Any idea of a manager who might be capable of this?

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Post by taio » Sun Jul 26, 2020 2:39 pm

Spijed wrote:
Sun Jul 26, 2020 1:45 pm
But even with the additional buying power, look at the gap between Palace and even those just outside the big six clubs - Wolves, Leicester and now Newcastle.

For example, there is no way Palace can compete for the same quality of players Wolves can, such as Neves or Jiminez.
Why compare Palace to those clubs? Surely it's best to compare Palace to Burnley given that's the speculation and what is being discussed. And surely Palace could be a stepping stone to those type of clubs even though you said Palace doesn't provide such a stepping stone opportunity. In my view it wouldn't be a big jump up but equally it's not a sideways move either. But even if it was in many ways a sideways move, Dyche clearly now has an issue with our Chairman and the budgets available (or lack of) and he would have bigger budgets at Palace in terms of both transfers and salaries. Hopefully these issues aren't has significant as Dyche would have us believe and he stays, but if Hodgson goes and Dyche is offered the job I would be surprised if he turned it down.

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Post by Hedontplayforyou » Sun Jul 26, 2020 2:42 pm

Devils_Advocate wrote:
Sun Jul 26, 2020 2:02 pm
Its a different argument slightly but if Dyche is wanting to go to the next level up then at some stage he needs to back his own ability and take a risk by moving to another club and being successful with them.

On a side note where is the evidence our club allows a manager time?

Dyche was an instant success and achieved automatic promotion in his first full season. We were widely credited for the effort we made to stay up and then won the league to immediately get promoted again. He has then kept us in the top division on a low budget and even got us into Europe. Dyche has never had to rely on the boards patience to keep his job and in fact its quite the opposite where we are desperate for him to stay.

In contrast Burnley didnt even give Laws a full 12 months and as for Howe although he wasnt sacked it was thought that the board were ready to let him go within 2 years of getting the job despite the rebuilding job he had taken on.

If Dyche makes an impact on his new club as quickly as he did at Burnley (and if he is such a great manager why shouldnt he) then he will not be under any pressure from any board around getting sacked
Would you have given Laws any longer? Seriously? He shouldn’t have been appointed in the first place .
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Post by Devils_Advocate » Sun Jul 26, 2020 2:49 pm

Hedontplayforyou wrote:
Sun Jul 26, 2020 2:42 pm
Would you have given Laws any longer? Seriously? He shouldn’t have been appointed in the first place .
No, but the argument is that our board gives managers time. My point was Dyche has had all the time in the world because he has been an unbelievable success and at no time have the board been under real pressure to sack him had to show patience to give him more time

As soon as we were in a position where our manager was failing (Laws) our board got rid pretty sharpish like any other club.

Had Burnley been down the bottom of the Championship playing awfully after Dyche's first full season then I doubt the board would have been looking to give him another 5 years to turn it round as thats not how football works

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Post by Conroy92 » Sun Jul 26, 2020 2:53 pm

Devils_Advocate wrote:
Sun Jul 26, 2020 2:49 pm
No, but the argument is that our board gives managers time. My point was Dyche has had all the time in the world because he has been an unbelievable success and at no time have the board been under real pressure to sack him had to show patience to give him more time

As soon as we were in a position where our manager was failing (Laws) our board got rid pretty sharpish like any other club.

Had Burnley been down the bottom of the Championship playing awfully after Dyche's first full season then I doubt the board would have been looking to give him another 5 years to turn it round as thats not how football works
Had Dyche been at most other prem clubs before Christmas this year he would have gone. If he went to Palace they would not afford him that time in his first year.

I believe our club do give managers a period of time longer than others would.

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Post by Wokingclaret » Sun Jul 26, 2020 2:53 pm

Laws had already failed with his hospital pass part prem season

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Post by joey13 » Sun Jul 26, 2020 3:07 pm

Hibsclaret wrote:
Sun Jul 26, 2020 12:56 pm
Really....must be worth a Jay Rod , Wood and Barnes wage combo then....

I wasn’t being literal by the way....you are deceived much like the Mrs by my lack of specifics
I do it all the time ,doesn’t get me anywhere either :lol:

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Post by Devils_Advocate » Sun Jul 26, 2020 3:15 pm

Conroy92 wrote:
Sun Jul 26, 2020 2:53 pm
Had Dyche been at most other prem clubs before Christmas this year he would have gone. If he went to Palace they would not afford him that time in his first year.

I believe our club do give managers a period of time longer than others would.
Yes but its all relative. If you were Man Utd manager and in the bottom 3 at Xmas you would get sacked because of the expectation linked to the money and players you have at your disposal

If you have just taken a club like Burnely into Europe with their best league finish for almost half a century who are punching well above their weight then being bottom at Xmas isnt quite the same plus you have built up enough credit to be given the opportunity to turn things around

When we sacked Laws we were in the top half of the Championship. Kenny Jackett was manager of Millwall and had got them promoted from League 1 the previous season. They were below us in the league but Millwall didnt sack Jackett. Is that because Millwall give managers more time than us or was it because what was deemed acceptable for the clubs was totally different?

The point is Palace have a bigger budget, a bigger squad, better quality of players and with that more expectation. If Dyche went there he will back himself not to have them cut adrift at the foot of the table and will take the associated risks.

If Dyche had a good few successful years at Palace and got them in the Champions league do you think they would boot him out at Xmas the next season because they were bottom or do you think he would have earned up enough goodwill and credit to have the chance to turn things around like he had at Burnley.

Burnley have only had a handful of poor seasons since Stan took us up at the start of the century so its hard to judge us against other clubs because we have been brilliant at picking good managers and have constantly performed to our expected level and often performed above it

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Post by mdd2 » Sun Jul 26, 2020 3:34 pm

Leicester potted Ranieri PDQ after getting into Europe and winning the title followed by a poor league record the next season despite quite a good run in the Champions league and getting to the last 8

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Post by Spijed » Sun Jul 26, 2020 3:37 pm

Devils_Advocate wrote:
Sun Jul 26, 2020 3:15 pm
Yes but its all relative. If you were Man Utd manager and in the bottom 3 at Xmas you would get sacked because of the expectation linked to the money and players you have at your disposal

If you have just taken a club like Burnely into Europe with their best league finish for almost half a century who are punching well above their weight then being bottom at Xmas isnt quite the same plus you have built up enough credit to be given the opportunity to turn things around

When we sacked Laws we were in the top half of the Championship. Kenny Jackett was manager of Millwall and had got them promoted from League 1 the previous season. They were below us in the league but Millwall didnt sack Jackett. Is that because Millwall give managers more time than us or was it because what was deemed acceptable for the clubs was totally different?

The point is Palace have a bigger budget, a bigger squad, better quality of players and with that more expectation. If Dyche went there he will back himself not to have them cut adrift at the foot of the table and will take the associated risks.

If Dyche had a good few successful years at Palace and got them in the Champions league do you think they would boot him out at Xmas the next season because they were bottom or do you think he would have earned up enough goodwill and credit to have the chance to turn things around like he had at Burnley.

Burnley have only had a handful of poor seasons since Stan took us up at the start of the century so its hard to judge us against other clubs because we have been brilliant at picking good managers and have constantly performed to our expected level and often performed above it
How many better players do palace have?

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Post by Devils_Advocate » Sun Jul 26, 2020 3:45 pm

Spijed wrote:
Sun Jul 26, 2020 3:37 pm
How many better players do palace have?
If I had to pick a squad of 25 players from the two clubs for Dyche to coach and manage then I reckon Palace would have around 15 players.

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Re: Dyche ------->Palace

Post by Conroy92 » Sun Jul 26, 2020 3:54 pm

Devils_Advocate wrote:
Sun Jul 26, 2020 3:15 pm
Yes but its all relative. If you were Man Utd manager and in the bottom 3 at Xmas you would get sacked because of the expectation linked to the money and players you have at your disposal

If you have just taken a club like Burnely into Europe with their best league finish for almost half a century who are punching well above their weight then being bottom at Xmas isnt quite the same plus you have built up enough credit to be given the opportunity to turn things around

When we sacked Laws we were in the top half of the Championship. Kenny Jackett was manager of Millwall and had got them promoted from League 1 the previous season. They were below us in the league but Millwall didnt sack Jackett. Is that because Millwall give managers more time than us or was it because what was deemed acceptable for the clubs was totally different?

The point is Palace have a bigger budget, a bigger squad, better quality of players and with that more expectation. If Dyche went there he will back himself not to have them cut adrift at the foot of the table and will take the associated risks.

If Dyche had a good few successful years at Palace and got them in the Champions league do you think they would boot him out at Xmas the next season because they were bottom or do you think he would have earned up enough goodwill and credit to have the chance to turn things around like he had at Burnley.

Burnley have only had a handful of poor seasons since Stan took us up at the start of the century so its hard to judge us against other clubs because we have been brilliant at picking good managers and have constantly performed to our expected level and often performed above it
Again, I agree with part of what your saying however I still believe Dyche would have to go through a shaky start to build the team how he wanted it. When he started with us he solidified the back but it wasn't pretty, his football then evolved.
He would need the time and it remains to be seen if he'll get it

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Re: Dyche ------->Palace

Post by Devils_Advocate » Sun Jul 26, 2020 3:58 pm

Conroy92 wrote:
Sun Jul 26, 2020 3:54 pm
Again, I agree with part of what your saying however I still believe Dyche would have to go through a shaky start to build the team how he wanted it. When he started with us he solidified the back but it wasn't pretty, his football then evolved.
He would need the time and it remains to be seen if he'll get it
Fair enough, I dont think we are miles apart and ive have banged on more than enough with my thoughts on this so time to watch the match me thinks

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Re: Dyche ------->Palace

Post by GodIsADeeJay81 » Sun Jul 26, 2020 4:36 pm

Devils_Advocate wrote:
Sun Jul 26, 2020 3:45 pm
If I had to pick a squad of 25 players from the two clubs for Dyche to coach and manage then I reckon Palace would have around 15 players.
Just gone through their squad list.

They've got 4 GK's and out of their 3 forwards two rarely score and the other is Zaha, so that's 5 of their squad ruled out.

I'd be interested to know which 15 you'd have though, but it's also a bit harsh on us because we've got a number of departures with no chance to replace like we normally would.

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Re: Dyche ------->Palace

Post by Devils_Advocate » Sun Jul 26, 2020 4:56 pm

Well Barnes has only once in his career scored more Premier League goals in a season than Jordan Ayew has scored this year and I reckon with Dyche managing him Benteke could regain his old form when he was a far better player than Barnes or Vydra will ever be

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Re: Dyche ------->Palace

Post by nyclaret » Sun Jul 26, 2020 5:10 pm

claretandy wrote:
Sun Jul 26, 2020 1:45 pm
I think Villa is more likely if they go down, a big clear out and time to build his team.
What time? 4 weeks?

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Re: Dyche ------->Palace

Post by GodIsADeeJay81 » Sun Jul 26, 2020 5:23 pm

Devils_Advocate wrote:
Sun Jul 26, 2020 4:56 pm
Well Barnes has only once in his career scored more Premier League goals in a season than Jordan Ayew has scored this year and I reckon with Dyche managing him Benteke could regain his old form when he was a far better player than Barnes or Vydra will ever be
I think Benteke is shot to pieces tbh, I doubt he'd ever recover that form that would put him on a par with Chris Wood's from recent years.

A fit Barnes and Ayew aren't going to be much different really for goals so I wouldn't be overly excited about Ayew playing for us.

Sakho had the makings of a top level defender but for whatever reason he's regressed.

Majority of their squad are average PL players with a couple of stand out players, very comparable to ours in that's respect, they're just paid a lot more money.

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Re: Dyche ------->Palace

Post by Quickenthetempo » Sun Jul 26, 2020 5:55 pm

If anyone from Palace has watched today's game they will stick with Roy.

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Re: Dyche ------->Palace

Post by claretandy » Sun Jul 26, 2020 6:08 pm

nyclaret wrote:
Sun Jul 26, 2020 5:10 pm
What time? 4 weeks?
I don't think he'd be sacked if they didn't come straight back up, pointless now, they've stayed up.

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Re: Dyche ------->Villa

Post by Steve1956 » Sun Jul 26, 2020 6:09 pm

Without a doubt.

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Re: Dyche ------->Palace

Post by TVC15 » Sun Jul 26, 2020 6:56 pm

Quickenthetempo wrote:
Sun Jul 26, 2020 5:55 pm
If anyone from Palace has watched today's game they will stick with Roy.
Yeh - I’m sure they would make that decision based on one pretty meaningless end of season game rather than the whole season or even the last few years of Dyche’s managerial career.

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Re: Howe ------->Palace

Post by Steve1956 » Sun Jul 26, 2020 7:06 pm

^ more chance of this I think ^

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Re: Dyche ------->Palace

Post by Quickenthetempo » Sun Jul 26, 2020 7:23 pm

TVC15 wrote:
Sun Jul 26, 2020 6:56 pm
Yeh - I’m sure they would make that decision based on one pretty meaningless end of season game rather than the whole season or even the last few years of Dyche’s managerial career.
Meaningless?

It cost us over 5m and our goalkeeper the top award he can individually win.

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Re: Dyche ------->Palace

Post by MT03ALG » Sun Jul 26, 2020 7:30 pm

Dyche to Villa, watch this space. Northampton to Birmingham = 50 miles = 1 hour

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Re: Dyche ------->Palace

Post by TVC15 » Sun Jul 26, 2020 7:31 pm

Quickenthetempo wrote:
Sun Jul 26, 2020 7:23 pm
Meaningless?

It cost us over 5m and our goalkeeper the top award he can individually win.
No “pretty” meaningless. In the context of the whole season it was one of the least important games - yes.

Financially our finishing position is determined by the whole of the season and we finished 7 places and several million pounds above the amount we had budgeted for.

Besides the point are you seriously standing by your comment that if Crystal Palace saw the game today they would stick with Hodgson ?
Is that actually a serious point you are making ? - or another one of your its the end of the world comments every time we lose a game ?

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Re: Dyche ------->Palace

Post by FactualFrank » Sun Jul 26, 2020 7:42 pm

Burnley manager Sean Dyche says he has already had discussions about the club's transfer strategy and is expecting more talks to follow: "We'll see about that one, it'll be interesting..."

That doesn't sound to me like someone who's about to leave the club. It sounds like they have a transfer plan during the window but will have to see how it goes with regards to targets and getting deals over the line.

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Re: Dyche ------->Palace

Post by MT03ALG » Sun Jul 26, 2020 8:51 pm

I repeat: Dyche to Villa, watch this space...

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Re: Dyche ------->Palace

Post by FactualFrank » Sun Jul 26, 2020 9:40 pm

MT03ALG wrote:
Sun Jul 26, 2020 8:51 pm
I repeat: Dyche to Villa, watch this space...
Watching.

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