Dyche ------->Palace

KRBFC · Post by **KRBFC** » Thu May 25, 2017 10:03 am

Whatever happens I will trust the board to make the right decision for the club. If he were to leave id wish him well and thank him for the results but Id be glad to be shut of the dycheball and look forward to enjoy watching my team play again. Providing we don't end up with another soul sucking manager.

martin_p · Post by **martin_p** » Thu May 25, 2017 10:05 am

Socrates wrote:Southampton played Inter Milan in the Europa League a little over six months ago and Palace were in last year's FA Cup Final.

C'mon man. Take the Claret-Tinted specs off.

Two clubs going backwards then.

Firthy · Post by **Firthy** » Thu May 25, 2017 10:30 am

I don't think he will be going anywhere. Above all else he's a realist and IMO very loyal. He's earning enough money for a comfortable living and getting rave reviews with what he's achieved. He has the full backing of the board and a good squad of players at Burnley with the promise of transfer money.

Going to a bigger club with more money and players with bigger ego's isn't necessarily an easy option and he could fail miserably. David Moyes is a typical example, did wonders with Everton within their limitations at the time and didn't hack it at Man U and IMO part of it was down to the players and their ego's.

starting_11 · Post by **starting_11** » Thu May 25, 2017 10:31 am

Why aren't I a football journalist?

Must be quite a cushy number just making up things as you go along.

ClaretAndJew · Post by **ClaretAndJew** » Thu May 25, 2017 10:32 am

Not every club has massive ego's and Dyche could handle the ones that are at other clubs anyway, that's what he's done here.

I think, if he doesn't go, his head will certainly be turned. It's coming up 5 years now for his tenure, a feat that is rare in football as it is an ever evolving game of chance (with regards to moving on and up).

Steve1956 · Post by **Steve1956** » Thu May 25, 2017 11:13 am

It needs to be sorted quick,if it drags on and on we will go down next season,we need Dyche to come out and say he staying or go now,Silva at Hull won't be unemployed long...I'd fancy him managing us.

Culmclaret · Post by **Culmclaret** » Thu May 25, 2017 11:17 am

Silva might have a tricky choice between Burnley and Porto...

kentonclaret · Post by **kentonclaret** » Thu May 25, 2017 11:24 am

Using the logic that Burnley won at Palace so must have impressed the Selhurst Park hierarchy then surely they should be appointing David Moyes.

Sunderland won 4-0 at Selhurst Park and David Moyes is readily available.

keith1879 · Post by **keith1879** » Thu May 25, 2017 11:49 am

martin_p wrote:Palace and Southampton? Potential for what? A top 10 finish? They're hardly miles ahead of us and we've only just managed a first season of survival! It's only the clubs that finished in the top seven this season that currently have more potential than us, there was a sixteen point gap between Everton in seventh and Southampton in eighth, who finished just six points above us. There's nothing in either clubs recent history to suggest they can do that much better.

Word for word what I was thinking. I will be worried when a club with the potential to be in the top 7 comes calling. So Newcastle, Villa, Leeds - maybe even Sunderland. I can't see that CP or Hull have any potential at all to be an established (ie not fighting relegation every season) premier league club. There are dozens of clubs who could do well for one or two seasons (and I think that we are one of them).

claretspice · Post by **claretspice** » Thu May 25, 2017 11:56 am

I don't think the fact that a broadly similar sized club to Burnley, with similar aspriations to Burnley (if a better current playing squad, man for man) covets a manager who has been very successful at Burnley is news at all. I'd be more surprised if Dyche didn't feature on their wish list. I am surprised Howe doesn't currently feature in dispatches, to be honest - I assume he will be right in the frame if the Southampton job comes up.

The story will be if it becomes evident that Dyche is interested in the job. And by interested, I mean really interested - i.e. doing more than just exploring it and whether Burnley can match his opportunity to build a team at Palace.

At the minute, I've not read anything suggesting it is the case. The briefings actually appear to be that money at Palace will be fairly limited this summer, and Croydon is not that much closer to Kettering than Burnley in travel terms. So nothing to get to excited by just yet.

NRC · Post by **NRC** » Thu May 25, 2017 12:47 pm

Holmeclaret wrote:My worry is that Sean is at the highest point in his career so far and he's been praised universally. If he stays on another season and fails to keep us up, all that would disappear. Would clubs like Palace and similar have any interest in a manager who had presided over a relegation have an interest? I think it's unlikely.
That's not to say that we will be relegated but Dyche will be under no illusions about the challenges next season.

On the other hand, if you're SD, and by definition you HAVE to believe in yourself, I would want to show progression next season, and I would want to offer that to the watching world. Honestly, if the players had "performed" in the last two games we could very well have finished 11th, not 16th. If I was SD I would be targeting position 10, maybe 9 - i.e. top half.

With THAT he can say "look, I manage on a budget, I can get lower cost players to perform, and I can integrate what's needed to be a top half outfit" - and that is a more impressive CV than avoiding relegation. If I was SD I'd be targeting exactly this, and then see what opportunities open for me

Holmeclaret · Post by **Holmeclaret** » Thu May 25, 2017 1:15 pm

I hope you're right NRC but I think 9/10th next season is a hell of an ask.
What's more of a gamble for Dyche would be whether he should give up the freedom to manage the club that he gets from the Burnley board. As one poster has put it, there'll be much more meddling at Palace.

tim_noone · Post by **tim_noone** » Thu May 25, 2017 1:20 pm

Steve1956 wrote:It needs to be sorted quick,if it drags on and on we will go down next season,we need Dyche to come out and say he staying or go now,Silva at Hull won't be unemployed long...I'd fancy him managing us.

There's nothing to be sorted.

Bacchus · Post by **Bacchus** » Thu May 25, 2017 1:50 pm

I'd flip it the other way around. As good a job as Dyche has undoubtedly done at Burnley, that's against a backdrop of wildly differing expectations to those he'd face at a bigger club. To my eyes he still has a bit to prove before the bigger clubs come seriously sniffing around, (other than maybe in January / February where struggling clubs might find themselves more willing to take a punt.)

There are plenty of things that would make me a little underwhelmed by the prospect of Dyche if I were a Palace or Southampton fan. We only won once away all season. He has an apparent inability to win games against inferior teams. His playing style doesn't generally win too many neutrals over - it's fine if it's bringing success but not if things are going the other way. He still seems reluctant to deviate from plan A even when it doesn't appear to be working too well. His record in the transfer market is still a little hit & miss. Of course you can apply a counter argument / mitigation to all of those things but they are things that would concern me if I were at a club where a top half finish and a strong showing in the cups is the target.

I've no doubt Dyche will eventually go on to bigger and better things - I'm just not sure he's quite at that stage yet.

tim_noone · Post by **tim_noone** » Thu May 25, 2017 2:15 pm

Monk will get the palace job. Stop worrying now.

JTClaret · Post by **JTClaret** » Thu May 25, 2017 3:56 pm

He'll go eventually.

But I don't see why he would go anywhere just yet. He job is ridiculously safe considering the nature of the job.
The better he does with us, the bigger name he becomes, the status at Burnley will be legendary and with that he will be in a position to get whatever he wants - whatever that may be.
He also has the opportunity to show he isn't just hoof and survive, but build a premier league team capable of entertainment and results. Something I think he needs to prove if he wants to continue to the top. He's done step one, get there, and two, stay up, now to make the next step and for me that is to become an established PL manager. Moving to an already established one runs the risk of being fired if it doesn't work and quickly.

Palace isn't in a good enough position to jump to at the moment. But when that club is linked, we'll all know he has to take it.
All assuming it doesn't all go sour next year - it is a very fickle game.

bfcjg · Post by **bfcjg** » Thu May 25, 2017 4:28 pm

Only palace he'll be going to is Buckingham, arise sir Sean Lord of Burnley.

RocketLawnChair · Post by **RocketLawnChair** » Thu May 25, 2017 4:50 pm

bfcjg wrote:Only palace he'll be going to is Buckingham, arise sir Sean Lord of Burnley.

I know Sean Lord, Lives up Harle Syke

Grimsby Claret · Post by **Grimsby Claret** » Thu May 25, 2017 5:18 pm

Are Crystal Palace that much bigger than us, I don''t think so.
When Sean Leaves I really hope its to what he calls one of the super Poewrs.
In the meantime The Realities are Sean knows where his bread is butter'd.

Grimsby Claret · Post by **Grimsby Claret** » Thu May 25, 2017 5:20 pm

Are Crystal Palace that much bigger than us, I don''t think so.
When Sean Leaves I really hope its to what he calls one of the super Power's.
In the meantime The Realities are Sean knows where his bread is butter'd.

Grimsby Claret · Post by **Grimsby Claret** » Thu May 25, 2017 5:23 pm

Are Palace that much bigger than us ?
I dont think so.
Sean Knows where his Bread is butterd.

Jakubs Tash · Post by **Jakubs Tash** » Thu May 25, 2017 5:24 pm

tim_noone wrote:Monk will get the palace job. Stop worrying now.

Monk very heavily linked to the Boro job - even before he left Leeds.

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Fri May 26, 2017 1:37 am

If Dyche does go to palace the only manager i think we could get that i'd be comfortable with is Moyes. But i've never been comfortable with the managers the board choose and they always seem to get it right so i'll trust them again.

Pstotto · Post by **Pstotto** » Fri May 26, 2017 1:48 am

I doubt Dyche will jump ship now that it's basically his club to run, at Burnley. He knows he's got job security, he's got good money, he cares about his kids and having a stable family life out of the spotlight, he's surrounded by nice countryside, so i think he'll definitely stay at least another season, maybe 20 years like Wenger. Surely not everyone in football is a tart.

triadclaret · Post by **triadclaret** » Fri May 26, 2017 2:34 am

Nailed on right there Pstotto. End of thread

keith1879 · Post by **keith1879** » Fri May 26, 2017 12:20 pm

Imploding Turtle wrote:If Dyche does go to palace the only manager i think we could get that i'd be comfortable with is Moyes. But i've never been comfortable with the managers the board choose and they always seem to get it right so i'll trust them again.

Remove the word "Moyes" and I agree with everything you have said.

Wile E Coyote · Post by **Wile E Coyote** » Fri May 26, 2017 12:30 pm

one thing people miss when they say Dyche has only limited success,and that bigger clubs would not touch him is the money aspect.
Put Conte in charge of Burnley FC and see if he could do a better job, I bloody doubt it.
It takes something pretty special to maintain a team in this league on very limited resources.
I can't think of anything comparable in the whole division.
Nobody will give a hoot about our final position in the league, they are not looking at league places when they want to appoint someone, they are clued up enough to see the bigger picture. Dyche could quite easily succeed elsewhere.

beddie · Post by **beddie** » Fri May 26, 2017 12:43 pm

My only concern would be if he wants to be closer to his family, as I understand it is wife and children still live in the family home down Northampton way.(not sure exactly where but in that region).

HatfieldClaret · Post by **HatfieldClaret** » Fri May 26, 2017 2:17 pm

beddie wrote:My only concern would be if he wants to be closer to his family, as I understand it is wife and children still live in the family home down Northampton way.(not sure exactly where but in that region).

It's nowhere near Croydon!

Quicknick · Post by **Quicknick** » Fri May 26, 2017 4:34 pm

And Selhurst Park is much more difficult to reach on a daily basis. He won't be going to Palace.

claretdj · Post by **claretdj** » Fri May 26, 2017 9:52 pm

http://readcrystalpalace.com/2017/05/26 ... ean-dyche/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; Gathering pace now boys?

ClaretAndJew · Post by **ClaretAndJew** » Fri May 26, 2017 9:53 pm

7 figure compensation apparently. We'll have to see how it all goes.

Spijed · Post by **Spijed** » Fri May 26, 2017 9:58 pm

So......

Spijed · Post by **Spijed** » Fri May 26, 2017 10:05 pm

You'd think if he does show any interest the board would want to get it sorted sooner rather than later.

john'sroseyspecs · Post by **john'sroseyspecs** » Fri May 26, 2017 10:07 pm

Saw an article on bbc sport about the ' end of the gaffer' or something like that. Was talking about how football managers are now more like hired consultants rather than having control over the team, transfers, facilities and the development of the club overall. Like Fergie and Wenger. I think Dyche has this at Burnley but can't see him having anything like it at any other club

simonclaret · Post by **simonclaret** » Fri May 26, 2017 10:18 pm

Gathering pace? The guardian article doesn't mention him til the last paragraph, 'believed to be receptive to a new challenge'. Hardly a dead cert.

Firthy · Post by **Firthy** » Fri May 26, 2017 10:38 pm

claretdj wrote:http://readcrystalpalace.com/2017/05/26 ... ean-dyche/ Gathering pace now boys?

Height of arrogance only beaten by the bullshit

Burnleyareback2 · Post by **Burnleyareback2** » Fri May 26, 2017 10:53 pm

My suspicion is that SD is here to build something special over the long term, stage by stage, I sincerely hope I'm right.

I also hope he doesn't read the comments of our adolescent premier league fans on this board.

cricketfieldclarets · Post by **cricketfieldclarets** » Fri May 26, 2017 11:05 pm

I can't see it but wouldn't be surprised if he was tempted.

I would more expect him to be of interest to and interested in West Ham if Billic was to go.

Cubanclaret · Post by **Cubanclaret** » Sat May 27, 2017 9:06 am

Odds now half what they were a couple of days ago. Silva 1/10 for the Watford job. That's a shame too.

bob-the-scutter · Post by **bob-the-scutter** » Sat May 27, 2017 10:16 am

Socrates wrote:Southampton played Inter Milan in the Europa League a little over six months ago and Palace were in last year's FA Cup Final.

C'mon man. Take the Claret-Tinted specs off.

Pie eaters anyone?

ClaretAndJew · Post by **ClaretAndJew** » Sat May 27, 2017 2:04 pm

7/2 now

kentonclaret · Post by **kentonclaret** » Sat May 27, 2017 3:32 pm

Shortening all afternoon 2/1 with Bet Victor and 5/2 with Sky Sports.

Top Claret · Post by **Top Claret** » Sat May 27, 2017 3:33 pm

If Dyche left us and went to another EPL club he would have to change his style of play. I can't see many other clubs supporters putting up with the style and standard of football we watch week in, week out.
Don't get me wrong Dyche has done a brilliant job for us, but I doubt he would win many fans elsewhere at an established EPL club

Blackrod · Post by **Blackrod** » Sat May 27, 2017 3:41 pm

He has the most secure job on the PL. Lise six on the spin at Palace and be near the bottom he would have fans on his back and his job on the line. The sack with compo would follow but his stick would be lower. Think there's more for him to do here then go to a much bigger club.

SkiptonClaret · Post by **SkiptonClaret** » Sat May 27, 2017 3:59 pm

Top Claret wrote:If Dyche left us and went to another EPL club he would have to change his style of play. I can't see many other clubs supporters putting up with the style and standard of football we watch week in, week out.
Don't get me wrong Dyche has done a brilliant job for us, but I doubt he would win many fans elsewhere at an established EPL club

I think this is what alot just don't appear to be able to grasp. There's not a single club in the PL who's fans would be happy with his appointment, there really isn't.

Dodobdobodobo · Post by **Dodobdobodobo** » Sat May 27, 2017 4:11 pm

Top Claret wrote:If Dyche left us and went to another EPL club he would have to change his style of play. I can't see many other clubs supporters putting up with the style and standard of football we watch week in, week out.
Don't get me wrong Dyche has done a brilliant job for us, but I doubt he would win many fans elsewhere at an established EPL club

I am sure if Sean had players at his disposal like Saha, Townsend, Benteke, Sako, Puncheon & Cabaya he would play a completely different style!
I think he might just take this, hopefully not!!

Dodobdobodobo · Post by **Dodobdobodobo** » Sat May 27, 2017 4:12 pm

Top Claret wrote:If Dyche left us and went to another EPL club he would have to change his style of play. I can't see many other clubs supporters putting up with the style and standard of football we watch week in, week out.
Don't get me wrong Dyche has done a brilliant job for us, but I doubt he would win many fans elsewhere at an established EPL club

I am sure if Sean had players at his disposal like Saha, Townsend, Benteke, Sako, Puncheon & Cabaya he would play a completely different style!
I think he might just take this, hopefully not!!

Duffer_ · Post by **Duffer_** » Sat May 27, 2017 4:27 pm

Just gone out to 5s (from 3s) on Paddy Power.

UTC!

Holmeclaret · Post by **Holmeclaret** » Sat May 27, 2017 4:29 pm

Blackrod wrote:He has the most secure job on the PL. Lise six on the spin at Palace and be near the bottom he would have fans on his back and his job on the line. The sack with compo would follow but his stick would be lower. Think there's more for him to do here then go to a much bigger club.

Why did he bother to point out recently that his job at Burnley is not necessarily safe unless it's a message to others that he's under no illusions as to the challenges and that job security is not his top priority? It's a very odd article given that his future is 100% secure at Burnley.
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