Dyche ------->Palace

Vegas Claret · Post by **Vegas Claret** » Mon Jun 19, 2017 5:40 pm

I hope our board have a short list just in case !

minnieclaret · Post by **minnieclaret** » Mon Jun 19, 2017 5:56 pm

Steve1956 wrote:Was you thinking in terms of Waddle & Roeder Minnie?

I wasn't thinking just Clarets but we've also had Jimmy Adamson and Joe Brown, Martin Buchan and Tommy Cavanagh and John Bond and John Benson. All were mistakes.
On a positive note replacing Fat Sam with agent Kean worked well down the road, as did appointing Brian Kidd because he was a good assistant to Fergie.

DCWat · Post by **DCWat** » Mon Jun 19, 2017 5:57 pm

Vegas Claret wrote:I hope our board have a short list just in case !

We should always have a shortlist. Manager jobs change far too frequently, and often out of the blue. It would be naive at best not to have a list that is constantly refined and reviewed.

ClaretTony · Post by **ClaretTony** » Mon Jun 19, 2017 6:03 pm

DCWat wrote:We should always have a shortlist. Manager jobs change far too frequently, and often out of the blue. It would be naive at best not to have a list that is constantly refined and reviewed.

I was in a meeting at the club around a week after Sean Dyche had been confirmed as manager. Lee Hoos was talking about some of the others who had been interviewed and how he was particularly impressed with one. He said: "You always have to be looking for your next manager."

Vegas Claret · Post by **Vegas Claret** » Mon Jun 19, 2017 6:52 pm

Do you have a gut feeling on this Tony ?

box_of_frogs · Post by **box_of_frogs** » Mon Jun 19, 2017 6:58 pm

Palace will offer mega bucks. He'll go. Life moves on.

kentonclaret · Post by **kentonclaret** » Mon Jun 19, 2017 7:33 pm

The next manager that Lee Hoos appointed was Ian Holloway wasn't it?

ClaretTony · Post by **ClaretTony** » Mon Jun 19, 2017 7:35 pm

Vegas Claret wrote:Do you have a gut feeling on this Tony ?

It's not going away. I initially didn't there was anything in it but the longer it goes on the more concerned I am.

ClaretTony · Post by **ClaretTony** » Mon Jun 19, 2017 7:35 pm

kentonclaret wrote:The next manager that Lee Hoos appointed was Ian Holloway wasn't it?

Think he appointed Jimmy Floyd Hasselbaink too.

Juan Tanamera · Post by **Juan Tanamera** » Mon Jun 19, 2017 7:38 pm

minnieclaret wrote:I wasn't thinking just Clarets but we've also had Jimmy Adamson and Joe Brown, Martin Buchan and Tommy Cavanagh and John Bond and John Benson. All were mistakes.
On a positive note replacing Fat Sam with agent Kean worked well down the road, as did appointing Brian Kidd because he was a good assistant to Fergie.

Jimmy Adamson was a mistake?
I'll wager there are one or two on here will tell you that we witnessed some of tbe best football in our time supporting the Clarets when Jimmy Adamson was manager.

scouseclaret · Post by **scouseclaret** » Mon Jun 19, 2017 7:39 pm

box_of_frogs wrote:Palace will offer mega bucks. He'll go. Life moves on.

There are many reasons why Dyche will eventually leave but we should ensure that money is not one of them.

minnieclaret · Post by **minnieclaret** » Mon Jun 19, 2017 7:42 pm

Juan Tanamera wrote:Jimmy Adamson was a mistake?
I'll wager there are one or two on here will tell you that we witnessed some of tbe best football in our time supporting the Clarets when Jimmy Adamson was manager.

you haven't read the full text. it was the replacing of the boss by his deputy that was the mistake. i loved Jimmys team.

Juan Tanamera · Post by **Juan Tanamera** » Mon Jun 19, 2017 7:47 pm

To be fair, Jimmy's was the first name on your list of mistakes.

ClaretTony · Post by **ClaretTony** » Mon Jun 19, 2017 7:49 pm

minnieclaret wrote:you haven't read the full text. it was the replacing of the boss by his deputy that was the mistake. i loved Jimmys team.

I'd misread your post too. I'd certainly agree with Benson and Cavanagh, in my view our two worst managers ever. Not sure what Joe Brown could have done though given he had to do what Lord told him to do. He was stopped from using some players.

northeastclaret · Post by **northeastclaret** » Mon Jun 19, 2017 7:55 pm

This protracted uncertainty is certainly not good for the club and doesn't look promising with it dragging on.

I became aware several weeks ago from a player my family knows well that he thought Dyche might be leaving us this summer.

If that belief is correct then you would expect other players and others in the club are also aware of this possibility.

Even if he doesn't leave this uncertainty can only be damaging to the club as we approach pre-season training.

minnieclaret · Post by **minnieclaret** » Mon Jun 19, 2017 7:56 pm

ClaretTony wrote:I'd misread your post too. I'd certainly agree with Benson and Cavanagh, in my view our two worst managers ever. Not sure what Joe Brown could have done though given he had to do what Lord told him to do. He was stopped from using some players.

fair point.

Vegas Claret · Post by **Vegas Claret** » Mon Jun 19, 2017 8:17 pm

ClaretTony wrote:It's not going away. I initially didn't there was anything in it but the longer it goes on the more concerned I am.

I thought that might be the case

Woodleyclaret · Post by **Woodleyclaret** » Mon Jun 19, 2017 8:20 pm

Why is our chairman not sorting out Sean's contract .This surely should have been sorted after our safety was confirmed.
I don't think Sean would leave for Palace but jobs come up that may tempt him in future and we need to offer him a 5yr deal as a reward for all he has achieved.

dermotdermot · Post by **dermotdermot** » Mon Jun 19, 2017 8:23 pm

ClaretTony wrote:It's not going away. I initially didn't there was anything in it but the longer it goes on the more concerned I am.

If it's any consolation he has slipped to third favourite behind Pellegrino and De Boer.

Andym26 · Post by **Andym26** » Mon Jun 19, 2017 8:28 pm

Think dyche will leave. They have supposedly talked to both de boer and pelligrino and neither have been offered the job so must be doubts. If they approach us, can't see dyche saying no

Belgianclaret · Post by **Belgianclaret** » Mon Jun 19, 2017 8:31 pm

Just look at it from his perspective: is there any better time to leave a club than after four terrific seasons, two promotions against all odds and PL survival (also against all odds)?

DCWat · Post by **DCWat** » Mon Jun 19, 2017 8:33 pm

I'm amazed that Palace are suddenly seen as some huge step up. We are pretty similar clubs, with similar potential barring perhaps a bit of bigger spending power at Palace.

dsr · Post by **dsr** » Mon Jun 19, 2017 8:44 pm

Woodleyclaret wrote:Why is our chairman not sorting out Sean's contract .This surely should have been sorted after our safety was confirmed.
I don't think Sean would leave for Palace but jobs come up that may tempt him in future and we need to offer him a 5yr deal as a reward for all he has achieved.

Where's your evidence that he hasn't offered a five year deal? You sound pretty sure that he hasn't.

Vegas Claret · Post by **Vegas Claret** » Mon Jun 19, 2017 8:47 pm

DCWat wrote:I'm amazed that Palace are suddenly seen as some huge step up. We are pretty similar clubs, with similar potential barring perhaps a bit of bigger spending power at Palace.

I don't think many see the club as a step up, Dyche's wages would probably quadruple though !

Andym26 · Post by **Andym26** » Mon Jun 19, 2017 8:51 pm

Dyche wouldn't get a job at a top 7/8 club right now. That leaves around 10 clubs in the prem he could move too next. Reckon palace are one of the more attractive options. Some good players and a good owner. He might not want to leave yet but it must feel a tempter.

SkiptonClaret · Post by **SkiptonClaret** » Mon Jun 19, 2017 8:59 pm

Andym26 wrote:Dyche wouldn't get a job at a top 7/8 club right now. That leaves around 10 clubs in the prem he could move too next. Reckon palace are one of the more attractive options. Some good players and a good owner. He might not want to leave yet but it must feel a tempter.

There's simply not 10 clubs in the PL that would employ SD, there really isn't.

Andym26 · Post by **Andym26** » Mon Jun 19, 2017 9:08 pm

Not saying that they would go for dyche but in terms of who dyche would target as his next club there would be 10 ish. Teams would tend to go foreign anyhow. Bournemouth unlikely to get rid of Howe. Just reckon palace over your stokes/wba/West Ham is a more attractive proposition at this moment in time.

ClaretTony · Post by **ClaretTony** » Mon Jun 19, 2017 9:17 pm

Woodleyclaret wrote:Why is our chairman not sorting out Sean's contract .This surely should have been sorted after our safety was confirmed.
I don't think Sean would leave for Palace but jobs come up that may tempt him in future and we need to offer him a 5yr deal as a reward for all he has achieved.

You can lead a horse to water but you can't make it drink. You have to be pretty naive to think we haven't tried to get him to sign a long term deal.

dermotdermot · Post by **dermotdermot** » Mon Jun 19, 2017 9:18 pm

dermotdermot wrote:If it's any consolation he has slipped to third favourite behind Pellegrino and De Boer.

Just gone back to favourite again. Oh dear.

Braindead · Post by **Braindead** » Mon Jun 19, 2017 9:23 pm

I am pretty sure Dyche has a caveat in his contract that means he is on a rolling deal that gives him the opportunity to talk to clubs if he wants to.
Who can blame him, he is ambitious and made no attempts to hide this fact and he is in an excellent position, negotiation wise at Burnley given his past heroics here.

dermotdermot · Post by **dermotdermot** » Mon Jun 19, 2017 9:25 pm

dermotdermot wrote:Just gone back to favourite again. Oh dear.

Mind you, it's no wonder given the amount of negative posts that have been written on this last page.

Lancasterclaret · Post by **Lancasterclaret** » Mon Jun 19, 2017 9:33 pm

Realistically, his stock is as high as its ever been and all he can linked with is Crystal Palace.

I think he's looking at, probably as he's ok for money as a chance that he won't get with us.

Its risky for him of course, but if he wants to manage at the highest level then he can't really stay with us forever.

Reecey1987 · Post by **Reecey1987** » Mon Jun 19, 2017 9:39 pm

ClaretTony wrote:You can lead a horse to water but you can't make it drink. You have to be pretty naive to think we haven't tried to get him to sign a long term deal.

If that turns out to be true . I really hope we have a shortlist already drawn up . This has been going on for weeks now and the way its going its looking like it can effect our transfer dealings . I wouldnt want to sign for a club if the manager is leaving

ClaretTony · Post by **ClaretTony** » Mon Jun 19, 2017 9:41 pm

Braindead wrote:I am pretty sure Dyche has a caveat in his contract that means he is on a rolling deal that gives him the opportunity to talk to clubs if he wants to.
Who can blame him, he is ambitious and made no attempts to hide this fact and he is in an excellent position, negotiation wise at Burnley given his past heroics here.

I think his first contract was to end of 2014/15 season but from what I heard he's been reluctant to commit beyond a year since.

Stan Tastic · Post by **Stan Tastic** » Mon Jun 19, 2017 9:48 pm

ClaretTony wrote:I think his first contract was to end of 2024/15 season but from what I heard he's been reluctant to commit beyond a year since.

No panic then, he's still got seven years to go.

SalisburyClaret · Post by **SalisburyClaret** » Mon Jun 19, 2017 9:49 pm

Palace - say it doesn't work out so he's gone by Xmas. Picks up the Huddersfirld job as they struggle but doesn't keep them up so they get rid at the end of the season.

He's looking for a job at Championship level then - not really gained anything other than a few quid

Or stay here and realise this one of the only opportunities available in the PL to build a whole club the way he wants to

He's not Owen Coyle

Bin Ont Turf · Post by **Bin Ont Turf** » Mon Jun 19, 2017 9:51 pm

Dyche is just waiting until this thread of virtual nothingness reaches a 1,000 posts, then he'll retire to Northamptonshire where he'll own a smallholding with chickens, a couple of pigs and Ashley Barnes.

joey13 · Post by **joey13** » Mon Jun 19, 2017 9:51 pm

SalisburyClaret wrote:Palace - say it doesn't work out so he's gone by Xmas. Picks up the Huddersfirld job as they struggle but doesn't keep them up so they get rid at the end of the season.

He's looking for a job at Championship level then - not really gained anything other than a few quid

Or stay here and realise this one of the only opportunities available in the PL to build a whole club the way he wants to

He's not Owen Coyle

Wow , just wow

FactualFrank · Post by **FactualFrank** » Mon Jun 19, 2017 9:53 pm

SalisburyClaret wrote:Palace - say it doesn't work out so he's gone by Xmas. Picks up the Huddersfirld job as they struggle but doesn't keep them up so they get rid at the end of the season.

He's looking for a job at Championship level then - not really gained anything other than a few quid

Or stay here and realise this one of the only opportunities available in the PL to build a whole club the way he wants to

He's not Owen Coyle

There aren't many/any players or managers who don't rank money as their main motivation. Dyche will be no different. If Palace offer more, he'll be off. That's my thoughts on this.

ClaretTony · Post by **ClaretTony** » Mon Jun 19, 2017 9:53 pm

Stan Tastic wrote:No panic then, he's still got seven years to go.

Bloody typos - I've corrected it.

South West Claret. · Post by **South West Claret.** » Mon Jun 19, 2017 10:06 pm

As I said 14 pages ago....

South West Claret. wrote:Ask yourself this if you were Sean Dyche and had had the experience that he did at Watford with Foreign owners.. would you really really give it more then 5 seconds to think about?

It's the summer now, and before we know it the shortest day so time to take up a new outdoor hobby then come back refreshed for the new season.

Of just one last thing...he ain't going to screaming alice honestly

IanMcL · Post by **IanMcL** » Mon Jun 19, 2017 10:11 pm

Sean Dyche 'interested in Crystal Palace job'
Sean Dyche watches on during the Premier League game between Bournemouth and Burnley on May 13, 2017© SilverHub
By Matt Law, European Football Editor
Filed: Monday, June 19, 2017 at 16:26 UK
Last Updated: Monday, June 19, 2017 at 19:18 UK
Burnley boss Sean Dyche is reportedly interested in holding talks with Crystal Palace over their managerial vacancy.

Palace have not yet appointed a replacement for Sam Allardyce, who took the surprising decision to stand down from his role at Selhurst Park despite keeping the club in the Premier League last season.

Mauricio Pellegrino and Frank de Boer have both been linked with the position, but according to the London Evening Standard, Dyche is also in the running, and the Burnley manager is interested in holding talks over the role.

Dyche has been at Burnley for four and a half years, which makes him the seventh longest-serving manager in England. He led Burnley to Premier League survival last season, and it is understood that the 45-year-old is now ready to move on.

It has been suggested that Palace would have to pay £1m in order to free Dyche from his Burnley contract.

jedi_master · Post by **jedi_master** » Mon Jun 19, 2017 10:14 pm

I posted here two weeks ago or so now that I had been informed by what I consider a very good source that he would definitely be going, IF Palace offered him the job.

I was led to believe movements had already been made however, which flies in the face of them allegedly not yet having spoken to him.

joey13 · Post by **joey13** » Mon Jun 19, 2017 10:16 pm

Odds of 5/2 shows they know nothing

Nonayforever · Post by **Nonayforever** » Mon Jun 19, 2017 10:23 pm

If he is on yearly contracts, then presumably the last one ends June ( now ) and the next starts July.

If that's the case he may well be angling for more money and using Palace as bait.

LlandennyClaret · Post by **LlandennyClaret** » Mon Jun 19, 2017 10:32 pm

I may be an old cynic here..but part of me thinks this is a game played by Palace to cause maximum disruption to our pre-season. Signings on hold (presumably), pre-season about to start, limited time to find a replacement manager. If Palace wanted Dyche from day one why wait until such a late stage? Have a really bad feeling on this.
Plus..unless I'm wrong... we've had no pre-season interviews or quotes from Dyche on how things are progressing. Just rehashes of old statements.

nil_desperandum · Post by **nil_desperandum** » Mon Jun 19, 2017 10:36 pm

South West Claret. wrote:
It's the summer now, and before we know it the shortest day so time to take up a new outdoor hobby then come back refreshed for the new season.

December seems a long way off to me

iluva64 · Post by **iluva64** » Mon Jun 19, 2017 10:41 pm

Can I put another spin on this.....

Why didn't BFS stay at CP. By all accounts the money was there and available for new players, so why did he walk.

Anyone shed any light?

CnBtruntru · Post by **CnBtruntru** » Mon Jun 19, 2017 10:46 pm

iluva64 wrote:Can I put another spin on this.....

Why didn't BFS stay at CP. By all accounts the money was there and available for new players, so why did he walk.

Anyone shed any light?

Getting on and he wants family time, doubt he is short of a bob or two.

dsr · Post by **dsr** » Mon Jun 19, 2017 10:54 pm

Nonayforever wrote:If he is on yearly contracts, then presumably the last one ends June ( now ) and the next starts July.

If that's the case he may well be angling for more money and using Palace as bait.

As I understand it, it's a rolling 1-year contract, which means it runs out on 18th June 2018. Tomorrow, it'll run out on 19th June 2018. And so on.