Dyche ------->Palace

DCWat · Post by **DCWat** » Wed Jun 21, 2017 5:30 pm

ablueclaret wrote:His method has become terribly stale and at this club he will never have the belief he can change things, and the moment he does, doubts will intervene.
If he really wants to be an England manager then he needs to show that he can manage thoroughbreds,

On the contrary, if he wants to manage England or a big club, he needs to show that he can play a more offensive style that is pleasing on the eye, that also retains its defensive stability.

boyyanno · Post by **boyyanno** » Wed Jun 21, 2017 5:40 pm

Can't see how people are getting criticised for suggesting we should have had some statements from Dyche or the club. People responding along the lines of 'should they make statements about every job that comes up' really make no sense to me. This is not just a passing rumour, this has stuck, possibly being recycled up to week upon week but no one knows. The less certainty the more speculation, it's an endless cycle that continues and continues. I'm not saying an announcement will solve the issue, only Palace appointing a new manager will do that, but I do think we could show some consideration to the fans and keep them in the picture, at least to some degree.

NottsClaret · Post by **NottsClaret** » Wed Jun 21, 2017 5:45 pm

boyyanno wrote:The less certainty the more speculation, it's an endless cycle that continues and continues

Chill out and accept it. When Palace get a new manager, some will want a statement about Southampton. When they get one, some will demand a statement about whatever the next one is.

We've got a good manager, he's going to be linked with other jobs pretty much all the time. Maybe the club should pin a holding statement to the website saying he's under contract to us, enjoying his job and might leave one day if a much better one comes up. But we sort of know that, don't we?

ablueclaret · Post by **ablueclaret** » Wed Jun 21, 2017 5:51 pm

It's the fact he's said nothing.
For instance he might have come out and said, just getting on with the job in hand.
He's not wanting to be seen like OC but he'll have to make a statement in the next few days.

Wile E Coyote · Post by **Wile E Coyote** » Wed Jun 21, 2017 5:55 pm

boyyanno wrote:Can't see how people are getting criticised for suggesting we should have had some statements from Dyche or the club. People responding along the lines of 'should they make statements about every job that comes up' really make no sense to me. This is not just a passing rumour, this has stuck, possibly being recycled up to week upon week but no one knows. The less certainty the more speculation, it's an endless cycle that continues and continues. I'm not saying an announcement will solve the issue, only Palace appointing a new manager will do that, but I do think we could show some consideration to the fans and keep them in the picture, at least to some degree.

spot on, this isn't comparable to some 1/2 baked rumour about us signing Ronaldo, we are almost into July with a strong suggestion in the national press that we could possibly lose our manager. How on earth those that dismiss the rumour as a mere irrelevance is beyond me. True, we can't do much about it, but the club know fine well some fans are concerned. If it was speculation and paper talk great, but this should be addressed by the club. Im not one of those fans that just wants them to feed us scraps when it suits them. Not particularly fond of the idea the manager has possibly entered into discussions with a rival club either.

boyyanno · Post by **boyyanno** » Wed Jun 21, 2017 6:05 pm

NottsClaret wrote:Chill out and accept it. When Palace get a new manager, some will want a statement about Southampton. When they get one, some will demand a statement about whatever the next one is.

We've got a good manager, he's going to be linked with other jobs pretty much all the time. Maybe the club should pin a holding statement to the website saying he's under contract to us, enjoying his job and might leave one day if a much better one comes up. But we sort of know that, don't we?

I'm sorry NottsClaret, but in which part of my post does it suggest I'm not chilled out? Or did you not read half of it? As I've stated in my post you people keep coming up with the same generic reply about the club not making statements on every job. Out of interest, how many jobs has Dyche been linked with to this extent? I'd hazard a guess in his whole time here it's no more than 3 or 4 maximum, and you are trying to push the "we can't do a statement for each and every one" argument. You really don't think a multi million pound business can release a statement to its customers a couple of times a year to update them in uncertain times?

ablueclaret · Post by **ablueclaret** » Wed Jun 21, 2017 6:08 pm

7 weeks until the start of the season.
How many weeks to get a new manager?

Of course there is reason to be concerned that the. situation is quickly resolved.

This was said to be the most important period for signing on players in our history, if SD goes it will become like BL's a cocophany of chaos.
By next weekend everything about this season needs to be known, and most certainly who are manager is to be.
My bet is that SD will still be here, but as to whether his heart will still be in the job?

Heat on number 1 · Post by **Heat on number 1** » Wed Jun 21, 2017 6:18 pm

Why would he want to go to palace anyway don't think he'll get as much money for players as he will with us, with ever way it goes it does need to be done soon cos our board do drag their feet

Heat on number 1 · Post by **Heat on number 1** » Wed Jun 21, 2017 6:19 pm

Why would he want to go to palace anyway don't think he'll get as much money for players as he will with us, with ever way it goes it does need to be done soon cos our board do drag their feet

claretlegend · Post by **claretlegend** » Wed Jun 21, 2017 6:27 pm

Some journo for the Independant reckons its between Pellegrino and De Boer for both Palace and Saints jobs. Pellegrino prefers Southampton apparently but says Palace would then settle for De Boer. Not even a mention of Dyche.

Heat on number 1 · Post by **Heat on number 1** » Wed Jun 21, 2017 6:28 pm

I won't say it again ha ha don't know what happened

minnieclaret · Post by **minnieclaret** » Wed Jun 21, 2017 6:40 pm

boyyanno wrote:Out of interest, how many jobs has Dyche been linked with to this extent? I'd hazard a guess in his whole time here it's no more than 3 or 4 maximum, and you are trying to push the "we can't do a statement for each and every one" argument.

To what extent? a few bits of silliness in summer papers, desperate to fill column inches. Bookies odds that are up and down like a whores knickers.

If they put out a statement they lose. If they say they've given him permission to speak to CP it alerts clubs in both the PL & Championship that he's available, inevitably leading to his departure. If they say he's staying the speculation won't go away. It's like the dreaded vote of confidence it always ends badly.
Let the man get on with his job.

eventually it will be "the king is dead, long live the king" and whoever that is if your a true Claret you back them.

Silkyskills1 · Post by **Silkyskills1** » Wed Jun 21, 2017 6:41 pm

[quote="ablueclaret"]7 weeks until the start of the season.

This was said to be the most important period for signing on players in our history, if SD goes it will become like BL's a cocophany of chaos/quote]

Interesting use of alliteration but surely not gramatically correct. Makes a change from mixed metaphors though.

DCWat · Post by **DCWat** » Wed Jun 21, 2017 6:44 pm

ablueclaret wrote:7 weeks until the start of the season.
How many weeks to get a new manager?

Of course there is reason to be concerned that the. situation is quickly resolved.

This was said to be the most important period for signing on players in our history, if SD goes it will become like BL's a cocophany of chaos.
By next weekend everything about this season needs to be known, and most certainly who are manager is to be.
My bet is that SD will still be here, but as to whether his heart will still be in the job?

Who said this was "the most important period for signing players in our history"? How will everything about this season be known by next weekend, whatever happens with Dyche? Lastly, why might his heart not be in the job, has he done one thing to suggest otherwise, to date?

ClaretTony · Post by **ClaretTony** » Wed Jun 21, 2017 6:44 pm

boyyanno wrote:but I do think we could show some consideration to the fans and keep them in the picture, at least to some degree.

There is nothing to say. What on earth do you want the club to tell you? There is no picture to keep you in.

Clockwork Claret · Post by **Clockwork Claret** » Wed Jun 21, 2017 6:50 pm

Anyone thought he might be using the situation to get commitment on players.... Seems obvious to me.

Dazzler · Post by **Dazzler** » Wed Jun 21, 2017 6:52 pm

ClaretTony wrote:There is nothing to say. What on earth do you want the club to tell you? There is no picture to keep you in.

The club must surely be aware of the reported interest and the odds on Dyche being the next Palace manager and you say there is nothing for them to say??

Dazzler · Post by **Dazzler** » Wed Jun 21, 2017 6:56 pm

Dazzler wrote:The club must surely be aware of the reported interest and the odds on Dyche being the next Palace manager and you say there is nothing for them to say??

Btw not saying that they should say anything but surely they know what Dyche is thinking.

ClaretTony · Post by **ClaretTony** » Wed Jun 21, 2017 6:57 pm

Dazzler wrote:The club must surely be aware of the reported interest and the odds on Dyche being the next Palace manager and you say there is nothing for them to say??

Absolutely 100% nothing to say. Why on earth would the club start commenting on speculation? I'm bemused that anyone could seriously expect the club or manager to say anything. That changes if there is anything to actually say and there certainly isn't at this time.

Dazzler · Post by **Dazzler** » Wed Jun 21, 2017 7:00 pm

Well they could say it's all ********

ClaretTony · Post by **ClaretTony** » Wed Jun 21, 2017 7:03 pm

Dazzler wrote:Well they could say it's all ********

The day football clubs start making statements on speculation they will be making a big mistake. It just doesn't and shouldn't happen. We are pretty poor often enough in terms of communication and PR but they are certainly absolutely correct with this.

Tall Paul · Post by **Tall Paul** » Wed Jun 21, 2017 7:03 pm

Dazzler wrote:Well they could say it's all ********

All that has been reported is that Crystal Palace want to talk to SD, which is probably true. How can Burnley Football Club say that that is ******?

taio · Post by **taio** » Wed Jun 21, 2017 7:04 pm

What would you want the club to say?

Dazzler · Post by **Dazzler** » Wed Jun 21, 2017 7:05 pm

Calm down guys..just playing devils advocate

bfcmik · Post by **bfcmik** » Wed Jun 21, 2017 7:08 pm

Dazzler wrote:Well they could say it's all ********

And people would believe them??????

Dyche will be here at Burnley until he decides to go, I would have thought. Whatever the board say in a statement (which I don't think they should make at all) it would only be the truth in the instant it is made. 5 minutes later we get a phone call asking to talk to him and offering £5million compensation if he leaves and the chairman would have to agree.

Steve1956 · Post by **Steve1956** » Wed Jun 21, 2017 7:14 pm

1225 post's in and he's still Burnley Manager,this must go down in the history of Up The Clarets as the thread with the must bullshit spouted and nobody has a clue what's going on

What will be will be the club survived for over a 100 years without Dyche,and it will last another 100 years when he's gone,whether it be next week next season.......

Wile E Coyote · Post by **Wile E Coyote** » Wed Jun 21, 2017 7:14 pm

ClaretTony wrote:There is nothing to say. What on earth do you want the club to tell you? There is no picture to keep you in.

pretty simple really, our manager is staying put, we are aware of the stories of his imminent departure, but we can categorically state he will our manager for the forseeable future. No talks have taken place between our manager and Crystal Palace football club.

that would do for starters,

Steve1956 · Post by **Steve1956** » Wed Jun 21, 2017 7:15 pm

Ablueclaret was still posting when this thread started

ClaretTony · Post by **ClaretTony** » Wed Jun 21, 2017 7:18 pm

Wile E Coyote wrote:pretty simple really, our manager is staying put, we are aware of the stories of his imminent departure, but we can categorically state he will our manager for the forseeable future. No talks have taken place between our manager and Crystal Palace football club.

that would do for starters,

Are you serious?

Vegas Claret · Post by **Vegas Claret** » Wed Jun 21, 2017 7:24 pm

Steve1956 · Post by **Steve1956** » Wed Jun 21, 2017 7:32 pm

ClaretTony wrote:Are you serious?

He's signed off

Ashingtonclaret46 · Post by **Ashingtonclaret46** » Wed Jun 21, 2017 7:32 pm

I reckon that Joey has persuaded SD and the board to put a bet on that this thread will reach 100,000 views so they are keeping it going.
Only just over 12,000 to go ---keep it up you Clarets.

ablueclaret · Post by **ablueclaret** » Wed Jun 21, 2017 7:33 pm

If by next week this situation has not been resolved we will have issues.
By this time next week we need to know whether we need a new manager.

Dazzler · Post by **Dazzler** » Wed Jun 21, 2017 7:34 pm

Wile E Coyote wrote:pretty simple really, our manager is staying put

Who told you that?

Dazzler · Post by **Dazzler** » Wed Jun 21, 2017 7:37 pm

I think the folk who are saying the club have nothing to say surely understand the frustations of the fans in this long running saga...?

Steve1956 · Post by **Steve1956** » Wed Jun 21, 2017 7:38 pm

ablueclaret wrote:If by next week this situation has not been resolved we will have issues.
By this time next week we need to know whether we need a new manager.

Oh your back sneaked back in eh,not like you went out in a blaze of glory eh?

Wile E Coyote · Post by **Wile E Coyote** » Wed Jun 21, 2017 7:39 pm

ClaretTony wrote:Are you serious?

of course I'm serious.

Dazzler · Post by **Dazzler** » Wed Jun 21, 2017 7:40 pm

ablueclaret wrote:If by next week this situation has not been resolved we will have issues.

What do you suggest..protests?

ClaretTony · Post by **ClaretTony** » Wed Jun 21, 2017 7:40 pm

Dazzler wrote:I think the folk who are saying the club have nothing to say surely understand the frustations of the fans in this long running saga...?

I'm no PR expert but I know enough to appreciate that there is absolutely nothing for the club to say. There is no long running saga. All we have is a club looking for a new manager and ours linked with the job.

Steve1956 · Post by **Steve1956** » Wed Jun 21, 2017 7:41 pm

Wile E Coyote wrote:of course I'm serious.

You went away for a tiny bit to think about it didn't you?

ablueclaret · Post by **ablueclaret** » Wed Jun 21, 2017 7:42 pm

No I suggest we get on and get another manager if SD hasn't committed by then.

claretblue · Post by **claretblue** » Wed Jun 21, 2017 7:43 pm

Croyden Advertiser today:

http://www.croydonadvertiser.co.uk/dych ... story.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

ClaretTony · Post by **ClaretTony** » Wed Jun 21, 2017 7:43 pm

ablueclaret wrote:No I suggest we get on and get another manager if SD hasn't committed by then.

And I suggest you clear off until July as you promised, preferably July 2021 at the earliest.

ClaretTony · Post by **ClaretTony** » Wed Jun 21, 2017 7:44 pm

claretblue wrote:Croyden Advertiser today:

http://www.croydonadvertiser.co.uk/dych ... story.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

They've been writing the same article on a daily basis now for a couple of weeks, just twisting it a bit each day.

Dazzler · Post by **Dazzler** » Wed Jun 21, 2017 7:45 pm

ClaretTony wrote:There is no long running saga.

4 weeks and 1250 posts on rumours and bookies odds on Dyche going to Palace is a football saga in my book.

Tall Paul · Post by **Tall Paul** » Wed Jun 21, 2017 7:47 pm

ablueclaret wrote:If by next week this situation has not been resolved we will have issues.
By this time next week we need to know whether we need a new manager.

If we have a manager this time next week, as we do now, we won't need a new one.

Steve1956 · Post by **Steve1956** » Wed Jun 21, 2017 7:48 pm

ClaretTony wrote:And I suggest you clear off until July as you promised, preferably July 2021 at the earliest.

claretlegend · Post by **claretlegend** » Wed Jun 21, 2017 7:50 pm

Independent article not mentioning Dyche as being in the running...http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/foot ... 01476.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

ClaretTony · Post by **ClaretTony** » Wed Jun 21, 2017 7:52 pm

Tall Paul wrote:If we have a manager this time next week, as we do now, we won't need a new one.

He won't like that response. It's common sense.

Steve1956 · Post by **Steve1956** » Wed Jun 21, 2017 7:53 pm

claretlegend wrote:Independent article not mentioning Dyche as being in the running...http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/foot ... 01476.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

He isn't in the running and this thread has been a waste of all our time