New Statesman article on Nelson....

[Clarets4me]

Interesting read if you have a few minutes...

http://www.newstatesman.com/politics/uk ... nd-fasters

[CleggHall]

Yes a well written little piece, party politics in Nelson is somewhat confusing to say the least, not much multiculturalism in evidence. Learie Constantine would be disappointed I guess but there is little mixing between 2 distinct cultures that town hall politics cuts across.

[dsr]

Nelson is very much a home of multiculturalism - because multiculturalism is about different peoples retaining their own cultural identity.

[CleggHall]

As the article says, Nelson is bi-racial and bi-cultural not multicultural, that is the point the author is trying to make!

[dsr]

Bi-cultural and multicultural are the same thing except that bicultural is strictly restricted to two cultures; multicultural (taken literally) means three or more. But the point of the article is that there is a lot of multiculturalism, which means that the different cultures are keeping apart, not mixing.

[john'sroseyspecs]

Thought it was a fair article (was expecting london biased bull crap) i think what we have in Nelson is a form of voluntary or mutual apartheid. Separate living areas, schools, places of worship etc. Can't see it ever changing.

[Bin Ont Turf]

The white people have retreated, either out of the town altogether or to the semis of Marsden, on the hill.

That's me that.

[bobinho]

Thought it was a fair article (was expecting london biased bull crap) i think what we have in Nelson is a form of voluntary or mutual apartheid. Separate living areas, schools, places of worship etc. Can't see it ever changing.

It'll change. Be over quite a while, but it will change. There won't be any voluntary apartheid. There won't be any need.

[Nonayforever]

The situation in Nelson and in some respects other parts of the country, is a fault of the nanny state politicians have delivered the population in order to win votes.

A simple tale that reflects this is true ;-

Over in Pakistan a donkey dies on its way to market, the donkey is left on the side of the road as there is no other solution but to just leave it where it fell.
After a few days, the donkey decomposes and eventually all that's left are a few scattered bones.
Over in England a cat, dog, sheep, whatever, dies and some person or department comes along and sorts out the situation.

The moral of the story is one of toleration.

What do we accept, what do we tolerate.

Some people think its OK to swear, insult or thieve, some are holier than thou.

Its a mixed up world.

[bfcmik]

^^^^^ WTF???? ^^^^^

[Sidney1st]

Has someone been drinking?

[Garnerssoap]

In the ribble valley someone would pin a blue rosette to said donkey and he would be duly elected

[basil6345789]

Garnerssoap - you've knicked that from Labour, haven't you?

[Wile E Coyote]

sadly this article highlights the hypocrisy of many who comment on these issues.
On the one hand, anyone who criticises immigration policies or in light of this weeks atrocity, questions Muslim involvement is vilified as racist , yet the obvious fact is being missed. The character of a traditional northern town has dramatically altered and nobody dares to say this is unacceptable.
Imagine tradition, imagine feeling what virtually everyone anywhere with civic pride feels about their home town.
Not one, I repeat, not one of those proponents of multiculturalism in the media, or holier than thou types on here would choose to live there, not one.
Easy to talk about diversity, and commonality, but look at the statistics in that article.
When "white flight" is referred to , what does that say about modern Britain?
Do the sons, daughters, grandchildren of that once proud town not deserve a voice? The town is a mess, and criminality is rife.
I'm sorry for stating the bleeding obvious here, but the dinner partying journalists who denegrate anyone who says this is pig ignorant racism , are wrong.
The balance has shifted immeasurably, and as the people interviewed said, it is not beneficial whatsoever. There is no integration.
The Guardian reading residents of Bath, would they settle for a transition to their town on this scale ?No they would not, so don't be led astray by the imbecilic and out of touch ponces.
I want all decent people from whatever background to thrive, but we are continually burying our heads in the sand here.
Nelson and other nearby areas have been largely ignored, I defy anyone to present an alternate positive spin on the situation. If we are so polarised, what chance is there for anything approaching accord in the future.

[Falcon]

The problem with the truth is that everyone's got their own version

[BleedingClaret]

The problem with the truth is that everyone's got their own version

I agree and I believe it is true that we are commuting just as great an atrocity in foreign lands, certainly the yanks are and we are guilty by assosciation.
It's true that 2 wrongs don't make a right.

[brexit]

The Manchester bombing will not be the last Islamist atrocity in this country, to say nothing of the rest of the world. The struggle against the warped ideology which sustains extremism will likely consume generations of effort. There are, therefore, no easy answers. At the very least we offer our thoughts and solidarity to the victims and their families, and those who woke up in hospitals on Tuesday morning with life-altering injuries or to the news that their children or parents were dead.
Many have said that the attack, and the decision to target young children, was 'incomprehensible'. But it was not. There is no excuse for thinking that. Anybody who has been paying attention to Islamic extremism should know exactly why they do this. They are motivated by the worst possible interpretation of Islam, but it is Islamic.
We are not afraid of naming and confronting Islamist ideology, and we have no sympathy for those who obfuscate or deny the roots of jihadist terror. Our allies in this are many, and they include Muslim reformers and secularists. But there can be no denying the scale of the challenge. Terrorism is far from being the only problem Islamist ideology poses to our way of life and our values. Surveys of Muslim opinion both around the world, and here at home, bring disturbing results, on everything from women's rights to suicide bombing. It is this entire spectrum of belief and behaviour that the secularist movement must confront.

NSS News letter
http://www.secularism.org.uk/newsletter ... -2017.html

[Wile E Coyote]

so because a democratically elected governments foreign policy upsets some of the general population, that is enough to make us all stop and think about changing our ways in case acts of terror are carried out within our own borders by our own citizens. nonsense. that is the definition of giving in .