Incident in London

burnmark · Post by **burnmark** » Sat Jun 03, 2017 10:32 pm

Reports of another car deliberately running people over. London Bridge on lockdown.

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Sat Jun 03, 2017 10:33 pm

The Sun say some people have been stabbed, and gun shots heard.

burnmark · Post by **burnmark** » Sat Jun 03, 2017 10:33 pm

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Rick_Muller · Post by **Rick_Muller** » Sat Jun 03, 2017 10:43 pm

Twitter reports of van driving into pedestrians and gun shots and a stabbing. Worrying times, I hope no one has lost their life, but I fear the worst.

cutsy123 · Post by **cutsy123** » Sat Jun 03, 2017 10:45 pm

20 people apparantly

ClaretMoffitt · Post by **ClaretMoffitt** » Sat Jun 03, 2017 10:50 pm

I'm saying nothing...

claretandy · Post by **claretandy** » Sat Jun 03, 2017 10:52 pm

Allah akbar ?

Lancasterclaret · Post by **Lancasterclaret** » Sat Jun 03, 2017 10:55 pm

Oh good, another couple of weeks of right wing nutjobs telling us that they need to cancel all our civil liberties to maintain our civil liberties.

Can't wait.

Going to happen a few more times I fear, you just can't stop people with cars and knives as it takes zero preparation and zero skills.

cricketfieldclarets · Post by **cricketfieldclarets** » Sat Jun 03, 2017 11:01 pm

FFS! ******* ****. Whoever they are. Islamists. Pscyhopaths. Right wing. Whoever they are absolute ****.

Down there next week. Its a disgrace.

Expected next incident to be soon but was expecting a city that hadnt been hit yet.

ClaretMoffitt · Post by **ClaretMoffitt** » Sat Jun 03, 2017 11:03 pm

Lancasterclaret wrote:Oh good, another couple of weeks of right wing nutjobs telling us that they need to cancel all our civil liberties to maintain our civil liberties.

Can't wait.

Going to happen a few more times I fear, you just can't stop people with cars and knives as it takes zero preparation and zero skills.

The pesky right wingers are my biggest concern too in times like this.

ksrclaret · Post by **ksrclaret** » Sat Jun 03, 2017 11:04 pm

No end in sight unfortunately, I feel desperately for anyone injured or worse.

I too am due in London in a couple of weeks. My plans certainly won't be changing.

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Sat Jun 03, 2017 11:05 pm

ClaretMoffitt wrote:The pesky right wingers are my biggest concern too in times like this.

Islamists are pretty far to the right, it's why we say you and them are made for each other.

One thing's for sure, this probably wasn't a liberal.

Murger · Post by **Murger** » Sat Jun 03, 2017 11:08 pm

Lancasterclaret wrote:Oh good, another couple of weeks of right wing nutjobs telling us that they need to cancel all our civil liberties to maintain our civil liberties.

Can't wait.

Going to happen a few more times I fear, you just can't stop people with cars and knives as it takes zero preparation and zero skills.

Such an inconvenience innit.

Lancasterclaret · Post by **Lancasterclaret** » Sat Jun 03, 2017 11:10 pm

You want me to be honest CM?

Ok, I will be.

This isn't going to go away, as long as people think that the only solution to this kind of thing is something that actively discriminates against certain groups of people.

So yeah, the more right wingers that get power, the worse this will get.

If you can't see that, then fine, but just pick up a history book and read about it. Its all there.

QUICK EDIT

Don't think it makes any difference now who gets in to be honest in the short term, this is here for a while, but we can change it. If we want to.

RingoMcCartney · Post by **RingoMcCartney** » Sat Jun 03, 2017 11:10 pm

Lancasterclaret wrote:Oh good, another couple of weeks of right wing nutjobs telling us that they need to cancel all our civil liberties to maintain our civil liberties.

Can't wait.

Going to happen a few more times I fear, you just can't stop people with cars and knives as it takes zero preparation and zero skills.

"Gonna happen a few more times I fear"

Till the likes of you open your eyes and ***** wake up

http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/812 ... n-Carlo-Tu" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Diesel · Post by **Diesel** » Sat Jun 03, 2017 11:10 pm

Right: Everyone with brown skin, OUT!

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Sat Jun 03, 2017 11:11 pm

RingoMcCartney wrote:"Gonna happen a few more times I fear"

Till the likes of you open your eyes and ***** wake up

http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/812 ... n-Carlo-Tu" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Our eyes are wide open, that's why we're so worried about going down the path you want us to - we can see further than you.

Sidney1st · Post by **Sidney1st** » Sat Jun 03, 2017 11:13 pm

Does anyone know if the gunfire, stabbing and van hitting people were all the same incident?

It is London after all and stabbings are common enough.

Oh and at this rate I won't be taking my kids to London this summer for various football events.

Lancasterclaret · Post by **Lancasterclaret** » Sat Jun 03, 2017 11:15 pm

Cheers Ringo

You think something that actively discriminates (or worse) will sort this out.

Same answer to you

Read a book on history. It doesn't work. ever.

RingoMcCartney · Post by **RingoMcCartney** » Sat Jun 03, 2017 11:16 pm

Diesel wrote:Right: Everyone with brown skin, OUT!

Calm down calm down .

Could all those who've had their eyes wide shut, please wake up now.

5...4....3....2...1

You are now back in the room !

Welcome back to reality!!

Sorry to break you from your utopian multicultural slumber!

cricketfieldclarets · Post by **cricketfieldclarets** » Sat Jun 03, 2017 11:16 pm

What are the odds on another that is on 'the list'.

I don't care how much investment it costs to pump the resources into tracking, monitoring and arresting anyone suspected of being associated to terrorism it needs doing.

If they havent got the money, make money. Save money from elsewhere. Invest.

Take money from non essential initiatives.

Spike · Post by **Spike** » Sat Jun 03, 2017 11:16 pm

These people are simply criminally insane mass murderers.

The Mayor of London should either go all out to sort this out or Resign!

starting_11 · Post by **starting_11** » Sat Jun 03, 2017 11:16 pm

Lancasterclaret wrote:Cheers Ringo

You think something that actively discriminates (or worse) will sort this out.

Same answer to you

Read a book on history. It doesn't work. ever.

Poor misunderstood jihadis... Give em a hug!

South West Claret. · Post by **South West Claret.** » Sat Jun 03, 2017 11:17 pm

Diesel wrote:Right: Everyone with brown skin, OUT!

What about "with brown shirts" as well?

Lancasterclaret · Post by **Lancasterclaret** » Sat Jun 03, 2017 11:19 pm

Starting, read a book.

Find one situation where the solution that you and others seem to think will work, works.

cricketfieldclarets · Post by **cricketfieldclarets** » Sat Jun 03, 2017 11:19 pm

BBC Saying no deaths. Hopefully remains the case. Would be surprised.

And SKY News got ***** on camera making selfies!!!!

cricketfieldclarets · Post by **cricketfieldclarets** » Sat Jun 03, 2017 11:21 pm

Second incident in Borough MArket now!!!

Lancasterclaret · Post by **Lancasterclaret** » Sat Jun 03, 2017 11:21 pm

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DAVETHEVICAR · Post by **DAVETHEVICAR** » Sat Jun 03, 2017 11:24 pm

Another incident now at Borough Market

ten bellies · Post by **ten bellies** » Sat Jun 03, 2017 11:26 pm

Lancasterclaret wrote:Oh good, another couple of weeks of right wing nutjobs telling us that they need to cancel all our civil liberties to maintain our civil liberties.

Can't wait.

Going to happen a few more times I fear, you just can't stop people with cars and knives as it takes zero preparation and zero skills.

The likelihood can be reduced by internment of those on the security services radar. Wait though, the civil liberties of those who would see our version of society dead, are paramount. By the way, I'm no right wing nut job, just as you wouldn't describe yourself as a left wing nut job, I presume.

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Sat Jun 03, 2017 11:26 pm

Lancasterclaret wrote:https://twitter.com/RouserNews/status/8 ... 1927193601

I wonder what the intelligence was that was so specific that this was feared to be necessary.

Spike · Post by **Spike** » Sat Jun 03, 2017 11:29 pm

So much for Ramadan!

Lancasterclaret · Post by **Lancasterclaret** » Sat Jun 03, 2017 11:30 pm

Missing the point ten bellies.

Locking people up because you suspect they might be dangerous is very, very, very shaky ground.

Specific threat, yeah, no problem, lock them up

He doesn't like the west? Hmmm, not a reason to lock up

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Sat Jun 03, 2017 11:31 pm

ten bellies wrote:The likelihood can be reduced by internment of those on the security services radar. Wait though, the civil liberties of those who would see our version of society dead, are paramount. By the way, I'm no right wing nut job, just as you wouldn't describe yourself as a left wing nut job, I presume.

Not only is it a complete abandonment of our principles, it just wouldn't work. You start locking up people who haven't commited crimes, and you do it based on religion and opinions, then you only succeed in turning more people to radicalism. Muslims hate injustice more than anything else. What do you think will happen to the number Muslims with extreme views is we start locking up innocent Muslims simply for holding opinions we don't like?

I just won't work. The civil liberties argument is a winner for me, but even if it wasn't what you want will only make things worse.

tim_noone · Post by **tim_noone** » Sat Jun 03, 2017 11:31 pm

The west is paying a price for interfering in other peoples back yards.it won't end any time soon.

Murger · Post by **Murger** » Sat Jun 03, 2017 11:31 pm

Now is not the time to be playing politics with the police. Just give them the money they need for some more bobbies.

Rick_Muller · Post by **Rick_Muller** » Sat Jun 03, 2017 11:32 pm

cricketfieldclarets wrote:What are the odds on another that is on 'the list'.

I don't care how much investment it costs to pump the resources into tracking, monitoring and arresting anyone suspected of being associated to terrorism it needs doing.

If they havent got the money, make money. Save money from elsewhere. Invest.

Take money from non essential initiatives.

Non essential initiatives like dropping bombs on Syria?

Lancasterclaret · Post by **Lancasterclaret** » Sat Jun 03, 2017 11:33 pm

Too simplistic, but everything that everybody has said on this thread is a factor in some way.

No one is doubting that certain parts of ultra-conservative Islam are at war with the West, but what they want is what Ringo et al want to give them.

PutTheWheelieBinsOut · Post by **PutTheWheelieBinsOut** » Sat Jun 03, 2017 11:34 pm

Why are the police putting riot gear on and using shields?

cricketfieldclarets · Post by **cricketfieldclarets** » Sat Jun 03, 2017 11:34 pm

Rick_Muller wrote:Non essential initiatives like dropping bombs on Syria?

Well that would be a start!

I don't care. Spend money on recruiting. Bring the troops in if needed. Bring troops home from overseas operations. If our police can't sort it bring the armed forces in. If the armed forces can't sort it on home soil we are ****** anyway!!!!

Bin Ont Turf · Post by **Bin Ont Turf** » Sat Jun 03, 2017 11:34 pm

What about giving the Mosques a bit of the Henry VIII treatment Lancaster?

Historical jesting, it's the future.

South West Claret. · Post by **South West Claret.** » Sat Jun 03, 2017 11:34 pm

Borough market area, we used to go for a drink around there before/after we played Millwall.

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Sat Jun 03, 2017 11:35 pm

Lancasterclaret wrote:Too simplistic, but everything that everybody has said on this thread is a factor in some way.

No one is doubting that certain parts of ultra-conservative Islam are at war with the West, but what they want is what Ringo et al want to give them.

Makes me wonder if the goal of Ringo et al is actually go give them what they want, because then they get what they want too.

Lancasterclaret · Post by **Lancasterclaret** » Sat Jun 03, 2017 11:35 pm

Now is not the time to be playing politics with the police. Just give them the money they need for some more bobbies.

Quite agree. You can't keep cutting just to give more money to already really rich people.

cricketfieldclarets · Post by **cricketfieldclarets** » Sat Jun 03, 2017 11:36 pm

South West Claret. wrote:Borough market area, we used to go for a drink around there before/after we played Millwall.

Spend a lot of time in Borough Market. Great part of London.

London Bridge as well. Regular stop before Charlton.

Lancasterclaret · Post by **Lancasterclaret** » Sat Jun 03, 2017 11:37 pm

I was at a slighted abbey (Hugomond in Shropshire) yesterday as well Bin on turf.

Only took him a couple of years to destroy centuries of work, and its amazing just how much has actually survived.

Anyway, in a purely historical context, it didn't work, just drove it underground and after a couple of centuries we all got a bit more enlightened about this kind of thing.

Well, some of us did....

LongsideFacingUp · Post by **LongsideFacingUp** » Sat Jun 03, 2017 11:37 pm

Islam.

RingoMcCartney · Post by **RingoMcCartney** » Sat Jun 03, 2017 11:37 pm

Lancasterclaret wrote:Cheers Ringo

You think something that actively discriminates (or worse) will sort this out.

Same answer to you

Read a book on history. It doesn't work. ever.

I would actively discriminate between those who blow children up those who choose not to.

Generally, Lancaster claret, from which socio demographic and religious group would you start your enquiries?

Be careful what you say. You'll be accused of the following tired old accusations.

Xenophobe

Knuckle dragger

Racist

Nazi

Little Englander

Divisive

Hate monger

Reactionary

Islamaphobic

Rick_Muller · Post by **Rick_Muller** » Sat Jun 03, 2017 11:37 pm

cricketfieldclarets wrote:Well that would be a start!

I don't care. Spend money on recruiting. Bring the troops in if needed. Bring troops home from overseas operations. If our police can't sort it bring the armed forces in. If the armed forces can't sort it on home soil we are ****** anyway!!!!

Apologies for my glib response mate, I really don't mean to make light of this issue. We all want a safer more peaceful world to live in I just wish the answer was simple, but it's not.

That said, I really do wish we had a better foreign policy than we currently have.

Diesel · Post by **Diesel** » Sat Jun 03, 2017 11:38 pm

Maybe North Korea isn't so 'strange'..?