General Election 2017 Mega Thread

cutsy123 · Post by **cutsy123** » Wed Jun 07, 2017 10:32 pm

Voting for

Steve1956 · Post by **Steve1956** » Wed Jun 07, 2017 10:33 pm

Imploding Turtle

dsr · Post by **dsr** » Wed Jun 07, 2017 10:34 pm

Undecided.

Isn't there another politics thread somewhere?

jdrobbo · Post by **jdrobbo** » Wed Jun 07, 2017 10:39 pm

Jeff Hendrick v Bournemouth

tim_noone · Post by **tim_noone** » Wed Jun 07, 2017 10:39 pm

cutsy123 wrote:Voting for

Dyche to stay at burnley.. You haven't taken me up for a tenner yet!

ksrclaret · Post by **ksrclaret** » Wed Jun 07, 2017 10:43 pm

Ooh heck another political thread, maybe.

Can we give cutsy123 his own separate board please.

box_of_frogs · Post by **box_of_frogs** » Wed Jun 07, 2017 10:47 pm

Monster Raving Loony Party

starting_11 · Post by **starting_11** » Wed Jun 07, 2017 10:49 pm

Who, who?

dpinsussex · Post by **dpinsussex** » Wed Jun 07, 2017 10:50 pm

cutsy123 wrote:Voting for

Already have. You are so fortnight ago !!

john'sroseyspecs · Post by **john'sroseyspecs** » Wed Jun 07, 2017 11:11 pm

Thought it was a thread about football chants. **** ground no fans!

Wile E Coyote · Post by **Wile E Coyote** » Wed Jun 07, 2017 11:36 pm

on a slightly serious note, you'd think with the economy, jobs, NHS, Police, terrorism, all manner of social injustice, taxation, benefit eligibility, care provision , social welfare reform, crime, education, tuition fees, school meals, there would be enough there to provoke debate and anger, but no !
Pig **** british electorate will yet again display ludicrous apathy when it comes to turning out to vote.
disgusting really, millions of eligible adult voters will not venture out tomorrow.
We are fairly thick as a nation, no wonder the place is a mess.

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Thu Jun 08, 2017 2:51 am

PDF links won't be renamed.

ComRes - Weighted normally and by likelihood to vote.

Conservative - 44%
Labour - 34%

Very high turnout suggested.
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YouGov - Weighted normall and by likelihood to vote. Undecideds with high likelihood to vote allocated by their 2015 vote or something.

Conservative - 42%
Labour - 35%

Turnout figures on this one suggest an extremely high turnout for all age groups, 65+ inparticular.
https://d25d2506sfb94s.cloudfront.net/c ... 2017_W.pdf" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Survation - Weighted normally & by likelihood to vote

Conservative - 34.5%
Labour - 33.5%
Wishy-washy ***** who can't make up their ******* mind already - 10.7%
Refused (to answer) - 6.3%

The headline figures are showing both Labour and Tories with about 40% and 41% but they're not weighted by the apparent likelihood to vote and they omit undecideds and refusals. It might end up being about right but if it's not then it'll be because undecideds were largely leaning one way or another. I'd imagine the incumbents would be more likely to receive an undecided's vote but who the **** knows anything anymore?

Also noteworthy is that Survation have very high figures for each age group who intend to vote. 68% for 18-24 to over 90% for 65+. These both seem unlikely but they are at least roughly in line with turnout in the referendum. Much higher than the last GE though.
http://survation.com/wp-content/uploads ... d7l9l8.pdf" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Up The Clarets voting model - Conservative seats

Up the Clarets can project that Conservatives will win 359.357142857115 seats.
Methodology. Rolled 7 100-sided dice and multiplied the mean average by 6.5 to simulate 6.5 dice to replicate the 650 seats in commons.
Margin of error +/- eleventy seven

I'll add more polls as i can be bothered

mdd2 · Post by **mdd2** » Thu Jun 08, 2017 6:17 am

Get some sleep for tonight's wake for one side or t'other

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Thu Jun 08, 2017 6:25 am

mdd2 wrote:Get some sleep for tonight's wake for one side or t'other

I have and i will, later. I'm hopeful but pessimistic about our chances of keep the Tories from being able to further destroy our public services. But one thing i'm optimistic about is that at least one group of people will be having a meltdown and i intend to be wide awake tonight to enjoy the chaos.

LoveCurryPies · Post by **LoveCurryPies** » Thu Jun 08, 2017 7:40 am

ClaretTony. Only sane person on this forum.

South West Claret. · Post by **South West Claret.** » Thu Jun 08, 2017 7:42 am

cutsy123 wrote:Voting for

A lot in my constituency are involved in maybe one if not the major shock result of the day

MACCA · Post by **MACCA** » Thu Jun 08, 2017 7:43 am

LoveCurryPies wrote:ClaretTony. Only sane person on this forum.

Are you mad????

South West Claret. · Post by **South West Claret.** » Thu Jun 08, 2017 7:49 am

LoveCurryPies wrote:ClaretTony. Only sane person on this forum.

So you've met every other poster on here have you?

Woodleyclaret · Post by **Woodleyclaret** » Thu Jun 08, 2017 7:55 am

Sorted two weeks ago Labours winning in East Reading 2-0 unfortunately we have thousands who will vote for our do nothing Tory MP Rob Wilson

South West Claret. · Post by **South West Claret.** » Thu Jun 08, 2017 7:59 am

Woodleyclaret wrote:Sorted two weeks ago Labours winning in East Reading 2-0 unfortunately we have thousands who will vote for our do nothing Tory MP Rob Wilson

Ah that will be the "quiet Con- artist (but I'm ashamed to admit it" brigade then.

Dom · Post by **Dom** » Thu Jun 08, 2017 8:06 am

Might make sense to have one massive merged thread for the GE otherwise the board will be a pain in the arse.

Voting after work as I left the house at 6.30am. Going Labour, hopefully be enough Labour votes to keep Cons out of Heywood and Middleton. UKIP did well last GE and it was a heavy BREXIT area.

claretblue · Post by **claretblue** » Thu Jun 08, 2017 8:09 am

This thread is NOT mega yet!

Rick_Muller · Post by **Rick_Muller** » Thu Jun 08, 2017 8:11 am

In my polling station this morning it was very busy, the staff noted that it has never been as busy before when I asked them about it. Hopefully a good turnout as a lot depends upon the results of this election.

mdd2 · Post by **mdd2** » Thu Jun 08, 2017 8:13 am

Ask not what your country can do for you but what you can do for your country (JFK)

Lancasterclaret · Post by **Lancasterclaret** » Thu Jun 08, 2017 8:15 am

Lifetime Lib Dem, tactically voting for Labour in Fleetwood and Lancaster.

I don't want to vote for either, but I see Lab as at least offering a change to the current situation. And almost all the UKIP vote will go Conservative, so I have to vote against that.

cutsy123 · Post by **cutsy123** » Thu Jun 08, 2017 8:17 am

ksrclaret wrote:Ooh heck another political thread, maybe.

Can we give cutsy123 his own separate board please.

Given that people bite at any chance this topic could be about anything

I couldnt give two tosses about politics so make of this post what you will and vote for whatever u want

Haha

cutsy123 · Post by **cutsy123** » Thu Jun 08, 2017 8:17 am

tim_noone wrote:Dyche to stay at burnley.. You haven't taken me up for a tenner yet!

10 it is

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Thu Jun 08, 2017 8:19 am

FAO Tory voters everywhere

Remember to sign your ballots in case of any funny business once polls have closed. You're going to want to be able to prove which party you voted for in the event of irregularities.

Labour voters, you don't need to do this.

claretdom · Post by **claretdom** » Thu Jun 08, 2017 8:21 am

12 months on from turtles my voting choice is better than those who vote different stance is still alive and well.

South West Claret. · Post by **South West Claret.** » Thu Jun 08, 2017 8:21 am

Lancasterclaret wrote:Lifetime Lib Dem, tactically voting for Labour in Fleetwood and Lancaster.

I don't want to vote for either, but I see Lab as at least offering a change to the current situation. And almost all the UKIP vote will go Conservative, so I have to vote against that.

Well played LC.

mdd2 · Post by **mdd2** » Thu Jun 08, 2017 8:21 am

Hi Lancaster, as a LIB Dem do you think the party picked the wrong man to lead them?
Had I been a Lib Dem my vote would have gone to Norman Lamb and of course the best leader you haven't had IMO is Vince Cable IMO

mdd2 · Post by **mdd2** » Thu Jun 08, 2017 8:23 am

Imploding Turtle wrote:FAO Tory voters everywhere

Remember to sign your ballots in case of any funny business once polls have closed. You're going to want to be able to prove which party you voted for in the event of irregularities.

Labour voters, you don't need to do this.

Thanks IT but knew that already so signed in on the form with my postal vote.

DCWat · Post by **DCWat** » Thu Jun 08, 2017 8:26 am

Hardly a stellar line up on either side, which is a sorry state of affairs. Blue for me, I'm afraid.

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Thu Jun 08, 2017 8:27 am

mdd2 wrote:Hi Lancaster, as a LIB Dem do you think the party picked the wrong man to lead them?
Had I been a Lib Dem my vote would have gone to Norman Lamb and of course the best leader you haven't had IMO is Vince Cable IMO

Who ever it was was on a hiding to nothing. It's not Tim Farron's fault what has happened to them. That said if i has a choice between him and Corbyn with policies being equal i'd still choose Corbyn simply because he's a better person.

It'll be decades before the Lib Dems recover from their coalition government. Whey were building a strong voter bas from the youth up. Each election they were growing their voter base in the youngest demographics and keeping them as they got older. And then with the coalition government they completely let them down and gave them reason to think that the Lib Dems were no different to the others when it comes to making promises. Now they have to start all over again, and none of that is Farron's fault as leader.

Lancasterclaret · Post by **Lancasterclaret** » Thu Jun 08, 2017 8:29 am

No, the best leader they could have had was Nick Clegg, but he couldn't continue after the election.

Farron was the best of what was left, but they need to win some seats this time around. Of course, there is a danger that they might lose all their seats in England, which would be a disaster.

They haven't recovered from getting the blame for all coalition policies, while not getting the credit for the ones that worked.

I'm not a big believer in that the media have too much power, but I suspect that I believe a bit too much in my fellow men (and women) actually checking the stuff they read.

I don't want to vote Labour, I really don't, but last time the Lib Dems got less than 2000 votes up here. Its a wasted vote and I don't want the Conservatives to win (the leap to the right to get UKIP on side is complete no-no for me. Anything is better than that)

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Thu Jun 08, 2017 8:29 am

claretdom wrote:12 months on from turtles my voting choice is better than those who vote different stance is still alive and well.

There's an 'and it' missing from your post.

claretandy · Post by **claretandy** » Thu Jun 08, 2017 8:30 am

Imploding Turtle wrote:FAO Tory voters everywhere

Remember to sign your ballots in case of any funny business once polls have closed. You're going to want to be able to prove which party you voted for in the event of irregularities.

Labour voters, you don't need to do this.

Because the Imam has already filled them all on

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Thu Jun 08, 2017 8:31 am

claretandy wrote:Because the Imam has already filled them all on

Yeah, paid for by the excess in the Tory campaign budget.

Steve-Harpers-perm · Post by **Steve-Harpers-perm** » Thu Jun 08, 2017 8:31 am

Right_winger wrote:I can't wait to come on here tomorrow and rub the libtards nose's in it when the Tories return a huge majority.

Or just normal everyday hardworking people who happen to have a different political viewpoint to yours you mean?

Lancasterclaret · Post by **Lancasterclaret** » Thu Jun 08, 2017 8:35 am

I'm nicer and probably older than you right winger.

I remember how much help a Conservative government gave Burnley last time, and I just feel a bit sad that it won't get any better for the area.

MrTopTier · Post by **MrTopTier** » Thu Jun 08, 2017 8:39 am

I live in the 5th safest Tory seat in the country. So the Green party it is.

South West Claret. · Post by **South West Claret.** » Thu Jun 08, 2017 8:41 am

MrTopTier wrote:I live in the 5th safest Tory seat in the country. So the Green party it is.

Just vote tactically and keep doing so TT.

Right_winger · Post by **Right_winger** » Thu Jun 08, 2017 8:43 am

Unfortunately the choice isn't he best, however voting in corbyn with brexit on the horizon is a recipe for absolute disaster. The man is genuinely dangerous to the country.

It's better to appeal to those on the right than the left when the economic future is a little precarious, at least they produce rather than take.

South West Claret. · Post by **South West Claret.** » Thu Jun 08, 2017 8:47 am

Right_winger wrote:Unfortunately the choice isn't he best, however voting in corbyn with brexit on the horizon is a recipe for absolute disaster. The man is genuinely dangerous to the country.

It's better to appeal to those on the right than the left when the economic future is a little precarious, at least they produce rather than take.

...Where do they dig these people up from

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Thu Jun 08, 2017 8:48 am

Right_winger wrote:Unfortunately the choice isn't he best, however voting in corbyn with brexit on the horizon is a recipe for absolute disaster. The man is genuinely dangerous to the country.

It's better to appeal to those on the right than the left when the economic future is a little precarious, at least they produce rather than take.

May cuts police against advice from the police because it might lead to terrorism, but Corbyn's the one who is dangerous

Mind you, your ideas are a bigger danger to the country than either of them, or ISIS.

MrTopTier · Post by **MrTopTier** » Thu Jun 08, 2017 8:51 am

If everybody who voted last time, voted again and all voted for one party that were not Conservative, you would still need another 2000 people from somewhere to oust the Conservatives.

Steve-Harpers-perm · Post by **Steve-Harpers-perm** » Thu Jun 08, 2017 8:52 am

South West Claret. wrote:...Where do they dig these people up from

I know frightening isn't it.

Dom · Post by **Dom** » Thu Jun 08, 2017 8:53 am

Right_winger in talking nonsense shocker.
Corbyn wants more police, more armed police & more MI5 agents to try and keep us safe. May cuts all those against advice, as both Home Sec and Prime Minister.
People on the right produce, left take?

DCWat · Post by **DCWat** » Thu Jun 08, 2017 8:53 am

Of course the police are going to say that they need more (I don't dispute that they do). I'm not convinced that more police would have prevented a single one of the recent attacks, whilst increased budget for our security services (which has been increased, I believe) does help to stop attacks.

As things stand I'd want more funding given to our security services than police.

Right_winger · Post by **Right_winger** » Thu Jun 08, 2017 8:54 am

Imploding Turtle wrote:May cuts police against advice from the police because it might lead to terrorism, but Corbyn's the one who is dangerous

A man who is in bed with the IRA and other terrorist factions, wants to scrap our armed forces and has absolutely no idea how a western economy works.

He's got some very outrageous views in fact hasn't he been under MI5 surveillance for the past 30 years because of his views?

Do you genuinely believe that the cut in the number of police has actually contributed to the recent attacks? Do you not think that the mass migration and us taking in the rubbish the rest of the world don't want hasn't contributed to it?