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ExistentialWanderer · Post by **ExistentialWanderer** » Thu Jul 20, 2017 12:36 pm

KRBFC wrote:All gone quiet at the minute, we are probably weaker than last year as it stands. We are a striker, centre half and winger away Imo. Quite happy with the signings of Cork and Taylor, Cork makes little sense because he's quite similar to Westwood but he's a good player. Walters signing to play games is a mystery to me, hes taking up a place in the squad outwide and upfront, both positions need further strengthening. Walters will be fourth choice striker and 4th choice winger if we sign another winger and a striker for the first 11. Hes basically left the bench at Stoke to sit on it here unless Walters is seen as one of the striker/winger signings, if so then its totally underwhelming.

If you say things often enough you start to believe it. Thankfully we have several weeks left.

Spike · Post by **Spike** » Thu Jul 20, 2017 1:04 pm

KRBFC wrote:All gone quiet at the minute, we are probably weaker than last year as it stands. We are a striker, centre half and winger away Imo. Quite happy with the signings of Cork and Taylor, Cork makes little sense because he's quite similar to Westwood but he's a good player. Walters signing to play games is a mystery to me, hes taking up a place in the squad outwide and upfront, both positions need further strengthening. Walters will be fourth choice striker and 4th choice winger if we sign another winger and a striker for the first 11. Hes basically left the bench at Stoke to sit on it here unless Walters is seen as one of the striker/winger signings, if so then its totally underwhelming.

its only worth judging Garlick's signing when the window slams shut!

We all want more but I am happy with the signings so far.Walters as something different at £2m rising to £3m is a good deal.

No-one can argue that the Cork and Taylor signings are very good indeed

Spike · Post by **Spike** » Thu Jul 20, 2017 1:05 pm

My Palace mate thought that £8m is fair for McArthur who he tells me played a more advanced role towards the end of last season

AGENT_CLARET · Post by **AGENT_CLARET** » Thu Jul 20, 2017 1:09 pm

BleedingClaret · Post by **BleedingClaret** » Thu Jul 20, 2017 1:10 pm

HiroshimaClaret wrote:I think the signings make sense IF Dyche wants to be more flexible. The new players will certainly help out in a 4-5-1 or a 4-3-2-1 (I`ll keep pushing it!). The effectiveness though is HUGELY dependent (in my opinion) on Gray and especially Defour being made central to our style of play.

We shall see but a couple more signings (a `3rd` centre half is a must) will see us reet IF Dyche releases the shackles against teams outside of the Top 10 at least.

The 451 worked with Vokes as the Target and the midfield, especially Hendrick & Defour buzzing up around him include JBG and Brady in that with Tarks (Better in the Dier role than Centre Half IMO) sat behind them and I can see it, but Gray is nowhere in that, Walters takes JBGs place if ineffective and Barnes takes over from a tired Vokes

in 4321 maybe Gray as the 1 with 2 from Vokes Walters & Barnes, but then I can't see Defour in your 3 which has Hendrick central and Brady with JBG if performing and or fit, if not maybe Taylor Takes that birth whilst Ward is still a competent LB.

I can only see Defour & Gray fitting into a 442 but does Defour keep out Westwood and Cork and does Gray edge any of Vokes Barnes or Walters?

Good News is we've 16 or 17 players I want on the pitch, good problem to have.

I'm going for the untried 33631
.......................Heaton.....................
..........Long..........Mee ..........Ward.............
Lowton................Tarks ...................Taylor
Brady.. Defour.. Hendrick.. Cork.. Westwood.. JBG
.........Barnes.... Vokes.....Walters .................
.......................Gray..........................

I want Marney in there too...............

Subs:
Keeper - Pope
Full Back TD
CB - Anderson
Midfield - Arfield - O'Neil - Ulvestad
Forwards - Agyei - C Long

We've had worse Squads

Jambounchained · Post by **Jambounchained** » Thu Jul 20, 2017 1:10 pm

AGENT_CLARET wrote:

No they haven't.

claretdom · Post by **claretdom** » Thu Jul 20, 2017 1:11 pm

HiroshimaClaret wrote:I think the signings make sense IF Dyche wants to be more flexible. The new players will certainly help out in a 4-5-1 or a 4-3-2-1 (I`ll keep pushing it!). The effectiveness though is HUGELY dependent (in my opinion) on Gray and especially Defour being made central to our style of play.

We shall see but a couple more signings (a `3rd` centre half is a must) will see us reet IF Dyche releases the shackles against teams outside of the Top 10 at least.

Good point IF Dyche releases the shackles as you put it we might stay up........

MACCA · Post by **MACCA** » Thu Jul 20, 2017 2:24 pm

HiroshimaClaret wrote:We shall see but a couple more signings (a `3rd` centre half is a must) will see us reet IF Dyche releases the shackles against teams outside of the Top 10 at least.

How dare you

We are lucky to even have a football team to support, never mind a premier league one.

Why are you wanting us to move forward and evolve?
No one else in the league will, it will be the same easy ride as it was last time.

17th has to be the aim everytime, but for Mr Dyche and our board, we would be playing league 1 football.

Quicknick · Post by **Quicknick** » Thu Jul 20, 2017 3:02 pm

Having 17th as 'the aim every time' depends how long we stay at this level. Let's say we've stayed up eight years. Would you still be saying this?

HiroshimaClaret · Post by **HiroshimaClaret** » Thu Jul 20, 2017 3:06 pm

Quicknick wrote:Having 17th as 'the aim every time' depends how long we stay at this level. Let's say we've stayed up eight years. Would you still be saying this?

I`m hoping and presuming Macca had his tongue firmly planted in his cheek.

Quicknick · Post by **Quicknick** » Thu Jul 20, 2017 3:38 pm

Now I've read it again, he probably had.

KRBFC · Post by **KRBFC** » Thu Jul 20, 2017 3:45 pm

ExistentialWanderer wrote:If you say things often enough you start to believe it. Thankfully we have several weeks left.

I gave my opinion on the transfer window, I said I was happy so far, we just need a few more and as you say, we have plenty of time left. The Walters signing for me is strange because where is he going to play? Not because he's a bad player. If we brought in a first choice striker like we all want this would be the probable striker list in order....

1. New striker
2. Gray
3.Vokes
4. Walters
5. Barnes
6. Agyei

Would Barnes be happy as 5th choice? With 6 strikers to fill 2 spots and the stubborn Dyche he rarely rotates without reason, how much game time would the bottom 3 get? Agyei was our 4th choice last year, would Walters be happy with the same amount or game time as Agyei? I doubt it.

Newty · Post by **Newty** » Thu Jul 20, 2017 3:50 pm

BleedingClaret wrote: I'm going for the untried 33631
.......................Heaton.....................
..........Long..........Mee ..........Ward.............
Lowton................Tarks ...................Taylor
Brady.. Defour.. Hendrick.. Cork.. Westwood.. JBG
.........Barnes.... Vokes.....Walters .................
.......................Gray..........................

We'd still lose away to West Brom

Wile E Coyote · Post by **Wile E Coyote** » Thu Jul 20, 2017 3:51 pm

there'll be inevitable injuries, plenty time for new players to lay claim for regular selection if they prove themselves.

MACCA · Post by **MACCA** » Thu Jul 20, 2017 4:22 pm

Quicknick wrote:Now I've read it again, he probably had.

I Absolutely had.

There seems to be a real problem on here regarding a middle ground.

The doom mongers have us down, theres no way out unless we start all over again, and question 99% of decisions made in a negative manner.

The robots have seem to have a problem with trying to move forward, and believe some sort of God like miracle is happening, with the first sign of change resulting in the world ending.

BleedingClaret · Post by **BleedingClaret** » Thu Jul 20, 2017 5:37 pm

Newty wrote:We'd still lose away to West Brom

yeah but not by 4

UpTheClaretsFCBK · Post by **UpTheClaretsFCBK** » Thu Jul 20, 2017 7:27 pm

Walters will be starting. I guarantee it.

burnley007 · Post by **burnley007** » Thu Jul 20, 2017 7:55 pm

It's all been positive so far.
I'm happy with our progress.

Stevebfc40 · Post by **Stevebfc40** » Thu Jul 20, 2017 8:36 pm

Phil Bardsley.

boatshed bill · Post by **boatshed bill** » Thu Jul 20, 2017 9:22 pm

KRBFC wrote:I gave my opinion on the transfer window, I said I was happy so far, we just need a few more and as you say, we have plenty of time left. The Walters signing for me is strange because where is he going to play? Not because he's a bad player. If we brought in a first choice striker like we all want this would be the probable striker list in order....

1. New striker
2. Gray
3.Vokes
4. Walters
5. Barnes
6. Agyei

Would Barnes be happy as 5th choice? With 6 strikers to fill 2 spots and the stubborn Dyche he rarely rotates without reason, how much game time would the bottom 3 get? Agyei was our 4th choice last year, would Walters be happy with the same amount or game time as Agyei? I doubt it.

I can't see us buying another striker unless we sell one, so an expensive replacement if Gray goes. No change to your order above.
Walters is likely to be on the bench in my opinion, a versatile substitute.
Agyei may still get a loan out, as may Chris Long.
So I can see us starting with what we have now, but hopefully another central defender to come in.

piston broke · Post by **piston broke** » Thu Jul 20, 2017 9:44 pm

UpTheClaretsFCBK wrote:Walters will be starting. I guarantee it.

The big question is where. He has the workrate to play up top, with a 5 man midfield.
He can play alongside or just off a partner.
He can play wide, although if he ended up putting in Boyds shift I'd be disappointed for him.
All our Irish guys are going to be up this season with a chance of a World Cup places dangling for them.

KRBFC list has Vokes above Barnes but when both were available SD regularly went Barnes.

KRBFC · Post by **KRBFC** » Fri Jul 21, 2017 1:26 pm

boatshed bill wrote:I can't see us buying another striker unless we sell one, so an expensive replacement if Gray goes. No change to your order above.
Walters is likely to be on the bench in my opinion, a versatile substitute.
Agyei may still get a loan out, as may Chris Long.
So I can see us starting with what we have now, but hopefully another central defender to come in.

Walters main reason for coming here was to play games though. I think we need a link forward and I think the signing of Walters could potentially put an end to us signing one which is why I see the signing a strange one. Hes a decent player, possibly he will play wide but then that could put an end to a pacey man out wide.

claretspice · Post by **claretspice** » Fri Jul 21, 2017 1:32 pm

KRBFC wrote:Walters main reason for coming here was to play games though. I think we need a link forward and I think the signing of Walters could potentially put an end to us signing one which is why I see the signing a strange one. Hes a decent player, possibly he will play wide but then that could put an end to a pacey man out wide.

I think it was as much about gaining an extra year's contractual certainty as it was about playing games, but either way it is a long old season and there's plenty of scope for him to play plenty, either out wide or up front, even if we do sign another pacey winger. And all the noises coming out of the club are that another wide player is very much on the agenda.

boatshed bill · Post by **boatshed bill** » Fri Jul 21, 2017 8:49 pm

KRBFC wrote:Walters main reason for coming here was to play games though. I think we need a link forward and I think the signing of Walters could potentially put an end to us signing one which is why I see the signing a strange one. Hes a decent player, possibly he will play wide but then that could put an end to a pacey man out wide.

Slightly different; he chose to leave Stoke (apparently) due to his lack of game time. I doubt he'd have been promised a place in the starting line up, SD isn't like that.

DCWat · Post by **DCWat** » Fri Jul 21, 2017 8:54 pm

claretspice wrote:I think it was as much about gaining an extra year's contractual certainty as it was about playing games, but either way it is a long old season and there's plenty of scope for him to play plenty, either out wide or up front, even if we do sign another pacey winger. And all the noises coming out of the club are that another wide player is very much on the agenda.

What noises are these from the club, Spice? I've not heard much about potential wingers, but agree 100% that we need one.

piston broke · Post by **piston broke** » Fri Jul 21, 2017 9:04 pm

claretspice wrote:I think it was as much about gaining an extra year's contractual certainty as it was about playing games.

world cup season and all our irishmen will be up for playing.
even though he was born in liverpool!

Formerbfcmanager · Post by **Formerbfcmanager** » Fri Jul 21, 2017 10:19 pm

Subs:
Keeper - Pope
Full Back TD
CB - Anderson
Midfield - Arfield - O'Neil - Ulvestad
Forwards - Agyei - C Long

We've had worse Squads[/quote]

I'd be worried if Anderson is our back up CB. I've seen him play 30ish games for Chesterfield and he'll probably do pretty well in L2, or L1 at a push, but no higher.

claretspice · Post by **claretspice** » Fri Jul 21, 2017 10:25 pm

DCWat wrote:What noises are these from the club, Spice? I've not heard much about potential wingers, but agree 100% that we need one.

Boden has been stating that his information is a winger and a defender are the priorities. They may not share the precise targets with him, but they're unlikely to completely hang him out to dry. And actually, Nixon has also implied that a winger is at the top of our priority list.

IanMcL · Post by **IanMcL** » Sat Jul 22, 2017 1:03 am

George Boyd?

Firthy · Post by **Firthy** » Sat Jul 22, 2017 8:22 am

We haven't even spent half the Keane money so I'm hoping a pacey winger and CB is the absolute minimum we'll sign before the season starts. TBH I can't see us signing much more, possibly another striker and RB to replace Darikwa.

RoystonVasey · Post by **RoystonVasey** » Sat Jul 22, 2017 6:37 pm

Burnley in surprise move for a fullback according to Nixon. No names mentioned. Probably in his paper tomorrow.

LoveCurryPies · Post by **LoveCurryPies** » Sat Jul 22, 2017 10:07 pm

Gonzalo Escalante

IanMcL · Post by **IanMcL** » Sun Jul 23, 2017 10:30 am

Bardsley can now appear on here.

claretblue · Post by **claretblue** » Sun Jul 23, 2017 10:43 am

Fabian society

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Conroy92 · Post by **Conroy92** » Sun Jul 23, 2017 10:57 am

Think Delph could be class for us.
Imagine a 4-5-1

Heaton
Lowton New/Tarks Mee Taylor/Ward
Cork Delph
Walters/JBG Hendrick/Defour Brady
Gray/New

elwaclaret · Post by **elwaclaret** » Sun Jul 23, 2017 10:59 am

I'd be delighted if Delph arrived but I think the competition for his signature would be fierce - a couple of clubs are rumoured to be already sniffing around him who have a proven record in the top flight and could blow us out of the water with the deals they would be willing to offer.

Bardsley I have always thought could well return at some point later in his career ever since his time here seemed to be such a good fit back in the sands of time. Naturally I thought it would be as the player started to drop down the league, as I didn't even dare dream we could offer Premiership football. Though this link could be more a case of our sudden and I'm not entirely convinced not overstated connection to Stoke than anything we're actually trying to get done.

Reecey1987 · Post by **Reecey1987** » Sun Jul 23, 2017 10:59 am

Conroy92 wrote:Think Delph could be class for us.
Imagine a 4-5-1

Heaton
Lowton New/Tarks Mee Taylor/Ward
Cork Delph
Walters/JBG Hendrick/Defour Brady
Gray/New

I thought delph was signing for stoke this week ?

claretblue · Post by **claretblue** » Sun Jul 23, 2017 8:01 pm

Quicknick wrote:That Bony article: creative journalism.

Hope this is!

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Claretpants · Post by **Claretpants** » Sun Jul 23, 2017 10:30 pm

Sky reporting WBA main target is Smalling at Utd which could free up Dawson to us?

Il Duce · Post by **Il Duce** » Sun Jul 23, 2017 10:33 pm

Every other day WBA are linked with a centre back. Can only hope it makes Dawson available

claretlegend · Post by **claretlegend** » Sun Jul 23, 2017 10:56 pm

Isn't Dawson their usual right back?

Il Duce · Post by **Il Duce** » Sun Jul 23, 2017 10:57 pm

Well yeah but the speculation that Dawson wants to leave came from him saying he wanted to play centre back. If they sign more centre backs then his chances will be even more limited.

EarbyClaret · Post by **EarbyClaret** » Mon Jul 24, 2017 6:59 am

Sam Clucas linked with a move to Newcastle for £4m - with the signing of Cork and indications that Defour likely to stay not a priority position but always rated him and assumed he would cost more than that (which he may in the end) - if we've got the financial flexibility to think about long-term squad building in addition to immediate needs then would hope he's on our radar at least.

piston broke · Post by **piston broke** » Mon Jul 24, 2017 7:47 am

Defour, Cork,Hendrick and Westwood are no age in football terms. Marney to comeback later. I think we are sorted for CM.

BleedingClaret · Post by **BleedingClaret** » Mon Jul 24, 2017 8:35 am

Formerbfcmanager wrote:Subs:
Keeper - Pope
Full Back TD
CB - Anderson
Midfield - Arfield - O'Neil - Ulvestad
Forwards - Agyei - C Long

We've had worse Squads

I'd be worried if Anderson is our back up CB. I've seen him play 30ish games for Chesterfield and he'll probably do pretty well in L2, or L1 at a push, but no higher.[/quote]

Yes I have to agree, I remember him in a pre season game at Accy Stanley, no pace and no positional sense were a bad combination that day.

Goalposts · Post by **Goalposts** » Wed Aug 23, 2017 2:36 pm

Boro have bid 4.5m for jota from Brentford

lucs86 · Post by **lucs86** » Wed Aug 23, 2017 3:08 pm

We need to get outbidding then. I want us to get this guy just so Boro don't.

Commy · Post by **Commy** » Wed Aug 23, 2017 3:09 pm

According to Nixon Brentford want 8 mil and he wants Premier. Might have changed his mind on that though with the start they have made.

claretandy · Post by **claretandy** » Wed Aug 23, 2017 3:26 pm

They won't sell to a championship rival.

IndigoLake · Post by **IndigoLake** » Wed Aug 23, 2017 3:26 pm

8mil for Jota is an absolute bargain. He'd be a brilliant signing.