Stan Ternent interview

Murger · Post by **Murger** » Sat Jun 10, 2017 2:19 pm

Can't see a thread on this

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DCWat · Post by **DCWat** » Sat Jun 10, 2017 3:12 pm

Good interview, quite amusing as would be expected.

mdd2 · Post by **mdd2** » Sat Jun 10, 2017 5:07 pm

Brilliant interview that. Happy days

ElectroClaret · Post by **ElectroClaret** » Sat Jun 10, 2017 5:12 pm

Very complimentary about Barry Kilby.

"Did the honourable thing....."

ontario claret · Post by **ontario claret** » Sat Jun 10, 2017 9:12 pm

Was he sober?

Cirrus_Minor · Post by **Cirrus_Minor** » Sun Jun 11, 2017 12:47 am

Just listened to that now, what a brilliant interview and what a guy. Always had time for Stan, top man.

Burnleyareback2 · Post by **Burnleyareback2** » Sun Jun 11, 2017 12:59 am

ontario claret wrote:Was he sober?

Why?

IanMcL · Post by **IanMcL** » Sun Jun 11, 2017 4:44 am

Very good listen from a Burnley man

ClaretTony · Post by **ClaretTony** » Sun Jun 11, 2017 8:47 am

I see he said that Teasdale told him a pack of lies - not the first to say that

Colburn_Claret · Post by **Colburn_Claret** » Sun Jun 11, 2017 11:22 am

Great listening.
Where would this club be today without Barry Kilby.

Shappie · Post by **Shappie** » Sun Jun 11, 2017 12:13 pm

Brilliant. I love Stan

ElectroClaret · Post by **ElectroClaret** » Sun Jun 11, 2017 12:35 pm

Colburn_Claret wrote: Where would this club be today without Barry Kilby.

Probably on Towneley.

Devils_Advocate · Post by **Devils_Advocate** » Sun Jun 11, 2017 12:58 pm

ElectroClaret wrote:Probably on Towneley.

More likely we'd be floating around the bottom divisions living to our means hoping for a good manager or an investor/chairman like Kilby to give us that financial boost to move us forward

Kilby gambled his own money and through good decision making, manager appointments and general running of the club we have used that initial boost to kick on (to coin a Stan phrase) well beyond what looked possible at the time Ternent joined us.

Kilby has been amazing and deserves all the credit he gets from us Burnley fans however the minute a chairman of another club puts money in and funds that club beyond their natural means a lot of folk on here get their knickers in a twist and use it as a reason to discredit any achievement from that club and go as far as accusing them of achieving their success unfairly

Although the levels of investment differ greatly, in principle I dont see much if any difference between what Kilby and Flood did at Burnley to what the Bournemouth owner has done over the past 5 years or what Dean Hoyle is looking to do now at Huddersfield

ClaretTony · Post by **ClaretTony** » Sun Jun 11, 2017 2:53 pm

Devils_Advocate wrote:Although the levels of investment differ greatly, in principle I dont see much if any difference between what Kilby and Flood did at Burnley to what the Bournemouth owner has done over the past 5 years or what Dean Hoyle is looking to do now at Huddersfield

HuncoatClaret · Post by **HuncoatClaret** » Sun Jun 11, 2017 4:05 pm

He took us to the next level but he couldn't take us any further, I think he started to think he was bigger than the club.
I've met him and it didn't like him as a person and I'm glad that he's away from our club.

nil_desperandum · Post by **nil_desperandum** » Sun Jun 11, 2017 5:37 pm

HuncoatClaret wrote:He took us to the next level but he couldn't take us any further, I think he started to think he was bigger than the club.
I've met him and it didn't like him as a person and I'm glad that he's away from our club.

Can you provide some analysis to support your first point?. I thought he was doing very well, in every respect, until the expected ITV Digital money suddenly disappeared, and we had to make massive financial cutbacks. But even then he kept our head above water.

Bordeauxclaret · Post by **Bordeauxclaret** » Sun Jun 11, 2017 5:39 pm

Some good rants from Stan. The Scunthorpe one was funny.
Who was the player from Man U he kicked off about that time?

HuncoatClaret · Post by **HuncoatClaret** » Sun Jun 11, 2017 6:04 pm

nil_desperandum wrote:Can you provide some analysis to support your first point?. I thought he was doing very well, in every respect, until the expected ITV Digital money suddenly disappeared, and we had to make massive financial cutbacks. But even then he kept our head above water.

All the teams lost their ITV digital money not just us, therefore, every managers budget will have been cut. We had a massive collapse in form and confidence after Christmas, when we were top and didn't even make the play offs.
Stan ruled by fear and he'd 3 fights with players who retaliated to his bully boy tactics- David May & Glen Little in training and Kevin Ball at half time in the Grimsby game away. Incidents like this happen between players but not with a manager. He makes me laugh when he goes on about Burnley /Blackburn fans not being able to behave themselves, when after a pint, Stan thinks he can take on the world then cries in court when he's charged with GBH.

nil_desperandum · Post by **nil_desperandum** » Sun Jun 11, 2017 6:25 pm

HuncoatClaret wrote:All the teams lost their ITV digital money not just us, therefore, every managers budget will have been cut. We had a massive collapse in form and confidence after Christmas, when we were top and didn't even make the play offs.
Stan ruled by fear and he'd 3 fights with players who retaliated to his bully boy tactics- David May & Glen Little in training and Kevin Ball at half time in the Grimsby game away. Incidents like this happen between players but not with a manager. He makes me laugh when he goes on about Burnley /Blackburn fans not being able to behave themselves, when after a pint, Stan thinks he can take on the world then cries in court when he's charged with GBH.

Wouldn't like to comment on your second paragraph, since I don't / can't know the details of what you are alleging.
With regards to your first point, you are not taking into account, that as one of the smaller clubs in the division, who were just emerging from a long period in the lower divisions, we were far more dependent on the TV money to make progress than many of our rivals, who were much "bigger" clubs (financially) and had much higher gates and other sources of income than we did.

HuncoatClaret · Post by **HuncoatClaret** » Sun Jun 11, 2017 6:34 pm

We were clear at the top of the league at the half way point and he signed Paul Gascoigne, his wages weren't cheap, and he failed to even make the play offs. I'd say, the TV money was a very convenient excuse for Stan.

HuncoatClaret · Post by **HuncoatClaret** » Sun Jun 11, 2017 6:35 pm

Oh and David johnson on loan.

TheFamilyCat · Post by **TheFamilyCat** » Sun Jun 11, 2017 8:18 pm

And Robbie Blake.

HuncoatClaret · Post by **HuncoatClaret** » Sun Jun 11, 2017 8:39 pm

I also blame him for the FA cup quarter final defeat at Watford when he left Little and Blake on the bench, also on the bench that day was an injured steve Davis, Stan sent an injured Davis on, and put him in the centre of midfield.
We got beat that day and we hardly created a chance until he sent Blake and Little on which was too late.

nil_desperandum · Post by **nil_desperandum** » Sun Jun 11, 2017 9:33 pm

I agree that finishing 7th was disappointing but we did only miss out on the play-offs by one single goal. (Gascoigne's free kick that was brilliantly saved would have put us in the play-offs). So yes, we can criticise Stan for that, but in context he had taken us from the verge of oblivion under Waddle, cleared out a lot of dead wood, and strengthened the squad in all aspects. We were a basket case when he took over.
In January, as I recall he spent all his budget on Blake, not knowing that he was carrying a knock, (blame our medical team or Blake for that), and his other signings were loans or frees. The loan signing of Johnson was a good one, I think, and he almost got us over the line. I was never convinced by the Gascoigne loan, but it had worked spectacularly well with Ian Wright. That said, 7th place on goal difference would have surpassed our expectations before the season started.
It was really the following season when the impact of the ITV collapse kicked in, and we frequently didn't have enough players to fill the subs bench. (That was really what I was referring to, when I said that the momentum he was building was halted by the promised TV money failing to materialise.)

ClaretTony · Post by **ClaretTony** » Sun Jun 11, 2017 9:41 pm

To be fair we were awful for two and a half seasons at the end. It wasn't just the last two but the second half of that 2001/02 season, despite the signings of Blake, Gascoigne and Johnson, was almost relegation form. It's all well and good to say we finished 7th but from where we were going into Christmas with more than 2 points per game, 7th only came about because of a dreadful second half to the season. I think I'm right in saying we only won three home games after Christmas.

nil_desperandum · Post by **nil_desperandum** » Sun Jun 11, 2017 9:46 pm

ClaretTony wrote:To be fair we were awful for two and a half seasons at the end. It wasn't just the last two but the second half of that 2001/02 season, despite the signings of Blake, Gascoigne and Johnson, was almost relegation form. It's all well and good to say we finished 7th but from where we were going into Christmas with more than 2 points per game, 7th only came about because of a dreadful second half to the season. I think I'm right in saying we only won three home games after Christmas.

Well I don't really disagree with that, (and like everyone else I was really disappointed how we fell away after New Year's Day), but I still think that when we assess his entire period with us, we should be grateful for what he did, and he should be regarded as one of our most successful managers since Harry Potts.

ClaretTony · Post by **ClaretTony** » Sun Jun 11, 2017 10:06 pm

nil_desperandum wrote:Well I don't really disagree with that, (and like everyone else I was really disappointed how we fell away after New Year's Day), but I still think that when we assess his entire period with us, we should be grateful for what he did, and he should be regarded as one of our most successful managers since Harry Potts.

Promotion season and for a season and a half after that I'd agree with you

ElectroClaret · Post by **ElectroClaret** » Sun Jun 11, 2017 10:12 pm

HuncoatClaret wrote:I also blame him for the FA cup quarter final defeat at Watford when he left Little and Blake on the bench, also on the bench that day was an injured steve Davis, Stan sent an injured Davis on, and put him in the centre of midfield.
We got beat that day and we hardly created a chance until he sent Blake and Little on which was too late.

That Cup defeat at Watford was a real blow at the time. Very poor performance.

Clarets4me · Post by **Clarets4me** » Sun Jun 11, 2017 10:38 pm

nil_desperandum wrote:Well I don't really disagree with that, (and like everyone else I was really disappointed how we fell away after New Year's Day), but I still think that when we assess his entire period with us, we should be grateful for what he did, and he should be regarded as one of our most successful managers since Harry Potts.

In the 1st 35 League games under Stan, after the Chris Waddle debacle, his record was 8 - 10 - 17....
We then went 11 games unbeaten to the end of the 1998 -99 season, won promotion the following season, and then finished 7th in each of the next two seasons, in the Championship. Stan's win percentage over this period was 48.6%..

The last 2 seasons were disappointing, for all sorts of reasons but did include a FA Cup Quarter final. He joined a Club that had survived the drop to the bottom tier on the last day of the 1997-98, and left it after 4 years in the Championship. I think you'd be hard pressed to argue that the Club was not much the better for his contribution...

Vegas Claret · Post by **Vegas Claret** » Mon Jun 12, 2017 12:34 am

Cheers for posting that Murger, great listen

cricketfieldclarets · Post by **cricketfieldclarets** » Mon Jun 12, 2017 12:49 am

Devils_Advocate wrote:More likely we'd be floating around the bottom divisions living to our means hoping for a good manager or an investor/chairman like Kilby to give us that financial boost to move us forward

Kilby gambled his own money and through good decision making, manager appointments and general running of the club we have used that initial boost to kick on (to coin a Stan phrase) well beyond what looked possible at the time Ternent joined us.

Kilby has been amazing and deserves all the credit he gets from us Burnley fans however the minute a chairman of another club puts money in and funds that club beyond their natural means a lot of folk on here get their knickers in a twist and use it as a reason to discredit any achievement from that club and go as far as accusing them of achieving their success unfairly

Although the levels of investment differ greatly, in principle I dont see much if any difference between what Kilby and Flood did at Burnley to what the Bournemouth owner has done over the past 5 years or what Dean Hoyle is looking to do now at Huddersfield

Great post

cricketfieldclarets · Post by **cricketfieldclarets** » Mon Jun 12, 2017 12:53 am

Good listen. Typical Stan. Funny but full of himself. Played a huge role for us but left at the right time.

bartons baggage · Post by **bartons baggage** » Mon Jun 12, 2017 7:24 am

Glen Little's version of the night out in Exeter is funny.
It starts about 10 mins in. http://podtail.com/podcast/the-magic-sp ... ey-little/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Buxtonclaret · Post by **Buxtonclaret** » Mon Jun 12, 2017 9:30 am

Just managed to listen to it.
Brilliant stuff!
Old school manager. Old school character.
Cheers, murger.

Rumbletonk · Post by **Rumbletonk** » Mon Jun 12, 2017 12:04 pm

Two great interviews. The Glen Little one is superb listening. Cheers for posting Bartons baggage

jlup1980 · Post by **jlup1980** » Mon Jun 12, 2017 1:05 pm

The Glen interview is brilliant - sports science at Bolton "we had Swedish coaches coming in talking to us about our mascle muss" ha ha, classic Glen!!

Buxtonclaret · Post by **Buxtonclaret** » Mon Jun 12, 2017 3:42 pm

Just finished Glen's.
A cracker! Love the different angle on Exeter to Stan's!

Would be bloody brilliant to get both in the pub and bring it up.

Sausage · Post by **Sausage** » Mon Jun 12, 2017 5:49 pm

Glen Little's description of Sam Ellis' face...

I'm dying laughing.

bartons baggage · Post by **bartons baggage** » Mon Jun 12, 2017 9:04 pm

Sausage wrote:Glen Little's description of Sam Ellis' face...

I'm dying laughing.

The clumsy bee keeper.

Bin Ont Turf · Post by **Bin Ont Turf** » Mon Jun 12, 2017 9:10 pm

I've heard the Glen interview before, but it's still worth listening to again.

He (Kanu) must have been good in the 70's.

ontario claret · Post by **ontario claret** » Mon Jun 12, 2017 10:00 pm

I always thought that Stan fitted the Burnley persona perfectly. A little rough around the edges, but with a heart of gold.

jlup1980 · Post by **jlup1980** » Tue Jun 13, 2017 7:14 am

Am I the only one who thought there was a hint of casual racism at the end of Stan's interview; the question from Lenny Johnrose?

He made it sound like he had someone on CCTV stealing his training kit. Then he said he knew it was Lenny but follows that up with "we had three of them; Coxy, Mitch and Lenny but I know it was him". What do you mean by "them" Stan?! Certainly a manager from a bygone era.

kaptin1 · Post by **kaptin1** » Tue Jun 13, 2017 7:26 am

bartons baggage wrote:Glen Little's version of the night out in Exeter is funny.
It starts about 10 mins in. http://podtail.com/podcast/the-magic-sp ... ey-little/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Brilliant! His impression of Stan sounds like Brian Clough on helium.

Jamesy · Post by **Jamesy** » Tue Jun 13, 2017 8:29 am

Not racist at all. More like CCTV images were poor and all he could tell was that a black player did it.

Dom · Post by **Dom** » Tue Jun 13, 2017 10:02 am

Met him twice and both times he was a prick. More prickish the second time I happened to sit next to him on a flight from Amsterdam, tried thanking him for what he did for Burnley, he cut me off and told me he wasn't interested in talking to me.
Bellend.

Sausage · Post by **Sausage** » Tue Jun 13, 2017 10:28 am

Dom wrote:Met him twice and both times he was a prick. More prickish the second time I happened to sit next to him on a flight from Amsterdam, tried thanking him for what he did for Burnley, he cut me off and told me he wasn't interested in talking to me.
Bellend.

Never meet your heroes.

Jamesy · Post by **Jamesy** » Tue Jun 13, 2017 11:02 am

Dom wrote:Met him twice and both times he was a prick. More prickish the second time I happened to sit next to him on a flight from Amsterdam, tried thanking him for what he did for Burnley, he cut me off and told me he wasn't interested in talking to me.
Bellend.

Maybe he was just tired? However, he could possibly have been more polite to you. He is known though for being a tad abrupt.

Inchy · Post by **Inchy** » Tue Jun 13, 2017 12:29 pm

People seem to dislike Stan because he has personally insulted them, or he has said/done something at the club which has upset them.

IMO he took us a long way. We were heading God knows where before he showed up. He cleared out the rubbish and we started to play some really exciting football.

As good as Dyche is there is no doubt it can be dull at times. Under Stan it always seemed interesting. We had some really skilful players under him and games seemed to always have a lot of goals (both for and against).

I met him at club events but have never spoken to him. Maybe that's a good thing but IMO hes a clarets hero

cricketfieldclarets · Post by **cricketfieldclarets** » Tue Jun 13, 2017 12:31 pm

It wasnt always interesting. His last season or two were awful.

On his interviee he seems a bit bitter. Like when he says cotterill came in and didnt improve us.

Quickenthetempo · Post by **Quickenthetempo** » Tue Jun 13, 2017 1:02 pm

He doesn't have many good things to say about our other mangers apart from Dyche.

Is he still welcome at the club? I got the impression he wasn't in that interview, always going to football matches but hasn't been on the Turf for a good while. There were plenty of times when our home game was the only game going on so a little strange.