Jayrod coming home truth or paper talk?

Woodleyclaret · Post by **Woodleyclaret** » Sat Jun 17, 2017 7:30 am

Imo he would give us pace flair and goals.

KefkaClaret · Post by **KefkaClaret** » Sat Jun 17, 2017 7:51 am

No thanks, no better than Gray or Vokes.

gawthorpe_view · Post by **gawthorpe_view** » Sat Jun 17, 2017 8:08 am

KefkaClaret wrote:No thanks, no better than Gray or Vokes.

But he might compliment those two, or be a decent foil for Barnes?

His recent injury record is a concern, but Vokes and Barnes came back from ACL injuries and have done well since.

IanMcL · Post by **IanMcL** » Sat Jun 17, 2017 8:13 am

He is exceptional - and Burnley. Grrrrreeaatttt!!!!

RVclaret · Post by **RVclaret** » Sat Jun 17, 2017 8:18 am

Would be a great signing. Just the type of forward who can link up with Gray and Vokes. Full Dyche pre season could just be what he needs to get back firing.

ayrshireclaret83 · Post by **ayrshireclaret83** » Sat Jun 17, 2017 8:21 am

Where is there any story ?

Sidney1st · Post by **Sidney1st** » Sat Jun 17, 2017 8:21 am

Anyone know what he's being paid at Saints before everyone starts beating themselves into a frenzy over this?

Sidney1st · Post by **Sidney1st** » Sat Jun 17, 2017 8:22 am

ayrshireclaret83 wrote:Where is there any story ?

Its on here, that's enough for the dreamers.

Jakubs Tash · Post by **Jakubs Tash** » Sat Jun 17, 2017 8:32 am

KefkaClaret wrote:No thanks, no better than Gray or Vokes.

Taking his injury history as a separate subject and just looking at his ability, in my opinion he's an improvement on both Gray and Vokes. Better touch, movement, link play and good pace. Can play as a 9, 10 or left side of a front three.

ayrshireclaret83 · Post by **ayrshireclaret83** » Sat Jun 17, 2017 8:38 am

Sidney1st wrote:Its on here, that's enough for the dreamers.

Can't even see paper talk as the title suggests.

bobinho · Post by **bobinho** » Sat Jun 17, 2017 8:44 am

What jakubs said. He's quite obviously better than both those players named.

Would he come back? Not sure.
Could we afford him? Not sure.
Would we want him? Not sure.

Certainly the type of player we should be (and would be) looking at, in that he's proven PL quality at an established PL side, and he's not playing regularly.

Colburn_Claret · Post by **Colburn_Claret** » Sat Jun 17, 2017 8:46 am

KefkaClaret wrote:No thanks, no better than Gray or Vokes.

Have you been sniffing glue?

If he recovers fully, from his injuries, then he is a class above anyone at the club.
The form he was showing pre injury, would have made him an England regular by now. He improved a lot at Southampton after he left us.

wilks_bfc · Post by **wilks_bfc** » Sat Jun 17, 2017 8:47 am

It's already a done deal
I saw him in Tesco on Centenary Way the other week

(One comment is definitely true but both comments may or may not be)

Woodleyclaret · Post by **Woodleyclaret** » Sat Jun 17, 2017 8:48 am

In Saturday's Sun and we all know how creative they can be .But nice if true.

Blackrod · Post by **Blackrod** » Sat Jun 17, 2017 8:51 am

Completely different type of player to Gray or Vokes. Not always into the idea of signing former players but two I would have back would be Trippier or Rodriguez based on what they offer. Slight doubts over Jay Rods fitness though after his injury. We need a link up player.

claretspice · Post by **claretspice** » Sat Jun 17, 2017 8:51 am

This may not even be paper talk, and it may not be realistic.

But - before anyone sneers at the concept of signing Rodriguez, i'd like them to name a better and more realistic option who can offer us a "sheringham" option, if that is what we are looking for this summer - ie a target man but also a better link between midfield and attack when dropping into those pockets.

SkiptonClaret · Post by **SkiptonClaret** » Sat Jun 17, 2017 9:11 am

Regardless of whether he's better than Gray or Vokes (although I''d suggest a fully fit Jay Rodriguez is better than both) he's certainly a much, much better footballer than Ashley Barnes, simply We need a better third option than the limited bruiser that is Barnes.
Can anyone realistically think of much better options than JR ? The current management have a comparatively poor record when it comes to signing forwards and, in addition, most of our attempts in loan market, speaking more generally, have been poor.
I wouldn't have thought the sacking of Puel would make this deal anymore likely though, he didn't appear to particularly rate JR - Shane Long was often preferred.

DCWat · Post by **DCWat** » Sat Jun 17, 2017 9:11 am

Both Rodriguez and Ings would give us that something we are missing between midfield and attack. Rodriguez giving perhaps a greater flexibility.

Injuries and whether or not he 'still has it' aside. Rodriguez would on paper be a great fit for us and that's ignoring the Burnley connection.

An appearance based deal might make it more affordable assuming it's not just lazy paper gossip.

Sidney1st · Post by **Sidney1st** » Sat Jun 17, 2017 9:37 am

claretspice wrote:This may not even be paper talk, and it may not be realistic.

But - before anyone sneers at the concept of signing Rodriguez, i'd like them to name a better and more realistic option who can offer us a "sheringham" option, if that is what we are looking for this summer - ie a target man but also a better link between midfield and attack when dropping into those pockets.

Are we allowed to offer alternatives?
Every window there's a thread about bringing Jay Rod back, it's almost like some of you won't consider an alternative, but it's a big big world out there and for the money it would cost to re-sign Jay there's almost bound to be an alternative for better money.

Same with people suggesting Ings and until recently Trippier.

I don't recall Dyche ever mentioning him and does anyone know if our scouts have been down to see him?

jdrobbo · Post by **jdrobbo** » Sat Jun 17, 2017 9:38 am

He's no better than what we've got?

He's considerably better!

Sidney1st · Post by **Sidney1st** » Sat Jun 17, 2017 9:40 am

SkiptonClaret wrote:Regardless of whether he's better than Gray or Vokes (although I''d suggest a fully fit Jay Rodriguez is better than both) he's certainly a much, much better footballer than Ashley Barnes, simply We need a better third option than the limited bruiser that is Barnes.
Can anyone realistically think of much better options than JR ? The current management have a comparatively poor record when it comes to signing forwards and, in addition, most of our attempts in loan market, speaking more generally, have been poor.
I wouldn't have thought the sacking of Puel would make this deal anymore likely though, he didn't appear to particularly rate JR - Shane Long was often preferred.

Poor record signing forwards?

Gray & Barnes have been alright.

Bamford was only signed due to Gray's ban and I'm not sure why we signed Long, but he did in all fairness look another decent prospect.

Aygei is a future prospect and appears highly rated on here and by the club.

Hennings was just unlucky in having an in form partnership ahead of him and I still believe Vossen used us to get his move he wanted.

So the current manager hasn't done too bad has he signing strikers?

ClaretTony · Post by **ClaretTony** » Sat Jun 17, 2017 9:44 am

Other than a Burnley fan asking Nixon about him, I've not seen any speculation anywhere about Jay Rod but

gawthorpe_view wrote:But he might compliment those two, or be a decent foil for Barnes?

His recent injury record is a concern, but Vokes and Barnes came back from ACL injuries and have done well since.

He's been fully fit for almost two years since having the surgery on his foot. He's long back from his ACL injury.

Sidney1st wrote:Anyone know what he's being paid at Saints before everyone starts beating themselves into a frenzy over this?

I've been told on good authority that he's on more than double our highest paid player.

Sidney1st · Post by **Sidney1st** » Sat Jun 17, 2017 9:46 am

I forgot to mention Sordell and Juke didn't turn out to be great signings

Cleveleys_claret · Post by **Cleveleys_claret** » Sat Jun 17, 2017 9:53 am

Guessing the same good authority has also told me Jay hates it and is wanting a move. WBA have offered a very generous deal which I doubt we would match. He would come back but we would need to get close to what he is on

ClaretTony · Post by **ClaretTony** » Sat Jun 17, 2017 9:57 am

Cleveleys_claret wrote:Guessing the same good authority has also told me Jay hates it and is wanting a move.

Don't know, you tell us.

warksclaret · Post by **warksclaret** » Sat Jun 17, 2017 10:01 am

Depends how often he wants to start in the PL games. Suspect at WBA he would be a squad player as they play one (Rondom) up front and Shane Long his present team mate might put him off going there as he himself was not a regular

I am convinced if he stayed fit he would be one of the first names on the team sheet. Good football brain and good finisher. A good fit for BFC and SD

DCWat · Post by **DCWat** » Sat Jun 17, 2017 10:04 am

Sidney1st wrote:Are we allowed to offer alternatives?
Every window there's a thread about bringing Jay Rod back, it's almost like some of you won't consider an alternative, but it's a big big world out there and for the money it would cost to re-sign Jay there's almost bound to be an alternative for better money.

Same with people suggesting Ings and until recently Trippier.

I don't recall Dyche ever mentioning him and does anyone know if our scouts have been down to see him?

Of course Sidney, but you've not offered one, yet

FactualFrank · Post by **FactualFrank** » Sat Jun 17, 2017 10:09 am

He'd be better for us if we kept it down on the deck more. He has a good first touch and control of the ball. If we signed him and kept lambasting it upfield, I don't think we'd see the best of him. There's also of course his injury record.
Ultimately, it would depend on how much he'll cost, but I think he'd be a risk, if he was the only forward that came in.

Steve1956 · Post by **Steve1956** » Sat Jun 17, 2017 10:13 am

What is it with it when our support says he won't come to us do you know how much he's on,do footballers NEVER take pay cuts?

ElectroClaret · Post by **ElectroClaret** » Sat Jun 17, 2017 10:14 am

Sidney1st wrote: Every window there's a thread about bringing Jay Rod back

Spot on.

However, if true, I'd carry him back.

IndigoLake · Post by **IndigoLake** » Sat Jun 17, 2017 10:46 am

He's on very good money at Southampton. I would steer well clear unless we're very confident that his injury troubles are behind him. Good player no doubt but you'd hope we can find better value elsewhere. That's what scouting systems are for anyway

1963Claret · Post by **1963Claret** » Sat Jun 17, 2017 10:52 am

One of the best Burnley players of the last 20 years, better than Gray, better than Vokes, better than Barnes and yet some people wouldn't want him back. Unbelievable.

IndigoLake · Post by **IndigoLake** » Sat Jun 17, 2017 10:53 am

1963Claret wrote:One of the best Burnley players of the last 20 years, better than Gray, better than Vokes, better than Barnes and yet some people wouldn't want him back. Unbelievable.

Not really that unbelievable. A lot has changed since he was last at Burnley. That includes some pretty serious injuries and a significant pay upgrade. You have to take these things into account.

1963Claret · Post by **1963Claret** » Sat Jun 17, 2017 10:59 am

Injuries no more serious than those suffered by Barnes and Vokes and I don't doubt his wages are a major stumbling block. I was merely making the point that he's better than what we have and I find it incredible that some fans wouldn't want him back - very different from saying he is returning.

Sidney1st · Post by **Sidney1st** » Sat Jun 17, 2017 11:11 am

DCWat wrote:Of course Sidney, but you've not offered one, yet

I'll sit down and browse fifa when I get home to find one.

Sidney1st · Post by **Sidney1st** » Sat Jun 17, 2017 11:12 am

Steve1956 wrote:What is it with it when our support says he won't come to us do you know how much he's on,do footballers NEVER take pay cuts?

Not when they're in their mid 20's and can still maximize their earnings.
Certainly not halving their wages too.

KRBFC · Post by **KRBFC** » Sat Jun 17, 2017 11:18 am

I cant remember the last time he played well, must have been at least 2 years ago. If hes the same player that left us, id have him back in a flash but he probably isn't.

cricketfieldclarets · Post by **cricketfieldclarets** » Sat Jun 17, 2017 11:38 am

People do know hes barely played or scored in two years.

Better than what we have? On what basis?

He was potentially better than what we have. But isnt better than what we have.

Good lad. Local. Ex player. Would be great if he was fit and consistently playing amd scoring. But he isnt.

If he was anyone else (Ings aside) nobody would even talk about him.

Might as well sign Martin Paterson!

tim_noone · Post by **tim_noone** » Sat Jun 17, 2017 11:40 am

DCWat wrote:Both Rodriguez and Ings would give us that something we are missing between midfield and attack. Rodriguez giving perhaps a greater flexibility.

Injuries and whether or not he 'still has it' aside. Rodriguez would on paper be a great fit for us and that's ignoring the Burnley connection.

An appearance based deal might make it more affordable assuming it's not just lazy paper gossip.

I'm thinking of linking back up with two ex wives.

tim_noone · Post by **tim_noone** » Sat Jun 17, 2017 11:43 am

1963Claret wrote:One of the best Burnley players of the last 20 years, better than Gray, better than Vokes, better than Barnes and yet some people wouldn't want him back. Unbelievable.

Ok kiko give us a break!

Sidney1st · Post by **Sidney1st** » Sat Jun 17, 2017 11:49 am

tim_noone wrote:I'm thinking of linking back up with two ex wives.

At the same time?

ClaretTony · Post by **ClaretTony** » Sat Jun 17, 2017 11:51 am

cricketfieldclarets wrote:People do know hes barely played or scored in two years.

Better than what we have? On what basis?

He was potentially better than what we have. But isnt better than what we have.

Good lad. Local. Ex player. Would be great if he was fit and consistently playing amd scoring. But he isnt.

If he was anyone else (Ings aside) nobody would even talk about him.

Might as well sign Martin Paterson!

40 Premier League appearances in last two seasons either from the start or the bench - and to even compare him with Paterson is one of the most ridiculous things I've seen posted on here for some time.

Dyched · Post by **Dyched** » Sat Jun 17, 2017 12:22 pm

cricketfieldclarets wrote:People do know hes barely played or scored in two years.

Better than what we have? On what basis?

He was potentially better than what we have. But isnt better than what we have.

Good lad. Local. Ex player. Would be great if he was fit and consistently playing amd scoring. But he isnt.

If he was anyone else (Ings aside) nobody would even talk about him.

Might as well sign Martin Paterson!

THIS! There wouldn't even be a discussion about him if he hadn't played for us in the past

RVclaret · Post by **RVclaret** » Sat Jun 17, 2017 12:25 pm

cricketfieldclarets wrote:People do know hes barely played or scored in two years.

Better than what we have? On what basis?

He was potentially better than what we have. But isnt better than what we have.

Good lad. Local. Ex player. Would be great if he was fit and consistently playing amd scoring. But he isnt.

If he was anyone else (Ings aside) nobody would even talk about him.

Might as well sign Martin Paterson!

What has Jay done to upset you so much? Every time his name gets mentioned you can't wait to unleash your usual spiel.

Paterson is in playing in league 2 and JR in the Prem, what a bizarre (hilarious) comparison.

BleedingClaret · Post by **BleedingClaret** » Sat Jun 17, 2017 12:31 pm

KefkaClaret wrote:No thanks, no better than Gray or Vokes.

You should be on stage pal

DCWat · Post by **DCWat** » Sat Jun 17, 2017 12:33 pm

tim_noone wrote:I'm thinking of linking back up with two ex wives.

Strange but if they are both up for it, you'd be mad not to have a dabble!

Bin Ont Turf · Post by **Bin Ont Turf** » Sat Jun 17, 2017 12:34 pm

cricketfieldclarets wrote:
Better than what we have? On what basis?

On the basis of having watched him play football for the last 8 years.

BleedingClaret · Post by **BleedingClaret** » Sat Jun 17, 2017 12:36 pm

Are we going to grow lots of Blackburn style jumped up supporters that we can sneer at the possible acquisition of arguably our best centre forward, maybe Austin aside, in 50 years?
Certainly up there even if the Kindons are in that timescale.
I can't see any way at any level Jayrod doesn't add to Burnleys squad, and the prospect excites me!

billyhamilton82 · Post by **billyhamilton82** » Sat Jun 17, 2017 12:40 pm

The first thing to say is if hadn't had the injuries we wouldn't get a sniff, in fact he would be a regular for England by now if it hadn't have been for that cruciate injury.

Our style of play would immediately improve due to having a player capable of holding and heading the ball but also able to turn a man and beat them for pace even though he's not as rapid as Gray he is no slouch and he is also able to see a pass and play other players in. Due to his ability he is automatically afforded more time and space as defenders step off him. He is also unselfish for a striker and a real team player.

Basically he has everything in his armoury and a danger man of the highest calibre.

His wage situation would obviously be a personal issue but this summer is extremely important for him as he has less than 2 years left on his current contract with Southampton and is 28 next month and a new manager due in this month his situation may change again.

I very much doubt they will offer him anywhere near what he is on currently at 30 years old. If Burnley came in with a 4 year contract even on half of his current wage it would give him security and he would receive a hefty staying up bonus. The challenge to help his home town club in the Premier League may also help sway his decision although if we went down his wage would be considerably lower.

Speaking romantically its happened before. I remember everyone dissing the rumours in the late 70's that Steve Kindon and Leighton James were on their way back stating the same reasons about wages and actually wanting to play for Burnley as they were seen as players above our station at the time.

If Jay came back and had a game like Kindon did in his first game back I will welcome him home with open arms. Just need a Brian Hall type player as well, maybe Defour could step up to the plate?

KefkaClaret · Post by **KefkaClaret** » Sat Jun 17, 2017 12:41 pm

Rodriguez was a fantastic player and could be playing in one of the top side had he not had that serious injury but he did. Post-injury Rodriguez is no better than Vokes or Gray and nostalgia should never influence a decision.