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Re: Charlie Taylor in talks

Post by dsr » Thu Jun 22, 2017 10:58 pm

claretspice wrote:Did we save more than the extra prize money we'd have banked if he'd been available for and we'd won the game against Swansea, the one which at some stages in the season looked like it might have had the potential to be the difference between survival and relegation? If we saved 4 million by holding out till the end for Hendrick, might that have been a false economy in the end?
Well, if we're using hindsight, what would have been the financial difference if Hendrick had played in the Swansea game and broken his leg and been unavailable for the rest of the season? Factor in the saving of staying up as against relegation, when you're counting the cost of that Swansea defeat.

You never know what would have happened, only what did happen. And what did happen was, IMO, satisfactory.

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Re: Charlie Taylor in talks

Post by KRBFC » Thu Jun 22, 2017 11:02 pm

ClaretTony wrote:Why do you not get involved in our transfer business? You seem to know how to do it far more than Garlick, Baldwin & Dyche combined.

Was Hendrick available ahead of the Swansea game? The word from the club was that he wasn't.

And for what it's worth, had we won our last two games we'd have finished seven places higher.
Obviously Derby were willing to sell Hendrick, him "not being available" means we weren't prepared to pay the fee at the time.

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Re: Charlie Taylor in talks

Post by Jakubclaret » Thu Jun 22, 2017 11:03 pm

Bin Ont Turf wrote:Yes but close to agreeing a deal is far away from actually agreeing a deal.

'If' Robertson has had a whiff of Liverpool in his nostrils then it could be way off.

Picture the future scenario, Robertson hanging on for the more money at Liverpool, Liverpool sign another left back at the end of July/beginning of August.

Robertson decides on Burnley.
You can bet your bottom dollar on that scenario the downside to that though is the longer it drags on there will be more players in the arena for him to choose right now lots of teams haven't spent much & are keeping there cards close to there chest. If it can be done it's better to wrap this 1 up asap.

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Re: Charlie Taylor in talks

Post by KRBFC » Thu Jun 22, 2017 11:04 pm

ClaretTony wrote:No I don't - I just think they are running a club and might know considerably more about it than you although you seem to consider our approach to be totally wrong every single window.
You did post an article criticising the clubs transfer business last summer.....
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Re: Charlie Taylor in talks

Post by Bin Ont Turf » Thu Jun 22, 2017 11:05 pm

boatshed bill wrote:From the little bits I've seen, Grosicki is a bit of what I would call a show-pony....
It's all about opinions.

I agree with that, although I don't think that he's a bad player.

He's direct and has a bit of pace, but he's not as good a footballer as Brady is.

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Re: Charlie Taylor in talks

Post by CharlieinNewMexico » Thu Jun 22, 2017 11:05 pm

back to Ward. I don't have any issues with him if he doesn't start at LB. Perfect squad player. Could play on the left of a back 3, left of a midfield 3, defensive mid, outright left mid, or as Tony said even up top at a push. All places he played at Wolves.

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Re: Charlie Taylor in talks

Post by Rileybobs » Thu Jun 22, 2017 11:12 pm

It takes a proper doughnut to criticise the club for being slow to make transfers more than a week before the transfer window opens. Serious intelligence deficiency.

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Re: Charlie Taylor in talks

Post by ksrclaret » Thu Jun 22, 2017 11:17 pm

Rileybobs wrote:It takes a proper doughnut to criticise the club for being slow to make transfers more than a week before the transfer window opens. Serious intelligence deficiency.
Another example of an intelligence deficiency would be thinking what you've just posted has anything to do with us, or indeed any other club, being able to make signings at this point.

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Re: Charlie Taylor in talks

Post by Rileybobs » Thu Jun 22, 2017 11:22 pm

ksrclaret wrote:Another example of an intelligence deficiency would be thinking what you've just posted has anything to do with us, or indeed any other club, being able to make signings at this point.
Who's to say we haven't agreed deals?

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Re: Charlie Taylor in talks

Post by ClaretTony » Thu Jun 22, 2017 11:24 pm

KRBFC wrote:Obviously Derby were willing to sell Hendrick, him "not being available" means we weren't prepared to pay the fee at the time.
Not so. They weren't prepared to sell him initially and then, when the changed, they were looking for a fee way beyond what we eventually paid.

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Re: Charlie Taylor in talks

Post by ksrclaret » Thu Jun 22, 2017 11:25 pm

Rileybobs wrote:Who's to say we haven't agreed deals?
Erm, well given when a deal is agreed and concluded it's normal procedure to announce it (see the summer transfer sticky for details), I'd say that's unlikely.

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Re: Charlie Taylor in talks

Post by Sidney1st » Thu Jun 22, 2017 11:31 pm

Cleveleys_claret wrote:Tom Cleverley - England International - 8 million
Will Hughes England- U21 International with untapped potential 4.5 million rising to 7 million
Kamel Grosicki - 7 million Polish International..... no difference in impact to that which Brady has had with us yet 6 million cheaper.

Looking at these I would say we have overpaid
Cleverley - last played for England in 2013 wasn't it?
I think we can call him a former England international and most people think he's toss anyway.

Hughes - stagnated in the Championship and considering he was once valued at £15 million I'd say he's in danger of just becoming another average player.
9 league goals in 165 league games would also suggest he's also never going to be that prolific.

Grosicki - still an unknown over here and next season will be interesting for him if he's still at Hull, but I think he was played in his favoured position unlike Brady.

Meanwhile we got Hendrick who has grown as a player with us and seems to be a good fit.

Westwood needs more games, but was a bargain at £5 million, but he's got a fair amount of PL experience.

Brady - needs to be played on the left flank and time to settle, but again a fair amount of PL experience.

Defour - this one is a mystery to all of us, but we didn't overpay for him so no panic.
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Re: Charlie Taylor in talks

Post by Jakubclaret » Thu Jun 22, 2017 11:32 pm

Rileybobs wrote:Who's to say we haven't agreed deals?
I think you can in essence provisionally anyhow. How have Man City signed the benfica goalkeeper?

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Re: Charlie Taylor in talks

Post by Sidney1st » Thu Jun 22, 2017 11:34 pm

Is there a list of which PL clubs have got deals agreed so we can see where we stand?

I think its probably nearly half of the clubs haven't done much yet..

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Re: Charlie Taylor in talks

Post by Cleveleys_claret » Thu Jun 22, 2017 11:38 pm

Please don't think I was taking the proverbials. Just always find myself laughing at autocorrects. Have had the issue myself several times as never re read my posts before posting

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Re: Charlie Taylor in talks

Post by CombatClaret » Thu Jun 22, 2017 11:46 pm

Sidney1st wrote:Is there a list of which PL clubs have got deals agreed so we can see where we stand?

I think its probably nearly half of the clubs haven't done much yet..
http://www.skysports.com/football/transfer-deals" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Burnley, Chelsea, Palace, Huddersfield, Southampton, Swansea, Spurs and West Brom all without a confirmed or agreed transfer in.
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Re: Charlie Taylor in talks

Post by Sidney1st » Thu Jun 22, 2017 11:49 pm

Wasn't a bad guess then.
Although haven't Huddersfield agreed that deal for the midfielder from City they had on loan?

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Re: Charlie Taylor in talks

Post by ksrclaret » Thu Jun 22, 2017 11:49 pm

CombatClaret wrote:http://www.skysports.com/football/transfer-deals

Nothing is official until 1st of July of course.
Burnley, Chelsea, Palace, Huddersfield, Southampton, Swansea, Spurs and West Brom all without a transfer in.
Might be worth adding that Huddersfield (Aaron Mooy) and Swansea (Tammy Abraham) are widely expected to confirm deals when their targets return from international duty.

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Re: Charlie Taylor in talks

Post by KRBFC » Thu Jun 22, 2017 11:49 pm

CombatClaret wrote:http://www.skysports.com/football/transfer-deals

Burnley, Chelsea, Palace, Huddersfield, Southampton, Swansea, Spurs and West Brom all without a confirmed or agreed transfer in.
Huddersfield not signed Mooy?

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Re: Charlie Taylor in talks

Post by Jakubclaret » Thu Jun 22, 2017 11:52 pm

Salah Liverpool? Needs updating I doubt the accuracy.

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Re: Charlie Taylor in talks

Post by Dyched » Thu Jun 22, 2017 11:56 pm

Buying players isn't like buying a twix.

If say Burnley were after a hull player. Hull might not want to sell until they find a replacement. They do. From Reading. But they don't want to sell until they find a replacement. They do. From Bury. And so.

A player may not want to sign for a new club until all clubs interested show an interest. What a shita it would be quickly signing for Burnley only to find out Real Madrid were interested.

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Re: Charlie Taylor in talks

Post by Jakubclaret » Fri Jun 23, 2017 12:00 am

Dyched wrote:Buying players isn't like buying a twix.

If say Burnley were after a hull player. Hull might not want to sell until they find a replacement. They do. From Reading. But they don't want to sell until they find a replacement. They do. From Bury. And so.

A player may not want to sign for a new club until all clubs interested show an interest. What a shita it would be quickly signing for Burnley only to find out Real Madrid were interested.
Exactly it's similar to buying a house there's a chain nobody wants to live in a tent.

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Re: Charlie Taylor in talks

Post by bobinho » Fri Jun 23, 2017 12:23 am

I think most of the frustration stems from individuals perceptions of who THEY think we should be in for.

Player A should be who we are interested in. Oh no! A mid table PL club/relegation rival/championship club have bought him. We've proper blown it there, he would've been great. Too slow Burnley, yet again. (Despite no apparent interest from the club - but let's not let that spoil the argument)

We should all be used to how we go about this.

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Re: Charlie Taylor in talks

Post by claptrappers_union » Fri Jun 23, 2017 2:15 am

Cleveleys_claret wrote: ... Kamel Grosicki - 7 million Polish International.....

Looking at these I would say we have overpaid
The Grosicki deal fell through because his club wanted to up the price at the airport, and we didn't agree to the new fee. If your accusations were to be true, he would be wearing a Burnley shirt now.

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Re: Charlie Taylor in talks

Post by Sleeping Cat » Fri Jun 23, 2017 11:58 am

"Everybody else is signing players except us..... yet again."

Are they?

According to Sky Sports' Done Deals page West Brom, Spurs, Swansea, Southampton, Huddersfield, Palace & Chelsea are all still to sign a single player.

Arsenal, Bournemouth, Stoke, Man Utd, Newcastle, Watford & West Ham have each signed a single player.

Shows that there hasn't actually been that much going on so far.

Don't panic. Plenty of time.

http://www.skysports.com/football/transfer-deals" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

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Re: Charlie Taylor in talks

Post by UpTheBeehole » Fri Jun 23, 2017 12:06 pm

Premier League clubs have agreed over £250m worth of deals already. We haven't agreed 1p

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Re: Charlie Taylor in talks

Post by boatshed bill » Fri Jun 23, 2017 12:07 pm

claretspice wrote:Ridiculous. Are you saying the chairman's approach to business is universally liked and approved within the club, and that you think he's always spot on?

I just posted a bit of balance. Of course we might not have beaten Swansea even if Hendrick had been in the team. But equally, when we got to the end of the transfer window, there wasn't any guarantee our cagey strategy on Hendrick would be any more successful than it was with Stephens or Grosicki. Im not saying the club got anything wrong last summer, but im not sure the strategy was completely vindicated either, and just because it worked out fine last season, it doesn't mean the same template is correct this summer.
If we'd beaten Swansea (with or without Hendrick, it's irrelevant) the players would have taken their collective foot off the gas a game earlier...same points total.

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Re: Charlie Taylor in talks

Post by Sleeping Cat » Fri Jun 23, 2017 12:12 pm

"Premier League clubs have agreed over £250m worth of deals already. We haven't agreed 1p"

Money spent means nothing. That 250 could actually be on 2/3 players these days. Even then money spent does not always = a good/successful player/club relationship. You're also disregarding free transfers by only focusing on money spent, so as a comparison method for transfer activity, money spent is pointless.

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Re: Charlie Taylor in talks

Post by ClaretAL » Fri Jun 23, 2017 12:13 pm

Signing early does not mean success, look at Middlesbrough. I love how this time every year, everyone knows more than those emplyed to deliver. God help us wheb the window actually opens.

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Re: Charlie Taylor in talks

Post by FactualFrank » Fri Jun 23, 2017 12:39 pm

ClaretAL wrote:God help us wheb the window actually opens.
I thought it opened 2 weeks ago?

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Re: Charlie Taylor in talks

Post by UpTheBeehole » Fri Jun 23, 2017 12:43 pm

Rileybobs wrote:It takes a proper doughnut to criticise the club for being slow to make transfers more than a week before the transfer window opens. Serious intelligence deficiency.
The transfer window opened on Friday 9 June.

Serious intelligence deficiency of your own there pal.

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Re: Charlie Taylor in talks

Post by 1914tyrone » Fri Jun 23, 2017 12:44 pm

Would be nice to have a squad assembled for pre season, gives that extra gel time. Which from my point of view is vital. Lines of Hendrick and Brady need time to get used to set up, style and wave lengh

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Re: Charlie Taylor in talks

Post by KRBFC » Fri Jun 23, 2017 12:44 pm

As long as we get the right players in, It doesn't matter how long it takes. Id rather us get a Hendrick/Brady on deadline day than a Juke/Sordell/Gilks/Reid/Taylor before preseason.

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Re: Charlie Taylor in talks

Post by jlup1980 » Fri Jun 23, 2017 12:50 pm

Sleeping Cat wrote:Don't panic. Plenty of time.
I think some on here already have their panic buttons out!!

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Re: Charlie Taylor in talks

Post by Jimscho » Fri Jun 23, 2017 12:51 pm

As far as I can see the window officially opens on 1st July as it does every year so please show me where it says it opens on 9th June.
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Re: Charlie Taylor in talks

Post by ExistentialWanderer » Fri Jun 23, 2017 12:59 pm

People need to stop panicking. It isn't officially open but players can sign pre-contract agreements. I am sure we'll see movement over the coming weeks.

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Re: Charlie Taylor in talks

Post by Guller Bull » Fri Jun 23, 2017 1:00 pm

KRBFC wrote:As long as we get the right players in, It doesn't matter how long it takes. Id rather us get a Hendrick/Brady on deadline day than a Juke/Sordell/Gilks/Reid/Taylor before preseason.
I am hoping that Brady comes good but at the moment he is much more likely in the second group. :(

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Re: Charlie Taylor in talks

Post by BigChaCha » Fri Jun 23, 2017 1:05 pm

Most sources say the transfer window opens in England on July the 1st apart from Sky for some reason who say it's June the 9th lol

I'm sure some clubs have already signed players haven't they?

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Re: Charlie Taylor in talks

Post by UpTheBeehole » Fri Jun 23, 2017 1:07 pm

Jimscho wrote:As far as I can see the window officially opens on 1st July as it does every year so please show me where it says it opens on 9th June.
From the Premier League's very own website...
The summer transfer window usually opens on June 10 and closes at 11pm BST on the final day of August. These dates may slightly vary from year to year.
This year it opened on 9 June.

https://www.premierleague.com/transfers
https://www.premierleague.com/transfers/summer

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Re: Charlie Taylor in talks

Post by UpTheBeehole » Fri Jun 23, 2017 1:09 pm

It's this kind of assumed 'knowledge' which leads to things like Brexit. People fighting their corner, so confident that they're right, when they're fully wrong.

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Re: Charlie Taylor in talks

Post by ExistentialWanderer » Fri Jun 23, 2017 1:15 pm

UpTheBeehole wrote:It's this kind of assumed 'knowledge' which leads to things like Brexit. People fighting their corner, so confident that they're right, when they're fully wrong.
But they're not. A player can sign for a club whenever they like, or at least give a verbal agreement. They just can't register it until July. It doesn't matter which way you cut the mustard. They're not officially signed until 1st July.

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Re: Charlie Taylor in talks

Post by UpTheBeehole » Fri Jun 23, 2017 1:17 pm

So why haven't we signed anyone? It's not because the window isn't open, as some were claiming

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Re: Charlie Taylor in talks

Post by Jimscho » Fri Jun 23, 2017 1:20 pm

UpTheBeehole wrote:It's this kind of assumed 'knowledge' which leads to things like Brexit. People fighting their corner, so confident that they're right, when they're fully wrong.
If you google transfer window you will notice newspapers and BBC say the window opens on 1st July.It wasn't assumed knowledge on my part it was as a result of reading reports on BBC website and in newspapers.Maybe as your such an expert you should contact them all and put them straight.

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Re: Charlie Taylor in talks

Post by Jimscho » Fri Jun 23, 2017 1:22 pm

UpTheBeehole wrote:So why haven't we signed anyone? It's not because the window isn't open, as some were claiming
You really are up your own Beehole aren't you.

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Post by UpTheBeehole » Fri Jun 23, 2017 1:22 pm

But that's also the problem - you're going off what newspapers are telling you, not what the actual source is telling you.

That's exactly how the Daily Mail, Express, Sun etc spun yarns for years and years, and people voted to leave. Because people are too lazy to find out the real answers.

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Re: Charlie Taylor in talks

Post by Guich » Fri Jun 23, 2017 1:23 pm

UpTheBeehole wrote:It's this kind of assumed 'knowledge' which leads to things like Brexit. People fighting their corner, so confident that they're right, when they're fully wrong.
AAAAAAAGGGGHHHHHH! I'm leaving the political threads alone because they are so full of opinionated, blinkered pants it's getting critically tiresome.

Then I come on a footy thread and see this! For crying out loud :roll:
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Re: Charlie Taylor in talks

Post by UpTheBeehole » Fri Jun 23, 2017 1:24 pm

I have shown you where it says the window opens in early June, like you asked. Why are you even continuing with this?

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Re: Charlie Taylor in talks

Post by ExistentialWanderer » Fri Jun 23, 2017 1:26 pm

UpTheBeehole wrote:So why haven't we signed anyone? It's not because the window isn't open, as some were claiming
Who says we haven't? You know how Burnley signings go. We do things behind the scenes. For all we know we may have signed two or three. We just don't make a song and dance about it. As has been stated by the club, we probably won't get most of our first choices. We're not in a position, even with our increased fortunes to match most clubs, some even in the Championship. I'd rather we went slowly, slowly catchy monkey than spunk money on a player to appease restless fans.
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Re: Charlie Taylor in talks

Post by RingoMcCartney » Fri Jun 23, 2017 1:29 pm

UpTheBeehole wrote:But that's also the problem - you're going off what newspapers are telling you, not what the actual source is telling you.

That's exactly how the Daily Mail, Express, Sun etc spun yarns for years and years, and people voted to leave. Because people are too lazy to find out the real answers.

Are you imploding turtle?

He has a reputation for logging in / out and having multiple user names.

Your just as pedantic ! ;)

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Re: Charlie Taylor in talks

Post by Socrates » Fri Jun 23, 2017 1:31 pm

RingoMcCartney wrote:Are you imploding turtle?

He has a reputation for logging in / out and having multiple user names.

Your just as pedantic ! ;)
*you're
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