Defour to stay put?

taio · Post by **taio** » Mon Jul 03, 2017 2:16 pm

I think the problem is Dyche doesn't trust him centrally in a 442 and him playing on the left certainly isn't the answer

Rileybobs · Post by **Rileybobs** » Mon Jul 03, 2017 2:19 pm

taio wrote:I think the problem is Dyche doesn't trust him centrally in a 442 and him playing on the left certainly isn't the answer

That as well. But if he can't complete the duration of a game then that's 1 enforced substitution down before we've even kicked off. That puts us at a disadvantage and particularly so if he's one of a midfield two.

KRBFC · Post by **KRBFC** » Mon Jul 03, 2017 2:20 pm

bumba wrote:Or confirms that unless he's the main man and most important player then he won't be happy.

What do unhappy players do?

Get the hump an feign injury.

If defour wanted to play so badly and had the right attitude dyche would of picked him.

His agent isn't going to tell the truth that his player spat his dummy out whilst clearly trying to get him a move elsewhere.

Hes unhappy because he hasn't been playing, why on earth would an unhappy player feign injury when the reason hes unhappy is because he isn't playing games.

taio · Post by **taio** » Mon Jul 03, 2017 2:23 pm

I'm happy that Defour is unhappy at not playing regularly enough. He'd be getting hammered if he was just sitting comfortably picking up his wage.

claretdom · Post by **claretdom** » Mon Jul 03, 2017 2:28 pm

Something clearly doesn't add up though. Some have him down as a better than anything they have ever seen in football and while it he has been common knowledge he is available only 1 side in the whole of Europe seem to fancy him on the understanding we pay most of his wage and they don't buy him.

Must be some reason why so little interest in him.

KRBFC · Post by **KRBFC** » Mon Jul 03, 2017 2:33 pm

claretdom wrote:Something clearly doesn't add up though. Some have him down as a better than anything they have ever seen in football and while it he has been common knowledge he is available only 1 side in the whole of Europe seem to fancy him on the understanding we pay most of his wage and they don't buy him.

Must be some reason why so little interest in him.

Injury record and the fact he cant get in our team when fit probably two reasons.

keith1879 · Post by **keith1879** » Mon Jul 03, 2017 3:02 pm

Claretmatt4 wrote:Funny really, when I watch him in his pomp I think 'wow, that is worth the entrance fee'

When he scored against Bristol it was definitely worth the cost of the cup ticket. I bought a season ticket and expect more than the odd moment of brilliance in league games. But this is beside the point - I pay to watch the team and Defour sadly has not really been a team player - if he does stay then I hope we see a very different and more committed player. It can happen and I hope it does.

Belgianclaret · Post by **Belgianclaret** » Mon Jul 03, 2017 3:17 pm

Basically confirms what he said all along. He was happy to come to Burnley, loves the fans, but if he can't get a game its no use.
Not saying he deserves to be granted an automatic starting place, but the gaffer would play a blinder if he could give him a little more trust and set up the team to accommodate him in his best position, CM playmaker. I believe we are a much better team with him than without him, and will not be able to buy another player of the same ilk for that money.
The following statement seems to sum up the situation:
"If a manager gives you confidence, the player is always different, so we will wait and see. "We have a great relationship with the board and know the situation, if something happens, it has to be good for everybody, we respect each other's demands."

Steve-Harpers-perm · Post by **Steve-Harpers-perm** » Mon Jul 03, 2017 3:27 pm

His agent seems to really enjoy giving interviews.

IanMcL · Post by **IanMcL** » Mon Jul 03, 2017 3:30 pm

Get him Dyche fit and go from there!

KRBFC · Post by **KRBFC** » Mon Jul 03, 2017 4:35 pm

keith1879 wrote:When he scored against Bristol it was definitely worth the cost of the cup ticket. I bought a season ticket and expect more than the odd moment of brilliance in league games. But this is beside the point - I pay to watch the team and Defour sadly has not really been a team player - if he does stay then I hope we see a very different and more committed player. It can happen and I hope it does.

Where does this lack of commitment come from? He says he wants to play games, how is that lacking commitment?

Spijed · Post by **Spijed** » Mon Jul 03, 2017 6:03 pm

A fully fit Defour, playing well, is probably better than any midfielder outside the top six clubs.

And he'd probably give many of the better ones a run for their money.

Walt · Post by **Walt** » Mon Jul 03, 2017 6:15 pm

He clearly is talented but to drastically change our formation/style to suit him could be too radical in a league as ruthless as the Premier League. We need to evolve slowly and play to our strengths.

A shame though as it will mean we won't see the best of him and he probably will be sold in my opinion.

Dark Cloud · Post by **Dark Cloud** » Mon Jul 03, 2017 9:17 pm

We could potentially save ourselves a shed load of money if Defour and SD can somehow find some common ground, bury the hatchet (if there really is one) and get him playing regularly. If he goes and we recoup our money, we're still looking at a lot more cash for a decent replacement.

PutTheWheelieBinsOut · Post by **PutTheWheelieBinsOut** » Mon Jul 03, 2017 9:22 pm

Walt wrote:He clearly is talented but to drastically change our formation/style to suit him could be too radical in a league as ruthless as the Premier League. We need to evolve slowly and play to our strengths.

A shame though as it will mean we won't see the best of him and he probably will be sold in my opinion.

Why do we need to drastically change our formation? Defour featured in 9 of our 11 wins as previously stated, our win rate with Defour in the team was 42% without him in the team it was 10%. We just need him on the pitch!

Walt · Post by **Walt** » Mon Jul 03, 2017 10:00 pm

Maybe drastically was a bit strong but despite those stats we haven't seen anywhere near the best of Defour on a regular basis. To allow him or any other type of creative player to thrive consistently I believe we need to move away from the current style of play and be more expansive.

I don't think we have the quality all over the pitch to allow us to do this successfully. We have had a very good season sticking to what suits the bulk of our players.

Who knows Dyche may have other ideas and look to sign players to change his approach. Guess time will tell I just don't see it being this season.

Walt · Post by **Walt** » Mon Jul 03, 2017 10:02 pm

Cant remember who said it, could have been Garlick. Evolution rather than revolution and I agree.

Melbourneclaret · Post by **Melbourneclaret** » Mon Jul 03, 2017 10:06 pm

Walt wrote:Cant remember who said it, could have been Garlick. Evolution rather than revolution and I agree.

We need to evolve rather than......revolve

Nonayforever · Post by **Nonayforever** » Mon Jul 03, 2017 10:24 pm

Reading the article re his agents take on the situation, I would say Defour was more than happy to come to the Premier league & accept his pot of cash but not willing to put in his part of the bargain, namely graft, willingness, team member not team star.
No other team will buy him, that's obvious by the complete lack of interest in him, the best option will be a loan move abroad.
He won't change this coming season, which may cause rifts with other players but the saving grace is he is on his own and hasn't got a group of other players who he can influence and drag down with his woeful outlook.

ablueclaret · Post by **ablueclaret** » Mon Jul 03, 2017 11:04 pm

Defour needs to go.

ablueclaret · Post by **ablueclaret** » Mon Jul 03, 2017 11:22 pm

If we played three at the back or a holding midfielder we could play him.

If he is to stay he has to be the heart of the side, and the side built around hm, if not he needs to move on.

Tall Paul · Post by **Tall Paul** » Mon Jul 03, 2017 11:26 pm

Twenty minutes to change your mind must be a record.

CharlieinNewMexico · Post by **CharlieinNewMexico** » Mon Jul 03, 2017 11:52 pm

ablueclaret wrote:If we played three at the back or a holding midfielder we could play him.

If he is to stay he has to be the heart of the side, and the side built around hm, if not he needs to move on.

Drop him back to a Beckenbauer style prompting sweeper role. Push your man Tarks forward into holding mid

bumba · Post by **bumba** » Thu Jul 06, 2017 2:12 pm

KRBFC wrote:Hes unhappy because he hasn't been playing, why on earth would an unhappy player feign injury when the reason hes unhappy is because he isn't playing games.

He's unhappy because he doesn't wanna be at Burnley, he can't go round publicly declaring he feigned injury because he wants to leave, other clubs wouldn't touch him if he did.
Only one interested club so far tells you a lot about a players character when clubs won't touch him when his ability is abundantly clear

ExistentialWanderer · Post by **ExistentialWanderer** » Thu Jul 06, 2017 2:16 pm

bumba wrote:He's unhappy because he doesn't wanna be at Burnley, he can't go round publicly declaring he feigned injury because he wants to leave, other clubs wouldn't touch him if he did.
Only one interested club so far tells you a lot about a players character when clubs won't touch him when his ability is abundantly clear

You just contradicted yourself.

jlup1980 · Post by **jlup1980** » Thu Jul 06, 2017 5:07 pm

I'd love to see him given freedom in a 451 / 4411 formation behind a quick striker like Gray or Assombalonga. His ability on the ball is a class above anything else we have.

Heaton
Lowton Tarky Mee Taylor
Walters Westwood Hendrick Brady
Defour
Gray

LoveCurryPies · Post by **LoveCurryPies** » Thu Jul 06, 2017 5:10 pm

I'd like to see the guy given more playing time this season.

SGr · Post by **SGr** » Thu Jul 06, 2017 5:12 pm

I hope he stays and I hope we start him. Quality quality player.

jurek · Post by **jurek** » Thu Jul 06, 2017 5:17 pm

I hope he stays and plays. He might need to get others interested in him.
Just hope if he does go it's overseas and not to a competitor.
Would hate for him to come back to the Turf and play well against us.

Reecey1987 · Post by **Reecey1987** » Thu Jul 06, 2017 5:26 pm

I think dyche will give him a full pre season and see how he manages . If he doesnt think he can reach the fitness levels required he will most likely get shut

KRBFC · Post by **KRBFC** » Wed Jul 19, 2017 12:02 am

bumba wrote:He's unhappy because he doesn't wanna be at Burnley, he can't go round publicly declaring he feigned injury because he wants to leave, other clubs wouldn't touch him if he did.
Only one interested club so far tells you a lot about a players character when clubs won't touch him when his ability is abundantly clear

You're talking out of your arse tbh. Where's the proof he has ever feigned injury? Hes unhappy because he doesn't want to be at Burnley because he isn't playing, hes said so himself. He enjoyed it here and was happy until he wasn't picked to play, its not difficult to understand.

Newcastleclaret93 · Post by **Newcastleclaret93** » Wed Jul 19, 2017 6:24 am

Defours wife has also posted on social media.
She posted a picture of Defour in a Burnley kit and stated something along the lines of 'I wish you a very good season and that the best and no doubt in any of your talent! You are for me one of the best players, and even if in this world we go through ups and downs, whatever happens your talent is. Your daughter and I will always be at your side to support you and are very proud of you. We love you with unconditional love, thank you for making us the women of your life'

Looks to a be a cryptic way of saying he is staying at Burnley

Burnley Ace · Post by **Burnley Ace** » Wed Jul 19, 2017 6:51 am

What a lovely declaration, if he does leave it won't be because of a lack of support from the fans, everyone wants to see him at his best.

Lord Beamish · Post by **Lord Beamish** » Wed Jul 19, 2017 6:54 am

Newcastleclaret93 wrote:Defours wife has also posted on social media.
She posted a picture of Defour in a Burnley kit and stated something along the lines of 'I wish you a very good season and that the best and no doubt in any of your talent! You are for me one of the best players, and even if in this world we go through ups and downs, whatever happens your talent is. Your daughter and I will always be at your side to support you and are very proud of you. We love you with unconditional love, thank you for making us the women of your life'

Looks to a be a cryptic way of saying he is staying at Burnley

Win, Rocky; win!

bumba · Post by **bumba** » Wed Jul 19, 2017 7:20 am

KRBFC wrote:You're talking out of your arse tbh. Where's the proof he has ever feigned injury? Hes unhappy because he doesn't want to be at Burnley because he isn't playing, hes said so himself. He enjoyed it here and was happy until he wasn't picked to play, its not difficult to understand.

The reason he kept getting dropped was because he was always 'injured'

bumba · Post by **bumba** » Wed Jul 19, 2017 7:22 am

Newcastleclaret93 wrote:Defours wife has also posted on social media.
She posted a picture of Defour in a Burnley kit and stated something along the lines of 'I wish you a very good season and that the best and no doubt in any of your talent! You are for me one of the best players, and even if in this world we go through ups and downs, whatever happens your talent is. Your daughter and I will always be at your side to support you and are very proud of you. We love you with unconditional love, thank you for making us the women of your life'

Looks to a be a cryptic way of saying he is staying at Burnley

women of his life, he's snapchatting half the girls in Burnley

WestMidsClaret · Post by **WestMidsClaret** » Wed Jul 19, 2017 8:29 am

: rofl.gif (6.96 MiB) Viewed 3693 times

MarkGreen · Post by **MarkGreen** » Wed Jul 19, 2017 8:47 am

Newcastleclaret93 wrote:Defours wife has also posted on social media.
She posted a picture of Defour in a Burnley kit and stated something along the lines of 'I wish you a very good season and that the best and no doubt in any of your talent! You are for me one of the best players, and even if in this world we go through ups and downs, whatever happens your talent is. Your daughter and I will always be at your side to support you and are very proud of you. We love you with unconditional love, thank you for making us the women of your life'

Looks to a be a cryptic way of saying he is staying at Burnley

Not sure if this has also been mentioned, but Defour also posted this last night around the same time!

: Capture.JPG (58.25 KiB) Viewed 3634 times

Blackrod · Post by **Blackrod** » Wed Jul 19, 2017 8:52 am

Doesn't suit a 442. Looked class in changed system at home. Some of his movement is worth the entrance fee alone. I want to see more of him. I don't think he is ever going to be a bunch of smiles as it's not his persona.

IanMcL · Post by **IanMcL** » Wed Jul 19, 2017 9:01 am

He provided a couple of the highlights of last season. I hope he is fit, focussed and full of running for the coming season.

ClaretTony · Post by **ClaretTony** » Wed Jul 19, 2017 9:03 am

It was a friendly against a League of Ireland side, no more, and it was our first game back in pre-season, but he really did look as if he wanted to play last Friday night and he stood out in that first half just as Robbie Brady did in the second half.

He undoubtedly has quality but time will tell. I was told on Monday that the situation with him might have changed. I know tweets don't mean anything but added to what I was told suggests he might be staying with us. Whether this is a change of mind from him or whether he hasn't been able to find the move he wanted, I don't know.

3putt · Post by **3putt** » Wed Jul 19, 2017 9:05 am

No good having 11 super fit clones. Every team has it's best players and you should look to build around them in my opinion.

If Defour stays and SD decides to play him in his best position, it will be the equivalent of making a great new signing for the coming season.

We are lucky to have a player of his ability and talent at Burnley, really hope we can take advantage this season.

NottsClaret · Post by **NottsClaret** » Wed Jul 19, 2017 9:09 am

As no concrete offers have materialised this summer, hopefully he's thinking about earning himself one more move if he stars for us. That'll suit everyone.

He's definitely a player you enjoy watching, while he's out there.

Steve1956 · Post by **Steve1956** » Wed Jul 19, 2017 9:11 am

Fantastic news if he's committed to the cause, up to Dyche to trust him now,our best player bar none.

ablueclaret · Post by **ablueclaret** » Wed Jul 19, 2017 9:14 am

If the goal is to WIN matches rather than to eek out points Defour has to be the player you build the side around, but I fancy SD is not about to change his method, prepare for a dour slog.

RocketLawnChair · Post by **RocketLawnChair** » Wed Jul 19, 2017 9:21 am

Not so sure about the right move hasn't materialised comments, the transfer window still as six weeks to run, my wife could pick a handbag in that time so that's a long time

I do think people presume a lot on these threads. I personally think their isn't much wrong with Dyche and Defours professional relationship and we've struggled to get him to the fitness level we require and likewise he's struggled to get there. For all we know both parties may have agreed that this would be an important pre season for Defour and he's bought into it.

ablueclaret · Post by **ablueclaret** » Wed Jul 19, 2017 9:25 am

What people forget is that by and large footballers like to play football they don't want to be on the sidelines.
I would imagine Defour has given Dyche his own ultimatum play me or lose me, and at his age with his experience that is exactly what he should be saying.

RocketLawnChair · Post by **RocketLawnChair** » Wed Jul 19, 2017 9:29 am

ablueclaret wrote:If the goal is to WIN matches rather than to eek out points Defour has to be the player you build the side around, but I fancy SD is not about to change his method, prepare for a dour slog.

Dyche is more likely to change his method of play than you are changing the method of you're posts.

I admit I find some of Dyche's football dull but I find you're posts a hell of a lot duller.

ablueclaret · Post by **ablueclaret** » Wed Jul 19, 2017 9:30 am

Always trying to please Rocketman.

Sleeping Cat · Post by **Sleeping Cat** » Wed Jul 19, 2017 10:42 am

"What people forget is that by and large footballers like to play football they don't want to be on the sidelines.
I would imagine Defour has given Dyche his own ultimatum play me or lose me, and at his age with his experience that is exactly what he should be saying."

I agree with your first sentence ABC,I thought Defour always looked upset to be taken off & equally when the match passed by and he didn;t make an appearance. For me he want to show people what he can do and to do that, he has to be on the pitch. You want that desire and drive in a player to want to play. All the stuff about feigning injury is bull. If a player feigned injury with Dyche, he would be out of the door ages ago. the minimum reuqirement is 100% effort etc etc.

I disagree with your second statement though ABC. I doubt any player going to Dyche with an ultimatum would be able to persuade Dyche to do anything. Dyche is very pragmatic and gives players the chance. I believe the opposite happened, they sat down and talked it through. No ultimatum from either, an adult conversation about any problems which may exist.

Treacy & Barton, two difficult characters have both attested Dyche's man management skills. He treats players with respect but he also commands it back.