Walters fee agreed

Hipper · Post by **Hipper** » Wed Jul 05, 2017 4:28 pm

I like this signing. We need these sort of players - steady Premier League types coming from steady Premier teams - to build a stronger team.

We were talking about Charlie Adam last season - he's another I'd like to see here. Craig Dawson... I see nothing wrong with going with these sorts of players for the next two or three years as we try to find our feet. Imagine how our lesser experienced players like Brady and Hendrick can learn from them.

Guller Bull · Post by **Guller Bull** » Wed Jul 05, 2017 4:29 pm

Will be really happy with this if it goes through!

DAVETHEVICAR · Post by **DAVETHEVICAR** » Wed Jul 05, 2017 4:30 pm

Excellent signing

BFC88 · Post by **BFC88** » Wed Jul 05, 2017 4:31 pm

I can't believe anybody could be disappointed with this signing, for the fee mentioned I think it's a great deal. Walters has a lot of premier league experience and he's still better than what a lot of people think. Decent business this. Hope we go in for the double swoop with Charlie Adam

Rileybobs · Post by **Rileybobs** » Wed Jul 05, 2017 4:32 pm

Hipper wrote:I like this signing. We need these sort of players - steady Premier League types coming from steady Premier teams - to build a stronger team.

We were talking about Charlie Adam last season - he's another I'd like to see here. Craig Dawson... I see nothing wrong with going with these sorts of players for the next two or three years as we try to find our feet. Imagine how our lesser experienced players like Brady and Hendrick can learn from them.

Agree entirely. I'd take Adam and Dawson in a heart beat. These unfashionable British and Irish players with boring names, safe hair cuts and no tattoos tend to go under the radar.

lrac · Post by **lrac** » Wed Jul 05, 2017 4:35 pm

Rileybobs wrote:Agree entirely. I'd take Adam and Dawson in a heart beat. These unfashionable British and Irish players with boring names, safe hair cuts and no tattoos tend to go under the radar.

Trips did ok .

Rileybobs · Post by **Rileybobs** » Wed Jul 05, 2017 4:36 pm

lrac wrote:Trips did ok .

Trippier has at least one full sleeve and a surname that can be pronounced in a French accent. He's destined for the very top.

tim_noone · Post by **tim_noone** » Wed Jul 05, 2017 4:37 pm

KefkaClaret wrote:So we've swapped from Boyd and Arfield to Walters and Arfield. Good to see us keeping with the hoof ball style.

Remember how far we have travelled.we needed a leader on the pitch...he's a perfect fit IMO .

ElectroClaret · Post by **ElectroClaret** » Wed Jul 05, 2017 4:38 pm

BFC88 wrote:I can't believe anybody could be disappointed with this signing.....

You haven't been coming on here very long, have you?

claretbob · Post by **claretbob** » Wed Jul 05, 2017 4:39 pm

He looked pretty good a month ago scoring a belter against Austria and scored a decent effort against us last season. It's impossible for us to look further than next season and 17th place and any Burnley fan who thinks otherwise is deluded.As such Jonathan Walters looks a cracking signing in the mould of a Joey Barton or Kevin Ball and it's telling that Stoke fans seem genuinely sad to see him leave. He's not just an Irish international he's also a scouser so ticks the northern box as well!

evensteadiereddie · Post by **evensteadiereddie** » Wed Jul 05, 2017 4:41 pm

I'll never forget his part in the FA Cup semi-final demolition job on Bolton. Anything near that will do me.

Dublin7Claret · Post by **Dublin7Claret** » Wed Jul 05, 2017 4:42 pm

It's a yes from me

Sutton-Claret · Post by **Sutton-Claret** » Wed Jul 05, 2017 4:42 pm

His middle name is Ronald........

tim_noone · Post by **tim_noone** » Wed Jul 05, 2017 4:43 pm

jrgbfc wrote:Do we really need another ageing, hard working scrapper?

At this moment in time...yes.

TsarBomba · Post by **TsarBomba** » Wed Jul 05, 2017 4:43 pm

Rileybobs wrote:Dyche's prioritising of fitness and running ability (if that's what you believe) has taken us to our highest finish in god knows how long. So yes, it might only get us so far, but that's further than we've been in my lifetime.

Also, I don't see the issue with benching a player who was not physically fit enough to compete for 90 minutes. As you put it, a semi professional team should be fit as a minimum requirement. Defour didn't meet that minimum requirement.

If course, we also need to add some more creative ability into the side, and I'm sure we will but naturally these players are harder to find and harder to sign - as such we're likely to be waiting a little further into the transfer window before we sign them.

I entirely disagree that Walters doesn't have a wider range of talents than we currently have. I'd say he probably has a wider range of talents than the vast majority of our current squad.

There's a difference between being fit, and then being able to put in the type of shift Boyd or Marney can put in.

Defour is fit. He's getting picked for the Belgium national team for gods sake. There is absolutely no chance Martinez, with the breadth of talent at his disposal, would pick Defour if he didn't think he was fit.

Defour will never be able to run upwards of 10k a game. He is not that sort of player. He has never been asked to do that in his career, he's now late twenties, and playing in the most physical league in the world.

It's lunacy to bench players because they can't compete for 90 minutes. By doing this, you completely overlook what other qualities they have.

There are few players that can compete for 90 minutes, every game. I don't want a team that just competes for 90 minutes. Is David Silva benched because he can't compete for 90 minutes? No, he is brought on, or off, when the circumstances dictate.

It's a squad game. Different players, for different occasions, either starting or coming on as a sub to affect the game in their own way. Dyche hasn't learned how to do this yet, and would rather a player, as you put it, that competes for 90 minutes, which will only get us so far.

BFC88 · Post by **BFC88** » Wed Jul 05, 2017 4:43 pm

ElectroClaret wrote:You haven't been coming on here very long, have you?

True

I CAN believe it actually.

BennyD · Post by **BennyD** » Wed Jul 05, 2017 4:45 pm

A great signing. A Stokie mate of mine is really sorry to see him go and said he thought, despite the nay Sayers on here, that he would do really well for us. For once I agreed with him.

ablueclaret · Post by **ablueclaret** » Wed Jul 05, 2017 4:47 pm

I remain deeply unimpressed, the antithesis of the type of signing we need.

KefkaClaret · Post by **KefkaClaret** » Wed Jul 05, 2017 4:48 pm

tim_noone wrote:Remember how far we have travelled.we needed a leader on the pitch...he's a perfect fit IMO .

Whilst I agree we need a leader I feel if we start with Arfield and Walters we will have the same problems we had with Boyd and Arfield.

Rileybobs · Post by **Rileybobs** » Wed Jul 05, 2017 4:49 pm

TsarBomba wrote:There's a difference between being fit, and then being able to put in the type of shift Boyd or Marney can put in.

Defour is fit. He's getting picked for the Belgian national team for gods sake. There is absolutely no chance Martinez, with the breadth of talent at his disposal, would pick Defour if he didn't think he was fit.

Defour will never be able to run upwards of 10k a game. He is not that sort of player. He has never been asked to do that in his career, he's now late twenties, and playing in the most physical league in the world.

It's lunacy to bench players because they can't compete for 90 minutes. By doing this, you completely overlook what other qualities they have.

There are few players that can compete for 90 minutes, every game. I don't want a team that just competes for 90 minutes. Is David Silva benched because he can't compete for 90 minutes? No, he is brought on, or off, when the circumstances dictate.

It's a squad game. Different players, for different occasions, either starting or coming on as a sub to affect the game in their own way. Dyche hasn't learned how to do this yet, and would rather a player, as you put it, that competes for 90 minutes, which will only get us so far.

How can there only be a few players who can compete for 90 minutes when we had 8 players who did that every game last season?

And comparing the situation with Man City and David Silva is ridiculous. Mainly because they will always have the lion's share of possession and also because they're so good they can generally afford to utilise luxury players.

Having said that if David Silva was a Burnley player I'm certain that Dyche would accommodate him. Unfortunately Steven Defour isn't David Silva.

ablueclaret · Post by **ablueclaret** » Wed Jul 05, 2017 4:53 pm

34 year old striker says it all, are we back in the Championship or planning for it.

SGr · Post by **SGr** » Wed Jul 05, 2017 4:53 pm

Pointless, pointless signing. Would be even worse if we now stopped pursuing Assombalonga, a striker who actually scored goals.

Working_Class_Zero · Post by **Working_Class_Zero** » Wed Jul 05, 2017 4:56 pm

dermotdermot wrote:

Obviously has some form.

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Sidney1st · Post by **Sidney1st** » Wed Jul 05, 2017 4:57 pm

Striker who plays across the front...so something different to what we have.

The signing doesn't thrill me, but i can understand it.

Selby Claret · Post by **Selby Claret** » Wed Jul 05, 2017 4:57 pm

ablueclaret wrote:34 year old striker says it all, are we back in the Championship or planning for it.

Your ignorance says it all:

1) he's 33
2) he's not a 'striker' (in the Andre Gray sense) at all - but if you get all your PL knowledge from Panini sticker albums and Wikipedia then fair enough I suppose
3) No we're in the Premier League - same as he has been for the last seven years

fidelcastro · Post by **fidelcastro** » Wed Jul 05, 2017 4:58 pm

ablueclaret wrote:34 year old striker says it all, are we back in the Championship or planning for it.

Nothing like giving players a chance, is there?

Selby Claret · Post by **Selby Claret** » Wed Jul 05, 2017 5:01 pm

Working_Class_Zero wrote:
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Walters seems to have grown a 'Voldemort' style second rear-facing head with an uncanny resemblance to Boydy......!

TsarBomba · Post by **TsarBomba** » Wed Jul 05, 2017 5:03 pm

Rileybobs wrote:How can there only be a few players who can compete for 90 minutes when we had 8 players who did that every game last season?

And comparing the situation with Man City and David Silva is ridiculous. Mainly because they will always have the lion's share of possession and also because they're so good they can generally afford to utilise luxury players.

Having said that if David Silva was a Burnley player I'm certain that Dyche would accommodate him. Unfortunately Steven Defour isn't David Silva.

And out of those 8, how many were the back 5?

Yes, there are few players that can compete for 90 minutes in the PL. That's properly competing, not just staying on the field for the 90 every game, and looking shot by the final whistle.

Edit- How many late goals did we concede last year? In both halves? I would say quite a few. At times, our midfield was completely non existent at the end of games. Players like Barton may have been on for 90 minutes, but certainly weren't 'competing'.

CombatClaret · Post by **CombatClaret** » Wed Jul 05, 2017 5:03 pm

TsarBomba wrote:Defour is fit. He's getting picked for the Belgium national team for gods sake. There is absolutely no chance Martinez, with the breadth of talent at his disposal, would pick Defour if he didn't think he was fit.

When was the last time Defour actually played for Belgium? Honest question.
The last game I can find him being involved in was in November 2016 in Belgium's 8-1 win over Estonia where Defour was an unsued sub.

I can find 44mins in the 2014 world cup.

NickBFC · Post by **NickBFC** » Wed Jul 05, 2017 5:05 pm

Steady, if unspectacular signing. Good experience, works hard and certainly fits our 'framework'. At this stage we need to obviously cement our place at this level for the longer term - this sort of player represents a much smaller gamble than a high profile foreign signing and should hopefully give us a better chance of staying up again. The club needs to build slowly but surely so I *get* this signing.

tim_noone · Post by **tim_noone** » Wed Jul 05, 2017 5:10 pm

KefkaClaret wrote:Whilst I agree we need a leader I feel if we start with Arfield and Walters we will have the same problems we had with Boyd and Arfield.

I didn't see any problems and don't foresee any this time around. Burnley is a job in progress. I trust sd and the board to get it right.

hampsteadclaret · Post by **hampsteadclaret** » Wed Jul 05, 2017 5:11 pm

blueclaret please go somewhere else.
your constant negativity, whatever we do, gets me down...I read a post and I think...I know who that is - I look across and yes it's you.

- constantly critical, rarely spotting the positives and all from a viewpoint of never actually going to Turf Moor...in the circumstances, all things considered in 2017 - WE ARE DOING REALLY WELL.

- why don't you see that?

iluva64 · Post by **iluva64** » Wed Jul 05, 2017 5:12 pm

Anyone got a thread to confirm we have done a deal?

I can't find one

Blackrod · Post by **Blackrod** » Wed Jul 05, 2017 5:13 pm

Grafter and a Dyche type player. Has looked good in the PL when I have seen him play. A no brainer at that fee.

The Enclosure · Post by **The Enclosure** » Wed Jul 05, 2017 5:14 pm

If we signed Messi the moaners on here would complain.
Some people must lead miserable lives.

SkiptonClaret · Post by **SkiptonClaret** » Wed Jul 05, 2017 5:14 pm

Definate framework signing. I'd like to see us stretch ourselves a little now, younger players, realisable longer term assets. But, yes, we need one or two Walters "types" as well.

tim_noone · Post by **tim_noone** » Wed Jul 05, 2017 5:14 pm

Working_Class_Zero wrote:
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Who's the daddy??

TsarBomba · Post by **TsarBomba** » Wed Jul 05, 2017 5:16 pm

CombatClaret wrote:When was the last time Defour actually played for Belgium? Honest question.
The last game I can find him being involved in was in November 2016 in Belgium's 8-1 win over Estonia where Defour was an unsued sub.

I can find 44mins in the 2014 world cup.

Started in the qualifier against Gibraltar I think in October last year.

Granted, I wouldn't expect a call up now he hasn't played much, but he was in the Belgium squad when in the starting 11 at Burnley.

ElectroClaret · Post by **ElectroClaret** » Wed Jul 05, 2017 5:17 pm

hampsteadclaret wrote:blueclaret please go somewhere else.
your constant negativity, whatever we do, gets me down...I read a post and I think...I know who that is - I look across and yes it's you.

- constantly critical, rarely spotting the positives and all from a viewpoint of never actually going to Turf Moor...in the circumstances, all things considered in 2017 - WE ARE DOING REALLY WELL.

- why don't you see that?

He doesn't want to, Hampstead.

Zom Zom · Post by **Zom Zom** » Wed Jul 05, 2017 5:25 pm

Cannot believe a lot of the posts regarding Walters. He wilk bring experience and quality to an area we fell short in last time around.

Sometimes its as irritating reading posts from our own on here, as it is reading nonsensical crap from Rovers on the LT site.

Wile E Coyote · Post by **Wile E Coyote** » Wed Jul 05, 2017 5:25 pm

The Enclosure wrote:If we signed Messi the moaners on here would complain.
Some people must lead miserable lives.

there is no link whatsoever between criticising a footballer and "leading miserable lives" doesn't even make any sense. and science has proved it.

Tall Paul · Post by **Tall Paul** » Wed Jul 05, 2017 5:27 pm

TsarBomba wrote:Started in the qualifier against Gibraltar I think in October last year.

Granted, I wouldn't expect a call up now he hasn't played much, but he was in the Belgium squad when in the starting 11 at Burnley.

I'm confused.

You said Defour was fit enough to play for us and cited him playing for Belgium as evidence of that, yet now you're saying he's not getting picked for Belgium because he's not been playing in our team. Are you sure the reason he's not getting picked for either Belgium or us isn't because he's not fit enough?

Bordeauxclaret · Post by **Bordeauxclaret** » Wed Jul 05, 2017 5:27 pm

ablueclaret wrote:I remain deeply unimpressed, the antithesis of the type of signing we need.

Great news again. Ablue gets the vast majority of his predictions wrong so on that basis alone it's a good signing, never mind his 5,6,7 years in a Premier League team.

Cleveleys_claret · Post by **Cleveleys_claret** » Wed Jul 05, 2017 5:28 pm

Good signing. Will fit in. Expect the bigger signings later on in window. Very good value and in my eyes a no lose situation, wealth of experience.

Reecey1987 · Post by **Reecey1987** » Wed Jul 05, 2017 5:32 pm

Cleveleys_claret wrote:Good signing. Will fit in. Expect the bigger signings later on in window. Very good value and in my eyes a no lose situation, wealth of experience.

Were in danger of starting the season a lot weaker than we finished it . If gray goes before we have a replacement we will be even weaker

Bordeauxclaret · Post by **Bordeauxclaret** » Wed Jul 05, 2017 5:40 pm

Reecey1987 wrote:Were in danger of starting the season a lot weaker than we finished it . If gray goes before we have a replacement we will be even weaker

Season starts Saturday as well.

Zom Zom · Post by **Zom Zom** » Wed Jul 05, 2017 5:41 pm

Reecey1987 wrote:Were in danger of starting the season a lot weaker than we finished it . If gray goes before we have a replacement we will be even weaker

We are only a few days into the bloody transfer window. Did you expect to have all our deals settled by now?

I give in. I'll be back in August.

karatekid · Post by **karatekid** » Wed Jul 05, 2017 5:41 pm

This signing will be the equivalent of Joey Barton in the championship winning season. Inspirational. UTC.

northeastclaret · Post by **northeastclaret** » Wed Jul 05, 2017 5:49 pm

Excellent signing if it comes off.

Can't understand why some are moaning.

CFS · Post by **CFS** » Wed Jul 05, 2017 5:57 pm

I certainly feel more comfortable and at ease facing Chelsea in a months time with the likes of Walters playing for us.