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Re: BBC stars' pay to be revealed

Post by HelloHiGoodbye » Wed Jul 19, 2017 11:08 am

RocketLawnChair wrote:You had the upper hand until this HelloHiGoodbye. Gary Lineker isn't a patch on Jeff Stelling in fact he isn't the best on MOTD. And what exactly does Graham Norton do?
Hello, RocketLawnChair. Fair point - I prefer Jeff Selling too. Nevertheless though, Lineker could earn a lot more elsewhere. As for Norton - he's excellent, a complete natural at that kind of telly - the ratings consistently back that up. And he's a producer too. We don't always have to like them, or their programmes, but people denying their talent is just lazy.

I have a little experience in this kind of stuff - and people just don't understand how telly's made. The graft involved.
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Re: BBC stars' pay to be revealed

Post by Lancasterclaret » Wed Jul 19, 2017 11:09 am

Ringo doesn't like Graham Norton.

Now what a surprise.

Why could that be?

I'll say one thing for you mate, you are very consistent.
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Re: BBC stars' pay to be revealed

Post by RingoMcCartney » Wed Jul 19, 2017 11:10 am

quoonbeatz wrote:ah so you're bothered about how the licence fee is spent, not that there is one.

as i said, you'd still need to pay it even if you just had sky.

what about all those people who can't afford sky, bt, netflix, etc? should they just not be allowed to watch telly? bit selfish that isn't it?

"ah so you're bothered about how the licence fee is spent, not that there is one."

Well yes that's the whole point!

The BBC should be self funding!!!!!

What's selfish about saying families who are already skint should not be expected to pay for the privilege of watching tv. ?

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Re: BBC stars' pay to be revealed

Post by HelloHiGoodbye » Wed Jul 19, 2017 11:10 am

RingoMcCartney wrote:"It's important to have impartiality"

In my opinion, it's more important to have CHOICE.

With the BBC you don't have CHOICE. You have a thousand quid fine if you don't cough up for it's "impartiality!" :lol: :lol:
You have a choice, "fella". Despite your £2 a week, you can watch whatever you want. It's not North Korea, "fella".

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Re: BBC stars' pay to be revealed

Post by lucs86 » Wed Jul 19, 2017 11:12 am

I think it's great that we have a public broadcaster that is held to high standards with loftier ambitions in terms of educational and cultural output than the rest, I think that's providing a public service that makes the country better. It definitley makes the rest of the broadcasters work harder for their ratings, it brings through new talent before they're taken by the bigger bidders and I'll bet it paves the way on things like gender equality (as if that's what anyone on here really cares about. I doubt a third of Sky or ITV's top earners are female). It's an asset to this country, it's massively respected and represents a significant part of the country's history/tradition. If it goes (which it will unless people start standing up for it) it will be an act of knobhead vandalism that will leave the country worse off, for the sake of a few quid that will vanish into nothing with the commercial competitors.

And seriously, f*** adverts, the BBC is one of the only screens you can look at or stations you can tune into without being sold stuff. Even if it's output was crap (which it clearly isn't) it would be worth preserving for that alone.
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Re: BBC stars' pay to be revealed

Post by HelloHiGoodbye » Wed Jul 19, 2017 11:14 am

lucs86 wrote:I think it's great that we have a public broadcaster that is held to high standards with loftier ambitions in terms of educational and cultural output than the rest, I think that's providing a public service that makes the country better. It definitley makes the rest of the broadcasters work harder for their ratings, it brings through new talent before they're taken by the bigger bidders and I'll bet it paves the way on things like gender equality (as if that's what anyone on here really cares about. I doubt a third of Sky or ITV's top earners are female). It's an asset to this country, it's massively respected and represents a significant part of the country's history/tradition. If it goes (which it will unless people start standing up for it) it will be an act of knobhead vandalism that will leave the country worse off, for the sake of a few quid that will vanish into nothing with the commercial competitors.

And seriously, f*** adverts, the BBC is one of the only screens you can look at or stations you can tune into without being sold stuff. Even if it's output was crap (which it clearly isn't) it would be worth preserving for that alone.
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Re: BBC stars' pay to be revealed

Post by quoonbeatz » Wed Jul 19, 2017 11:17 am

RingoMcCartney wrote:"ah so you're bothered about how the licence fee is spent, not that there is one."

Well yes that's the whole point!

The BBC should be self funding!!!!!

What's selfish about saying families who are already skint should not be expected to pay for the privilege of watching tv. ?
what would you rather the licence fee was spent on?

it produces top quality broadcasting across radio and television without bombarding people with adverts.

doesn't it still pull in the highest viewing/listening figures each year? can't be that bad.
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Re: BBC stars' pay to be revealed

Post by RingoMcCartney » Wed Jul 19, 2017 11:17 am

Lancasterclaret wrote:Ringo doesn't like Graham Norton.

Now what a surprise.

Why could that be?

I'll say one thing for you mate, you are very consistent.

Stop fishing Lancs.

The license fee is an anathema in this day and age and you know it.

The wealthy can afford to pay it from loose change they'll have in their pocket. It has a disproportionate effect on the poor. It's regressive and indefensible and as a socialist you should want to see it consigned into the bin marked "unjust, unfair, outdated"......

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Re: BBC stars' pay to be revealed

Post by RingoMcCartney » Wed Jul 19, 2017 11:20 am

HelloHiGoodbye wrote:You have a choice, "fella". Despite your £2 a week, you can watch whatever you want. It's not North Korea, "fella".
Try not paying the license fee.

Then wait for the "knock".

Which is actually just like North Korea!!

Isn't It!!

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Re: BBC stars' pay to be revealed

Post by RocketLawnChair » Wed Jul 19, 2017 11:20 am

HelloHiGoodbye wrote:Hello, RocketLawnChair. Fair point - I prefer Jeff Selling too. Nevertheless though, Lineker could earn a lot more elsewhere. As for Norton - he's excellent, a complete natural at that kind of telly - the ratings consistently back that up. And he's a producer too. We don't always have to like them, or their programmes, but people denying their talent is just lazy.

I have a little experience in this kind of stuff - and people just don't understand how telly's made. The graft involved.
Each to there own, I just find Graham Norton tends to rely on the easy form of double entendre humour in his interviews and this even comes out when his guests genuinely have something interesting too say. I must admit I am not aware of his producing abilities but as for his chat show technique id say about on a par with Alan Carr.

And when you think of the greats such as Parky, Aspel, Harty and to some extent O'Connor it just shows that the bottom of the barrel is being well and truly scraped.

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Re: BBC stars' pay to be revealed

Post by RingoMcCartney » Wed Jul 19, 2017 11:22 am

quoonbeatz wrote:what would you rather the licence fee was spent on?

it produces top quality broadcasting across radio and television without bombarding people with adverts.

doesn't it still pull in the highest viewing/listening figures each year? can't be that bad.
I'd prefer no licence fee.

If the BBC does all you say it does. Then let people be given a free choice to subscribe to it.

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Re: BBC stars' pay to be revealed

Post by quoonbeatz » Wed Jul 19, 2017 11:23 am

but with no licence fee, you can't watch any telly.

have you not grasped that yet?

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Post by UpTheBeehole » Wed Jul 19, 2017 11:25 am

RingoMcCartney wrote:Try not paying the license fee.

Then wait for the "knock".

Which is actually just like North Korea!!

Isn't It!!

Ringo, your understanding of the licence fee is years out of date. It isn't levied on purely owning a TV, as you think it is, and people won't be sent to jail for non-payment.
Is a TV Licence required to own a television set?
You don’t need a TV Licence to own or possess a television set. However, if you use it to watch or record programmes as they are being shown on TV or live on an online TV service, or to download or watch BBC programmes on demand, including catch up TV, on BBC iPlayer, then you need a TV Licence in order to do so.
and

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/01 ... uidelines/

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Re: BBC stars' pay to be revealed

Post by HelloHiGoodbye » Wed Jul 19, 2017 11:28 am

quoonbeatz wrote:what would you rather the licence fee was spent on?

17:00 - Charabancs and war songs. Nigel Farage travels from Southend to Dover singing "There'll Always Be An England" with Alan Sugar and one slice of bread.

18:00 - Pointless. Katie Hopkins presents the immigration points-based system gameshow. Can Farooq make the final? (No, course not.)

19:00 - How To Make A Curry Less Forrrun.

20:00 - Is India Just a Brown China? Jacob Rees-Mogg narrates.

21:00 - Compulsory, ceremonial worship to our lord and leader Honourable Jeremy Clarkson.
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Re: BBC stars' pay to be revealed

Post by martin_p » Wed Jul 19, 2017 11:30 am

People like Ringo don't like the BBC because its funding is based on the socialist principle of everyone paying for it so everyone has access. You can guarantee that if the BBC was forced to move to a subscription model the quality would go down and the price would go up. People who are currently entitled to a free licence would have to start coughing up as well. A lot less people would have access to the BBC as a lot less people would be able to afford it. Not that it would be as good as it is now of course. A subscription funding model would push it towards ratings grabbing garbage, ignoring the wide range of interesting minority subjects the BBC does so well.
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Re: BBC stars' pay to be revealed

Post by quoonbeatz » Wed Jul 19, 2017 11:31 am

ringo is as itv as they come.

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Re: BBC stars' pay to be revealed

Post by RingoMcCartney » Wed Jul 19, 2017 11:33 am

UpTheBeehole wrote:Ringo, your understanding of the licence fee is years out of date. It isn't levied on purely owning a TV, as you think it is, and people won't be sent to jail for non-payment.



and

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/01 ... uidelines/
Taken from the officialtv licensing website-


Over 90% of the licence fee is spent on BBC TV channels, radio stations, BBC iPlayer and online services.

And I've read the telegraph article. Judges can be more lenient. BUT there is STILL the threat of fines for non payment. And if people don't pay fines they can lose their liberty.

I think the last paragraph of the article you posted sums it up don't you!?

"The sooner the BBC get a grip on reality and recognise move to a subscription model the better. If they are so convinced of its value for money then they have nothing to fear from such a move."

Now, what don't you agree with in the statement taken from your example?

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Re: BBC stars' pay to be revealed

Post by RingoMcCartney » Wed Jul 19, 2017 11:39 am

quoonbeatz wrote:but with no licence fee, you can't watch any telly.

have you not grasped that yet?
Oh dear. :roll:

That is the whole point. If there was no licence fee you still could watch Tele. FREEVIEW. Just no BBC.

And if you're so desparate for the BBC. Subscribe.

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Re: BBC stars' pay to be revealed

Post by Goddy » Wed Jul 19, 2017 11:42 am

Really, all of this is none of our business but, whilst it's out there, I give you Alan Shearer on +£400k. (Chortle)

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Post by quoonbeatz » Wed Jul 19, 2017 11:43 am

RingoMcCartney wrote:Oh dear. :roll:

That is the whole point. If there was no licence fee you still could watch Tele. FREEVIEW. Just no BBC.
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you couldn't.

you can't watch any live broadcast tv without a licence. that includes any terrestrial, satellite or cable telly. that is the whole point.

please keep up.

:roll:
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Post by ClaretEngineer » Wed Jul 19, 2017 11:47 am

quoonbeatz wrote:you couldn't.

you can't watch any live broadcast tv without a licence. that includes any terrestrial, satellite or cable telly. that is the whole point.

please keep up.

:roll:
On a technical point he is correct. You can still watch TV without a licence, the service isn't cut off as soon as the licence expires.

The only way to combat non payers is to have some sort of facility that links your TV licence to your TV. Code expires TV viewing expires.

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Re: BBC stars' pay to be revealed

Post by RingoMcCartney » Wed Jul 19, 2017 11:51 am

martin_p wrote:People like Ringo don't like the BBC because its funding is based on the socialist principle of everyone paying for it so everyone has access. You can guarantee that if the BBC was forced to move to a subscription model the quality would go down and the price would go up. People who are currently entitled to a free licence would have to start coughing up as well. A lot less people would have access to the BBC as a lot less people would be able to afford it. Not that it would be as good as it is now of course. A subscription funding model would push it towards ratings grabbing garbage, ignoring the wide range of interesting minority subjects the BBC does so well.
"the socialist principle of everyone paying for it so everyone has access" :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

What's socialist about a millionaire paying the same as some one on job seekers allowance!!!!!!!!!!???????

Socialist!? Utter utter utter garbage.


"You can guarantee that if the BBC was forced to move to a subscription model the quality would go down and the price would go up"


And people would have the CHOICE whether or not they paid for It!

Socialist!!!!!!???

The licence fee is effectively a broadcasting Poll Tax.

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Post by DCWat » Wed Jul 19, 2017 11:57 am

quoonbeatz wrote:you couldn't.

you can't watch any live broadcast tv without a licence. that includes any terrestrial, satellite or cable telly. that is the whole point.

please keep up.

:roll:
True enough but if the license fee was scrapped, so too presumably would be the rules around requiring one.

Not that I think it should be scrapped - perhaps capped with the BBC having to make more of their revenue from selling their programming and spin off materials.

I'd like more sport on the BBC but compare it to other channels and the quality of what they produce is often far better. ITV as an example fills their late night slots with bloody bingo / roulette type crap and I can skip through hundreds of channels on SKY without finding much, if anything to watch.

BBC television, Radio, iPlayer, Internet are great and well made - 5 live compared to Talk Sport = no contest.

Wildlife
Politics
Drama
News
Comedy

The BBC produces some brilliant programmes and all advert free - I'm pleased we have it and long may it continue.
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Post by RingoMcCartney » Wed Jul 19, 2017 11:58 am

quoonbeatz wrote:you couldn't.

you can't watch any live broadcast tv without a licence. that includes any terrestrial, satellite or cable telly. that is the whole point.

please keep up.

:roll:

We are literally going round in circles here.

We agree that you "can't watch any live broadcast tv without a licence. that includes any terrestrial, satellite or cable telly. that is the whole point."

Right.

90% goes to the BBC. But that is the CURRENT rule.

If you scrapped the licence there would still be television. And new rules would come into play.

Why do you think that it's ONLY THE BBC that is justifying it's salaries today!!!!!??

Why do you think other posters are supporting the licence fee and simultaneously supporting the BBC?

Let's jump off this hamster wheel.

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Re: BBC stars' pay to be revealed

Post by ŽižkovClaret » Wed Jul 19, 2017 12:02 pm

tbh Chris Evans would probably take 1m if thats what he was offered. Its not like he needs the cash and he'd still be a top earner

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Post by quoonbeatz » Wed Jul 19, 2017 12:03 pm

RingoMcCartney wrote:We are literally going round in circles here.

We agree that you "can't watch any live broadcast tv without a licence. that includes any terrestrial, satellite or cable telly. that is the whole point."

Right.

90% goes to the BBC.

If you scrapped the licence there would still be television.

Why do you think that it's ONLY THE BBC that is justifying it's salaries today!!!!!??

Why do you think other posters are supporting the licence fee and simultaneously supporting the BBC?

Let's jump off this hamster wheel.

:lol: :roll:

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Re: BBC stars' pay to be revealed

Post by FactualFrank » Wed Jul 19, 2017 12:12 pm

RingoMcCartney wrote:We are literally going round in circles here.
I've not moved in 40 minutes.

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Re: BBC stars' pay to be revealed

Post by RingoMcCartney » Wed Jul 19, 2017 12:14 pm

UpTheBeehole wrote:The BBC's approach to wages is like Burnley's in the Premier League.

They only have a certain amount coming in, so pay what they can to the best talent available within that price range.

They may pay Gary Lineker £1.79m or whatever it is, in the same way BFC pays Robbie Brady around £35k a week.

ITV pay Ant & Dec £30m a year, in the same way Man Utd pay Pogba and Lukaku an absolute sh1tload.

Amazon pay Jeremy Clarkson £10m in the same way Man City pay Aguero £220k a week or whatever.

Internationally, Oprah Winfrey earns £63m a year, in the same way Messi earns £550k a week.



As you can see, the wages paid to BBC stars are minuscule compared to the market they're in. Stop ******* fussing over nothing.

"The BBC's approach to wages is like Burnley's in the Premier League"

I choose to get a season ticket to go on' t Turf.

The tv licence is like forcing people from Blackburn, Preston , Bolton Leeds millwall to get one as well......

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Post by RingoMcCartney » Wed Jul 19, 2017 12:15 pm

FactualFrank wrote:I've not moved in 40 minutes.
Do you want a medal? :lol:

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Re: BBC stars' pay to be revealed

Post by aggi » Wed Jul 19, 2017 12:16 pm

Obviously the other issue of moving away from the licence fee to adverts is editorial independence. Look at the Daily Telegraph and HSBC for instance, spiking stories because they didn't want to upset their advertisers.

When you add in these additional subscription services for more choice, nothing ever gets cheaper. When BT sport started broadcasting, including a lot of content that Sky used to have, Sky didn't slash the price of its offering, you ended up paying for two services.

Personally I'd pay the licence fee just for the radio. What it offers is far superior to any commercial stations. Add to that the website, local news, tv, iplayer, etc these things have always been at the forefront of innovation which is only possible by how it is funded.
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Post by TheFamilyCat » Wed Jul 19, 2017 12:20 pm

I suspect Ringo's whole argument is based on not liking Citizen Khan.

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Post by CardyTheClaret » Wed Jul 19, 2017 12:21 pm

claretdom wrote:Some will say SKY is good value
Fancy a little wager on that? Also, most of the popular entertainment shows on there will be BBC repeats or will be in someway part funded by the BBC.

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Re: BBC stars' pay to be revealed

Post by Sidney1st » Wed Jul 19, 2017 12:22 pm

Am I overly worried about who gets paid what at the BBC?
Not really.

Do I think I get good value for money for my so called 'forced' Licence fee?
Absolutely I do, I've listened to a BBC radio station of some sort for as long as I can remember, from the chart show as a kid on a sunday afternoon when I was round my dads, to Chris Moyles / Radio 1 when I started working right up to Radio 2 / 6 now I'm in my late :( 30's.

Do I watch Graham Norton?
Have done for years, well before he was on the BBC and he's miles better than Ross, his chat show is brilliant to watch 99% of the time.

Same with Paul O'Grady.

One thing I haven't seen mentioned yet on here, unless I missed it, is some money people like Norton receive isn't shown because it's paid to the company who make his show for the BBC and they will pay him.
He probably owns that company too, so he's getting paid twice in effect.
Most of the bigger, more marketable stars, own a production company who of course make their shows.

Do I think Ant & Dec are worth the money they get paid by ITV?
Not a chance, BUT they do work hard for their money looking at the number of shows they appear on in all fairness.

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Re: BBC stars' pay to be revealed

Post by RingoMcCartney » Wed Jul 19, 2017 12:26 pm

TheFamilyCat wrote:I suspect Ringo's whole argument is based on not liking Citizen Khan.
No.

Just freedom of choice, and fairness......

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Post by HelloHiGoodbye » Wed Jul 19, 2017 12:30 pm

Sidney1st wrote:
One thing I haven't seen mentioned yet on here, unless I missed it, is some money people like Norton receive isn't shown because it's paid to the company who make his show for the BBC and they will pay him.
He probably owns that company too, so he's getting paid twice in effect.
Most of the bigger, more marketable stars, own a production company who of course make their shows.
Two examples -

Graham Norton - So Television.
Gary Lineker - GoalHanger Films.
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Post by Sidney1st » Wed Jul 19, 2017 12:32 pm

It's explained in more detail here about the pay not being fully revealed.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... stars.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
There are also concerns that some stars have been able to avoid declaring all their earnings.
Graham Norton, who is known to get at least £2.5million a year for his chat show, is only listed as earning up to £899,000 because he get paid most of his cash via a production company.
Mary Berry and outgoing Doctor Who Peter Capaldi are not listed at all for the same reason.
The salaries of other stars including Top Gear's Matt LeBlanc are also kept secret because they are paid by the corporation foreign TV arm BBC Worldwide.

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Post by TheFamilyCat » Wed Jul 19, 2017 12:32 pm

RingoMcCartney wrote:No.

Just freedom of choice, and fairness......
Steady on, you're in danger of sounding like a SJW.

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Re: BBC stars' pay to be revealed

Post by claretdom » Wed Jul 19, 2017 12:33 pm

CardyTheClaret wrote:Fancy a little wager on that? Also, most of the popular entertainment shows on there will be BBC repeats or will be in someway part funded by the BBC.

I would say the people who pay for SKY for the purpose of live sport would claim it is value yeah. There is more to tv than entertainment programmes but then some people actually watch and enjoy stuff like Eastenders and Mrs Browns Boys. If you want to watch live football, cricket, golf, this weeks horse racing bar 6 or 7 races on Saturday, the recent all blacks tour that people seemed to enjoy and it was all available on one provider and you choose to pay it if you wanted it I would say most would class that as value yeah, not sure how a wager would work unless you are going to ask everyone who pays if it is value. BBC have decided that the approach to live sport has been to bin off pretty much everything apart from Wimbledon and the boat race.

Everyone is different though that is why there are so many channels and so many choices.
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Post by HelloHiGoodbye » Wed Jul 19, 2017 12:34 pm

claretdom wrote:BBC have decided that the approach to live sport has been to bin off pretty much everything apart from Wimbledon and the boat race.
Not really. They just can't afford it.

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Post by RingoMcCartney » Wed Jul 19, 2017 12:47 pm

TheFamilyCat wrote:Steady on, you're in danger of sounding like a SJW.
If SJWs are against regressive, punitive taxes that disproportionately affect those who are least able to pay it then I'm a SJW!

Ed Miliband often used to say, and Jeremy Corbyn still says. Tax burdens should be placed upon those with the broadest shoulders.

The tv licence tax is placed on anyone who happens to have shoulders.!

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Post by martin_p » Wed Jul 19, 2017 12:49 pm

RingoMcCartney wrote:No.

Just freedom of choice, and fairness......
Some people won't have a choice as they won't be able to afford it.

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Post by Bordeauxclaret » Wed Jul 19, 2017 12:56 pm

quoonbeatz wrote:ringo is as itv as they come.
Channel Five surely?
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Post by RingoMcCartney » Wed Jul 19, 2017 1:02 pm

martin_p wrote:Some people won't have a choice as they won't be able to afford it.

I've just spent all morning arguing that the licence fee should be scrapped.

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Post by ClaretEngineer » Wed Jul 19, 2017 1:04 pm

Ringo, what is it you're campaigning for here? in a nutshell.

Are you saying that the BBC should be funded by wealthier inhabitants of this island, say as a percentage of earnings? (this is what I understand by your post #90).

Or is it that you wish there to be a choice of whether to pay for the BBC?

I agree that the term TV Licence is a somewhat dated and misunderstood term, a bit like Road Fund Licence.

I see your point about being forced to pay for a service that you may not necessarily wish to use, but for a fee which you have to pay in order to access other TV channels entirely exclusive of the BBC.

As I alluded to earlier, the only way to separate BBC from the rest of TV would be to link the TV Licence to each device. As soon as the licence code expires so does the access to those services.

However, as pointed out elsewhere on this thread, there is the potential of income losses for the BBC thus reducing the quality of the programmes for those that do wish to access the service.

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Post by martin_p » Wed Jul 19, 2017 1:05 pm

RingoMcCartney wrote:I've just spent all morning arguing that the licence fee should be scrapped.
And still hold the naive belief that any replacement won't cost more! Plus anyone over 75 gets a free tv licence, what about them?

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Post by Rileybobs » Wed Jul 19, 2017 1:08 pm

RingoMcCartney wrote:I've just spent all morning arguing that the licence fee should be scrapped.
A morning well spent.

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Post by RingoMcCartney » Wed Jul 19, 2017 1:10 pm

martin_p wrote:And still hold the naive belief that any replacement won't cost more! Plus anyone over 75 gets a free tv licence, what about them?
"Naive!?"

Scrapping something that should go to subscription means you have the CHOICE whether to pay or not. Over 75s would still have the choice.

You stick to believing that the BBC is "funded on socialist principles!!!!!!!!!" :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

The BBC has reported on the pay squueze on the public sector. As a publicly funded body, there's no pay squeeze at the BBC is there!!!!

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Post by TheFamilyCat » Wed Jul 19, 2017 1:11 pm

RingoMcCartney wrote:If SJWs are against regressive, punitive taxes that disproportionately affect those who are least able to pay it then I'm a SJW!

Ed Miliband often used to say, and Jeremy Corbyn still says. Tax burdens should be placed upon those with the broadest shoulders.

The tv licence tax is placed on anyone who happens to have shoulders.!
And now you're agreeing with Jeremy Corbyn. Are you unwell?

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Post by Imploding Turtle » Wed Jul 19, 2017 1:13 pm

Sutton-Claret wrote: Examples - A male presenter such as Andrew Marr / Paxman would be better at grilling an MP than a female presenter. A female presenter would be more suited to presenting a daytime chat show. These are just my views
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Post by RingoMcCartney » Wed Jul 19, 2017 1:14 pm

ClaretEngineer wrote:Ringo, what is it you're campaigning for here? in a nutshell.

Are you saying that the BBC should be funded by wealthier inhabitants of this island, say as a percentage of earnings? (this is what I understand by your post #90).

Or is it that you wish there to be a choice of whether to pay for the BBC?

I agree that the term TV Licence is a somewhat dated and misunderstood term, a bit like Road Fund Licence.

I see your point about being forced to pay for a service that you may not necessarily wish to use, but for a fee which you have to pay in order to access other TV channels entirely exclusive of the BBC.

As I alluded to earlier, the only way to separate BBC from the rest of TV would be to link the TV Licence to each device. As soon as the licence code expires so does the access to those services.

However, as pointed out elsewhere on this thread, there is the potential of income losses for the BBC thus reducing the quality of the programmes for those that do wish to access the service.
In a nutshell, the scrapping of the tv licence.

If the BBC and people who support the tv licence are so confident in the quality of its output. Then let them have the courage of their convictions and go to subscriptions and see if the people agree.

Then the BBC can pay it's employees as much as they like.
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