Tom Anderson

IndigoLake · Post by **IndigoLake** » Fri Jul 28, 2017 10:56 am

What's the next stage in his development? Can we see him going on loan to another League One club? Or perhaps even a Championship club this time around? From those who have seen him in action - what do you think of him?

cutsy123 · Post by **cutsy123** » Fri Jul 28, 2017 10:58 am

He isnt league 1 standard

IndigoLake · Post by **IndigoLake** » Fri Jul 28, 2017 11:00 am

cutsy123 wrote:He isnt league 1 standard

Why not? He spent last season on loan at Chesterfield in League One. They may have been relegated but I'm not sure if that means much. Tom Heaton was relegated to League One with Bristol City.

Newcastleclaret93 · Post by **Newcastleclaret93** » Fri Jul 28, 2017 11:00 am

I thought he has alright in the friendlies.
Be surprised if he couldn't get in at Sheffield United or another relegation favourite championship team.

ExistentialWanderer · Post by **ExistentialWanderer** » Fri Jul 28, 2017 11:01 am

Highly regarded at Chesterfield I believe. Maybe about his level.

cutsy123 · Post by **cutsy123** » Fri Jul 28, 2017 11:02 am

He certainly isnt championship standard

IndigoLake · Post by **IndigoLake** » Fri Jul 28, 2017 11:02 am

Newcastleclaret93 wrote:I thought he has alright in the friendlies.
Be surprised if he couldn't get in at Sheffield United or another relegation favourite championship team.

He's taller than I realised and seems a threat from set pieces. Hope he can get another good loan and some more experience. He'll be 24 in September so he will need more game time.

MACCA · Post by **MACCA** » Fri Jul 28, 2017 11:02 am

IMO
Championship would be too high.

League 1 possibly, but got relegated with chesterfield last season. Might get a crack at a team a bit higher in league 1, but very much doubt he will get any further up the ladder.
He is tall so wins everything in both boxes, he just looks to get himself in a mess, and doesn't look comfortable on the ball.

Rochdale or Oldham could be a good gauge for him this season.
He's 24 ish I think , so it might be last chance saloon next time he's loaned out.

Newcastleclaret93 · Post by **Newcastleclaret93** » Fri Jul 28, 2017 11:03 am

Well at the moment he is fourth choice CB for a premier league team.

IndigoLake · Post by **IndigoLake** » Fri Jul 28, 2017 11:03 am

ExistentialWanderer wrote:Highly regarded at Chesterfield I believe. Maybe about his level.

Maybe! Mind you, he's only 23 and you'd imagine there's still development in him. It's why I wonder whether he can get a loan to a Championship team. He'll probably end up at another League One side though.

IndigoLake · Post by **IndigoLake** » Fri Jul 28, 2017 11:05 am

MACCA wrote:IMO
Championship would be too high.

League 1 possibly, but got relegated with chesterfield last season. Might get a crack at a team a bit higher in league 1, but very much doubt he will get any further up the ladder.
He is tall so wins everything in both boxes, he just looks to get himself in a mess, and doesn't look comfortable on the ball.

Rochdale or Oldham could be a good gauge for him this season.
He's 24 ish I think , so it might be last chance saloon next time he's loaned out.

Yes, I do think it's coming to the point where it's make or break for him with us really. Mind you, you could say the same about Kevin Long and he's been with us for ages. It's players like those (and Ulvestad) that I think we need to upgrade on over time. I do hope we bring in another CB sharpish!

MACCA · Post by **MACCA** » Fri Jul 28, 2017 11:13 am

IndigoLake wrote:Yes, I do think it's coming to the point where it's make or break for him with us really. Mind you, you could say the same about Kevin Long and he's been with us for ages. It's players like those (and Ulvestad) that I think we need to upgrade on over time. I do hope we bring in another CB sharpish!

I don't think he will kick a ball for Burnley competitively to be honest.

I can't see him here next summer, a long with C Long, Ulvestad, and possibly Kev Long. They need regular games now, and it won't be at Burnley I don't think.

We are evolving now, and hopefully that means players like that will be surplus to requirements.

LAM · Post by **LAM** » Fri Jul 28, 2017 11:18 am

Only seen him once, in the friendly against Accrington last season. He was miles off the standard required. Absolutely miles off. That said, he may have improved with competitive experience, but it would have to be some leap.

ksrclaret · Post by **ksrclaret** » Fri Jul 28, 2017 11:23 am

He certainly cuts an imposing figure and wins a fair amount of aerial battles, but sadly he isn't anyway near good enough technically to play in the Championship at the moment, let alone the Premier League.

I expect he'll return to Chesterfield once we've brought in another CB.

BleedingClaret · Post by **BleedingClaret** » Fri Jul 28, 2017 11:55 am

MACCA wrote:I don't think he will kick a ball for Burnley competitively to be honest.

I can't see him here next summer, a long with C Long, Ulvestad, and possibly Kev Long. They need regular games now, and it won't be at Burnley I don't think.

We are evolving now, and hopefully that means players like that will be surplus to requirements.

I think Kevin Long is our best centre back
Mee is being judged playing alongside Keane
Tarks is not a CB at this level at this moment in time
He's better than Anderson

Goobs · Post by **Goobs** » Fri Jul 28, 2017 12:05 pm

BleedingClaret wrote:I think Kevin Long is our best centre back
Mee is being judged playing alongside Keane
Tarks is not a CB at this level at this moment in time
He's better than Anderson

The correct answer is D?

Down_Rover · Post by **Down_Rover** » Fri Jul 28, 2017 12:05 pm

BleedingClaret wrote:I think Kevin Long is our best centre back
Mee is being judged playing alongside Keane
Tarks is not a CB at this level at this moment in time
He's better than Anderson

I agree kevin long has made sterling progress. Many centre backs do not come of age until 25/26. Happy to have him at third or fourth choice.

I think Tarks has a tendency to hit the panic button too early. You can get away with this in 10 minute cameos but the game lasts for 90+ and one mistake is one too many at this level

claret10 · Post by **claret10** » Fri Jul 28, 2017 12:15 pm

BleedingClaret wrote:I think Kevin Long is our best centre back
Mee is being judged playing alongside Keane
Tarks is not a CB at this level at this moment in time
He's better than Anderson

I can't believe I have just read those words! If Kevin Long isn't our 4th choice CB or lower this season minimum we are in trouble!

FWIW I have often said that we would miss Ben Mee more than we would miss Keane so you could argue that Keane has been judged playing alongside the safety blanket of Ben Mee (who ranked higher than Keane in many of the stats last season)

piston broke · Post by **piston broke** » Fri Jul 28, 2017 12:17 pm

only seen him on the box, before Dublin. Has he bulked up this off season?

Down_Rover · Post by **Down_Rover** » Fri Jul 28, 2017 12:18 pm

claret10 wrote:I can't believe I have just read those words! If Kevin Long isn't our 4th choice CB or lower this season minimum we are in trouble!

FWIW I have often said that we would miss Ben Mee more than we would miss Keane so you could argue that Keane has been judged playing alongside the safety blanket of Ben Mee (who ranked higher than Keane in many of the stats last season)

Martin O'neill and Roy Keane don't seem to see it that way. Long has promise left in him yet

Just My opinion

claret10 · Post by **claret10** » Fri Jul 28, 2017 12:21 pm

Down_Rover wrote:Martin O'neill and Roy Keane don't seem to see it that way. Long has promise left in him yet

Just My opinion

Just googled him and can't believe he is 27 in a couple of weeks. Surely a player of his age should be showing more than promise....but like you said the Irish setup must fancy him so maybe I could be proven wrong about him

claretspice · Post by **claretspice** » Fri Jul 28, 2017 1:08 pm

Must admit when I watched Anderson at Preston, it felt like looking through a window to the era of Mark Monnington and Mark Winstanley. That tall, gangly build, shoulders hunched towards the ball, boots that must have been hexagonal, and so on. Certainly commanding enough in the air - if underpowered to compete with the sorts of stacked physical strikers you come across in the Championship and Premier League - but with none of the other attributes he'll need in order to make it unfortunately.

A great shame as he's a local lad and by all accounts a really good lad, but he looked to me like someone who needed to be moved on for his own benefit. We clearly need another centre back and I suspect someone like Cork would be deployed there in a Premier League game before Anderson ever was.

As for Long, I've my doubts about him too and at his age he ought to want to move somewhere for first team football. I doubt he's going to be good enough to be first choice or even first reserve for us at any point in his career, dependable back up as he may be.

Braindead · Post by **Braindead** » Fri Jul 28, 2017 1:18 pm

If Anderson or Long were going to make it at Burnley it would have happened by now. Get rid.

ClaretTony · Post by **ClaretTony** » Fri Jul 28, 2017 1:26 pm

LAM wrote:Only seen him once, in the friendly against Accrington last season. He was miles off the standard required. Absolutely miles off. That said, he may have improved with competitive experience, but it would have to be some leap.

That was two years ago at start of a pre season programme. He's had a season and a half of League One football since then.

jedi_master · Post by **jedi_master** » Fri Jul 28, 2017 1:29 pm

Anderson is a League One player to me, although I think he was solid enough against Preston and was a real threat in the opposition box.

He did alright for Chesterfield, fans loved him for his effort and commitment, but they doubted his quality on the ball. They also believe he went off with concussion about 19 times a game due to the amount he got stuck in. It would not surprise me to see them perhaps take him again on loan, maybe even permanently after we have signed up another centre back.

Maybe I am totally wrong and Dyche thinks he has the potential to break into the Burnley side, I have doubts myself.

claretspice · Post by **claretspice** » Fri Jul 28, 2017 1:29 pm

ClaretTony wrote:That was two years ago at start of a pre season programme. He's had a season and a half of League One football since then.

He's still quite clearly some way short of the required standard, though Tony.

ClaretTony · Post by **ClaretTony** » Fri Jul 28, 2017 1:31 pm

claretspice wrote:He's still quite clearly some way short of the required standard, though Tony.

I was commenting on that game when he played in a makeshift defence and they gave the whole team the runaround. Whatever level he is now he's far better than he was then.

timshorts · Post by **timshorts** » Fri Jul 28, 2017 1:40 pm

jedi_master wrote:Anderson is a League One player to me, although I think he was solid enough against Preston and was a real threat in the opposition box.

He did alright for Chesterfield, fans loved him for his effort and commitment, but they doubted his quality on the ball. They also believe he went off with concussion about 19 times a game due to the amount he got stuck in. It would not surprise me to see them perhaps take him again on loan, maybe even permanently after we have signed up another centre back.

Maybe I am totally wrong and Dyche thinks he has the potential to break into the Burnley side, I have doubts myself.

As a person with Spireite tendencies, I think this is spot on. Possibly a little polite. I posted something a bit more expansive on another thread about him earlier in the week.

IanMcL · Post by **IanMcL** » Fri Jul 28, 2017 5:23 pm

Anderson can make a living at football.

boatshed bill · Post by **boatshed bill** » Fri Jul 28, 2017 5:29 pm

it slightly amuses me how we are so willing to write off one of our own young prospects whilst recommending players such as Marc Roberts, of whom we know virtually nothing

BleedingClaret · Post by **BleedingClaret** » Fri Jul 28, 2017 6:43 pm

claret10 wrote:I can't believe I have just read those words! If Kevin Long isn't our 4th choice CB or lower this season minimum we are in trouble!

FWIW I have often said that we would miss Ben Mee more than we would miss Keane so you could argue that Keane has been judged playing alongside the safety blanket of Ben Mee (who ranked higher than Keane in many of the stats last season)

It's definitely Keane who was the dominant defender.
This is going to be a hard season and a huge test for the Burnley central defence.
At this point, and without Keane, At Chelsea, I would play 3, Long & Mee with Tarks sat in front of them in a 541 or 451.
The first 3 or so away games are damage limitation imo

taio · Post by **taio** » Fri Jul 28, 2017 6:58 pm

BleedingClaret wrote:At this point, and without Keane, At Chelsea, I would play 3, Long & Mee with Tarks sat in front of them in a 541 or 451.

I can't see that happening and certainly hope not.

IndigoLake · Post by **IndigoLake** » Fri Jul 28, 2017 7:00 pm

Some interesting points and the general consensus seems to be that he's not going to be good enough for us. Will be interesting to see if he can make good progress this season if he gets another loan.

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