Andre Gray new contract

cricketfieldclarets · Post by **cricketfieldclarets** » Fri Aug 04, 2017 11:57 pm

The opinion of Gray on here, on social media and in the stands seems strangeley mixed. For a player who has scored so many goals to get us up and keep us up i cant understand it.

With his contract up in summer whats the consensus on here if you had the simple choice of keeping him or selling him?

Straightforward - would you rather we give him a new contract or sell?

Id say new contract for sure. Unsure who we could replace him with who offers what he does.

Bin Ont Turf · Post by **Bin Ont Turf** » Sat Aug 05, 2017 12:00 am

We can only offer him a new contract and not 'give' him one.

We've offered him one.

Sheedyclaret · Post by **Sheedyclaret** » Sat Aug 05, 2017 12:00 am

Hasn't he been offered a new contract but as yet unsigned?..

tim_noone · Post by **tim_noone** » Sat Aug 05, 2017 12:01 am

I thought he'd gone to wolves? Was going to wolves..,was going to west ham...had gone to west ham..was going to ...zzzzzz...

Saxoman · Post by **Saxoman** » Sat Aug 05, 2017 12:05 am

Bin Ont Turf wrote:We can only offer him a new contract and not 'give' him one.

We've offered him one.

Would you give him one?

Pstotto · Post by **Pstotto** » Sat Aug 05, 2017 12:07 am

Greed. The thing with Neymar is that it will cause sh*t around the world for everyone else. I wonder if there are any honest folk left?

tim_noone · Post by **tim_noone** » Sat Aug 05, 2017 12:07 am

Saxoman wrote:Would you give him one?

No...but he'd knock back door out of you!

Colburn_Claret · Post by **Colburn_Claret** » Sat Aug 05, 2017 12:07 am

You can lead a donkey to water........

Andre obviously isn't happy at the moment with what we've offered him. Sad for us Claret fans, but he's in his rights to ask for what he thinks he's worth. Not being on the inside, we don't know whether the offer was a good one or not. Just have faith that SD and the board know what they are doing.

Bin Ont Turf · Post by **Bin Ont Turf** » Sat Aug 05, 2017 12:08 am

Saxoman wrote:Would you give him one?

Of course.

His first touch is quite poor but he knows where the net is.

Saxoman · Post by **Saxoman** » Sat Aug 05, 2017 12:10 am

Bin Ont Turf wrote:Of course.

His first touch is quite poor but he knows where the net is.

Oo-er..

DCWat · Post by **DCWat** » Sat Aug 05, 2017 12:13 am

Want him or not, if he was prepared to sign a new contract, it'd be a complete no brainer.

Wouldn't the more appropriate question be, keep or sell now, with a contract presumably already being on the table?

blackadmac2 · Post by **blackadmac2** » Sat Aug 05, 2017 12:16 am

I like Gray and hope he stays,but the only other centre-forward that I can recall who headed the ball as little as he does was Gorgeous Gus!

Saxoman · Post by **Saxoman** » Sat Aug 05, 2017 12:18 am

Is gray pacy? Always had this idea he was, but never seems to be mentioned..

cricketfieldclarets · Post by **cricketfieldclarets** » Sat Aug 05, 2017 12:21 am

Il rephrase. Would you prefer he stayed or left. Didnt realise the question was so complex

Blackrod · Post by **Blackrod** » Sat Aug 05, 2017 12:22 am

Keep him until Jan and hopefully get some goals out of him to help the club. Then sell so we get some financial reward and he can go and chase his 80 or 100k off some mug of a club. Everyone's happy.

Bin Ont Turf · Post by **Bin Ont Turf** » Sat Aug 05, 2017 12:23 am

DCWat wrote:Want him or not, if he was prepared to sign a new contract, it'd be a complete no brainer.

Wouldn't the more appropriate question be, keep or sell now, with a contract presumably already being on the table?

But we aren't going to sell him now, last year of contract or not.

We don't have to sell him to make a do.

DCWat · Post by **DCWat** » Sat Aug 05, 2017 12:33 am

Bin Ont Turf wrote:But we aren't going to sell him now, last year of contract or not.

We don't have to sell him to make a do.

No, we probably don't have to sell, but we aren't so well off that 20 million wouldn't be considered for a player that may want away.

The Assombalonga bid was a bit strange though - i suppose it's possible that we were in for him thinking that Gray may be on his way. Maybe that's changed, maybe something has been agreed.

Bin Ont Turf · Post by **Bin Ont Turf** » Sat Aug 05, 2017 12:39 am

Selling Gray in this window would be suicide.

Poor first touch or not.

DCWat · Post by **DCWat** » Sat Aug 05, 2017 12:42 am

That would depend on who we brought in, but it'd certainly be a hefty gamble.

warksclaret · Post by **warksclaret** » Sat Aug 05, 2017 7:10 am

He must honour his contract if we don't want to sell-simple as
Forget what his transfer would generate in money, he currently costs us nothing. His goals got us promoted without doubt, and his goals in the PL kept us up. WE are better keeping him and letting him go for nothing in May, He will be in the shop window and that will drive him to play well.

Funkydrummer · Post by **Funkydrummer** » Sat Aug 05, 2017 8:02 am

He's probably used to contracts being taken out on him.

HelloHiGoodbye · Post by **HelloHiGoodbye** » Sat Aug 05, 2017 8:03 am

Mind-boggingly - some people don't rate him. But when he leaves it'll definitely be to a bigger club than us and possibly on to England. He can be that good.

Funkydrummer · Post by **Funkydrummer** » Sat Aug 05, 2017 8:04 am

HelloHiGoodbye wrote:Mind-boggingly - some people don't rate him. But when he leaves it'll definitely be to a bigger club than us and possibly on to England. He can be that good.

Lancasterclaret · Post by **Lancasterclaret** » Sat Aug 05, 2017 8:09 am

I would have thought it was fairly obvious what Andre is doing, and he's perfectly entitled to that.

I think he's a premier league player, and so does he, and he thinks that he can get a much bigger contract if he moves at the end of his contract.

Its a shame, and I'm still hopeful that we can get him to sign a new one as we'd miss him.

JohnMcGreal · Post by **JohnMcGreal** » Sat Aug 05, 2017 8:18 am

I don't think Gray is unhappy, as some have suggested. I think it's more likely that he never really intended to stay here longer than 3 seasons. Whether we like it or not, we're a stepping stone for ambitious young players, and to be honest, we've done well out if it.

Even if the club did want to 'cash in' on Gray this summer or in January, we can't force him to sign a contract with anyone. There's a good chance that he will just see his contract out and leave for nothing next summer.

Wenger made a good point about Sanchez the other day. He predicts that players running down their contracts and taking big signing fees will soon be the new norm. Why should Sanchez allow Arsenal to receive £60 million+ for his sale, when he could personally receieve that as a signing fee when he's a free agent?

The situation with Gray will probably be similar, albeit on a smaller scale. West Ham might be prepared to pay Burnley £15 million for him now, but next summer they might be prepared to pay Andre Gray a £10 million signing fee if he's a free agent. If there are several clubs after him, there will be a bidding war which will benefit Andre personally.

Cubanclaret · Post by **Cubanclaret** » Sat Aug 05, 2017 8:20 am

I suspect West Ham will be happy enough with Chicarito.

JohnMcGreal · Post by **JohnMcGreal** » Sat Aug 05, 2017 8:21 am

I was only using West Ham as a hypothetical example, but you get my drift.

Diesel · Post by **Diesel** » Sat Aug 05, 2017 8:41 am

It's been mentioned several times already on multiple threads but I shall repeat: If Andre wants his big, mega deal next year (remember nobody has been interested in him this summer) then he will have to knuckle down and have the season of his life.

Win, win in this scenario.

Sidney1st · Post by **Sidney1st** » Sat Aug 05, 2017 9:04 am

Offer him a decent pay rise and keep him as long as possible.
9 goals is a decent return for someone's first effort at the PL, Vokes got 1 more in his first full season and he's had lots of praise on here in comparison.

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Devils_Advocate · Post by **Devils_Advocate** » Sat Aug 05, 2017 9:06 am

Bin Ont Turf wrote:Selling Gray in this window would be suicide.

Poor first touch or not.

Disagree with this. Based on the fact we get nothing for him next summer if we got £15m now you could for example blow £10m on a loan fee plus wages of a top quality striker and still be £5m better off.

Also if Dyche plays 4-5-1 Gray will be on the bench so its not like he is even our key striker nevermind one of our key players.

Unfortunately the ball is in Grays court and looks like he'll play out his contract which will make him much more attractive to better clubs to take a punt on next year and allow him to get a massive signing on fee and wage.

Sidney1st · Post by **Sidney1st** » Sat Aug 05, 2017 9:13 am

Who would you loan in then?

People call Negrado a top striker and he's on £100k a week, but clearly needs top service.

Gray also needs better service.

Both scored 9 league goals last season, which club had the better deal?

JohnMcGreal · Post by **JohnMcGreal** » Sat Aug 05, 2017 9:16 am

Devils_Advocate wrote:if we got £15m now you could for example blow £10m on a loan fee plus wages of a top quality striker and still be £5m better off.

That wouldn't happen. We'd probably sell Gray for £15m and then just offer Chris Long a 3 year contract.

And that would still be good enough in the eyes of some posters on here.

HelloHiGoodbye · Post by **HelloHiGoodbye** » Sat Aug 05, 2017 9:23 am

Funkydrummer wrote:

Are you okay?

Devils_Advocate · Post by **Devils_Advocate** » Sat Aug 05, 2017 9:25 am

Not sure who i would loan in Sid and how would i know but I think the experts at our club who do this for a living could get a better player than Gray for one season on a £10m budget.

Ultimately turning down a decent offer for Gray would be valuing him at £200k+ per week and if you dont think our club could get better value than that in this summers transfer market you have little faith in our club

HelloHiGoodbye · Post by **HelloHiGoodbye** » Sat Aug 05, 2017 9:26 am

Devils_Advocate wrote:Not sure who i would loan in Sid and how would i know but I think the experts at our club who do this for a living could get a better player than Gray for one season on a £10m budget.

Ultimately turning down a decent offer for Gray would be valuing him at £200k+ per week and if you dont think our club could get better value than that in this summers transfer market you have little faith in our club

You think we can replace Gray for 10m? Am I reading that correctly? 10m is absolute peanuts, he cost almost that in the Championship! (And wages on top.) Not a chance you'll improve upon Gray on a 10m budget.

Sidney1st · Post by **Sidney1st** » Sat Aug 05, 2017 9:29 am

Devils_Advocate wrote:Not sure who i would loan in Sid and how would i know but I think the experts at our club who do this for a living could get a better player than Gray for one season on a £10m budget.

Ultimately turning down a decent offer for Gray would be valuing him at £200k+ per week and if you dont think our club could get better value than that in this summers transfer market you have little faith in our club

Look at it this way.

The majority of the squad have spent the season together in the PL and benefitted from the experience.
This time round Gray will have a better idea of what he needs to do and so will our midfielders in regards to getting the ball to him.

If we bin him off now and sign the wrong player to replace him then we will sink...

Devils_Advocate · Post by **Devils_Advocate** » Sat Aug 05, 2017 9:35 am

HelloHiGoodbye wrote:You think we can replace Gray for 10m? Am I reading that correctly? 10m is absolute peanuts, he cost almost that in the Championship! (And wages on top.) Not a chance you'll improve upon Gray on a 10m budget.

No you are not reading it correctly try again

Devils_Advocate · Post by **Devils_Advocate** » Sat Aug 05, 2017 9:39 am

Sidney1st wrote: If we bin him off now and sign the wrong player to replace him then we will sink...

Its not binning him off its getting maybe £15m instead of zilch for one years service.

Dyche has made some of his best buys at the end of transfer windows Gray being a prime example so why you think with an absolutely over inflated budget we couldnt do better than Gray i do not know but again it shows absolute no faith or appreciation what our club has done over the past 4 or 5 seasons

Steve-Harpers-perm · Post by **Steve-Harpers-perm** » Sat Aug 05, 2017 9:40 am

Let's have some suggestions for who we'd replace Gray with.

HelloHiGoodbye · Post by **HelloHiGoodbye** » Sat Aug 05, 2017 9:41 am

Devils_Advocate wrote: I think the experts at our club who do this for a living could get a better player than Gray for one season on a £10m budget.

I have read this approximately seventeen times and it appears you're saying the experts at our club who do this for a living could get a better player than Gray for one season on a £10m budget.

They couldn't. Whatsoever. Not even close. Double it and you're approaching possible.

Devils_Advocate · Post by **Devils_Advocate** » Sat Aug 05, 2017 9:42 am

Ask Dyche and his recruitment team as im sure it is something they have spent the summer looking at and preparing for

Devils_Advocate · Post by **Devils_Advocate** » Sat Aug 05, 2017 9:44 am

HelloHiGoodbye wrote:I have read this approximately seventeen times and it appears you're saying the experts at our club who do this for a living could get a better player than Gray for one season on a £10m budget.

They couldn't. Whatsoever. Not even close. Double it and you're approaching possible.

You have either an over-inflated opinion of Gray, no confidence in our recruitment team or no understanding of how the season long loan market works but fair enough we disagree so happy to leave it at that

alwaysaclaret · Post by **alwaysaclaret** » Sat Aug 05, 2017 9:47 am

HelloHiGoodbye wrote:Mind-boggingly - some people don't rate him. But when he leaves it'll definitely be to a bigger club than us and possibly on to England. He can be that good.

Lazy player for me, imo can only score one way " if he's running on to the ball in the right hand channel " certainly got a lot to learn before he pulls on an England shirt !

Tall Paul · Post by **Tall Paul** » Sat Aug 05, 2017 9:52 am

I find it very unlikely that there would be a better player than Gray available for a season long loan.

Steve-Harpers-perm · Post by **Steve-Harpers-perm** » Sat Aug 05, 2017 9:55 am

Surely all the posters who want rid have players have strikers they want to see us replace him with?

Sidney1st · Post by **Sidney1st** » Sat Aug 05, 2017 9:58 am

Devils_Advocate wrote:Its not binning him off its getting maybe £15m instead of zilch for one years service.

Dyche has made some of his best buys at the end of transfer windows Gray being a prime example so why you think with an absolutely over inflated budget we couldnt do better than Gray i do not know but again it shows absolute no faith or appreciation what our club has done over the past 4 or 5 seasons

I'll take Zilch is he betters his tally and we stay up, that's the difference between you and me.

Do I have faith in our club to find another striker?
Yes, but will he be better than Gray?
50/50 odds.

HelloHiGoodbye · Post by **HelloHiGoodbye** » Sat Aug 05, 2017 10:02 am

alwaysaclaret wrote:Lazy player for me, imo can only score one way " if he's running on to the ball in the right hand channel " certainly got a lot to learn before he pulls on an England shirt !

Lazy? Did you see him last season? He spent most of his time chasing aimless punts up field, trying to muster something out of pretty much nothing. Your comment about him only scoring one way is inaccurate too but even if it wasn't, Gary Lineker only scored one way...

He'd be almost impossible for us to replace at the moment - especially for under something like thirty million.

bobinho · Post by **bobinho** » Sat Aug 05, 2017 10:10 am

Gray has managed to do last season what I thought he couldn't. He improved his overall play. Very happy to have been proved wrong. Gray does well, Burnley do well.

Not entirely convinced he's happy here. Dunno why, just doesn't seem like he belongs, or wants to. He's a pro footballer though, so maybe I should remember that these players aren't actually fans and don't really give a shiney one.

I'd like to see more from him. I think he could make it in the PL.

Steve-Harpers-perm · Post by **Steve-Harpers-perm** » Sat Aug 05, 2017 10:25 am

bobinho wrote:Gray has managed to do last season what I thought he couldn't. He improved his overall play. Very happy to have been proved wrong. Gray does well, Burnley do well.

Not entirely convinced he's happy here. Dunno why, just doesn't seem like he belongs, or wants to. He's a pro footballer though, so maybe I should remember that these players aren't actually fans and don't really give a shiney one.

I'd like to see more from him. I think he could make it in the PL.

No he's lazy just like he was the season before when he was top scorer.

Spijed · Post by **Spijed** » Sat Aug 05, 2017 10:29 am

Steve-Harpers-perm wrote:No he's lazy just like he was the season before when he was top scorer.

And let's not forgot, he can't trap a bag of cement either