Bid rejected for chris wood

[Jakubs Tash]

Also Darwika has left

You could also argue that Flanagan and Bamford needed replacing too. They weren't our players but Flanagan was pretty much an ever present sub and once Bamford left we only had 3 x forwards.

Cork replaced Barton
Taylor replaced Flanagan
Walters replaced Bamford/4th striker
Legzdins replaced Robinson
Bardsley replaced Darikwa

Nobody has replaced Keane
Nobody has replaced Gray
Nobody has replaced Boyd
Nobody has replaced Kightly

[bumba]

You could also argue that Flanagan and Bamford needed replacing too. They weren't our players but Flanagan was pretty much an ever present sub and once Bamford left we only had 3 x forwards.

Cork replaced Barton
Taylor replaced Flanagan
Walters replaced Bamford/4th striker
Legzdins replaced Robinson
Bardsley replaced Darikwa

Nobody has replaced Keane
Nobody has replaced Gray
Nobody has replaced Boyd
Nobody has replaced Kightly

Brady was bought in january to replace Boyd as we knew he wasn't renewing wasn't he?

[Jakubs Tash]

Brady was bought in january to replace Boyd as we knew he wasn't renewing wasn't he?

Was he? Didn't he technically replace Kightly who went out on loan? If he was replacing anybody at all surely it would have been Kightly as it was clear that he was leaving in the summer but it wasn't clear that Boyd would leave at that point.

[kentonclaret]

The pedantic on this message board will say that it was always understood that Tarkowski was the replacement for Keane.

So, in effect we need a replacement for Tarkowski.

[claretandy]

Was he? Didn't he technically replace Kightly who went out on loan? If he was replacing anybody at all surely it would have been Kightly as it was clear that he was leaving in the summer but it wasn't clear that Boyd would leave at that point.

Thats the way i see it, Brady replaced Kightly, we need to replace Boyd, Keane and Gray now.

[TVC15]

Was he? Didn't he technically replace Kightly who went out on loan? If he was replacing anybody at all surely it would have been Kightly as it was clear that he was leaving in the summer but it wasn't clear that Boyd would leave at that point.

So you really think Brady was brought in to replace Kightly ?

That's a rather strange view....spending £13m for our development team - as that's where Kightly played most of his games in last couple of years.

[Lancasterclaret]

Brady is an upgrade on Kightly.

But he's also an upgrade on Arfield and Boyd, which is why we bought him

[davemanu2000]

Chris would be a good buy . joining Burnley would make him a better player .

[claretandy]

So you really think Brady was brought in to replace Kightly ?

That's a rather strange view....spending £13m for our development team - as that's where Kightly played most of his games in last couple of years.

That's why he replaced Kightly, because we have moved on since kightly joined, in an ideal world we would have never signed Kightly on a permanent deal but it was part of the loan agreement with stoke that we had to sign him.

[Jakubs Tash]

So you really think Brady was brought in to replace Kightly ?

That's a rather strange view....spending £13m for our development team - as that's where Kightly played most of his games in last couple of years.

Not that strange. We are constantly looking to shift the quality of the squad forwards. The way I see it, Kightly was the next one to move on so therefore Arfield shifted back to where Kightly was in the pecking order and Brady came in as an improvement on Arfield, for example.

It sounds like you expect all direct replacements to be of the same quality as the outgoing player - THAT is strange. In my humble opinion, of course

[TVC15]

What is even stranger is that you seem to think that every new incoming player replaces an outgoing specific player.

That`s clearly not the case....but even if we pretend its true (!!) there is no way in a million years that Dyche brought Brady in to replace Kightly.

In my humble opinion.....that`s just daft !!

[Rick_Muller]

The pedantic on this message board will say that it was always understood that Tarkowski was the replacement for Keane.

So, in effect we need a replacement for Tarkowski.

pedants

[Jakubs Tash]

What is even stranger is that you seem to think that every new incoming player replaces an outgoing specific player.

That`s clearly not the case....but even if we pretend its true (!!) there is no way in a million years that Dyche brought Brady in to replace Kightly.

In my humble opinion.....that`s just daft !!

Fair enough. As you say, that's your opinion and you're entitled to that.

You're probably right, we probably did bring Brady in to replace Boyd. Silly me.

[TVC15]

Fair enough. As you say, that's your opinion and you're entitled to that.

You're probably right, we probably did bring Brady in to replace Boyd. Silly me.

I never said we brought in Brady to replace Boyd....i said we did not bring in Brady to replace Kightly.

As said we are not signing all our new players to replace specific outgoing players - we are in many cases just improving the quality of the squad by bringing in better players.

The fact you actually think Brady was brought in to replace Kightly is laughable.....there is absolutely zero evidence of this.

[Jakubs Tash]

I never said we brought in Brady to replace Boyd....i said we did not bring in Brady to replace Kightly.

As said we are not signing all our new players to replace specific outgoing players - we are in many cases just improving the quality of the squad by bringing in better players.

The fact you actually think Brady was brought in to replace Kightly is laughable.....there is absolutely zero evidence of this.

My mistake re boyd - got you mixed up with Bumba. Apologies.

Maybe my view of replacing outgoing players with incoming players is too simplistic for someone with your obvious in depth knowledge. However, this opinion was based on the fact that we carry such light numbers and therefore anyone who leaves the squad that is classed as 'in the 25' needs replacing.

We had wide options of JBG, Arfield, Boyd and Kightly at the start of Jan '17
Kightly was the one who was always going to leave (Boyd got offered a new deal)
Brady joins - Kightly leaves on loan and won't be renewing his contract
This leaving Brady, JBG, Arfield and Boyd....therefore Brady replaced Kightly in the squad
Boyd doesn't sign his contract extension and leaves
Now leaving Brady, JBG and Arfield....new wide man needed.

[TVC15]

My mistake re boyd - got you mixed up with Bumba. Apologies.

Maybe my view of replacing outgoing players with incoming players is too simplistic for someone with your obvious in depth knowledge. However, this opinion was based on the fact that we carry such light numbers and therefore anyone who leaves the squad that is classed as 'in the 25' needs replacing.

We had wide options of JBG, Arfield, Boyd and Kightly at the start of Jan '17
Kightly was the one who was always going to leave (Boyd got offered a new deal)
Brady joins - Kightly leaves on loan and won't be renewing his contract
This leaving Brady, JBG, Arfield and Boyd....therefore Brady replaced Kightly in the squad
Boyd doesn't sign his contract extension and leaves
Now leaving Brady, JBG and Arfield....new wide man needed.

"My obvious in depth knowledge" ????!!!!

You are the one who is saying that Brady was brought in to replace Kightly....despite the fact that Dyche nor anyone at the club has ever said that and there is no evidence of this at all. You obviously have more knowledge than any of the fans, management team and Board of directors given you seem to be the only one who knows this !!

I haven`t got a clue why you are choosing to connect 2 completely different transactions.

Yes Kightly was always going to leave - that is obvious. But Brady was not bought to replace him. He was just bought to improve the team / squad. It`s pretty simple really. Does not take the depth of knowledge patronising description you allude to - just a bit of common sense darling (metaphorical pat on the head)

[Jakubs Tash]

"My obvious in depth knowledge" ????!!!!

You are the one who is saying that Brady was brought in to replace Kightly....despite the fact that Dyche nor anyone at the club has ever said that and there is no evidence of this at all. You obviously have more knowledge than any of the fans, management team and Board of directors given you seem to be the only one who knows this !!

I haven`t got a clue why you are choosing to connect 2 completely different transactions.

Yes Kightly was always going to leave - that is obvious. But Brady was not bought to replace him. He was just bought to improve the team / squad. It`s pretty simple really. Does not take the depth of knowledge patronising description you allude to - just a bit of common sense darling (metaphorical pat on the head)

Ok, sweetheart. My posts are essentially saying the same thing as yours but you don't seem to see that. Better player comes in and weaker player can leave = squad improves.
Anyway, you have a lovely evening....

[turfytopper]

Thats the way i see it, Brady replaced Kightly, we need to replace Boyd, Keane and Gray now.

Brady was brought in to replace Boyd imo..... Kightley wasn't starting so Brady wasn't brought in to sit on the bench

[MrTopTier]

http://www.insidefutbol.com/2017/08/14/ ... ed/346923/

Sky reporting, Burnley going in with a higher bid tomorrow

[FactualFrank]

Brady was brought in to replace Boyd imo..... Kightley wasn't starting so Brady wasn't brought in to sit on the bench

Thats the way i see it, Brady replaced Kightly, we need to replace Boyd, Keane and Gray now.[/quote

I think Walters was brought in to replace Boyd.

[claretandy]

Brady was brought in to replace Boyd imo..... Kightley wasn't starting so Brady wasn't brought in to sit on the bench

except boyd was starting and brady was on the bench.

[Blyclaret]

Where does it say in that report that Burnley are putting in a higher bid tomorrow ??

[JohnMac]

I absolutely detest all this football talk of someone 'only earning £8,000 per week'.

Bloody hell next it will be 'he can hardly afford to put food on the table'

[RingoMcCartney]

http://www.insidefutbol.com/2017/08/14/ ... ed/346923/

Sky reporting, Burnley going in with a higher bid tomorrow

He's only on 8k a week!?( It's a hell of a lot of money for joe normal)

We can treble that at least!

[claretandy]

No way is he only on 8k a week, i can remember reading nixons tweets at the time and there was on auction between leeds and wolves, i think leeds ended up paying him 27k a week according to nixon.

[Vegas Claret]

not what we need. Sam is more than capable when given good deliveries..............unless Dyche wants him to replace Keane

[Giftonsnoidea]

If we're gonna play 4-5-1 makes sense on a like for like basis, subbing on for Vokes

[Spijed]

not what we need. Sam is more than capable when given good deliveries..............unless Dyche wants him to replace Keane

Suppose the risk is any injuries to Vokes, and the necessary cover.

[MACCA]

Please no.
He's a poor man's Sam Vokes.

The team will be to samey, we need a plan b or change of approach if things aren't working.
Banes/Walters can be the last 20 sub or Vokes replacement.

[Vegas Claret]

Suppose the risk is any injuries to Vokes, and the necessary cover.

Barnes/Walters ?

We aren't gonna spend 15m + for someone to sit on the bench and I would suggest there is little chance of Sam being left out.

[Giftonsnoidea]

We need someone who can replicate the role Sam is playing at the moment wouldn't mind someone better than Chris wood tho. Barnes and Walters are not tall enough as target men. Do we have any scouts in Europe ?

[SparkyClaret]

We need someone who can replicate the role Sam is playing at the moment wouldn't mind someone better than Chris wood tho. Barnes and Walters are not tall enough as target men. Do we have any scouts in Europe ?

Vokes is listed as 6ft 2. Both Walters and Barnes are 6ft. Hardly midgets

[claretspice]

Particularly after saturday, i'd say the priority for us is someone with a really direct, pacey option who can be a goal threat either down the centre in 442 but who can also operate on the right flank in that 451 shape which suited us so well in every other respect on Saturday. On that basis, someone like Shane Long would seem to fit the bill better than Wood.

But - if we're able to sign that pacey wide player/second striker, then ive absolutely no problem with us signing someone like Wood who can offer a more angular and direct centre forward option in this 451. Theyd be effectively pushing Barnes down the pecking order and whilst he's done Ok for us over the past 3 years, I'm a little doubtful about him as our centre forward in a 451.

[3putt]

Please no.
He's a poor man's Sam Vokes.

The team will be to samey, we need a plan b or change of approach if things aren't working.
Banes/Walters can be the last 20 sub or Vokes replacement.

I don't get this "poor man's Sam Vokes" tag that some people are using.

I understand he is a similar player to Vokes, but he scored 27 goals in a an average Championship team last season. Sam scored 20 goals in his great season with a brilliant partner in Ings.

So how can he manage to be so poor and score 27 goals?

When Sam joined us he was already becoming an ordinary journeyman and look how he's developed.

[claretspice]

I don't get this "poor man's Sam Vokes" tag that some people are using.

I understand he is a similar player to Vokes, but he scored 27 goals in a an average Championship team last season. Sam scored 20 goals in his great season with a brilliant partner in Ings.

So how can he manage to be so poor and score 27 goals?

When Sam joined us he was already becoming an ordinary journeyman and look how he's developed.

Completely agree, it seems to me a pretty unthinking comparison. Apart from the fact that Wood has pedigree in his own right, so far as im aware they are pretty different players apart from the fact theyre both tell and strong. One is fairly subtle in his movement and touch, and the other is generally described on the internet as direct, bullying and angular. Its like saying Ibrahimovich and Andy Carroll are similar style players. If Wood is more like one of our strikers, i reckon its Barnes not Vokes.

[Silkyskills1]

I think if we bring in Wood or Long it would be to replace Andre Gray.

[DCWat]

Anderson and Agyei I assume wont count towards the 25, that leaves us with 22 players, by my reckoning, but that includes Marney and Ulvestad.

Hopefully we can shift the latter on, it would probably be best for both parties. That would allow us to bring in at least three (winger, striker, centre half) and perhaps an extra option for for an attacking midfielder, assuming we are playing a five.

[Giftonsnoidea]

Vokes is listed as 6ft 2. Both Walters and Barnes are 6ft. Hardly midgets

Fair comment, I don't think the other two are particularly well renowned for headed goals tho even tho they might be tall. Barnes went through a spell last season of nearly taking opposition players heads off with his elbows when attempting to challenge defenders tohighballs which luckily he stopped doing as a red was gonna be the definite outcome. Walters doesn't look quick or agile enough to play target man either.

[BFC88]

Ok, sweetheart. My posts are essentially saying the same thing as yours but you don't seem to see that. Better player comes in and weaker player can leave = squad improves.
Anyway, you have a lovely evening....

I thought this thread concerned Chris Wood???

Who gives a monkeys who Brady came to replace. He's better than Boyd, Kightly and Arfield and thats why he was signed.

[Silkyskills1]

If Brady hadn't signed Kightly would not have gone to Burton.

[RattyClaret]

If Brady hadn't signed Kightly would not have gone to Burton.

Didn't he go to Southend?

[lrac]

Didn't he go to Southend?

He signed for Southend this summer. Went to button on loan .utc

[KRBFC]

I don't get this "poor man's Sam Vokes" tag that some people are using.

I understand he is a similar player to Vokes, but he scored 27 goals in a an average Championship team last season. Sam scored 20 goals in his great season with a brilliant partner in Ings.

So how can he manage to be so poor and score 27 goals?

When Sam joined us he was already becoming an ordinary journeyman and look how he's developed.

How many PL goals?


How many good seasons has Wood had in his career to date? I count 1 compared with Vokes' 3.

Leeds weren't an average side last year, they choked playoffs with 1 game to spare.

Wood played upfront on his own in a team built around him. As you say, Vokes had to scrap for goals with Ings/Gray next to him, stealing them.

[claptrappers_union]

Daily Mail reporting a £20m bid... if its to be believed, I reckon it looks like we are just offering a big sack of cash rather than a lower bid with add-ons.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/footba ... -Wood.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

A different approach to our low bids and the hope of turning the players head and forcing a move.

[FactualFrank]

How many PL goals?
How many good seasons has Wood had in his career to date? I count 1 compared with Vokes' 3..

One of the worst arguments I've ever read online. You're only as good as your recent form.

You've never seen Wood play, so not sure how you can comment really. I've sat through many pain staking Leeds games and I know exactly how he plays. He's actually pretty fast and defenders are scared to bloody death of him. He gets in their faces, can head a ball but he is always in the right place at the right time. There's a reason why Dyche wants him - he's bloody good!

He is similar to Vokes, but if anybody compares him to Vokes, they've never seen Wood play. You can have a big nose and not be like Vokes

[KRBFC]

One of the worst arguments I've ever read online. You're only as good as your recent form.

You've never seen Wood play, so not sure how you can comment really. I've sat through many pain staking Leeds games and I know exactly how he plays. He's actually pretty fast and defenders are scared to bloody death of him. He gets in their faces, can head a ball but he is always in the right place at the right time. There's a reason why Dyche wants him - he's bloody good!

He is similar to Vokes, but if anybody compares him to Vokes, they've never seen Wood play. You can have a big nose and not be like Vokes

I have never seen him play? Ok.
I never said he was a bad player, he'd be a good signing based on his form last season but is that really Chris Wood or did he just have the season of his life? I can confirm the Leeds fans hated him before last season, why was that? If I remember correctly he couldn't even consistently get in the Leeds team the season before last. Which Chris Wood would we get? The one who couldn't hit a barn door for years or the great striker he was last year?

[FactualFrank]

I have never seen him play? Ok.
I never said he was a bad player, he'd be a good signing based on his form last season but is that really Chris Wood or did he just have the season of his life? I can confirm the Leeds fans hated him before last season, why was that? If I remember correctly he couldn't even consistently get in the Leeds team the season before last. Which Chris Wood would we get? The one who couldn't hit a barn door for years or the great striker he was last year?

2 words... Jamie Vardy.

Did you see him before his scoring season? He was bang average. And then - superb.

Thats what happens with footballers. You can be pretty average and then you're one of the best footballers in Europe. It happens.

[claptrappers_union]

If given the choice 2 years ago between Gray and Wood, I would've gone for Wood.

[KRBFC]

2 words... Jamie Vardy.

Did you see him before his scoring season? He was bang average. And then - superb.

Thats what happens with footballers. You can be pretty average and then you're one of the best footballers in Europe. It happens.

Yeah but id be a bit concerned by us spending £20M on a player who's had one good season. One season wonders do exist, hopefully he's the same player he was last season, if he is im sure he'll be a good fit.

[FactualFrank]

Yeah but id be a bit concerned by us spending £20M on a player who's had one good season. One season wonders do exist, hopefully he's the same player he was last season, if he is im sure he'll be a good fit.

I'm concerned with every transfer haha. I do know where you're coming from. But if we sign Chris Wood, it would be a hell of a signing - although I'm hearing other clubs have offered more and we won't match it, so we probs wont be having him anyway.

Bump this thread up when the club trumping us have him as their leading scorer. We should up our limit and buy him. He can score as many as Andre Gray. A different player but he can do a job.