Eni Aluko

Walton · Post by **Walton** » Wed Sep 20, 2017 6:06 pm

Not just leaving, not just mutual consent, but sacked.

He's clearly done something wrong, despite all the people falling over themselves defending him on here.

Foshiznik · Post by **Foshiznik** » Wed Sep 20, 2017 6:06 pm

Firthy wrote:Spot on. They've progressed really well under Sampson and just beat Russia 6-0. Just another example of PC gone mad and an over sensitive wannabe looking for attention. Doubt the new manager will pick her, no way they'll risk playing with fire.

They are a good team. They were just held back by Hope Powell. She should have left about 5 years before she did. Hopefully someone with more than one plan unlike Sampson will replace him.

aggi · Post by **aggi** » Wed Sep 20, 2017 6:07 pm

Weirdly sacked for misconduct in a previous job at Bristol - not the England one Mark Sampson has been sacked as England women's manager following evidence of "inappropriate and unacceptable" behaviour in a previous role.

Convenient they've just found out about that ...

Rick_Muller · Post by **Rick_Muller** » Wed Sep 20, 2017 6:10 pm

Perhaps we should have sacked Andre for his tweets - ahh well

Giftonsnoidea · Post by **Giftonsnoidea** » Wed Sep 20, 2017 6:12 pm

Firthy wrote:Spot on. They've progressed really well under Sampson and just beat Russia 6-0. Just another example of PC gone mad and an over sensitive wannabe looking for attention. Doubt the new manager will pick her, no way they'll risk playing with fire.

I doubt any manager with any sense would pick her after this debacle, maybe their every utterance would come back to haunt them even if it was supposed to be a joke, however insensitive!

thatdberight · Post by **thatdberight** » Wed Sep 20, 2017 6:19 pm

Walton wrote:Not just leaving, not just mutual consent, but sacked.

He's clearly done something wrong, despite all the people falling over themselves defending him on here.

Clearly related to something completely different, despite you falling over yourself to imply otherwise on here.

evensteadiereddie · Post by **evensteadiereddie** » Wed Sep 20, 2017 6:28 pm

I O U an elk.

Walton · Post by **Walton** » Wed Sep 20, 2017 7:33 pm

thatdberight wrote:Clearly related to something completely different, despite you falling over yourself to imply otherwise on here.

Just shows that he's always been a c*nt, and it's amazing he got this far in his career when he acts like he does in every job he's held.

Just adds more weight to Aluko's claims, and shows him up as a slimeball.

Greenmile · Post by **Greenmile** » Wed Sep 20, 2017 8:09 pm

Rowls wrote:...I'll have to take your word that she cooperated with the first investigation.

You really don't. You could look it up on the internet. In fact, you could have done that before you falsely claimed she hadn't - twice in one post.

IanMcL · Post by **IanMcL** » Thu Sep 21, 2017 12:13 am

Had his contract paid up. Hardly the sack.

HunterST_BFC · Post by **HunterST_BFC** » Thu Sep 21, 2017 12:27 am

Due Diligence by the FA?
Nah. Nothing their fault.

FA just being the FA..... And protecting their own positions. Again...

Bin Ont Turf · Post by **Bin Ont Turf** » Thu Sep 21, 2017 12:58 am

Walton wrote:Just shows that he's always been a c*nt, and it's amazing he got this far in his career when he acts like he does in every job he's held.

Just adds more weight to Aluko's claims, and shows him up as a slimeball.

You could just shorten it by saying that you don't like Welsh people.

HunterST_BFC · Post by **HunterST_BFC** » Thu Sep 21, 2017 1:01 am

https://www.theguardian.com/football/20 ... iel-taylor

Well this is out there now.

FA doing FA - not their fault (REALLY?)

edit typo

Rick_Muller · Post by **Rick_Muller** » Thu Sep 21, 2017 10:08 am

Just found this http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-ma ... r-41337127" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; and I am guessing that Tranmere's "Super White Army" banner was covered so as not to offend anyone. My question is, where does this all stop?

Chobulous · Post by **Chobulous** » Thu Sep 21, 2017 10:19 am

PNE will now have to look for a new nickname. Can't be called the Lillywhites for the above reason, can't be called the Knobends for fear of reinforcing dominant male stereotypes. Big problem for them on the horizon.

Lancasterclaret · Post by **Lancasterclaret** » Thu Sep 21, 2017 10:25 am

Beinig serious for a sec, there are clearly two issues here, and the only way to find out if they are linked is for a proper investigation.

Its not fair on anyone to assume that they are or are not.

Firthy · Post by **Firthy** » Thu Sep 21, 2017 10:33 am

Not sure which is worse. This or same sex couples in Strictly.

NottsClaret · Post by **NottsClaret** » Thu Sep 21, 2017 10:37 am

Lancasterclaret wrote:Beinig serious for a sec, there are clearly two issues here, and the only way to find out if they are linked is for a proper investigation.

Its not fair on anyone to assume that they are or are not.

Is this your first time on the internet Lancaster?

We might never know exactly who said what, we might not have access to any investigation, or even know much about the background to all this. But that shouldn't stop anyone applying their own long held beliefs, values and prejudices to whatever story pops up.

Jeez. I shouldn't be needing to tell you this.

Lancasterclaret · Post by **Lancasterclaret** » Thu Sep 21, 2017 10:42 am

Good point, very well made!

I must be having some sort of weird "everybody is basically ok really when you think about it" moment.

The Enclosure · Post by **The Enclosure** » Thu Sep 21, 2017 10:59 am

Surely a CRB check would have been done on Sampson before he was offered the England job. If not why not ?
Why was the reason for the investigation during his Bristol coaching job not acted upon at his interview for the England job......if it is a sacking offence now then why was he given the England job.
Total and inexcusable incompetence by one or more people at the FA and I fully expect they willbe hounded out of their jobs by both the press and the Sports Ministry and quite rightly so.

Edit.....changed to CRB

ClaretEngineer · Post by **ClaretEngineer** » Thu Sep 21, 2017 11:02 am

The Enclosure wrote:Surely a CPR check would have been done on Sampson before he was offered the England job. If not why not ?
Why was the reason for the investigation during his Bristol coaching job not acted upon at his interview for the England job......if it is a sacking offence now then why was he given the England job.
Total and inexcusable incompetence by one or more people at the FA and I fully expect they willbe hounded out of their jobs by both the press and the Sports Ministry and quite rightly so.

What so you're saying that just being alive qualifies you for the England job?

That would explain a lot

jlup1980 · Post by **jlup1980** » Thu Sep 21, 2017 11:03 am

Rick_Muller wrote:Just found this http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-ma ... r-41337127" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; and I am guessing that Tranmere's "Super White Army" banner was covered so as not to offend anyone. My question is, where does this all stop?

Wow. Just wow. What complete and utter rubbish. People really are looking for things to be offended by aren't they.

UpTheBeehole · Post by **UpTheBeehole** » Thu Sep 21, 2017 11:06 am

jlup1980 wrote:Wow. Just wow. What complete and utter rubbish. People really are looking for things to be offended by aren't they.

No one has taken offence though have they?

The FA just removed it.

MACCA · Post by **MACCA** » Thu Sep 21, 2017 11:09 am

To be fair I don't watch any rugby New Zealand play, due to their racist views.

thatdberight · Post by **thatdberight** » Thu Sep 21, 2017 12:01 pm

UpTheBeehole wrote:No one has taken offence though have they?

The FA just removed it.

So when we get this far down the road of this madness it's OK? No-one took offence (I suggest you check Lucy Bronze's Instagram to see just how wrong you are) but the FA removed it because people would take offence. So that's OK then. No need to ponder how we got to a stage where the f*cktard serial offendees have preemptive strikes taken on their behalf over this?

The Enclosure · Post by **The Enclosure** » Thu Sep 21, 2017 12:10 pm

ClaretEngineer wrote:What so you're saying that just being alive qualifies you for the England job?

That would explain a lot

Thanks Claret Engineer I did type CRB...honest lol

jlup1980 · Post by **jlup1980** » Thu Sep 21, 2017 12:15 pm

UpTheBeehole wrote:No one has taken offence though have they?

The FA just removed it.

The fact that anyone could possibly be offended by it takes the proverbial!

I guess as The Clarets we must offend all other red wine makers as well. Covering that flag, which has absolutely nothing to do with racism is just pandering to those idiots who get offended on other people's behalf.

What next? Chelsea can't have flags saying The Blues as they offend those with depression?!

aggi · Post by **aggi** » Thu Sep 21, 2017 12:59 pm

Out of curiosity, do the FA cover up banners refer to the teams who play at the ground as a matter of course or was that a special case? I don't remember seeing any Spurs branding watching England at Wembley but that is a slightly different case.

On the FA, even when they're trying to get themselves out of a hole they still come across as patronising and out of touch. From the FA chief exec explaining what happened re: Samson Our problem was the grown-ups in the organisation hadn’t seen the report

RocketLawnChair · Post by **RocketLawnChair** » Thu Sep 21, 2017 1:24 pm

aggi wrote:Out of curiosity, do the FA cover up banners[/i]

No, Just racists sexists and paedos...

boatshed bill · Post by **boatshed bill** » Thu Sep 21, 2017 5:23 pm

KRBFC wrote:Scrap women's football, soft arses.

Best post on this Thread!

CaptainKirk · Post by **CaptainKirk** » Thu Sep 21, 2017 5:44 pm

Anyone else noticed the mad drive by the BBC to push womens' football at every opportunity? I think they may be trying to make the general public care about it a bit more but they have got a job on their hands there.
I remember a bulletin on the BBC where they were giving the result and report of something like Arsenal v Man Utd and I was thinking I didn't know they were playing only for them to slip in that it was a womens' match half way through.

UpTheBeehole · Post by **UpTheBeehole** » Wed Oct 18, 2017 2:42 pm

It's the parliamentary inquiry today, and Martin Glenn of the FA has said this:

On behalf of The Football Association I would like to sincerely apologise to Eniola Aluko and Drew Spence,” Glenn said in a statement.

“Based on new evidence submitted to independent barrister Katharine Newton, she has now found that they were both subject to discriminatory remarks made by an FA employee. This is not acceptable.

https://www.theguardian.com/football/li ... tions-live

Some humble pie required for some posters I think.

UpTheBeehole · Post by **UpTheBeehole** » Wed Oct 18, 2017 2:46 pm

Katharine Newton's report concludes Sampson “did treat Eni Aluko less favourably than he would have treated player who was not of African descent”

UpTheBeehole · Post by **UpTheBeehole** » Wed Oct 18, 2017 2:58 pm

Have you been paid the full amount of your settlement by the FA? “I have not,” Aluko says.

Why not? “They were agreed in two tranches. The FA have claimed I was defamatory in a tweet I have sent and on that basis they feel they were legally entitled to withold the payment. I disagree with that. I think when the initial Daily Mail article came out I was very brief. I wanted people to still support the England team. It was only after that when a lot of misleading stories came out and I felt I needed to speak out. The FA were keen for me to be very clear. I have given two interviews.”

Aluko says that Martin Glenn intimated to her that if she released a statement that if she released a statement saying that the FA is not institutionally racist then she would receive the rest of her settlement money. She refused.

Eni Aluko says more about Martin Glenn: “For Martin Glenn to effectively suggest that I should say the FA was not institutionally racist [when I had a legal agreement], I think it is a suggestion that the case has been handled appallingly. I don’t know what the legal definition of blackmail is but I think I was being asked to do something I hadn’t ordinarily have done to receive the rest of my payment.”

UpTheBeehole · Post by **UpTheBeehole** » Wed Oct 18, 2017 3:28 pm

UpTheBeehole wrote:It's a little strange that England didn't select the leading scorer in the previous season's WSL for Euro 2017 isn't it.

Eni Aluko asks why any player would ever come forward with issues again after seeing what’s happened to her. She’s asked if it’s normal for the Golden Boot winner not to be in the England squad. “I don’t think so. Hypothetically would Harry Kane not be picked if he won the Golden Boot? I don’t think so.”

Hazzyclaret1955 · Post by **Hazzyclaret1955** » Wed Oct 18, 2017 6:13 pm

The silence is deafening

bfccrazy · Post by **bfccrazy** » Wed Oct 18, 2017 6:50 pm

Course Harry Kane would be picked - he's not black

Sidney1st · Post by **Sidney1st** » Wed Oct 18, 2017 7:01 pm

The FA are trying to wrangle out of being labelled institutionally racist, if they're not careful they'll get labelled with some other stuff too.

I can see some big changes coming to the hierarchy, could be time for the old boys club at the top to be dismantled.

Clarets4me · Post by **Clarets4me** » Wed Oct 18, 2017 7:14 pm

Very surprised if, when this dies down, a journalist doesn't start looking at the Aluko family, some of it's business affairs, her father's political life, and perhaps some views from the England players on Ms Aluko and her attitude and comments.. I'm sure all will be well and that Ms Aluko will be welcomed back into the England squad with open arms..

In terms of her International record, 33 goals in 103 appearances looks OK, but then strip out 21 goals that were scored in 16 matches won by England by 3-0 or more ( Usually W/C or Euro qualifiers ), by an aggregate of 87 -1. Her record is then 12 goals from 87 games....

Mark Sampson's comments were clearly inappropriate and he has paid a very high price for his utterances... I understand he's put his claim for unfair dismissal into Court today, I doubt the FA or Eni Aluko will want to see the whole story laid bare in Court, perhaps with England players as witnesses under oath, I can feel another pay-off coming on....

RocketLawnChair · Post by **RocketLawnChair** » Wed Oct 18, 2017 7:29 pm

89 posts since September and I haven't read one seriously defending the FA, A new independent investigation concludes Sampson isn't a racist and can proceed with his unfair dismissal case as well as pocketing 9 months wages for doing nowt. Oh and Aluko wasn't subjected to bullying.

But posters on here need to start eating ""humble pie"".. I suggest you serve yourself a bloody great dollop UTB

thatdberight · Post by **thatdberight** » Wed Oct 18, 2017 10:04 pm

UpTheBeehole wrote:Katharine Newton's report concludes Sampson “did treat Eni Aluko less favourably than he would have treated player who was not of African descent”

In trying to understand this, I'm struggling to find this remark in most of the media which seems weird as it's by far the most serious outcome. It's tweeted by a Guardian journalist and repeated in a few non-UK places but not in most sources which are, unanimously, critical of the FA and Sampson. Very strange.

ClaretEngineer · Post by **ClaretEngineer** » Wed Oct 18, 2017 10:26 pm

Same. All that’s been referenced in regards to Eniola Aluko is the joke about not bringing Ebola back from Nigeria. I agree that it’s in very poor taste to make a joke about such things, though it’s hardly an unreasonable comment.

He could have said the same if one of the white British players had visited Nigeria or Africa during that period. Again maybe poor taste but hardly a sackable offence.

Don’t mistake this as defending the guy, more understanding the facts of the matter and what some describe as prejudice is not always necessarily so.

thatdberight · Post by **thatdberight** » Wed Oct 18, 2017 10:57 pm

ClaretEngineer wrote:Same. All that’s been reference in regards to Eniola Aluko is the joke about not bringing Ebola back from Nigeria. I agree in that it’s very Taste to make a joke about such things, though it’s hardly an unreasonable comment.

I'd have agreed but apparently it's against the law. It's not a "joke" I'd ever have made, nor one I'd find funny or be happy with. But apparently it's against the law. Well we're warned now.

Guich · Post by **Guich** » Thu Oct 19, 2017 4:09 pm

I always thought it a little odd the womens' team had a male coach. You'd have to be a bit mad, or a bit Sid James, to take it.

Firthy · Post by **Firthy** » Fri Oct 20, 2017 11:04 am

OMG I can't believe how pathetic this all is. Now the goalkeeping coach is being investigated because he spoke to her with a Caribbean accent, she's upset because she's African. Maybe he should have used an Afrikaans accent and really upset her.

Whoever the next manager is, they won't go near her with a bargepole. There are people dying through starvation all over the world and this is all she has to complain about.

Rileybobs · Post by **Rileybobs** » Fri Oct 20, 2017 11:25 am

Firthy wrote:There are people dying through starvation all over the world and this is all she has to complain about.

There are people being trafficked for modern slavery and this is all you have to complain about.

Chobulous · Post by **Chobulous** » Fri Oct 20, 2017 11:32 am

Firthy wrote:OMG I can't believe how pathetic this all is. Now the goalkeeping coach is being investigated because he spoke to her with a Caribbean accent, she's upset because she's African. Maybe he should have used an Afrikaans accent and really upset her.

Whoever the next manager is, they won't go near her with a bargepole. There are people dying through starvation all over the world and this is all she has to complain about.

I'm sorry but why would he think he needed to use any other accent but his own. He obviously used a fake Caribbean accent because she is black, no other possible explanation. I am not an apologist for political correctness, and I think that Aluko has been milking this to a certain extent, but if you can't see what is wrong here then you aren't trying to look. She didn't say she was upset because she was African, she was upset because she was black, the African bit inferred that the coach couldn't even make the distinction between African or Caribbean i.e. all black people are the same.

UpTheBeehole · Post by **UpTheBeehole** » Fri Oct 20, 2017 11:33 am

Firthy wrote:OMG I can't believe how pathetic this all is. Now the goalkeeping coach is being investigated because he spoke to her with a Caribbean accent, she's upset because she's African. Maybe he should have used an Afrikaans accent and really upset her.

Whoever the next manager is, they won't go near her with a bargepole. There are people dying through starvation all over the world and this is all she has to complain about.

If I spoke to you in a mock Scottish accent every day, you'd get annoyed wouldn't you.

Guich · Post by **Guich** » Fri Oct 20, 2017 11:35 am

UpTheBeehole wrote:If I spoke to you in a mock Scottish accent every day, you'd get annoyed wouldn't you.

I don't think he's being accused of doing it every day. Having said that, it is a very strange thing to do

Chobulous · Post by **Chobulous** » Fri Oct 20, 2017 11:38 am

Guich wrote:I always thought it a little odd the womens' team had a male coach. You'd have to be a bit mad, or a bit Sid James, to take it.

The needed someone to explain the offside rule