Joe Hart Englands number one

cricketfieldclarets · Post by **cricketfieldclarets** » Thu Aug 31, 2017 11:11 pm

Gareth Southgate has come out and backed him and said he is Englands best keeper despite his poor start to the season. Following an average season last year.

Oh well at least Heatons unlikely to get injured.

piston broke · Post by **piston broke** » Thu Aug 31, 2017 11:16 pm

Unless he gets piles on that cold bench.

Blackrod · Post by **Blackrod** » Thu Aug 31, 2017 11:16 pm

Hart called up on past record not form.
Chalobah called up because he played for U21s. Proving he's giving youth a chance. No way he should be called up.

Steve1956 · Post by **Steve1956** » Thu Aug 31, 2017 11:18 pm

Who cares International football is Gash!

tiger76 · Post by **tiger76** » Thu Aug 31, 2017 11:19 pm

What do you have to do to be dropped from the England football team,just as bad as the cricketers,we have to be more ruthless and get young hungry players, for the keeper as Pickford is injured, i would have played Butland in one of the games and possibly Heats in the other,same old boys network, i hoped Southgate would be different

ly not.

starting_11 · Post by **starting_11** » Thu Aug 31, 2017 11:30 pm

Why would he be different? £4m a year and all you have to do is answer to a couple of dinosaurs and you're laffin'!

tiger76 · Post by **tiger76** » Thu Aug 31, 2017 11:35 pm

starting_11 wrote:Why would he be different? £4m a year and all you have to do is answer to a couple of dinosaurs and you're laffin'!

I think the expectation was he would give more of the u21s a crack at the big time,i guess he picked Chalobah but apart from that it's predictable,England will waltz this group as usual, and then flop in a major tournament again,even reaching the QF seems beyond us now.

boatshed bill · Post by **boatshed bill** » Thu Aug 31, 2017 11:56 pm

To be perfectly honest, from everything I've heard in the media, Tom Heaton may as well not be there.

brigante · Post by **brigante** » Thu Aug 31, 2017 11:57 pm

This decision proves that Southgate is a plonker

Vegas Claret · Post by **Vegas Claret** » Fri Sep 01, 2017 12:10 am

When he was appointed I said he was ****, when he picked his first squad I said he was ****, when he picked his first team I said he was ****. Joe Hart is at best the 4th best English goalkeeper. Southgate out

Colburn_Claret · Post by **Colburn_Claret** » Fri Sep 01, 2017 5:53 am

Out of the 4 keepers he selected, Hart is without doubt the worst, and by a bloody long way.
Gareth needs to give his head a shake.

Woodleyclaret · Post by **Woodleyclaret** » Fri Sep 01, 2017 6:45 am

Forget the heart that says Tom is England's no 1 the head and the stats say he is.Southgate was a media pick himself.A very mediocre player who became a very unsuccessful team manager ,who then was promoted to his level true level of incompetence despite achieving nothing.
He then picks the worst goalkeeper we have and useless Chalobah.
It's shame BFS was caught out.

claretblue · Post by **claretblue** » Fri Sep 01, 2017 7:00 am

joke!

EarbyClaret · Post by **EarbyClaret** » Fri Sep 01, 2017 8:33 am

You can see an improvement in Tom's game from being involved in the England set up and that is by far the biggest benefit.

The games themselves are meaningless. Hart plays tonight. Is a virtual spectator. Clean sheet. Is picked for the next game. England qualify with ease. We come up against proper teams in the tournament itself. Hart (and others) found wanting. We crash out early. Draw for European qualifiers groups us with San Marino and Gibraltar. Repeat cycle.

SalisburyClaret · Post by **SalisburyClaret** » Fri Sep 01, 2017 9:03 am

This basically says that it doesn't matter how well you perform, the senior old school players will always be first choice. Failing that it's anyone who played for the U21's when Southgate was there

Heaton has been consistently outstanding for the last 4 seasons. I can't remember the last time Hart had an outstanding game never mind a season.

There's no logical, statistical or sports based reason for this. The other keepers should be ahead of Hart as well so it's not just because Tom's face doesn't fit.

It's just ugly favouritism

Zesty · Post by **Zesty** » Fri Sep 01, 2017 9:49 am

Conceded 10 so far hasn't he? 3rd choice at best

jlup1980 · Post by **jlup1980** » Fri Sep 01, 2017 12:22 pm

"I believe he's our best goalkeeper at the moment," manager Gareth Southgate said.

If Southgate really thinks Hart is still our best option in goal he needs to walk away from the job. It's a clear bias, "jobs for the boys" scenario.

I'm not suggesting Heaton should start, but in my opinion the only choice Southgate has is to play either Tom or Butland. Hart has been very poor since the last Euros, very poor. You can't pick players on reputation alone. He's been a great keeper in the past, but he's always had an error in him. Recently those errors are occurring more regularly.

JohnMac · Post by **JohnMac** » Fri Sep 01, 2017 12:36 pm

Blackrod wrote:Hart called up on past record not form.
Chalobah called up because he played for U21s. Proving he's giving youth a chance. No way he should be called up.

Just because Chalobah didn't set Burnley alight does not make him a poor player. He didn't fit our system and looked to all intents and purposes a panic loan in a really poor transfer window.

bfcjg · Post by **bfcjg** » Fri Sep 01, 2017 6:20 pm

Harts flakey. Tom is head and shoulders above him.

Darthlaw · Post by **Darthlaw** » Fri Sep 01, 2017 6:26 pm

Teflon Joe is #1 again. Yet another reason to swerve the England team until the next manager.

One day it'll change...

Probably...

Maybe...

Most likely not.

Wile E Coyote · Post by **Wile E Coyote** » Fri Sep 01, 2017 6:26 pm

feel a bit sorry for tom, he's "head and shoulders" better than Hart.

box_of_frogs · Post by **box_of_frogs** » Fri Sep 01, 2017 6:27 pm

I genuinely hope Hart makes a howler or 3 tonight, not so that we lose, just so that it is highlighted that he isn't the best. Again, not saying it should be Tom, but both him and Butland are better players and also in better form.

Wile E Coyote · Post by **Wile E Coyote** » Fri Sep 01, 2017 6:35 pm

hart is a liability, heaton has never been that shambolic in his career as hart was in world cup, southgate is a t*t for sticking with him.
pity the england team is so crap as well, who'd want to be called up to play thesedays when they have long been a joke team.

Vegas Claret · Post by **Vegas Claret** » Fri Sep 01, 2017 6:43 pm

Dear Mr Southgate

Antmass · Post by **Antmass** » Fri Sep 01, 2017 6:48 pm

EarbyClaret wrote:You can see an improvement in Tom's game from being involved in the England set up and that is by far the biggest benefit.

The games themselves are meaningless. Hart plays tonight. Is a virtual spectator. Clean sheet. Is picked for the next game. England qualify with ease. We come up against proper teams in the tournament itself. Hart (and others) found wanting. We crash out early. Draw for European qualifiers groups us with San Marino and Gibraltar. Repeat cycle.

Spot on!

Steve1956 · Post by **Steve1956** » Fri Sep 01, 2017 8:25 pm

Watched this gash till Masterchef comes on at 8.30... tedious in the extreme!

tim_noone · Post by **tim_noone** » Fri Sep 01, 2017 8:45 pm

box_of_frogs wrote:I genuinely hope Hart makes a howler or 3 tonight, not so that we lose, just so that it is highlighted that he isn't the best. Again, not saying it should be Tom, but both him and Butland are better players and also in better form.

Harts been outstanding so far.

box_of_frogs · Post by **box_of_frogs** » Fri Sep 01, 2017 8:55 pm

tim_noone wrote:Harts been standing around so far.

Amended that for you.

tim_noone · Post by **tim_noone** » Fri Sep 01, 2017 8:58 pm

box_of_frogs wrote:Amended that for you.

Thanks..I'll get a bigger net!

box_of_frogs · Post by **box_of_frogs** » Fri Sep 01, 2017 9:01 pm

South West Claret. · Post by **South West Claret.** » Fri Sep 01, 2017 9:25 pm

Hart must have something on Southgate.

Claretitus · Post by **Claretitus** » Fri Sep 01, 2017 11:04 pm

South West Claret. wrote:Hart must have something on Southgate.

Yep. He must have some pics of GS bumming a dog or something.

scouseclaret · Post by **scouseclaret** » Fri Sep 01, 2017 11:11 pm

Makes you wonder if Southgate actually watches any football if he still thinks Hart is better than Heaton.

bfcjg · Post by **bfcjg** » Sat Sep 02, 2017 9:41 am

Claretitus wrote:Yep. He must have some pics of GS bumming a dog or something.

I think in such an event was ever made public the dog would be more embarrased.

IanMcL · Post by **IanMcL** » Sat Sep 02, 2017 8:43 pm

Southgate should boil his head.
1. Hart is number 1 keeper....even though a difficult season to date.
2. After 3 matches the others have not done enough to displace him. (About 2.5 seasons actually Gareth!)
3. He will have to be on his goes, as we have 2 up and coming keepers to challenge him.
What the #$@#? Have you dismissed the best keeper in England over 2 seasons, in favour of an existing fallible flapper, an injury returned who has yet to get going and a young shot saver who has much to learn?
Idiot.

Damo · Post by **Damo** » Sat Sep 02, 2017 9:11 pm

It's the same, no matter who the "manager" is. I honestly don't believe Southgate picks the squad or the starting line up.

Leon C · Post by **Leon C** » Sun Sep 03, 2017 8:52 am

If we owned Joe Heart how much would we we sell him for?

Caernarfon_Claret · Post by **Caernarfon_Claret** » Sun Sep 03, 2017 10:18 am

Hart seems to play in the easy group games - but Heaton and Butland etc get game time against Spain and France - so when the World Cup comes and Hart is number one, England fall at the group stage yet again as we come up against half decent opposition.

IanMcL · Post by **IanMcL** » Sun Sep 03, 2017 10:19 am

We would loan him out until he disappears!

elwaclaret · Post by **elwaclaret** » Sun Sep 03, 2017 3:30 pm

The fact is Southgate got the job because no one else wanted it. His record with senior players at club level prove that. He did well with hungry kids who don't get into their club first teams. TBF Hart is the established keeper, with the experience - and he was far better than the previous challengers for his position. Southgate lacks the balls to push through the very players that offer something exciting and different in case it blows up in his face - not surprising with our media who like nothing better than failure.

The reason the Germans win competition after competition is they're ruthless and once there is a couple of years before the next tourney they clear out everyone despite reputations and look to having a young hungry team when it matters.... England ask Wayne Rooney to come back rather than take a chance.

tiger76 · Post by **tiger76** » Sun Sep 03, 2017 4:06 pm

elwaclaret wrote:The fact is Southgate got the job because no one else wanted it. His record with senior players at club level prove that. He did well with hungry kids who don't get into their club first teams. TBF Hart is the established keeper, with the experience - and he was far better than the previous challengers for his position. Southgate lacks the balls to push through the very players that offer something exciting and different in case it blows up in his face - not surprising with our media who like nothing better than failure.

The reason the Germans win competition after competition is they're ruthless and once there is a couple of years before the next tourney they clear out everyone despite reputations and look to having a young hungry team when it matters.... England ask Wayne Rooney to come back rather than take a chance.

Spot on the French and Spanish are the same the only player who impressed against Malta was Rashford young hungry and pacy.
All we are saying is give youth a chance.Wales brought a 17 year old on last night and he wins the game,Sanches who has just moved to Swansea is a regular Portuguese international , yet we persist with failed players,what

me about England the other evening was the lack of energy and enterprise, if Chamberlain's a 40 million pound player god help us.

claretblue · Post by **claretblue** » Sun Sep 03, 2017 5:06 pm

elwaclaret wrote: England ask Wayne Rooney to come back rather than take a chance.

he's busy with the domestic scene!

Leon C · Post by **Leon C** » Sun Sep 03, 2017 5:43 pm

That's ridiculous