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Re: Hurricane Irma

Post by dsr » Mon Sep 11, 2017 1:11 am

gandhisflipflop wrote:Just out of curiosity I have always wondered what happens to the theme parks at times like this. Surely they are built with these things in mind? Are they expecting major damage and/or closures?
Last time I was at Disneyworld, they told me the park had been evacuated only once in its history and there were a few times (but rare) when people had to stay in the hotels all day. For Irma, they're expecting 55 mph winds and the parks are closed, but the hotels are still open.

I think it's because it's inland and up a hill. Hurricanes, I understand, don't climb hills very well.

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Re: Hurricane Irma

Post by Vegas Claret » Mon Sep 11, 2017 1:18 am

well Irma has turned North East so instead of going to Tampa they reckon it could be closer to Orlando, getting weaker by the minute though which is a good thing

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Re: Hurricane Irma

Post by gandhisflipflop » Mon Sep 11, 2017 1:20 am

You forget just how big Florida is. It's automatic to think of Disney when you hear about Florida.

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Re: Hurricane Irma

Post by BurningBeard » Mon Sep 11, 2017 1:33 am

Winds will be more like 80 mph around Orlando. Flash flooding expected. Will be 'sleeping' downstairs tonight with the news broadcast on. Hopefully the power stays on.

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Re: Hurricane Irma

Post by BurningBeard » Mon Sep 11, 2017 5:04 am

Vegas Claret wrote:well Irma has turned North East so instead of going to Tampa they reckon it could be closer to Orlando, getting weaker by the minute though which is a good thing
Because of this course the eye will be passing over, or extremely close to us imminently. Winds of c100 mph. Power still on at present.

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Re: Hurricane Irma

Post by BurningBeard » Mon Sep 11, 2017 5:16 am

Power now out in this area.

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Re: Hurricane Irma

Post by morpheus2 » Mon Sep 11, 2017 7:40 am

Imploding Turtle wrote:The even have a graphic. I guess this isn't the first time people have shot at hurricanes.

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Actually it may not work with bullets, but.....a few strategically detonated 20 megaton hydrogen bombs on the leading edge might just stop it as it wheels forward, it might take 9 0r 10 detonations as it advances before it stops it but they would need to be careful that they do not send it in reverse over the already devastated areas as that would be unfair.

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Re: Hurricane Irma

Post by CaptJohn » Mon Sep 11, 2017 10:20 am

Burningbeard: You OK over there? How was the night?

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Re: Hurricane Irma

Post by Imploding Turtle » Mon Sep 11, 2017 10:21 am

Dark, and full of terrors.

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Re: Hurricane Irma

Post by BurningBeard » Mon Sep 11, 2017 11:41 am

All safe thanks Capt. Rough night, just caught an hours sleep after staying awake and vigilant through the worst of it. My son slept through the whole thing so at least I'll be able to say as a fact that he can sleep through a hurricane!

As of 5AM local it looks to be about 80 miles north west of us. Not been outside yet obviously but a peek out of the window suggests foliage on the street but no trees ripped out, visited buildings or cars damaged.

I offered a bit further up the thread to drive round to your place (maybe tomorrow) to check it out. Offer still stands.

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Re: Hurricane Irma

Post by BurningBeard » Mon Sep 11, 2017 11:42 am

Imploding Turtle wrote:Dark, and full of terrors.
Not far off IT.

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Re: Hurricane Irma

Post by FactualFrank » Mon Sep 11, 2017 11:49 am

gandhisflipflop wrote:You forget just how big Florida is. It's automatic to think of Disney when you hear about Florida.
True. It's larger than England.

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Re: Hurricane Irma

Post by If it be your will » Mon Sep 11, 2017 12:26 pm

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Re: Hurricane Irma

Post by gandhisflipflop » Mon Sep 11, 2017 12:30 pm

If it be your will wrote:I happened to be reading this...
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-41224243" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
...when I saw this:

The British Virgin Islands' premier, Orlando Smith, said they would need long-term help from the UK: "We are a resilient people but this has shaken us to our core.

"A comprehensive economic package for reconstruction backed by the UK Government will be needed over the long-term in order to return to normalcy,"


Are the British Virgin Islands seriously expecting UK taxpayers to repair their tax haven? Why don't they tax their own (phenomenally wealthy) tax exiles to pay for the repairs? There's only so many teachers they can sack in England to pay for their repairs. I can feel a letter to my MP brewing.
Like a letter to your mp is going to make any difference in all fairness

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Re: Hurricane Irma

Post by If it be your will » Mon Sep 11, 2017 12:41 pm

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Re: Hurricane Irma

Post by Turftalkers mentor » Mon Sep 11, 2017 2:25 pm

If it be your will whilst I understand your economic observations,being in Florida with my grandchildren and having been through the eye of the hurricane last night thankfully we are all safe . However may I suggest you join other m essageboards from lesser clubs where intelligence isn't a prerequisite.

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Re: Hurricane Irma

Post by CaptJohn » Mon Sep 11, 2017 2:26 pm

BurningBeard: I'd be grateful for your offer. The address is 745 Kildrummy Drive, Davenport, 33896. It's on the Sanctuary at Westhaven.
Directions off I-4 heading West for Tampa.
• Leave the I-4 at Junction 58.
• Take a right through the Champions Gate arches; note the shops on the right.
• Staying on Champions Gate Blvd, follow the road to the end, at the T junction take a right, and continue for approximately one mile along Ronald Reagan Parkway.
• Turn left into West Haven along Mayfair Boulevard and continue for 200 yards.
• Turn left into the Sanctuary – The Gate will be open as the Association left them open due to possible power outages.
• Turn left on Balmoral Drive and go straight to the end.
• Turn right onto Kildrummy Drive, the villa is the 4th house on the right – Number 745.

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Re: Hurricane Irma

Post by FCBurnley » Mon Sep 11, 2017 3:19 pm

Tons of trees down, some flooding and structural damage in Central Florida. Clearly the coastal areas have fared far worse. Winds still around 40=60 mph but should weaken during the day. Hope you have a lovely day Saxoman in your Blackburn slum.

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Re: Hurricane Irma

Post by BurningBeard » Mon Sep 11, 2017 3:19 pm

Ok Capt, I'll get there when I am able and update on this thread. Curfew in operation until at least 6PM.

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Re: Hurricane Irma

Post by Saxoman » Mon Sep 11, 2017 3:30 pm

My main sympaphy goes to the Caribbean islanders who really suffered to a shocking degree. The webcam footage of what happened there shook me. What I've seen in Florida is nothing in comparison.

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Re: Hurricane Irma

Post by CaymanClaret » Mon Sep 11, 2017 4:05 pm

As the BVI generated $3.7 billion of tax revenue for the UK in their last full year, I should think they're right to call upon the UK for help. They are part of the commonwealth after all.

For once, I agree with Saxo; in that there are some of our Caribbean neighbours who have been decimated and in addition to the direct impacts of the hurricane are now facing shortages in supplies, mob rule, looting and pillaging. I know it's not been easy on Florida either though.

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Re: Hurricane Irma

Post by Saxoman » Mon Sep 11, 2017 4:09 pm

The guy above who's in Florida acknowledges its barely blew a leaf off a tree where he is..

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Re: Hurricane Irma

Post by If it be your will » Mon Sep 11, 2017 4:29 pm

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Re: Hurricane Irma

Post by If it be your will » Mon Sep 11, 2017 4:33 pm

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Re: Hurricane Irma

Post by BurningBeard » Mon Sep 11, 2017 4:36 pm

Saxoman wrote:The guy above who's in Florida acknowledges its barely blew a leaf off a tree where he is..
Have a day off Saxo. Maybe learn some empathy skills whilst you're at it.

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Re: Hurricane Irma

Post by Saxoman » Mon Sep 11, 2017 4:45 pm

Why would anyone choose to holiday in a place where its been know for weeks a hurricane is coming? That puzzles me.

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Re: Hurricane Irma

Post by CaymanClaret » Mon Sep 11, 2017 4:56 pm

If it be your will wrote:When they agree to subject their citizens to the same taxes we are subjected to here, then fair enough, yes. It is part of the commonwealth after all.
Good thinking, jeopardize $3.9 bil, by taxing 30,000 people - many of whom are tax resident in other countries (such as the US). Many countries collect taxation and fees from their workforce and population in different ways - demanding that they are taxed in the same way as you are before they can receive aid is a nonsense.

Thankfully, the UK government do not agree with you and sent 500 troops and a bunch of aid to assist BVI - of which there is barely anything left.
Thankfully, the Cuban government do not agree with you and have sent 750 health works to Antigua, Barbuda, Saint Kitts, Nevis, Saint Lucia, the Bahamas, Dominica and Haiti. Despite them having no fiscal advantages in doing so.
Thankfully, most people are not willing to hold back aid until the country in question doesn't cough up some money in the form of the same tax system which the UK enforce.

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Re: Hurricane Irma

Post by FCBurnley » Mon Sep 11, 2017 5:08 pm

Saxoman wrote:The guy above who's in Florida acknowledges its barely blew a leaf off a tree where he is..
You really have excelled yourself this time.

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Re: Hurricane Irma

Post by Saxoman » Mon Sep 11, 2017 5:11 pm

FCBurnley wrote:You really have excelled yourself this time.
Context. Caribbean islands = tragedy, a humanitarian crisis.

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Re: Hurricane Irma

Post by If it be your will » Mon Sep 11, 2017 5:11 pm

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Re: Hurricane Irma

Post by If it be your will » Mon Sep 11, 2017 5:47 pm

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Re: Hurricane Irma

Post by dsr » Mon Sep 11, 2017 5:48 pm

Liechtenstein recently introduced a minimum Corporation Tax of €1,200 per Liechtenstein-registered company. If the BVI did the same, they'd be well on the way to covering some rebuilding costs.

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Re: Hurricane Irma

Post by If it be your will » Mon Sep 11, 2017 6:00 pm

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Re: Hurricane Irma

Post by ontario claret » Mon Sep 11, 2017 8:16 pm

Haven't heard from FCBurnley yet. Is that good or bad, although it was only a Cat 2 when it got to him, and there's never any storm surge in Orlando.

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Re: Hurricane Irma

Post by Imploding Turtle » Mon Sep 11, 2017 8:17 pm

ontario claret wrote:Haven't heard from FCBurnley yet. Is that good or bad, although it was only a Cat 2 when it got to him, and there's never any storm surge in Orlando.
He posted 3 hours ago. I'll let you decide for yourself whether that's good or bad.

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Re: Hurricane Irma

Post by Pstotto » Mon Sep 11, 2017 10:44 pm

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9IKC2qmSyqg" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; A timely tune...

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Re: Hurricane Irma

Post by Imploding Turtle » Tue Sep 12, 2017 1:08 am

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news ... a-11143338" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Late Stage Capitalism.

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Re: Hurricane Irma

Post by If it be your will » Tue Sep 12, 2017 1:22 am

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Re: Hurricane Irma

Post by BurningBeard » Tue Sep 12, 2017 1:44 am

Ventured out for the first time since the curfew was lifted. Saxo will be glad to know there was plenty of evidence of destruction in the locale, collapsed buildings, trees ripped out and the like.

Power is back on for us, hope the remaining 6.5M homes are back on as quickly.

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Re: Hurricane Irma

Post by Saxoman » Tue Sep 12, 2017 1:50 am

BurningBeard wrote:. Saxo will be glad to know there was plenty of evidence of destruction in the locale, collapsed buildings, trees ripped out and the like.

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:lol: I've not seen it that's all. If you say its so, that's not good obviously.

Edit- the laughter is at your perception of me BTW.. I'm not the one who chose to go on holiday in Florida when it was well known a major hurricane was coming, and then chose to go sightseeing in the immediate aftermath, reporting back every detail on a football messageboard.

I mean, who's the ghoul here..? Hope you've had a nice holiday...! :?
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Re: Hurricane Irma

Post by If it be your will » Tue Sep 12, 2017 1:55 am

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Re: Hurricane Irma

Post by Imploding Turtle » Tue Sep 12, 2017 2:07 am

If it be your will wrote:Hah. Found it at last. And it's an absolute joke.

In a paper commissioned by BVI Finance, in a farcical attempt to justify its tax status, released the following report:
http://releasd.com/51cd/creating-value- ... ntribution" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

And on page 126 it states:

The scale of the BVI’s global contribution to investment and jobs sheds a new light on the debate around its impact on the tax receipts of other nations. The economic activity and incomes generated by 2.2 million jobs worldwide will likely contribute over US$15 billion annually to government coffers worldwide. Even taking into account the maximum tax leakage theoretically achievable through the use of its corporate vehicles, the BVI is a substantial net benefit to governments worldwide. (followed by a table on page 130)

So basically, companies based in the BVI, by employing people in the UK, result in the UK gaining 3.9 billion in income tax (itself a figure essentially plucked out of the air). Even though these UK workers would have to pay that tax whoever they worked for. And let's forget all the other taxes these companies have avoided and be grateful, right? Because then we might 'jeopardize this 3.9 billion' when the BVI pull their companies out of the UK?

You're on a different planet, CaymanClaret. I'll never believe a word you say again.
Maybe we should all just stop paying income tax and argue that the government should be grateful that we are employed here and not elsewhere because it means we pay VAT on the items we buy here. the government takes in excess of £100 billion a year in VAT so i think we have a much stronger argument than BVI based companies. Lets see how long the BVI companies' argument is acceptible to the government when us plebs start to use it. We're due a good tax revolt.

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Re: Hurricane Irma

Post by BurningBeard » Tue Sep 12, 2017 4:02 am

Saxoman wrote::lol: I've not seen it that's all. If you say its so, that's not good obviously.

Edit- the laughter is at your perception of me BTW.. I'm not the one who chose to go on holiday in Florida when it was well known a major hurricane was coming, and then chose to go sightseeing in the immediate aftermath, reporting back every detail on a football messageboard.

I mean, who's the ghoul here..? Hope you've had a nice holiday...! :?
You are of course, your posts on this and the previous message board, and reputation confirm that.

So come on then genius, you tell me, when did I book this holiday and also tell me when the precise track of this storm was known?

And btw, we went out for a meal since the power was out in our villa. Your flippant perception was that barely a leaf had been blown down (based on me having a peek outside my window during a curfew) when the reality is that we and others around us were very lucky that it wasn't more serious for us.

Yes, the end result worked out ok for us (not so for others) but it didn't make it any less unnerving as we were sat with a hurricane passing over us. I sincerely hope you never have to experience it

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Re: Hurricane Irma

Post by CaymanClaret » Tue Sep 12, 2017 6:22 am

If it be your will wrote:Hah. Found it at last. And it's an absolute joke.

In a paper commissioned by BVI Finance, in a farcical attempt to justify its tax status, released the following report:
http://releasd.com/51cd/creating-value- ... ntribution" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

And on page 126 it states:

The scale of the BVI’s global contribution to investment and jobs sheds a new light on the debate around its impact on the tax receipts of other nations. The economic activity and incomes generated by 2.2 million jobs worldwide will likely contribute over US$15 billion annually to government coffers worldwide. Even taking into account the maximum tax leakage theoretically achievable through the use of its corporate vehicles, the BVI is a substantial net benefit to governments worldwide. (followed by a table on page 130)

So basically, companies based in the BVI, by employing people in the UK, result in the UK gaining 3.9 billion in income tax (itself a figure essentially plucked out of the air). Even though these UK workers would have to pay that tax whoever they worked for. And let's forget all the other taxes these companies have avoided and be grateful, right? Because then we might 'jeopardize this 3.9 billion' when the BVI pull their companies out of the UK?

You're on a different planet, CaymanClaret. I'll never believe a word you say again.
I'm not on a different planet, I'm afraid that the one you're on is a lot more capitalist than gives you comfort. The BVI don't have companies in the UK (for the most part), the UK have companies in the BVI and so the burden of responsibility isn't really on the people in the BVI.

We could continue to talk about the validity of the information, our views on offshoring, or how BVI might fund it's own recovery. It's a great suggestion that BVI slap a$100 charge onto each registration - but the fact of the matter is, that will affect many more people in the UK than in BVI. After all, the beneficiaries of the companies registered in offshore countries, are often not in the actual country in question. Manchester United for instance are owned by a Cayman based company - there are no Man Utd employees here and no Caymanian is getting rich off that, the holding company pays a management fee which comparative to their revenue is a laughable amount. If you'd like to campaign against this behaviour then go for it - I'd suggest that, there are lobbyists, party donators, prominent political figures and even politicians themselves who either knowingly or not have some financial tie to an offshore center and so I'm not sure how far you'll get. You could boycott the companies who utilise the status of offshore jurisdictions, but again good luck - if you're posting on a laptop or desktop, I'm sure it has an Intel processor - you'll have to stop using Facebook and Google - get rid of your iPhone, stop shopping at Asda, Tesco and Sainsbury's, oh and stop using the National Grid. All of these companies have been mentioned in the press among a crazy amount more.

However, the point is, regardless of whether BVI people pay income tax or not, they are still a British Overseas Territory and so it's reasonable to expect that they'd ask for aid in the time of what is a absolute disaster. To take your argument to the absurd, are you suggesting that whenever a disaster occurs in the UK, the emergency services should check to see who has paid their income tax before you'd agree that they assisted?

This is a humanitarian issue, not about whether you agree with how the BVI operates, there are people who have lost everything, including their lives to a natural disaster. Not that it should make any difference, but specifically in the case of BVI, Barbuda and Anguilla - these are British people.

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Re: Hurricane Irma

Post by CharlieinNewMexico » Tue Sep 12, 2017 6:48 am

There's a lot of damage in the Keys and Marco Island. I played soccer up and down the Gulf Coast for 15 years (when I was CharlieinFlorida). Cities like Cape Coral, Ft Myers and Port Charlotte are built on a canal system, so while the wind may not have caused structural damage because of building code, the 4 feet of storm surge water in your house when you go back to it will.

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Re: Hurricane Irma

Post by If it be your will » Tue Sep 12, 2017 11:33 am

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Re: Hurricane Irma

Post by ontario claret » Wed Sep 13, 2017 8:37 pm

Here in Canada, there's been criticism from some quarters, greatly magnified by pro-Conservative media, of the failure of the Canadian government to evacuate Canadian citizens after the storm on the Leeward Islands. Of course, these people had been warned for a week, at least, ahead of time, that a major storm was coming, and the American evacuation was done by private companies, not Donald S. Trump. But that never gets mentioned.

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Re: Hurricane Irma

Post by BurningBeard » Thu Sep 14, 2017 7:25 pm

FAO Capt. Apologies for not posting sooner. We drove to your place and had a good look round and I'm pleased to say everything is in one piece including pool cover / netting and no signs of damage either cosmetic or structural.

Lovely place you have.

All the buildings in the area send to be in good order but some signs is the storm the in terms of vegetation etc.

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Re: Hurricane Irma

Post by FactualFrank » Thu Sep 14, 2017 7:38 pm

CharlieinNewMexico wrote:There's a lot of damage in the Keys and Marco Island. I played soccer up and down the Gulf Coast for 15 years (when I was CharlieinFlorida). Cities like Cape Coral, Ft Myers and Port Charlotte are built on a canal system, so while the wind may not have caused structural damage because of building code, the 4 feet of storm surge water in your house when you go back to it will.
I've been to Marco Island, when my sister lived there (worked for the Marriott hotel chain). She mentioned the other day that where she lived had been hit hard. It's a nice place, from what I saw of it. Unfortunately, that wasn't much as I was in a Naples hospital for the majority of the two weeks I was there.

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Re: Hurricane Irma

Post by CharlieinNewMexico » Fri Sep 15, 2017 4:51 am

We always had a good game against the Marco boys. But the pitch was basically at sea level behind the library and elementary school so I'm sure all of it suffered.

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