Andre Gray

IndigoLake · Post by **IndigoLake** » Sun Sep 17, 2017 9:58 am

Fantastic piece of business. I'll always be thankful to him for his efforts in getting us back to the Premier League and in keeping us in it. However, we do play better without him and Wood is proving to be a good signing. Worked out well for us really.

Sidney1st · Post by **Sidney1st** » Sun Sep 17, 2017 10:01 am

Reminds me a bit of when we sold Austin.

We were a better team when Austin didn't play and we've been better off since he left.
Same probably applies to Gray, but his goals were needed at the time.

BennyD · Post by **BennyD** » Sun Sep 17, 2017 10:07 am

RingoMcCartney wrote:You know what Vegas, i think you're spot on. We are less one dimensional without Andre. Mind you, our midfield has definately had a serious upgrade since Andre moved on. Jack Cork has been sublime. 10 mill!? We had their eyes out!

.....however, the fact they couldn't see his ability and potential indicates they were pretty much blind before we did.

RalphCoatesComb · Post by **RalphCoatesComb** » Sun Sep 17, 2017 10:23 am

Burnleyareback2 wrote:anyone care to say they were wrong? Anyone?

I was wrong, but I can't remember the question

Rileybobs · Post by **Rileybobs** » Sun Sep 17, 2017 10:38 am

Fantastic in the Championship, generally poor in the Premier League. Unlike the rest of our squad who seem like a very decent bunch of lads, he also seemed like a bad egg.

Hipper · Post by **Hipper** » Sun Sep 17, 2017 12:13 pm

bumba wrote:Surely potential has to stop at some point the guys 26, its his prime years.

The guys not premier league quality never has been never will be glad the claret tinted specs are coming off for most people on here now an everybody's realising what good business we've done

That's hardly fair, bearing in mind his late start at high level football.

Anyway, he's just played against Manchester City. That's no game to make judgements about him.

bfc1984 · Post by **bfc1984** » Sun Sep 17, 2017 12:29 pm

Certainly had decent results with him in the team till yesterday,including a couple of good away wins.The lad is a goalscorer and could quickly bang 5 or 6 goals in that amount of games.We are obviously on a crest of a wave after particular the away results.Hopefully we will not have missed him by season end,but it is still early days for us and him.Just don't get all the criticism towards him and the told you so.5 games in that's all

FactualFrank · Post by **FactualFrank** » Sun Sep 17, 2017 12:31 pm

Hipper wrote:Anyway, he's just played against Manchester City. That's no game to make judgements about him.

I don't think judgement is just about his game against City. He's now played 5 games for Watford. I still think he's a good striker given the right service, but I rate Chris Wood more.

Buxtonclaret · Post by **Buxtonclaret** » Sun Sep 17, 2017 12:33 pm

Good signing for us, at the time.
Had a huge part to play in our Championship Title.
Didn't do too bad last year, given what went on.
He'll score goals. But best for both us and him he moved on.

Duffer_ · Post by **Duffer_** » Sun Sep 17, 2017 12:34 pm

I'm another who appreciated Andre's contribution for us. Yes he was a bit surly at times but I didn't have him down as a bad egg. He seemed genuinely contrite about his homophobic tweets and is still developing as a man and a footballer. I'm not comfortable with revisionist history.

UTC!

timshorts · Post by **timshorts** » Sun Sep 17, 2017 12:42 pm

Bear in mind that three of his nine premier league goals came against a championship quality mackem team after their only decent centre back had been carted off .
I hope he has a half decent career from here and thank him for what he did BUT
a) I was a lot more ****** off when Andy gray left for Charlton and
b) I dont fancy his bird much. Or his back mural.

iluva64 · Post by **iluva64** » Sun Sep 17, 2017 12:48 pm

I just don't get these sorts of threads on this board.

He's gone for what ever reason (probably wages - so who can blame him). I would rather see posts about where we are now and the future

Vegas Claret · Post by **Vegas Claret** » Sun Sep 17, 2017 2:00 pm

Burt wrote:Not saying it was bad business but League One? ffs check out his record when we won the Championship

Any side in the Championship would take him in a heartbeat

Like I said, he knows where the goal is. The rest of his skill set is awful

Sidney1st · Post by **Sidney1st** » Sun Sep 17, 2017 2:10 pm

Championship quality Mackem team??

They'd been in this league for about 10yrs hadn't they?

NottsClaret · Post by **NottsClaret** » Sun Sep 17, 2017 2:19 pm

Sidney1st wrote:Championship quality Mackem team??

They'd been in this league for about 10yrs hadn't they?

Aye, but has wasn't playing against any of their teams from the last 10 years, just that useless one that rocked up on the day.

But I agree with above, there's no need to pretend he was rubbish now, he was great for us and never seemed to have an attitude on the pitch so I don't know where that idea has come from. As for stuff about his money, girlfriend and lifestyle - just try being a bit less jealous.

Giftonsnoidea · Post by **Giftonsnoidea** » Sun Sep 17, 2017 2:22 pm

The club have played a blinder with this transfer, it is the best bit of business since the Wayne Thomas to Southampton transfer.

We have effectively got a better footballer in Wood and £3m profit, very good swop.

Doesn't surprise me he hasn't scored as he's not a footballer in the true sense, more a finisher from through balls, first touch incredibly poor for a forward.

If he works massively hard on his touch he could still come good tho, head was turned by big bucks and London lifestyle, the signs for him don't look good tho.

Rileybobs · Post by **Rileybobs** » Sun Sep 17, 2017 2:53 pm

NottsClaret wrote:Aye, but has wasn't playing against any of their teams from the last 10 years, just that useless one that rocked up on the day.

But I agree with above, there's no need to pretend he was rubbish now, he was great for us and never seemed to have an attitude on the pitch so I don't know where that idea has come from. As for stuff about his money, girlfriend and lifestyle - just try being a bit less jealous.

I'm not sure about him not having an attitude on the pitch. Every time he scored he gestured to our fans by cupping his ears. It's nothing to get upset about but it's hardly surprising that he didn't endear himself to the fans in the same way that almost all of our other players do.

califclaret · Post by **califclaret** » Sun Sep 17, 2017 9:40 pm

I suspect that a lot of his energy is being used
in other areas, one good game three bad games, he is where he should be, close to London.

Vegas Claret · Post by **Vegas Claret** » Sun Sep 17, 2017 9:50 pm

iluva64 wrote:I just don't get these sorts of threads on this board.

He's gone for what ever reason (probably wages - so who can blame him). I would rather see posts about where we are now and the future

well click on those then instead of one that says "Andre Gray"

tim_noone · Post by **tim_noone** » Sun Sep 17, 2017 9:55 pm

Vegas Claret wrote:well click on those then instead of one that says "Andre Gray"

Smallpaul · Post by **Smallpaul** » Sun Sep 17, 2017 10:12 pm

Don't forget, Dyche really didn't want to sell Gray

tiger76 · Post by **tiger76** » Sun Sep 17, 2017 10:15 pm

Andre was great in the Championship,scored some important goals last season in the six-pointer games,but he didn't want to commit to a new deal, better in the long run for us to cash in.18 million for a player in the final year of his contract is as good as we could expect.

Belgianclaret · Post by **Belgianclaret** » Sun Sep 17, 2017 10:21 pm

Not my favorite player, but certainly did his bit for us during the last 2 seasons.
Good deal for both himself and the club.
Let's just hope he doesn't find his scoring boots against us.

3putt · Post by **3putt** » Sun Sep 17, 2017 11:05 pm

How sad that some fans are obsessed in rubbishing an ex-player. He's played 5 games so far for his new club and he may or may not yet become successful. Clearly some are desperate to see him fail.

He served us extremely well in the Championship and played a major part in our return to the Prem. We didn't play to his strengths last season and so didn't get the best out of him. I for one am glad we signed him and wish him well in his future career.

FactualFrank · Post by **FactualFrank** » Sun Sep 17, 2017 11:49 pm

TheFamilyCat wrote:Eh?

TFC... apologies, got my wires crossed, thinking you meant something else.

Vegas Claret · Post by **Vegas Claret** » Mon Sep 18, 2017 1:48 am

3putt wrote:How sad that some fans are obsessed in rubbishing an ex-player. He's played 5 games so far for his new club and he may or may not yet become successful. Clearly some are desperate to see him fail.

He served us extremely well in the Championship and played a major part in our return to the Prem. We didn't play to his strengths last season and so didn't get the best out of him. I for one am glad we signed him and wish him well in his future career.

Nonsense, most of us said he couldn't trap a bag of cement after his first few games. We all acknowledge he did well for us and helped us get promoted etc, but don't kid yourself, he's an absolute bang average footballer at best - that's not rubbishing an ex player it's just reiterating what plenty of us have said since he signed for us.

mohamed69 · Post by **mohamed69** » Mon Sep 18, 2017 3:05 am

Just call me the prophet Mohamed

Vegas Claret · Post by **Vegas Claret** » Mon Sep 18, 2017 3:09 am

Pro Mo

3putt · Post by **3putt** » Mon Sep 18, 2017 9:26 am

Vegas Claret wrote:Nonsense, most of us said he couldn't trap a bag of cement after his first few games. We all acknowledge he did well for us and helped us get promoted etc, but don't kid yourself, he's an absolute bang average footballer at best - that's not rubbishing an ex player it's just reiterating what plenty of us have said since he signed for us.

Nonsense in your opinion. But not SD's.

Have been a football fan for a long time and am fully aware (especially on message boards) that some fans are passionately negative about players as others are passionately positive.

As I said, sad that some can't even let it go even when a payer has left - desperate to reiterate how poor a player was.

Each to their own I suppose.

IanMcL · Post by **IanMcL** » Mon Sep 18, 2017 10:27 am

Smallpaul wrote:Don't forget, Dyche really didn't want to sell Gray

Mr Dyche to you.

RocketLawnChair · Post by **RocketLawnChair** » Mon Sep 18, 2017 10:44 am

Smallpaul wrote:Don't forget, Dyche really didn't want to sell Gray

I disagree, I thought SD was very matter of fact about all the Gray contract/transfer business. I for one got the impression SD didn't think Gray was worth what he wanted.

RalphCoatesComb · Post by **RalphCoatesComb** » Mon Sep 18, 2017 10:48 am

mohamed69 wrote:Just call me the prophet Mohamed

For your sake, I hope that doesn't count as "blasphemy"

Quicknick · Post by **Quicknick** » Mon Sep 18, 2017 10:51 am

Smallpaul wrote:Don't forget, Dyche really didn't want to sell Gray

How do you know?

Selby Claret · Post by **Selby Claret** » Mon Sep 18, 2017 10:52 am

agreenwood wrote:He scored 9 in the league and 1 in the cup. That's 10, which is double figures. Last season was his first in the Prem.

Apologies - your stat suggested to me that he'd scored 10 in the Prem.

I'm therefore assuming that if he'd scored 3 against Stanley and 3 against Lincoln in the cups and then 4 in the Prem last year you'd still have suggested he'd got double figures in his first season in Prem......?

Fair enough I suppose

mohamed69 · Post by **mohamed69** » Mon Sep 18, 2017 1:31 pm

Selby Claret wrote:Apologies - your stat suggested to me that he'd scored 10 in the Prem.

I'm therefore assuming that if he'd scored 3 against Stanley and 3 against Lincoln in the cups and then 4 in the Prem last year you'd still have suggested he'd got double figures in his first season in Prem......?

Fair enough I suppose

You are right. He got the stat wrong and now he is just trying to cover his back by lying and calling you a pedant if you challenge him.

Vegas Claret · Post by **Vegas Claret** » Mon Sep 18, 2017 3:43 pm

3putt wrote:Nonsense in your opinion. But not SD's.

Have been a football fan for a long time and am fully aware (especially on message boards) that some fans are passionately negative about players as others are passionately positive.

As I said, sad that some can't even let it go even when a payer has left - desperate to reiterate how poor a player was.

Each to their own I suppose.

Again, we disagree on this

You don't find many bashing Keane because he has left and that's because we know he's a really good footballer. Andre simply isn't.
You need to differentiate between someone unnecessarily bashing a player (which we agree does happen) and observational opinion based on facts.
Respectfully, a football fan of many years should be able to see that Andre really cannot trap a ball with enough accuracy at Premier League level

Stayingup · Post by **Stayingup** » Mon Sep 18, 2017 4:32 pm

RVclaret wrote:There's a rather funny thread on twitter by Watford fans discussing Gray's 'first touch'.

In the Watcord Observer tbeir fans are berating him, calling for Deeney to start and making comments like Burnley must be laughing all the way to the Bank. A few say he looks too bulky. Maybe the tattoos are weighing him down.

It shows, up to now anyway, with a few players that have moved 'up' the grass is not always greener

3putt · Post by **3putt** » Mon Sep 18, 2017 6:06 pm

Vegas Claret wrote:Again, we disagree on this You don't find many bashing Keane because he has left and that's because we know he's a really good footballer. Andre simply isn't.
You need to differentiate between someone unnecessarily bashing a player (which we agree does happen) and observational opinion based on facts.
Respectfully, a football fan of many years should be able to see that Andre really cannot trap a ball with enough accuracy at Premier League level

We obviously see things differently here, which is fair enough.

Clearly Gray's control was a weakness in his game, but I am definitely in the camp that believes the service he received last season was really poor. I also see his strengths in him being a powerful, fast player with a real eye for goal and a good finisher. You have to remember that he was a late starter in professional football and perhaps still needs time to develop at this level. He definitely has the potential to be a successful striker in the Prem which may or may not happen. But I wouldn't write him off after only 5 games at his new club.

Personally I don't see the need for a thread like this whether it is bashing him or making negative observations about a player that has only just left and by and large did well for us.

AlargeClaret · Post by **AlargeClaret** » Mon Sep 18, 2017 10:56 pm

Though he isn't blessed with a great 1st touch he did bloody well for us ,and the service he received was atrocious for much of last season often he got little more than scraps to feed on. That said he put too much muscle on and I'm amazed a coach hasn't reduced his bulk. Be interesting to see how he fares as season progresses though never felt he was quite "prem" level hel always score goals somewhere for sure .

Smallpaul · Post by **Smallpaul** » Wed Sep 20, 2017 9:11 pm

Quicknick wrote:How do you know?

Because he said so, on Clarets Player

claptrappers_union · Post by **claptrappers_union** » Wed Sep 20, 2017 10:22 pm

I have nothing against Gray, he was paid to do a job and he did it. He contributed with that goals won us the Championship and kept us in The Premier League.

It was disappointing to have him suspended for some tweets from a lifetime ago and I still don't think Burnley FC should've been punished for that.

Sticking with his people from his past, but were all guilty of that. I know some right knobs, but they're a mate.

Pop star girlfriend, fair enough. Moved to another club for more money, fair enough.

By only beef with Gray is how he cupped his ears towards Burnley supporters when he scored, and he did it a few times. He obviously struggles with criticism - fair or unfair and I think that sort of attitude alienates fans from the players more than anything.

Vokes doesn't do it, or Barnes, or Ings didn't, neither did Austin or Jay.

Hopefully we won't see that sort of attitude from wood or Wells

Funkydrummer · Post by **Funkydrummer** » Wed Sep 20, 2017 10:43 pm

There's no doubting the fact that he was a vital part in our success story so far, but
to label him a footballer is stretching it somewhat. He is 26 and will not, nay cannot,
develop any further. Mark my words.

NL Claret · Post by **NL Claret** » Wed Sep 20, 2017 10:48 pm

Wells? Wells ? FFS when's he going to score let alone cup his ears.

He's not even on the bench, I've made my mind up already league 1 at best!

Shappie · Post by **Shappie** » Thu Sep 21, 2017 7:22 am

claptrappers_union wrote:
Vokes doesn't do it, or Barnes, or Ings didn't, neither did Austin or Jay.

Hopefully we won't see that sort of attitude from wood or Wells

I seem to remember Danny ings did exactly the same thing. Does anyone else or is my memory playing up?

HiroshimaClaret · Post by **HiroshimaClaret** » Thu Sep 21, 2017 8:00 am

Shappie wrote:I seem to remember Danny ings did exactly the same thing. Does anyone else or is my memory playing up?

You`re right, Shappie. I THINK it was against Villa at home in the Premier League after he made it 1-0 and it was definitely directed towards the Burnley fans in the Longside.

Ric_C · Post by **Ric_C** » Thu Sep 21, 2017 8:27 am

Think it was against Everton at home when he equalised

claptrappers_union · Post by **claptrappers_union** » Thu Sep 21, 2017 8:32 am

HiroshimaClaret wrote:You`re right, Shappie. I THINK it was against Villa at home in the Premier League after he made it 1-0 and it was definitely directed towards the Burnley fans in the Longside.

I can't remember, but my point is Gray seemed to do it a lot. Its like he had a point to prove. I might be misinterpreting it, it might just be a celebration with no meaning at all.

HiroshimaClaret · Post by **HiroshimaClaret** » Thu Sep 21, 2017 8:35 am

Ric_C wrote:Think it was against Everton at home when he equalised

You are indeed, correct. Cupped both ears saying "what? what? what?"

4:20 · Post by **4:20** » Thu Sep 21, 2017 8:53 am

He's a pinball wizard, who wouldn't coexist, a pinball wizard, whose first touch don't exiiiist.

Diesel · Post by **Diesel** » Mon Oct 16, 2017 7:42 pm

Been busy shagging since Saturday so only just caught up with match of the day, just watched the Watford - Arsenal game, can't see Andre starting another game for Watford.