Andre Gray

Burnleyareback2 · Post by **Burnleyareback2** » Sat Sep 16, 2017 11:17 pm

Anyone still disputing this amazing bit of business?

simonclaret · Post by **simonclaret** » Sat Sep 16, 2017 11:19 pm

17 touches in 74 minutes today

Longsider · Post by **Longsider** » Sat Sep 16, 2017 11:21 pm

His name was not mentioned once in the commentary on motd.

RingoMcCartney · Post by **RingoMcCartney** » Sat Sep 16, 2017 11:22 pm

Burnleyareback2 wrote:Anyone still disputing this amazing bit of business?

Like us Getting summat from Anfield today.

Never in doubt....

ClaretMoffitt · Post by **ClaretMoffitt** » Sat Sep 16, 2017 11:22 pm

Never did.

wilks_bfc · Post by **wilks_bfc** » Sat Sep 16, 2017 11:24 pm

One thing is for certain - I don't think we'd have 5pts from 3 away games had he still been here

Vino blanco · Post by **Vino blanco** » Sat Sep 16, 2017 11:25 pm

Have you seen his back tattoo though?

FactualFrank · Post by **FactualFrank** » Sat Sep 16, 2017 11:26 pm

He's a player who has massive potential - but like most, prefers instant money over any common sense.

Chris Wood is better.

bartons baggage · Post by **bartons baggage** » Sat Sep 16, 2017 11:26 pm

I bet he's tweeting something naughty tonight to try and remain relevant.

TheFamilyCat · Post by **TheFamilyCat** » Sat Sep 16, 2017 11:27 pm

Got a pop star bird though

RVclaret · Post by **RVclaret** » Sat Sep 16, 2017 11:29 pm

There's a rather funny thread on twitter by Watford fans discussing Gray's 'first touch'.

simonclaret · Post by **simonclaret** » Sat Sep 16, 2017 11:30 pm

Some cockwomble on wfc forums wrote:I've tried to not jump on his back already as I know I'm one for having a boo boy, but Gray is proper **** isn't He? We've absolutely bought a lemon there for 18m. No attack is going anywhere with him on the end of it.

simonclaret · Post by **simonclaret** » Sat Sep 16, 2017 11:31 pm

Another one wrote:Already getting fed up of seeing him standing there with his hands on his head in faux disappointment as another peach of a through ball bounces off him like a bumper in a pinball game.

You'd think the ability to control a football would be an essential requirement for a professional footballer. He looked like a non-league striker today, that's for sure. I was surprised when he came out again after HT.

bartons baggage · Post by **bartons baggage** » Sat Sep 16, 2017 11:32 pm

TheFamilyCat wrote:Got a pop star bird though

Pop star

plastic produced princess.

FactualFrank · Post by **FactualFrank** » Sat Sep 16, 2017 11:33 pm

TheFamilyCat wrote:Got a pop star bird though

Which to me, comes across as you backing him - like you totally support what he's done.

TheFamilyCat · Post by **TheFamilyCat** » Sat Sep 16, 2017 11:36 pm

bartons baggage wrote:Pop star plastic produced princess.

I wrote "singer" first then changed it as I realised I was running wild and free with the description.

Burnleyareback2 · Post by **Burnleyareback2** » Sat Sep 16, 2017 11:37 pm

anyone care to say they were wrong? Anyone?

TheFamilyCat · Post by **TheFamilyCat** » Sat Sep 16, 2017 11:37 pm

FactualFrank wrote:Which to me, comes across as you backing him - like you totally support what he's done.

Eh?

RingoMcCartney · Post by **RingoMcCartney** » Sat Sep 16, 2017 11:39 pm

RVclaret wrote:There's a rather funny thread on twitter by Watford fans discussing Gray's 'first touch'.

Like us. They'll never see his second!

bartons baggage · Post by **bartons baggage** » Sat Sep 16, 2017 11:50 pm

When the lad played for us he had my full support.
Now i don't give a sh1t.

IanMcL · Post by **IanMcL** » Sun Sep 17, 2017 1:00 am

He did his bit for us. Everyone knows his first touch is...not just a touch!

CombatClaret · Post by **CombatClaret** » Sun Sep 17, 2017 1:28 am

I asked last week how long it would take the fans to turn. People thought I meant the team as a whole which given their position is unlikely for now, but it seems Gray is starting to draw some ire.

Maybe he's pulling defenders around and contributing to wins like he for us at times but fans want to see tangible results from strikers mostly in the form of goals.

SonofPog · Post by **SonofPog** » Sun Sep 17, 2017 1:43 am

I've never met the bloke, some on here will have, so I'm not an authority but I'll be up front, I never "took" to AG,And while he made a lot of good talk when that tweet came to light, but he seemed to be backsliding into hanging with the same crowd from his troubled days.

As for his football ability, a felt he forced us into playing a certain way, which certainly got the job done, left us a little one dimensional, I felt he lacked the ability to adapt.

That all said.... while they're some funny posts on that thread... it's worth point out that one of the most liked posts is this...

I think the level of criticism towards Gray is unfair. I get that his first touch is not that impressive but the guy has been a pivotal part of our success so far this season he works hard up front and runs in behind giving other players time on the ball.

So it seems like Watford fans are having the exact same debate we had when he was here!

Vegas Claret · Post by **Vegas Claret** » Sun Sep 17, 2017 1:52 am

Knows where the goal is, other than that he is a league one player. I was delighted we got rid of him and he has been well replaced. Just like last season, we are a far better team without him

happyclaret17 · Post by **happyclaret17** » Sun Sep 17, 2017 2:50 am

RVclaret wrote:There's a rather funny thread on twitter by Watford fans discussing Gray's 'first touch'.

what first touch?????

superdimitri · Post by **superdimitri** » Sun Sep 17, 2017 4:54 am

75k pw for a player who couldn't trap a bag of cement. His agent didn't have a bad first touch touting him for 100k salary though.

What other player has moved and more than trebled their Salary? I doubt even Kante did that moving to Chelsea.

I bet Keane is on less at Everton.

agreenwood · Post by **agreenwood** » Sun Sep 17, 2017 6:40 am

Just to add a bit of balance to the usual "he's left us so he must be ****" thread...

Gray's rise from the depths of non-league to the Premier League is actually pretty special. It's probably only been done by a handful of players in my lifetime.

It's also fair to say that he has a proven ability to adapt to every additional challenge he's faced. Whatever you thought of last season, getting into double-figures in his first season in the Prem wasn't bad at all, particularly given some of the issues he had. There are bigger names than him who didn't manage that.

The season is 5 games old and he's started what? 3 or 4 games? He may prove a failure at Watford, but given his history I wouldn't be writing him off just yet.

Cubanclaret · Post by **Cubanclaret** » Sun Sep 17, 2017 7:01 am

Given some people on here insist on criticising at least one incumbent player it's no surprise to slag off one that's left.
From the weekly highlights I have seen (not much on MotD admittedly), it looks like Gray has settled in pretty well at Watford. They've scored a few on the counteract and he's usually been in shot, stretching defences with his running and he made one at Bournemth with a clever assist.
It looks like Watford's system suits him better than maybe ours did.
We play them soon, so we'll get a closer look then, but I'm more than suited with Wood and Wells in exchange for him, I think both will contribute and make our squad stronger overall. A long way to go yet mind.

scouseclaret · Post by **scouseclaret** » Sun Sep 17, 2017 7:36 am

[quote="SonofPog]I think the level of criticism towards Gray is unfair. I get that his first touch is not that impressive but the guy has been a pivotal part of our success so far this season he works hard up front and runs in behind giving other players time[/quote]

I think it's fair to say he was pretty pivotal in the success we've had ove the past two seasons as well.

warksclaret · Post by **warksclaret** » Sun Sep 17, 2017 8:10 am

Good business for us, and we did well to move for Woods who undoubtedly is better value. But lets not forget but for Andre we might still be battling it out in the Championship

ablueclaret · Post by **ablueclaret** » Sun Sep 17, 2017 8:13 am

Gray is a decent striker who has scored goals at this level and will again, players take time to settle.

scrambledclaret · Post by **scrambledclaret** » Sun Sep 17, 2017 8:23 am

Don't quite understand the ill feeling, he was a good player for us, especially in the championship and we got a good fee for him and he presumably got a pay rise. A good deal all round right?

Selby Claret · Post by **Selby Claret** » Sun Sep 17, 2017 8:56 am

agreenwood wrote:Whatever you thought of last season, getting into double-figures in his first season in the Prem wasn't bad at all.

Except for the fact that he didnt.

Colburn_Claret · Post by **Colburn_Claret** » Sun Sep 17, 2017 8:59 am

It's a bit harsh to turn on AG now that he has gone.
Despite his issues, which we all know about, he still did an excellent job for us.
He still has the potential to be a great striker, sadly for him I think he had far more chance of fulfilling it at Burnley than he ever will at Watford.
18 million was brilliant business in the circumstances, and in Wood and Wells we have two players just as exciting and just as full of potential.

I'd much rather spend my energy encouraging our own, than taking the mick out of someone who's gone.

agreenwood · Post by **agreenwood** » Sun Sep 17, 2017 9:10 am

Selby Claret wrote:Except for the fact that he didnt.

He scored 9 in the league and 1 in the cup. That's 10, which is double figures. Last season was his first in the Prem.

Blackrod · Post by **Blackrod** » Sun Sep 17, 2017 9:18 am

On the highlights I have seen he hasn't looked too great. I think he will score goals but his all round game is not the best. He has strenghth and some pace but his balll control is very poor. He is one dimensional but the team need to play to his strengths. He looked very hungry to improve when he came to us. After hitching up with the pop star he looked to be more interested in the celeb lifestyle and cash.

Firthy · Post by **Firthy** » Sun Sep 17, 2017 9:19 am

scrambledclaret wrote:Don't quite understand the ill feeling, he was a good player for us, especially in the championship and we got a good fee for him and he presumably got a pay rise. A good deal all round right?

I don't think there's any ill feeling towards him. Was popular and well supported in his time here. Just got too big for his boots and thought he was better than he actually is.

Could well prove to be good business for us. He's not doing much at Watford so far but this can happen when you put money first.

bobinho · Post by **bobinho** » Sun Sep 17, 2017 9:23 am

To be fair, selby is right.

He scored 9 premier league goals. The one in the cup wasn't a premier league goal.

So 9 it is.

Lancasterclaret · Post by **Lancasterclaret** » Sun Sep 17, 2017 9:28 am

It wouldn't be Claretsmad/UTC if someone made a perfectly fair point, but because it is slightly not correct (even though the whole post and sentiment is 100% bang on) a load of people who disagree with it (for reasons I think they will keep to themselves) to highlight that part of it.

Nine premier league goals in your first season at this level is an excellent return. Plenty of really good players don't manage that.

Hope he does well at Watford (other than when he plays against us), and he was a cracking player for us.

agreenwood · Post by **agreenwood** » Sun Sep 17, 2017 9:36 am

bobinho wrote:To be fair, selby is right.

He scored 9 premier league goals. The one in the cup wasn't a premier league goal.

So 9 it is.

If we're going to go all pedantic, feel free to find the bit of my post where I said he scored 10 Premier League goals.

I said he got double figures in his first season in the Prem. He did and it was.

But, yeah, ignore the general point and have a proper anal debate about semantics.

gawthorpe_view · Post by **gawthorpe_view** » Sun Sep 17, 2017 9:38 am

Company employee does well for his employer, gets another offer, moves on, employer recruits a replacement, happens a lot.

Jamesy · Post by **Jamesy** » Sun Sep 17, 2017 9:39 am

Whoooooo ???

taio · Post by **taio** » Sun Sep 17, 2017 9:40 am

He did well for us with obvious areas where he needed to improve. I don't want him to do well against us or any other side that have no chance of getting into a relegation scrap, which could happen to Watford.

Lord Beamish · Post by **Lord Beamish** » Sun Sep 17, 2017 9:44 am

Andre Gray was instrumental in getting us promoted as Champions, and in helping keep us in the Top Flight for a second term.
His Homophobic Tweets left a bit to be desired, but football-wise, his efforts for us will always be appreciated by this Claret.

Burt · Post by **Burt** » Sun Sep 17, 2017 9:46 am

Vegas Claret wrote:Knows where the goal is, other than that he is a league one player. I was delighted we got rid of him and he has been well replaced. Just like last season, we are a far better team without him

Not saying it was bad business but League One? ffs check out his record when we won the Championship

Any side in the Championship would take him in a heartbeat

Sidney1st · Post by **Sidney1st** » Sun Sep 17, 2017 9:47 am

Lord Beamish wrote:Andre Gray was instrumental in getting us promoted as Champions, and in helping keep us in the Top Flight for a second term.
His Homophobic Tweets left a bit to be desired, but football-wise, his efforts for us will always be appreciated by this Claret.

This sums it up pretty well.

bumba · Post by **bumba** » Sun Sep 17, 2017 9:47 am

FactualFrank wrote:He's a player who has massive potential - but like most, prefers instant money over any common sense.

Chris Wood is better.

Surely potential has to stop at some point the guys 26, its his prime years.

The guys not premier league quality never has been never will be glad the claret tinted specs are coming off for most people on here now an everybody's realising what good business we've done

bfcjg · Post by **bfcjg** » Sun Sep 17, 2017 9:49 am

I bet his first touch with his celebrity pop singer girlfriend was hillarious " Andre will you stop putting your finger in my tummy button just go 6 inches lower "

Claretmatt4 · Post by **Claretmatt4** » Sun Sep 17, 2017 9:50 am

never heard of him

RingoMcCartney · Post by **RingoMcCartney** » Sun Sep 17, 2017 9:58 am

Vegas Claret wrote:Knows where the goal is, other than that he is a league one player. I was delighted we got rid of him and he has been well replaced. Just like last season, we are a far better team without him

You know what Vegas, i think you're spot on. We are less one dimensional without Andre. Mind you, our midfield has definately had a serious upgrade since Andre moved on. Jack Cork has been sublime. 10 mill!? We had their eyes out!