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Postby Chester Perry » Sat Jul 13, 2019 12:14 am

If you wondering why I haven't mentioned the monies UEFA are paying out for it's club competitions that have been splashed across the press in the last few days it is because UEFA are taking the **** - it is the same amount as last year and will be the same again next year (we are in year 2 of a 3 year tv deal cycle) - they just wanted to generate some coverage about themselves

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Postby Chester Perry » Sat Jul 13, 2019 12:41 am

An extensive piece on the bidding for the next cycle of Bundesliga TV rights - strangely formatted as you think it is coming to an end then it dep dives into each point made earlier. What is apparent is just how different that market is and the fact it will allow a single bidder for all live packages.

https://www.offthefieldbusiness.de/sing ... 025-Season

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Postby Chester Perry » Sat Jul 13, 2019 1:41 am

I first mentioned Italy's new "Beckham Law" in post #1519 (viewtopic.php?f=2&t=20891&start=1518) here Tifo Football explain just what that means

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GwBYurfTCBk

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Postby Chester Perry » Sat Jul 13, 2019 11:07 am

@KieranMaguire looks at what FFP has meant in the EFL championship - essentially proves, that much like the EFL it is not fit for purpose

https://twitter.com/KieranMaguire/statu ... 7370220545

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Postby Chester Perry » Sat Jul 13, 2019 11:09 am

a point that @AndyhHolt underlines this morning - both threads prompted by posts from Bury fans

https://twitter.com/AndyhHolt/status/11 ... 6909601792

https://twitter.com/AndyhHolt/status/11 ... 6322543616

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Postby Chester Perry » Sat Jul 13, 2019 11:15 am

and if you want further evidence of how broken things are getting - Macclesfield haven't paid players on time for months and have been taking out high interest loans to pay tax bills and the like, have taken another loan of that type out


https://twitter.com/KieranMaguire/statu ... 6832190464

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Postby Royboyclaret » Sat Jul 13, 2019 11:35 am

Chester Perry wrote:@KieranMaguire looks at what FFP has meant in the EFL championship - essentially proves, that much like the EFL it is not fit for purpose

https://twitter.com/KieranMaguire/statu ... 7370220545


All EFL clubs continue to chase the Premier League dream, and who can blame them when the rewards of reaching the promised land grow with each successive TV deal. So many clubs now using the tactic of selling their ground and renting it back in order to circumvent FFP rules as a short-term fix. I wonder which club was first to sell their ground to a company attached to the owners?........on second thoughts we'd better not go there.

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Postby Chester Perry » Sat Jul 13, 2019 11:50 am

Were we really the first Roy? I know we were probably the most careful in the way it was done and that it was only done in the best interests of the club and it's small creditors, but the first?

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Postby Chester Perry » Sat Jul 13, 2019 11:54 am

Football365.com runs down the 10 most profitable transfers in history (by monetary value not %) naturally they are all pretty recent

https://www.football365.com/news/top-te ... f-all-time

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Postby Royboyclaret » Sat Jul 13, 2019 11:56 am

Chester Perry wrote:Were we really the first Roy? I know we were probably the most careful in the way it was done and that it was only done in the best interests of the club and it's small creditors, but the first?


Nearly 13 years now since Barry and John Sullivan established Longside Properties to buy Turf Moor from the Club. If there was a similar scenario before 2006 I can't think of one, but happy to be proved wrong.

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Postby Chester Perry » Sat Jul 13, 2019 12:07 pm

Royboyclaret wrote:Nearly 13 years now since Barry and John Sullivan established Longside Properties to buy Turf Moor from the Club. If there was a similar scenario before 2006 I can't think of one, but happy to be proved wrong.


found this https://www.theguardian.com/football/20 ... ory.sport2 from 2004
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Postby Royboyclaret » Sat Jul 13, 2019 12:12 pm

Did Krasner's deal at Leeds actually go through?

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Postby Chester Perry » Sat Jul 13, 2019 12:25 pm

Royboyclaret wrote:Did Krasner's deal at Leeds actually go through?


This would suggest it did - https://www.independent.co.uk/sport/foo ... 13411.html

Interestingly Wikipedia suggest that Leeds sold Elland Rd to the council in 1982 buying it back in 1998 - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elland_Road

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Postby Royboyclaret » Sat Jul 13, 2019 12:48 pm

Chester Perry wrote:This would suggest it did - https://www.independent.co.uk/sport/foo ... 13411.html

Interestingly Wikipedia suggest that Leeds sold Elland Rd to the council in 1982 buying it back in 1998 - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elland_Road


Fair enough, perhaps it was that deal that sowed the seeds with Barry to do something similar at Burnley. We were essentially potless at the time and £3.3m seemed like a good deal. But as previously stated Barry became uncomfortable being both landlord and tenant and it was only when Longside Properties including Turf Moor was sold on to Lionbridge that the real problems began to emerge.

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Postby Chester Perry » Sat Jul 13, 2019 3:40 pm

For those who remember Liverpool's stance on the transfer of Danny Ings this will sound familiar - the signing of Harvey Elliot is likely to go to tribunal

https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/sport/foo ... r-18050522

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Postby Chester Perry » Sat Jul 13, 2019 5:17 pm

Simon Chadwick sees another example of the Chinese use of football and it's long game relationship building - this time as Fosun bail out Thomas Cook

https://twitter.com/Prof_Chadwick/statu ... 1709589505

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Postby Chester Perry » Sat Jul 13, 2019 11:38 pm

There has been much discussion, suspicion and even convictions around doping in Spanish sport in general with Football coming under increasing scrutiny as both the national and club teams dominated international competition. News of this recent survey by WADA does little to convince that the authorities have got on top of the issue

https://www.insidethegames.biz/articles ... y-in-spain

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Postby Chester Perry » Sun Jul 14, 2019 12:11 am

In post #1653 (viewtopic.php?f=2&t=20891&start=1652) TifoFootball explained the new high earner tax laws coming to Italy and how it could benefit Italian Football - This article in Forbes magazine highlights the UK approach for sports stars

https://www.forbes.com/sites/seanpackar ... f72511d3e0

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Postby Chester Perry » Sun Jul 14, 2019 12:13 pm

In post #1523 (viewtopic.php?f=2&t=20891&start=1525) @KieranMaguirre gave us a rundown of the gross Premier League transfer spend of all 49 clubs to have played in the league and in post #1528 (viewtopic.php?f=2&t=20891&start=1527) the net version, Here The Mail looks at the biggest European spenders in the last 5 years - the numbers are quite astonishing and reflect the huge surges in revenue the game as found

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/footb ... zmann.html

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Postby Chester Perry » Sun Jul 14, 2019 12:24 pm

First I have heard of this - FiveThirtyEight.com have a global power ranking of 636 International clubs that updates after each game played - I suspect this kind of thing may interest a few of you - we currently lie 85th - though not sure how Leeds are 91st when Brighton are 134th or why Rangers ar so far above Celtic (ah it's American)


https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/gl ... -rankings/

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Postby Chester Perry » Sun Jul 14, 2019 8:22 pm

@KieranMaguire has now had time to have a good look at Sheffield Wednesday's accounts - here he presents his deep dive on Price of Football

http://priceoffootball.com/sheffield-we ... goes-down/

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Postby Chester Perry » Mon Jul 15, 2019 11:44 am

The Guardian reveal that PSG President, and UEFA Executive Member Nasser al-Khelaifi (he also runs BeIn Sports) sought to make an illegal payment to an agent and lied directly to a judge, This goes back to 2011 and the signing of Javier Pastore. Nasser al-Khelaifi is already under investigation with French police for corruption in the bidding for the 2019 World Athletics Championships see posts #1179 and #1180 (viewtopic.php?f=2&t=20891&start=1178) the issues that created, examined in post #1190 (viewtopic.php?f=2&t=20891&start=1189), are likely to be exacerbated by these latest revelations.

https://www.theguardian.com/football/20 ... e-transfer

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Postby Chester Perry » Mon Jul 15, 2019 11:53 am

That previous report on Nasser al-Khelaifi was made possible because of the data from Football Leakes, but what of the primary protagonist of Football Leaks, the erstwhile "John" (now known to be Rui Pinto, arrested in Hungary and extradited to Portugal) - this latest report doesn't look to good for him (***warning*** it is a long and convoluted read)

http://josimarfootball.com/the-portugue ... rui-pinto/

the above link is the follow up to this piece from February - http://josimarfootball.com/dirty-john-t ... rui-pinto/

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Postby Chester Perry » Mon Jul 15, 2019 11:59 am

@SwissRamble has his turn looking at the Sheffield Wednesday Accounts

https://twitter.com/SwissRamble/status/ ... 9621355520

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Postby Chester Perry » Mon Jul 15, 2019 12:03 pm

That post by @SwissRamble inspired this thread from @AndyhHolt

https://twitter.com/AndyhHolt/status/11 ... 4458048513

he is not wrong- it has been a bug-bear of mine for some time as postings on this board and thread will testify. And to reinforce his point he added this

https://twitter.com/AndyhHolt/status/11 ... 3000873985

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Postby Chester Perry » Mon Jul 15, 2019 12:53 pm

And on the subject of @EFL and the Owners and Directors test - I somehow missed out on this little morsel about new Huddersfield Town owner Phil Hoddgkinson who less than 2 weeks after being fined for over 90 betting offences whilst being a football agent and owner of Southport was cleared by the EFL to take over at Huddersfield

https://www.fourfourtwo.com/news/incomi ... g-breaches

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Postby Chester Perry » Mon Jul 15, 2019 1:07 pm

Informative article about the hidden problem of Recreational Substance abuse in professional sport

https://sustainabilityreport.com/2019/0 ... n-problem/

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Postby Chester Perry » Mon Jul 15, 2019 2:26 pm

As Police Crime Commissioner's seek to change the law on funding for football and other sport's policing (they want to charge for the service and effectively become a privately funded service rather than a publicly funded one) the Football Supporters Association raise a number of concerns - this is likely to become quite politically charged I am afraid

https://twitter.com/FSA_FairCop/status/ ... 7522167808

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Postby Chester Perry » Mon Jul 15, 2019 2:31 pm

you couldn't make it up - following on from post #1676 (viewtopic.php?f=2&t=20891&start=1675) and the new Huddersfield Town owners recent FA fine for illegal betting on football matches - his club announce PaddyPower as their new shirt sponsor

http://fcbusiness.co.uk/news/huddersfie ... rtnership/

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Postby Chester Perry » Tue Jul 16, 2019 1:52 am

A large part of what is wrong with modern football in a single tweet by the owner of League 1 Peterborough

https://twitter.com/DMAC102/status/1150799027803439104

and then you get this from Liverpool - £15m for a kid you have never played (and can't get a work permit for) and got on the cheap and likely earned a lot from on his 5 loan spells

https://www.football365.com/news/liverp ... t-to-debut

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Postby Chester Perry » Tue Jul 16, 2019 2:32 am

The Head of sports rights is to leave BT - he led them into Premier League rights

https://media.sportbusiness.com/news/bt ... e-company/

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Postby Chester Perry » Tue Jul 16, 2019 1:36 pm

We now know how Barcelona managed to pay that up front money for Antoine Greizmann (days after paying their own staff 3 days late viewtopic.php?f=2&t=20891&start=1622) - they borrowed money, Now they have either to sell or swap players if they want to bring anyone else in.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/footb ... gning.html

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Postby Chester Perry » Wed Jul 17, 2019 4:58 pm

A detailed research paper on the rise of gambling sponsorship in British football - a subject of much recent discussion on the board

https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10 ... 18.1425682

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Postby Chester Perry » Wed Jul 17, 2019 5:22 pm

Sometimes you see something online and think - nah that cannot be real - but having found nothing to disprove it - I give you the fans of Juventus

https://twitter.com/ESPNFC/status/1151464353905987584

Chanting the name of the man that took almost half of the fee Utd paid for Pogba and who in 2 to 3 years will take De Ligt (the reason they are happy) to Spain or England to make himself more money

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Postby Chester Perry » Wed Jul 17, 2019 5:59 pm

It might just be an age thing, having had the time to reflect on what has happened and the effort involved in growing and developing. From time to time (usually in the transfer window, but not always) we have posters demanding that the board/club do more push harder, bet the ranch almost to make the next step. For others it is about sticking together, working together and sharing the pain - @AndyhHolt is certain what he values at the club he controls

https://twitter.com/AndyhHolt/status/11 ... 5977552896
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Postby Chester Perry » Thu Jul 18, 2019 12:50 am

The new season is rapidly approaching - one thing you will notice is the massive merry-go-round of written word journalists that has taken place this summer - Primarily triggered by www.TheAthletic.com who have made a very aggressive move into reporting on English Football and it's largest teams - much will be behind a paywall I expect.

https://twitter.com/MarkDiStef/status/1 ... 0801905664

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Postby Chester Perry » Thu Jul 18, 2019 12:44 pm

Announcement from the Premier League that last season it's cumulative audience increased to 1.35 billion and 11% rise

https://www.premierleague.com/news/1280062

sounds great doesn't it - until you realise that averages out at 3.5 million total global live audience per match - none of that 600 million or 1 billion watching the Manchester derby of Liverpool v Utd you routinely hear thrown about -

Now consider that against the TV deals and that suggests many are overpaying for their rights

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Postby Chester Perry » Thu Jul 18, 2019 12:54 pm

You will no doubt have heard of the transfer speed dating event at Chelsea this week - viewtopic.php?f=2&t=40541

@TariqPanja from the New York Times was at the event - here is his report

Seeking Soccer Talent, Club Executives Turn to Speed Dating - By Tariq Panja - July 18, 2019

LONDON — It had all the hallmarks of an afternoon of speed dating. Strangers hoping to find that right match.

On a gloriously warm Tuesday this week, a group of soccer executives, from clubs large and small from across Europe and even as far afield as Brazil and the United States, were getting to know each other at 15-minute intervals inside a banquet hall at Stamford Bridge, the West London home of Premier League giant Chelsea.

Outside, tourists visiting the stadium frolicked in the sunshine of the stands. Inside the cloistered, carpeted Centenary Lounge, executives were getting down to the serious business of negotiating player trades as the summer transfer window, an annual multibillion-dollar marketplace, reaches its climactic rush to fill rosters or find new or temporary homes for unwanted or untested talent before the window slams shut in a matter of weeks.

With tables numbered and organized in rows, executives wielding brochures and tablets showed off their inventory in short introductory meetings that ended with the sound of a bell and the appearance of two women armed with boxing-style cards announcing the start of the next round of talks.

The event, a novelty in the often opaque and secretive world of soccer player trading, is the brainchild of Jonas Ankersen, 33, of Denmark, who launched a player trading platform called Transfer Room two years ago. The idea was to wean clubs off the largely inefficient and long-held practice of sourcing and selling players via the closely guarded networks of agents or intermediaries, some who can take a multimillion-dollar cut in the biggest deals.

“I wanted to give the clubs a chance to take back control of the transfer market,” Ankersen said as snippets of negotiations started to fill the air following a break for lunch.

To be sure, this is not the place where Cristiano Ronaldo or Lionel Messi will move from one club to another, but rather where useful, reasonably priced players change teams. The most expensive player on Ankersen’s platform is valued at around £20 million, or roughly $25 million, he said.

“That’s just a little bit out of our price range,” said Mick Harford, the director of football at Luton Town, a team from just outside London that was promoted last season to the second tier Championship division. Harford spoke as he pored over a list of young players being made available for loan by Paul Konchesky, loan manager at the middling Premier League club West Ham.

Harford, a towering former striker, was in the market for players elite teams were looking to loan out — either young players needing the experience of first team soccer or older athletes who were unlikely to make the roster this season. The loan market is a backbone for clubs like his, Harford said.

Executives in the room included representatives of Manchester City, last season’s Premier League champion, and Italian champion Juventus, which each summer is among soccer’s biggest buyers of talent. Juventus is also known to send more players out on loan than almost any other rival in European soccer. They were joined by a dozen other Premier League clubs and a bevy of others from across soccer’s global pyramid, including Internacional, a stalwart of Brazil’s top league, known for creating the type of talent suited to European soccer.

While the executives ranged in seniority and function, they were all club employees. They shared a mutual frustration, bordering on antipathy, for another critical cog in the wheels of the soccer market: agents.

“If you can progress talks with the two clubs then you’re in a stronger position than an agent trying to broker deals, getting in this, getting that,” said Tony Coton, head of recruitment at Sunderland, a third-tier English team that was previously in the Premier League but was demoted twice.

“Here I will hear it from the horse’s mouth now,” he continued, “exactly how much the player’s earning at that club and I can say, ‘Yes we can go to that,’ or ‘No we can’t go to that,’ without the agent getting involved because invariably the agent will inflate what he’s on to try and increase his wages and for a loan I don’t think that’s right.”

Coton, a former goalkeeper for Manchester City, was in town like Harford to pick up a few loan players and to try to find buyers for two players from Sunderland’s Premier League days whose wages the club can no longer afford to finance.

Fueled by an explosion in television rights revenue, the player trading market globally has doubled to $7 billion annually since 2014, according to FIFA, a rise that requires a more organized and serious approach than the relationship-based business that has historically existed, according to Rasmus Ankersen, Jonas’s brother, and the director of football at Brentford, which plays in England’s second-tier Championship division.

That informal structure has led to waste of as much as 10 percent, Rasmus Ankersen said, which would represent as much as $700 million based on FIFA’s total figures. The savings, he said, could come with more transparency in the marketplace, with clubs more easily knowing which players are available and the needs of other teams.

“There will always be a need for someone to represent the player, an agent, and who can market the player, negotiate his contract. Where the waste in football is, is in what we call ‘club intermediaries’ — these guys that are in the middle, connecting clubs, holding the information, brokering the deals, that is in many cases an unnecessary cost,” Rasmus Ankersen said.

Club-to-club meetings on a global scale like the one held in London remain uncommon. The scarcity is related to the baked-in paranoia of the soccer world, where clubs eye rivals’ motivations with great suspicion.

“If you stick a for sale sign up, you can weaken your stance in the market,” said Dan Ashworth, director of football at Brighton, a small club that will compete in the Premier League for the third straight season.

Ashworth has recently returned to club soccer after six years with England’s national federation. His club hired a new coach, Graham Potter, at the start of the season, and that’s likely to mean more changes than usual as Brighton tries to build a squad matching Potter’s preferences. When such changes occur, players who would once have been seen as indispensable may no longer fit. Such conversations can be delicate, requiring careful handling before a player’s availability for transfer can be communicated to the market, said Ashworth.

“You are dealing with human beings, it’s not a product,” he said, sitting in the calm of a quiet corner of Stamford Bridge, during a rare lull in a full day. “So when you put a for-sale sign up for a person, that person might not know they’re for sale, might not know that you’re looking to move them on, might not agree to move away. Sometimes they do, sometimes they don’t.”

A short while later, the bell sounded and Ashworth jumped to his feet. He had another date.

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Re: Football's Magic Money Tree

Postby Chester Perry » Thu Jul 18, 2019 1:11 pm

yesterday saw the release of a report that highlighted the depth of gambling in shirt sponsorship in the coming season of the Premier League viewtopic.php?f=2&t=40568 - Post #1684 (viewtopic.php?f=2&t=20891&start=1683) had a report of the history of such sponsorship in the British game.

Here we look at previous years Shirt sponsorships starting with last season and incorporating links to data all the way back to 2010/11 season

http://www.sportingintelligence.com/201 ... 6m-290701/
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Postby Chester Perry » Thu Jul 18, 2019 1:30 pm

Brighton follow Liverpool's example (viewtopic.php?f=2&t=20891&start=551) of commissioning a report into their Economic value to the local area

https://www.brightonandhovealbion.com/n ... ocal-area/

full report - https://www.brightonandhovealbion.com/s ... imised.pdf

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Re: Football's Magic Money Tree

Postby Chester Perry » Thu Jul 18, 2019 2:12 pm

It has taken a while for a club of their size and newly bought stature - Man City TV is launched by the club

https://www.soccerex.com/insight/articl ... n-coverage

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Re: Football's Magic Money Tree

Postby Royboyclaret » Thu Jul 18, 2019 2:51 pm

Chester Perry wrote:yesterday saw the release of a report that highlighted the depth of gambling in shirt sponsorship in the coming season of the Premier League http://uptheclarets.com/messageboard/vi ... =2&t=40568 - Post #1684 (http://uptheclarets.com/messageboard/vi ... start=1683) had a report of the history of such sponsorship in the British game.

Here we look at previous years Shirt sponsorships starting with last season and incorporating links to data all the way back to 2010/11 season

http://www.sportingintelligence.com/201 ... 6m-290701/


Some very interesting numbers at the link there, Chester.

It would appear that in just three seasons we have trebled our level of sponsorship from £2.5m with Dafabet in 2017/18 to a potential £7.5m next season with Lovebet. Therein lies the dilemma for our BoD as the percentage of sponsorship to Total Turnover increases with each passing season, do they accept the criticism of being 'morally bankrupt' while at the same time taking what appears to be the sensible financial approach?

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Re: Football's Magic Money Tree

Postby Chester Perry » Thu Jul 18, 2019 3:12 pm

Royboyclaret wrote:Some very interesting numbers at the link there, Chester.

It would appear that in just three seasons we have trebled our level of sponsorship from £2.5m with Dafabet in 2017/18 to a potential £7.5m next season with Lovebet. Therein lies the dilemma for our BoD as the percentage of sponsorship to Total Turnover increases with each passing season, do they accept the criticism of being 'morally bankrupt' while at the same time taking what appears to be the sensible financial approach?


It really is a significant growth which no one other industry will match unfortunately (for us it equates to the wages of 2 of the first team) and it is part of a much needed growth in commercial revenue (without spending much to acquire it - unlike ground development say) as this is predictable budget revenue as opposed to the prize money. I can only hope that the club are working hard to bring in other commercial opportunities.

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Re: Football's Magic Money Tree

Postby Chester Perry » Thu Jul 18, 2019 3:57 pm

Salford City showing their intent for the coming season - with a £2.1m share issue

https://twitter.com/KieranMaguire/statu ... 9510715392

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Re: Football's Magic Money Tree

Postby Chester Perry » Thu Jul 18, 2019 6:03 pm

The Price of Football say selling yourself your stadium is not cricket

http://priceoffootball.com/selling-your ... t-cricket/

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Re: Football's Magic Money Tree

Postby Chester Perry » Thu Jul 18, 2019 6:27 pm

And here we see the problems that can emerge when a club sells/splits ownership of it's ground - The North Stand is not owned by the club and now it's use is the subject of commercial disagreement

https://www.oldhamathletic.co.uk/news/2 ... statement/

The owners response (they want to buy the rest of the ground

https://boundaryparkpurchase.home.blog/

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Re: Football's Magic Money Tree

Postby Chester Perry » Thu Jul 18, 2019 6:32 pm

Callum Hudson-Odoi has found his magic money tree at the tender age of 18

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/footb ... -week.html

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Re: Football's Magic Money Tree

Postby Chester Perry » Thu Jul 18, 2019 7:13 pm

More on the subject of Gambling and PL Shirt Sponsorship - @DavidConn of the Guardian looks a SportPesa the sponsors that Everton laud for their community engagement activities with the club

https://www.theguardian.com/football/20 ... ague-kenya


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