Football's Magic Money Tree

Chester Perry · Post by **Chester Perry** » Thu Mar 15, 2018 12:33 am

Chelsea appear to have removed the final obstacle (planning wise) from going ahead with the stadium redevelopment - so was it a bigger cash offer or is the recent spate of Russia related deaths a coincidence in this resolution

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/20 ... w-stadium/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Sidney1st · Post by **Sidney1st** » Thu Mar 15, 2018 8:05 am

A take our final offer or else scenario?

Chester Perry · Post by **Chester Perry** » Tue Apr 03, 2018 4:54 pm

The last of the financial reports for last season are coming in - ours have been discussed elsewhere - Spurs announced there's today %43 increase thanks to the new TV deal and Champions league - still got to find another £2-300m to pay off the new ground though

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/43628485" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Chester Perry · Post by **Chester Perry** » Tue Apr 03, 2018 4:57 pm

When looking at our financial results it is interesting to contrast with Watford, whose revenue was just £3m more than ours

http://www.watfordobserver.co.uk/sport/ ... -optimism/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Chester Perry · Post by **Chester Perry** » Tue Apr 03, 2018 5:02 pm

On the subject of Watford there are some interesting questions emerging about borrowings and tax avoidance at the owners other clubs

http://www.insideworldfootball.com/2018 ... -mounting/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

http://www.watfordobserver.co.uk/sport/ ... legations/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

https://www.football-italia.net/118815/pozzo-" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;‘no-truth-tax-claims’

claretandy · Post by **claretandy** » Tue Apr 03, 2018 5:06 pm

watfords wages were £76m last season, an increase of £18m on the previous season (£58M), this 58m figure is less than our £61M figure so it will be interesting to compare our wage bill this year with watfords £76m last year as that was their second season.

Chester Perry · Post by **Chester Perry** » Tue Apr 03, 2018 5:11 pm

claretandy wrote:watfords wages were £76m last season, an increase of £18m on the previous season (£58M), this 58m figure is less than our £61M figure so it will be interesting to compare our wage bill this year with watfords £76m last year as that was their second season.

It will indeed - Their debt is rising too and there is no way with those figures that they can run the club on a day to day basis without a significant overdraft account. Something the new Chief Exec at West Brom recently voiced his concern about there.

Chester Perry · Post by **Chester Perry** » Mon Apr 09, 2018 12:10 am

Middlesbrough financial results have been revealed today (strange day) - similar turnover to us and wages of £57m (no bonuses for staying up) but reasonable as an overall percentage after the huge gamble of the promotion season revealed a £32m loss

https://www.gazettelive.co.uk/news/tees ... s-14505044" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

aggi · Post by **aggi** » Mon Apr 09, 2018 11:15 am

Interesting to see that, despite all the suggestions from Burnley fans that Boro were splashing the cash, their wage bill was lower than ours.

Although I would suspect that we had some hefty staying up bonuses which would probably have dropped it below that level if we'd not stayed up.

claretandy · Post by **claretandy** » Mon Apr 09, 2018 12:08 pm

More than us according to swiss ramble

dsr · Post by **dsr** » Mon Apr 09, 2018 12:15 pm

claretandy wrote:More than us according to swiss ramble

It's a matter of how they were reported.

Burnley £55.5m wages + £5.5m NIC & pension = £61m
Middlesbrough £57m wages + £8m NIC & pension = £65m

Neither figure is wrong, but if we compare like with like, Middlesbrough paid more,.

aggi · Post by **aggi** » Mon Apr 09, 2018 12:22 pm

You're right, that £57m figure in the paper isn't including social security costs (the equivalent figure for BFC is £55.5m)

https://s3-eu-west-1.amazonaws.com/docu ... 5rOs1gU%3D" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

RalphCoatesComb · Post by **RalphCoatesComb** » Mon Apr 09, 2018 2:34 pm

Inchy wrote:Amazon and Facebook being interested in Premier League rights can only be a good thing IMO

Are you sure?

The way that fixtures are being arranged to suit the TV companies, we're likely to have 6am kick-offs to suit the Far East soon.

Once Amazon and Facebook shove their cheque books under the noses of Premier League Chairmen (and women), it's only going to get worse... IMO

Whatever happened to "The Beautiful Game"?

Chester Perry · Post by **Chester Perry** » Thu Apr 12, 2018 12:56 am

A new report suggests that PSG may have breached UEAF FFP for a second time by overstating sponsorship revenues

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/20 ... fp-breach/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

If so how hard will UEFA hit - a fair chunk of the previous £50m fine was suspended against future adherence - so if they are guilty the fine could be eye-watering and seriously hit that much needed squad re-build as they seek European glory- naturally PSG claim it's all lies

Chester Perry · Post by **Chester Perry** » Thu Apr 12, 2018 1:01 am

meanwhile Man City don't think they have spent anywhere near enough yet to get the team they want - and fully expect to shell out at least another £150m this summer, though it could well be more than double that if they get their number one targets for the positions they are looking at

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/20 ... n-targets/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

crazy crazy world this football lark

Sidney1st · Post by **Sidney1st** » Thu Apr 12, 2018 1:02 am

Interesting article.

I'll be impressed to see how PSG wiggle out of it.

IanMcL · Post by **IanMcL** » Thu Apr 12, 2018 9:30 am

RalphCoatesComb wrote:Are you sure?

The way that fixtures are being arranged to suit the TV companies, we're likely to have 6am kick-offs to suit the Far East soon.

Once Amazon and Facebook shove their cheque books under the noses of Premier League Chairmen (and women), it's only going to get worse... IMO

Whatever happened to "The Beautiful Game"?

Players and fans will be travelling to matches via drones!
Accy Clarets drone tours!

More likely will be home matches on different continents.

Chester Perry · Post by **Chester Perry** » Thu Apr 12, 2018 12:43 pm

A bit more detail here about which deal in particular that is causing PSG there current FFP problems - 120m euro a year from the Qatar Tourist Authority (I suspect that is the biggest annual sponsorship in world football - no wonder it stands out when the same state effectively owns the club)

https://www.theguardian.com/football/20 ... atari-deal" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Chester Perry · Post by **Chester Perry** » Fri Apr 20, 2018 6:33 pm

With all the financial reports in for last season - the overall analysis work is starting to come through - last season the Premier league clubs brought a combined revenue of £4.5 billion with all clubs making operating profits despite a combined £2.5 billion in wages and a net transfer spend of £400m

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-43820603" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Chester Perry · Post by **Chester Perry** » Fri Apr 20, 2018 6:35 pm

Here is a story that is going to run for a quite a while yet and could soon be featuring our fans being exploited - European clubs raising ticket prices to absurd levels because the opponents are considered rich - as you can imagine UEFA are not being swift to deal with an issue when it is predominantly English clubs that are being affected

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/20 ... upporters/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

ontario claret · Post by **ontario claret** » Fri Apr 20, 2018 7:42 pm

With the inroads that football has made in North America over the last few years, the added money is no real surprise. Saturday morning footie is a staple for many over here these days, and we're still the richest market in the world.

Chester Perry · Post by **Chester Perry** » Tue May 01, 2018 9:50 pm

An overview of the top spenders in European Football in the last 10 years - No surprise as to who leads the way but the contrast with Real Madrid and the CL success is bigger than I imagined - Also surprising how much the Italians have spent for their scant reward - Juventus lead the way there naturally

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/footba ... ecade.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Chester Perry · Post by **Chester Perry** » Thu May 10, 2018 12:40 pm

The annual football brand value (yes I understand that winds up us mere supporters) report is out - with United leading the way globally followed by Real, Barca, Bayern then City.

We are up to 27th on the list globally (squeezed between Palace and Bournemouth) following a 57% increase and a current brand value of £232m that puts us 11th in the UK and miles ahead of Celtic! wow - Just shows what stability and a strong identity can do for a club

http://brandirectory.com/Brand-Finance- ... t-2018.pdf" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Chester Perry · Post by **Chester Perry** » Fri May 11, 2018 8:09 pm

As Premier League execs prepare for a highly charged end of season meeting David Conn of the Guardian writes about:
- the greed of the top six
- the absolute moneypot that is the champions league (next season they move into a new 3 yr deal giving even more money - Leicester got £70m last season as English Champions - City will get substantially more next season)
- and also how Parachute payments distort the Championship

all the while acknowledging that the riches are seemingly going to continue to grow with Scudamore already promising that in the next cycle clubs will earn more than they do now as a result of the growth in international rights obliterating the £0.5 billion reduction in domestic rights

https://www.theguardian.com/football/20 ... get-richer" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Chester Perry · Post by **Chester Perry** » Sat May 12, 2018 11:41 am

Der Spiegel has produced a book highlighting some of the ridiculous contracts in the premier league - some of the bonuses are laughable particularly the so called "loyalty" bonus.

I also worked out from this that it is cheaper for Utd not to play Sanchez and put Rashford on in his place as Sanchez gets £75k appearance bonus for each game - bonkers

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/20 ... tars-earn/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Chester Perry · Post by **Chester Perry** » Sat May 12, 2018 1:35 pm

The BBC have done an analysis of ROI on the big six current managers - interesting - what do you think

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/43898708" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Chester Perry · Post by **Chester Perry** » Sat May 12, 2018 11:28 pm

Daily Mail get in on the act re the big six wanting more of the overseas rights monies - and look at the overall TV monies earned during the life of the Premier League - interestingly after 4 seasons we are only 2 places behind that lot down the road (18 seasons) and will overtake them next season. That lot who were 10 years ahead of us (13 seasons) are already behind in total earnings

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/footba ... -cash.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

mdd2 · Post by **mdd2** » Sun May 13, 2018 9:48 am

Is the difference between us and Watford given they have been in the league for 5 seasons whilst we have four due to the respective first seasons in the league with 2009-10 payments much higher than their first season when they finished bottom in 99-00. The 4 seasons they have been present since 2006-07 and the last three must have paid them more than us given the only season we have been paid more is this one, about £12 million more but we have an apparent £41million surplus against Watford.Do the figures include parachute monies as this would seem to be the only way we could get ahead of them?

Chester Perry · Post by **Chester Perry** » Sun May 13, 2018 10:26 am

A bit of a sensationalist article on the value of sleeve deals (i.e. sponsorship like our play golf crash) looks like Arsenal are about to get a £10m a year deal for one - in context that is substantially more than our shirt deal and approximately a quarter of Arsenal's shirt deal.

Don't get carried away with the article quoting £8m value for average prem teams - that is value to the sponsor not what they will pay - I think the quarter to a third of the shirt sponsor value is what is likely to be paid tops (there is also the risk of devaluing the title sponsor income) and not many average prem teams get £8m for the shirt deal

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/footba ... rship.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Chester Perry · Post by **Chester Perry** » Sun May 13, 2018 10:26 am

mdd2 I think you are right re parachute monies

Chester Perry · Post by **Chester Perry** » Thu May 17, 2018 9:26 pm

This thread opened with Utd's record breaking financial results and has since looked at how a tsunami of money has swamped the game we love. Last month we heard that FIFA had been approached with a £25 billion deal for 2 new tournaments. Today was the deadline for FIFA to give an affirmative to the deal but their is much that (mainly European) interested parties want to know before committing to the idea.

Needless to say it is Utd who see probably better than any other just what it can mean to them and for those involved

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/20 ... anchester/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

needless to say those who are not will be severely unable to bridge the financial gap

Nonayforever · Post by **Nonayforever** » Thu May 17, 2018 10:24 pm

Just looking at the figures for TV & prize money.

Burnley received £119 million !

With the lowest number of televised matches.

Chester Perry · Post by **Chester Perry** » Fri May 18, 2018 1:07 am

and to put that into context Utd expect between £90m and £100m for about 7 games in the Club world cup revised format

IanMcL · Post by **IanMcL** » Fri May 18, 2018 7:08 am

RalphCoatesComb wrote:
Once Amazon and Facebook shove their cheque books under the noses of Premier League Chairmen (and women), it's only going to get worse... IMO

Whatever happened to "The Beautiful Game"?

Drone travel compulsory, starting with the team kit!

Chester Perry · Post by **Chester Perry** » Tue May 22, 2018 2:17 pm

As the proposed revamp for the Club World Cup has been put on the back burner - Martin Samuel in the Mail goes on a right old rant about Infantino and FIFA and the attempt to restore the Old European club order - and he has a point

a bit long winded but still worth the read

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/footba ... -1965.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Chester Perry · Post by **Chester Perry** » Wed May 23, 2018 2:54 pm

Man Utd still the most valuable Football Club in the world (it says European but their is no contender elsewhere) - no surprise really (even with all the negative press around Jose's rebuild) - the Premier League's domination continues to grow though as FFP continues to 'restrict' the growth of others

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-44208285" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

https://home.kpmg.com/xx/en/home/insigh ... ation.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

full report

https://assets.kpmg.com/content/dam/kpm ... e-2017.pdf" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

N.B. The study was based on the 15-16 and 16-17 seasons and a pre-selected Elite - so while an interesting read it is effectively out of date as post 173 indicates - that has us higher than a number on this list

Chester Perry · Post by **Chester Perry** » Wed May 23, 2018 6:35 pm

So following the news last week that Newcastle made an operating loss of over £90m with wages at £112m in the Championship (do I remember correctly Rafa saying they could not compete with us on wages last summer) it transpires they also spent £1.3m at Sports Direct last season - the mind boggles and yes what about FFP

This BBC article speculates what they might have bought - anyone care to make their own guesses

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/44223584" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Chester Perry · Post by **Chester Perry** » Wed May 23, 2018 7:39 pm

Following on from the recent attempt at revising the club world cup - it has emerged (unsurprisingly) that the European Clubs Association are working on grander plans which involve

- more European games
- significantly smaller Domestic Leagues (or as I believe the big clubs take part in a split league not too dissimilar to what happens in Scotland)

As ever the reasoning is money focused and it is telling that it is clubs like Juventus who are pushing hardest to compete with the riches of the Premier league (they could see themselves outside the European top ten in the coming seasons as the PL gets richer and richer)

https://www.theguardian.com/football/20 ... ons-league" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

feel free to share your thoughts

Chester Perry · Post by **Chester Perry** » Thu May 24, 2018 8:02 pm

Lee Charnley MD of NUFC talks openly about the enormous gamble that the Geordies took in the 2016-17 season in the Championship

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/footba ... eague.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

It is amazing the range of figures different outlets are reporting the financial results

South West Claret. · Post by **South West Claret.** » Thu May 24, 2018 9:30 pm

aggi wrote:Yep, they're a PLC so earlier reporting.

They used to be listed on the LSE but delisted some years ago, are they listed in the states now then?

aggi · Post by **aggi** » Thu May 24, 2018 10:01 pm

South West Claret. wrote:They used to be listed on the LSE but delisted some years ago, are they listed in the states now then?

That was a bit of a dredge. Yes, they're on the New York Stock Exchange.

South West Claret. · Post by **South West Claret.** » Thu May 24, 2018 10:03 pm

Thanks aggi for the info.

Chester Perry · Post by **Chester Perry** » Sat May 26, 2018 12:17 am

So following Lee Charnley's admission about the gamble Newcastle took in the Championship - Saturdays play off will see Villa in a make or break situation - win and they should be ok - lose and the team will be broken up as the financial reality of 2 years in the Championship and FFP hits with a potential transfer embargo and the risk of years in the wilderness

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/20 ... er-league/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Chester Perry · Post by **Chester Perry** » Sat May 26, 2018 5:39 pm

Remember those 2 domestic tv packages that didn't sell with the rest a few months ago - well it looks like they are going to be let go very cheaply - essentially each package is for 2 rounds of games, but allowing the broadcaster to show all the games live simultaneously. It was designed to get people like amazon interested but has fallen flat on it's face.

When combined with the BT/Sky mutual agreement to broadcast each others packages it has brought in substantially less revenue than the previous deal. Scudamore has managed to save face though as the yet to be completed internal rights sales have already more than made up for the loss. Resulting in the way they are divided up being the next battleground - the next skirmish of which is in 2 weeks

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/footba ... cheap.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Chester Perry · Post by **Chester Perry** » Fri Jun 01, 2018 10:25 pm

FIFA doing something that appears reasonable on the face of it - whatever next. They want to limit agent's commission on transfer fees to 3% - naturally the agents aren't too happy about it. Is it me or is this the most sensible thing they have suggested in years

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/footba ... s-cap.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

GodIsADeeJay81 · Post by **GodIsADeeJay81** » Fri Jun 01, 2018 10:28 pm

Ok what's happened to FiFa??

Chester Perry · Post by **Chester Perry** » Sat Jun 02, 2018 1:17 pm

In post #193 I highlighted Villa's lurch into financial woe should they lose in the play-offs - which we now know they did. It is just coming to light how much they need to find to head off FFP sanctions - £40m yes that's right £40 million - That's the gamble the Geordies won but Villa didn't - ouch

of course given that we nabbed their colours just over a century ago we have made a contribution of around £1m as a consequence of Westwood's appearances last term - or is that Defour's injury

https://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/ ... p-14717203" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

GodIsADeeJay81 · Post by **GodIsADeeJay81** » Sat Jun 02, 2018 3:35 pm

£40 million?

They best hope they find someone stupid enough to pay ridiculous money for Grealish and that winger they got from West Ham.

Chester Perry · Post by **Chester Perry** » Sat Jun 02, 2018 4:35 pm

Snodgrass was on loan and John Terry has left - he was on £70k a week in the Championship!!

Swiss Ramble gives more insight

https://twitter.com/SwissRamble/status/ ... 8983534593" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

South West Claret. · Post by **South West Claret.** » Sat Jun 02, 2018 4:46 pm

Wouldn’t it be nice/interesting if the whole financial thing did an “ ITV Digital” with Burnley FC sitting relatively well.

Not likely I agree but stranger things have happened.