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Keaton Jennings
Leaving Durham and signing a 4-year deal with Lancs
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At least we know he won't be jetting off to play for England.
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The ECB have really shafted Durham with their relegation and points deduction decisions. Little chance of recovery this season, the future looks bleak as players jump ship and head to 1st Division clubs with test match grounds. It is also a pity that Lancs, Notts and Surrey cannot produce their own home grown players and have to rely on this northern outpost of 1st class cricket and an endless supply of Kolpaks.
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I think you might just have conveniently missed one there - clue: they play at Headingley.CleggHall wrote:Lancs, Notts and Surrey
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To be fair to Yorkshire (if I must) they have produced some pretty good players of their own.ClaretTony wrote:I think you might just have conveniently missed one there - clue: they play at Headingley.
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Yorks have also nicked 2 or 3 from other Counties though Willey, Plunkett and Sidebottom are 3 names that spring to mind immediately.
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Where does that leave homegrown Hameed or homegrown Davies or homegrown Livingstone, or even homegrown Rob Jones who's made a promising start?
Is Jennings going to bat at 5? Or maybe 3, that representing the easiest way back into the England team.
Is Jennings going to bat at 5? Or maybe 3, that representing the easiest way back into the England team.
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Just having a chat with a Yorkshire supporter at work and we were discussing how Durham became first class team in 1992, but we couldn't find the criteria to make a counties team a first class team, for example if Durham were to fold what would other counties in the Minor Counties Championship have to do to replace them?
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Davies got his county cap yesterday and once over the injury problems we've got a hell of a batsman in Hameed. I'm not as big a fan of Livingston since seeing his tweets last month on the day of the East Lancs derby but if he gets a lot of runs for Lancs I might just forgive him. Not seen anything of Jones as yet.maccclaret wrote:Where does that leave homegrown Hameed or homegrown Davies or homegrown Livingstone, or even homegrown Rob Jones who's made a promising start?
Is Jennings going to bat at 5? Or maybe 3, that representing the easiest way back into the England team.
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Davies was at it as well on InstagramClaretTony wrote: I'm not as big a fan of Livingston since seeing his tweets last month on the day of the East Lancs derby
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It's going worse - take that cap off him although to be fair he is from Darwen I think.ChrisG wrote:Davies was at it as well on Instagram
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Sidebottom's a Yorkshire product, he left (for Notts I think) then came back.JarrowClaret wrote:Yorks have also nicked 2 or 3 from other Counties though Willey, Plunkett and Sidebottom are 3 names that spring to mind immediately.
My mate bought his house but I don't think that's relevant.
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I think you're thinking about Ryan Sidebottom, whereas the original comment was probably referring to Ryan Sidebottom.TheFamilyCat wrote:Sidebottom's a Yorkshire product, he left (for Notts I think) then came back.
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Are there two Ryan Sidebottoms?maccclaret wrote:I think you're thinking about Ryan Sidebottom, whereas the original comment was probably referring to Ryan Sidebottom.
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It's great news for Lancs with Onions expected to be confirmed soon as well.
Lancs have too many homegrown players not quite at top level yet, playing with the better players can only help them.
Lancs have too many homegrown players not quite at top level yet, playing with the better players can only help them.
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Funnily enough yes there are.TheFamilyCat wrote:Are there two Ryan Sidebottoms?
One is playing for Warwickshire, he's not played for Yorkshire though.
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Don't think anyone can argue with the list of home-grown players that Yorkshire have produced. Lyth, Lees, Leaning, Bresnan, Bairstow, Root, Rashid, Coad, Fisher, Sidebottom, and others is a decent list, even if the well of batsman appears to have dried up a little more recently.
Disappointing that Lancashire still seem to be reliant on parachuting in players from outside their system to plaster over cracks. Given the size of Lancashire's natural catchment - from the Cumbrian mountains down to North Wales and virtually into the midlands around Crewe - their record since the generation of Atherton, Fairbrother, Martin, Chappell and Hegg is lamentable.
Disappointing that Lancashire still seem to be reliant on parachuting in players from outside their system to plaster over cracks. Given the size of Lancashire's natural catchment - from the Cumbrian mountains down to North Wales and virtually into the midlands around Crewe - their record since the generation of Atherton, Fairbrother, Martin, Chappell and Hegg is lamentable.
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I did not know that. Does that make sense of this then because it threw me:Bordeauxclaret wrote:Funnily enough yes there are.
One is playing for Warwickshire, he's not played for Yorkshire though.
I think you're thinking about Ryan Sidebottom, whereas the original comment was probably referring to Ryan Sidebottom.
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Will he get in the team?ClaretTony wrote:Leaving Durham and signing a 4-year deal with Lancs
Will be good cover for Hameed I suppose if he is called up to England squad.
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Anderson?claretspice wrote:Don't think anyone can argue with the list of home-grown players that Yorkshire have produced. Lyth, Lees, Leaning, Bresnan, Bairstow, Root, Rashid, Coad, Fisher, Sidebottom, and others is a decent list, even if the well of batsman appears to have dried up a little more recently.
Disappointing that Lancashire still seem to be reliant on parachuting in players from outside their system to plaster over cracks. Given the size of Lancashire's natural catchment - from the Cumbrian mountains down to North Wales and virtually into the midlands around Crewe - their record since the generation of Atherton, Fairbrother, Martin, Chappell and Hegg is lamentable.
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What a load of crap. Yorkshire have produced in recent times but the as the biggest County by some distance with the biggest budgets it should do.claretspice wrote:Don't think anyone can argue with the list of home-grown players that Yorkshire have produced. Lyth, Lees, Leaning, Bresnan, Bairstow, Root, Rashid, Coad, Fisher, Sidebottom, and others is a decent list, even if the well of batsman appears to have dried up a little more recently.
Disappointing that Lancashire still seem to be reliant on parachuting in players from outside their system to plaster over cracks. Given the size of Lancashire's natural catchment - from the Cumbrian mountains down to North Wales and virtually into the midlands around Crewe - their record since the generation of Atherton, Fairbrother, Martin, Chappell and Hegg is lamentable.
Lancs have a little problem letting players like Simpson (Haslingden) go to Middlesex and Barker (Enfield) to Warks etc but most of the team are from the County now. All counties use or have used Kolpaks but I'm not a big fan.
The Red rose have produced the best bowler ever for England and Flintoff who is top 3 best ever all rounders for England in recent times.
The 2nd best player Yorkies produced after Root was Hoggard.
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Isn't Vaughan a Yorky?Quickenthetempo wrote:What a load of crap. Yorkshire have produced in recent times but the as the biggest County by some distance with the biggest budgets it should do.
Lancs have a little problem letting players like Simpson (Haslingden) go to Middlesex and Barker (Enfield) to Warks etc but most of the team are from the County now. All counties use or have used Kolpaks but I'm not a big fan.
The Red rose have produced the best bowler ever for England and Flintoff who is top 3 best ever all rounders for England in recent times.
The 2nd best player Yorkies produced after Root was Hoggard.
Edit: Answered my own question. Born in Eccles but moved to Yorkshire when aged 9
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After the era of Atherton, Hegg, Martin etc. came Flintoff. After Flintoff came Anderson. After Anderson, with a bit of luck, comes Hameed.
I'm not saying that Lancashire have produced no one - they've produced a couple of outstanding players there, no doubt about it - my point is that the depth of talent Lancashire have produced in the last 20 years has been thin. In international terms, its been one a generation. Yorkshire have generally had a couple of representatives in the England test team (the idea that Hoggard was a higher calibre than Vaughan is pretty funny, I assume that's an oversight?). Yes, Yorkshire is a bigger county (although it shares substantial boundaries with 4 other first class counties, compared with 2 in Lancashire, so has nowhere near the hinterland catchment Lancashire does), but the budgets point is a total red herring.
Even the Lancashire committee would accept that this is an issue for Lancashire over a period of time. Its something Atherton addressed at some length in his autobiography 15 years ago and it hasn't greatly changed.
I'm not saying that Lancashire have produced no one - they've produced a couple of outstanding players there, no doubt about it - my point is that the depth of talent Lancashire have produced in the last 20 years has been thin. In international terms, its been one a generation. Yorkshire have generally had a couple of representatives in the England test team (the idea that Hoggard was a higher calibre than Vaughan is pretty funny, I assume that's an oversight?). Yes, Yorkshire is a bigger county (although it shares substantial boundaries with 4 other first class counties, compared with 2 in Lancashire, so has nowhere near the hinterland catchment Lancashire does), but the budgets point is a total red herring.
Even the Lancashire committee would accept that this is an issue for Lancashire over a period of time. Its something Atherton addressed at some length in his autobiography 15 years ago and it hasn't greatly changed.
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Parachuting players in?
Like Brooks, Hodd, Plunkett, Willey and Kohler-Cadmore you mean?
Glass houses and all that.
Like Brooks, Hodd, Plunkett, Willey and Kohler-Cadmore you mean?
Glass houses and all that.
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Lancashire have put all their money into the ground in recent times where Yorkshire have ramped up debts, presumably all these stars like Willey coming in. The Australians won't be cheap that have been there in recent seasons or the Aussie coaches.
Yorks will have to cut back on player budgets while they sort their ground out while Lancs should be able to expand it.
Yorks will have to cut back on player budgets while they sort their ground out while Lancs should be able to expand it.
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Noone has said that Yorkshire haven't brought in players from beyond the county boundary (although both Plunkett - a product of Durham, but also North Yorks cricket as he's from Teeside - and even more so Kohler-Cadmore, a product of Yorkshire age group cricket, are really Yorkshire's own), nor that a county team should be exclusively comprised of youth products.
But I think its fair to say that Yorkshire's external signings have supplemented a good home grown crop and made it a Championship winning team (now in decline, and Yorkshire must be careful they don't also opt for quick fixes). Lancashire have over a sustained period made external signings to cover the absence of quality in their home grown ranks in the first place. The point being that that is in contrast to the position in the mid 90s, when Lancashire were an example to all in how to blend home grown talent and external talent.
But I think its fair to say that Yorkshire's external signings have supplemented a good home grown crop and made it a Championship winning team (now in decline, and Yorkshire must be careful they don't also opt for quick fixes). Lancashire have over a sustained period made external signings to cover the absence of quality in their home grown ranks in the first place. The point being that that is in contrast to the position in the mid 90s, when Lancashire were an example to all in how to blend home grown talent and external talent.
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Yorkshire have clearly put all the focus on claiming a one day crown. Throwing as much money as possible at it. They still don't seem to have got over last seasons failures though when at one stage they looked like winning them all.Quickenthetempo wrote:Lancashire have put all their money into the ground in recent times where Yorkshire have ramped up debts, presumably all these stars like Willey coming in. The Australians won't be cheap that have been there in recent seasons or the Aussie coaches.
Yorks will have to cut back on player budgets while they sort their ground out while Lancs should be able to expand it.
You can understand why they want it so badly. As impressive as winning the County Championship is it's a competition usually watched by one man and his dog.
Of course they'll claim they are not bothered about the one day stuff, until they play Lancs or get near the finals. Perhaps they call it the League Cup over there?
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I've just had a quick look at Hoggard and Vaughan's wiki pages for Test match stats and Hoggard had the better career for me. I liked watching both play as they were both easy on the eye but 248 wkts at 30s is better than 5719 runs at 41s for me in modern day cricket.
A quote about Hoggard on there- In a 2015 analysis, statistician Andrew Samson calculated that Hoggard was England's best bowler, in terms of the batting average of the batsmen he dismissed in his career.[17]
A quote about Hoggard on there- In a 2015 analysis, statistician Andrew Samson calculated that Hoggard was England's best bowler, in terms of the batting average of the batsmen he dismissed in his career.[17]
Re: Keaton Jennings
maccclaret wrote:I think you're thinking about Ryan Sidebottom, whereas the original comment was probably referring to Ryan Sidebottom.
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Still banging that hilarious catchment area drum I see.claretspice wrote: Yes, Yorkshire is a bigger county (although it shares substantial boundaries with 4 other first class counties, compared with 2 in Lancashire, so has nowhere near the hinterland catchment Lancashire does), but the budgets point is a total red herring.
How big is it, all of North Wales, as far south as Worcestershire and as far north as the Shetland Islands?
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Glamorgan would like all of those, I'm sure. We'd claim Hameed as a South African. No-one would notice that Davies and Jones weren't two of our own. Livingstone would just have to change the spelling of his name to a welsh language version "Lufyngstwn".maccclaret wrote:Where does that leave homegrown Hameed or homegrown Davies or homegrown Livingstone, or even homegrown Rob Jones who's made a promising start?
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My sympathies lie with Durham. I lived in the county for 5/6 years before they became a 1st class county & there was a lot of enthusiasm for cricket (playing/watching) around the old pit villages.
They've done remarkably well since they became a first class county and been champions 3 times already (equal with Glam, Leic, Sussex & above Hants, Derby, Glos, Nhants, Somerset). Also produced more than their fair share of England players.
Such a shame that they were crapped upon from a great height by ECB who (IMO) played a big part in the problems that DCCC got into.
Still- can't blame Lancs for joining the queue for taking some of the "spare" talent.
They've done remarkably well since they became a first class county and been champions 3 times already (equal with Glam, Leic, Sussex & above Hants, Derby, Glos, Nhants, Somerset). Also produced more than their fair share of England players.
Such a shame that they were crapped upon from a great height by ECB who (IMO) played a big part in the problems that DCCC got into.
Still- can't blame Lancs for joining the queue for taking some of the "spare" talent.
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Ben Stokes is a badly behaved Durham player.
Durham should be fined £100,000 and deducted 48 points next year for failing to control their player, a lesson must be set for recalcitrant counties!
Durham should be fined £100,000 and deducted 48 points next year for failing to control their player, a lesson must be set for recalcitrant counties!
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When I saw Ben Stokes had been in some bother in Bristol- involving a 27 year old with facial injuries, I had to look up how old Marlon Samuels was but he's a few years beyond that.
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Another non-Yorkshireman who has adopted the white rose having a dig at Lancs.claretspice wrote:Don't think anyone can argue with the list of home-grown players that Yorkshire have produced. Lyth, Lees, Leaning, Bresnan, Bairstow, Root, Rashid, Coad, Fisher, Sidebottom, and others is a decent list, even if the well of batsman appears to have dried up a little more recently.
Disappointing that Lancashire still seem to be reliant on parachuting in players from outside their system to plaster over cracks. Given the size of Lancashire's natural catchment - from the Cumbrian mountains down to North Wales and virtually into the midlands around Crewe - their record since the generation of Atherton, Fairbrother, Martin, Chappell and Hegg is lamentable.
Another one for you - we've signed Graham Onions too. We must have similar cracks to those Willey & Plunkett plastered over.
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claretspice - given your obvious intelligence you have posted some absolute rubbish on this thread.
Keep bigging Yorkshire up. They could still be relegated tomorrow.
Keep bigging Yorkshire up. They could still be relegated tomorrow.
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Lyth? Lees? Leaning? Coad? Fisher? Eh?claretspice wrote:Don't think anyone can argue with the list of home-grown players that Yorkshire have produced. Lyth, Lees, Leaning, Bresnan, Bairstow, Root, Rashid, Coad, Fisher, Sidebottom, and others is a decent list, even if the well of batsman appears to have dried up a little more recently.
Disappointing that Lancashire still seem to be reliant on parachuting in players from outside their system to plaster over cracks. Given the size of Lancashire's natural catchment - from the Cumbrian mountains down to North Wales and virtually into the midlands around Crewe - their record since the generation of Atherton, Fairbrother, Martin, Chappell and Hegg is lamentable.
Croft, livingstone, Brown, hogg, TCP Smith would all line up against them. As well as Parry, Mahmood etc.
That’s before you get to Flintoff and England’s best ever bowler.
What a load of nonsense that Yorkie list above is. Root, Bairstow, and despite the ribbing Pies are the only ones worth noting.
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No they can't. They were safe yesterday with the bonus points they got for bowling Essex out, given Somersets failure to get more than one batting point. Get your facts right.tybfc wrote:claretspice - given your obvious intelligence you have posted some absolute rubbish on this thread.
Keep bigging Yorkshire up. They could still be relegated tomorrow.
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Onions as well, what you think?
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Gillespie, Farbrace and Moxon pulled Plunkett from the scrap heap of Durham's 2nd XI and was picked up after being released. Hardly cherry picking anther county's talent....
Willey came to progress his red ball cricket under Gillespie. He'd already been called up by England with the white ball so we have no case to cry when he gets called up, same with Buttler at Lancs.
Brooks wanted 1st division cricket, we offered him that and he came. Northants were compensated for both him and Willey.
Hoggard had a good England career but would personally have Sidebottom in my team in all formats. I'm sure most players would swap domestic one day trophies for World Cups.
Willey came to progress his red ball cricket under Gillespie. He'd already been called up by England with the white ball so we have no case to cry when he gets called up, same with Buttler at Lancs.
Brooks wanted 1st division cricket, we offered him that and he came. Northants were compensated for both him and Willey.
Hoggard had a good England career but would personally have Sidebottom in my team in all formats. I'm sure most players would swap domestic one day trophies for World Cups.
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Lancashire's last championship winning squad by the way....
Glen Chapple (Earby)
James Anderson (Burnley)
Karl Brown (Bolton)
Stephen Cheetham (Oldham)
Mark Chilton (Manchester Grammar School - born in Sheffield)
Stephen Croft (Blackpool)
Gareth Cross (Bury)
Kyle Hogg (Saddleworth High School - born in Birmingham)
Paul Horton (Liverpool Comp - born in Sydney)
Junaid Khan - Overseas Pro
Gary Keedy - Wakefield - 1 game for Yorkshire, 18 years for Lancashire
Simon Kerrigan (Preston)
Farveez Marahoof (Overseas Pro)
Sajid Mahmood (Bolton)
Stephen Moore (Signed from Worcestershire)
Oliver Newby (Blackburn)
Stephen Parry (Manchester)
Luke Proctor (Oldham)
Tom Smith (Liverpool)
Sort of debunks your one eyed argument Spice.....
Lancashire Cricket Club - Producer of England's Greatest Ever Bowler..... and in the modern era too.
Glen Chapple (Earby)
James Anderson (Burnley)
Karl Brown (Bolton)
Stephen Cheetham (Oldham)
Mark Chilton (Manchester Grammar School - born in Sheffield)
Stephen Croft (Blackpool)
Gareth Cross (Bury)
Kyle Hogg (Saddleworth High School - born in Birmingham)
Paul Horton (Liverpool Comp - born in Sydney)
Junaid Khan - Overseas Pro
Gary Keedy - Wakefield - 1 game for Yorkshire, 18 years for Lancashire
Simon Kerrigan (Preston)
Farveez Marahoof (Overseas Pro)
Sajid Mahmood (Bolton)
Stephen Moore (Signed from Worcestershire)
Oliver Newby (Blackburn)
Stephen Parry (Manchester)
Luke Proctor (Oldham)
Tom Smith (Liverpool)
Sort of debunks your one eyed argument Spice.....
Lancashire Cricket Club - Producer of England's Greatest Ever Bowler..... and in the modern era too.
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Didn't Keedy come through the Yorkshire ranks and play for them before transferring?dandeclaret wrote:Lancashire's last championship winning squad by the way....
Glenn Chapell (Earby)
James Anderson (Burnley)
Karl Brown (Bolton)
Stephen Cheetham (Oldham)
Mark Chilton (Manchester Grammar School - born in Sheffield)
Stephen Croft (Blackpool)
Gareth Cross (Bury)
Kyle Hogg (Saddleworth High School - born in Birmingham)
Paul Horton (Liverpool Comp - born in Sydney)
Junaid Khan - Overseas Pro
Gary Keedy - Wakefield - Lancashire Academy product
Simon Kerrigan (Preston)
Farveez Marahoof (Overseas Pro)
Sajid Mahmood (Bolton)
Stephen Moore (Signed from Worcestershire)
Oliver Newby (Blackburn)
Stephen Parry (Manchester)
Luke Proctor (Oldham)
Tom Smith (Liverpool)
Sort of debunks your one eyed argument Spice.....
Lancashire Cricket Club - Producer of England's Greatest Ever Bowler..... and in the modern era too.
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Glenn Chapell ?
That's the equivalent of calling our manager Shaun Ditch.
As for Jennings, he's got technical deficiencies driving through the off side.
Any county coach worth his salt will post a backward point and cover point against a decent swing bowler and it will be good night Keaton.
That's the equivalent of calling our manager Shaun Ditch.
As for Jennings, he's got technical deficiencies driving through the off side.
Any county coach worth his salt will post a backward point and cover point against a decent swing bowler and it will be good night Keaton.
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You are right Family Cat - my mistake. 1 game played for Yorkshire. 1994
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I don't think Oliver Newby will appreciate being linked with Blackburn. From Read and played for his local club until 18 or so.
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Great research Daniel. 2 questions though. Was that your favourite championship winning team and 2ndly, how the **** did they manage to win it?
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Official Cricinfo record says Blackburn Quickenthetempo
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Timothy, yes, my favourite Championship winning team. With your new found love of 20-20, started by exposure to the Big Bash nearly 4 years ago now..... which is your favourite Yorkshire 20-20 winning side.
As for how did they manage to win it? You know the score on that - get some flat track bullies, and decent fast medium bowlers, with a couple of good spinners and as long as they're not at Yorkshire or Surrey, they're unlikely to get called up to the England squad to get found out - and then you just keep playing. On a serious note, look at Spice's list above of players he's produced to represent Yorkshire's academy - christ - he's not done a good job for your production line there has he?
As for how did they manage to win it? You know the score on that - get some flat track bullies, and decent fast medium bowlers, with a couple of good spinners and as long as they're not at Yorkshire or Surrey, they're unlikely to get called up to the England squad to get found out - and then you just keep playing. On a serious note, look at Spice's list above of players he's produced to represent Yorkshire's academy - christ - he's not done a good job for your production line there has he?
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Obviously Reads not a big enough place but I thought Burnley would be nearer.dandeclaret wrote:Official Cricinfo record says Blackburn Quickenthetempo
I wonder where they class the United youngster Grimshaw whos playing in Scotland from? Who is also from Read.