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Scudamore wants more money for the bigger clubs

Postby ClaretTony » Thu Sep 28, 2017 11:55 pm

Richard Scudamore is trying to change the distribution of the television money in the next deal. The money that comes in from foreign broadcasters is currently divided evenly between the 20 clubs but he wants 35% of it to be allocated based on position. For it to be passed, it would require 14 clubs to support it and he currently has the support of nine - Arsenal, Chelsea, Everton, Leicester, Liverpool, Man City, Man United, Tottenham & West Ham.

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Postby Vino blanco » Thu Sep 28, 2017 11:58 pm

Tossed.

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Postby Vino blanco » Thu Sep 28, 2017 11:59 pm

Tosser

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Postby IanMcL » Fri Sep 29, 2017 12:00 am

WHU and Leicester are delusional.
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Re: Scudamore wants more money for the bigger clubs

Postby ClaretTony » Fri Sep 29, 2017 12:10 am

Scudamore will upset the other clubs in trying to push this through but will also upset the bigger clubs if, as expected, he fails. It will surely, ultimately, lead to the big clubs forcing changes which will allow them to set up their own television deals.

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Postby tybfc » Fri Sep 29, 2017 12:15 am

I used to have some respect for him but the more I hear of his stupid ideas these days I wish they would put Gary Ballance in charge. None of them would get anything.

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Postby Saxoman » Fri Sep 29, 2017 12:17 am

I think they should allocate based on average attendance figures..

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Postby Dyched » Fri Sep 29, 2017 12:25 am

I can see why the top clubs want it. They'll draw the highest attendance figures and what not.

I honestly want a euro super league invented. Let them play in that and English football will have a more level playing field. The money will go so more young English players will get a chance.

I can see this happening and in 20 years when the money goes we can tell Utd, Chelsea to do one when they want to come crawling back.

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Postby HunterST_BFC » Fri Sep 29, 2017 12:27 am

ClaretTony wrote:Scudamore will upset the other clubs in trying to push this through but will also upset the bigger clubs if, as expected, he fails. It will surely, ultimately, lead to the big clubs forcing changes which will allow them to set up their own television deals.


This exactly. ^^^^^

The online exclusive club deals also are part of the bigger picture. Imagine Man U's bargaining power on this... alone.

It will just further go towards killing the League, an already heavily slanted league.

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Postby hampsteadclaret » Fri Sep 29, 2017 1:16 am

Unbelievable.
Unbelievable greed.

The idea of 'a level playing field' is a good idea in so many aspects of our lives, pity we don't go with this philosophy more often.

So..the 'Big Clubs' who generally got to be a Big Club because they got more of the money by one reason or another, are already the more powerful.
- and we're thinking of changing the existing system to make THEM even more wealthy.

We all like/love our football to varying degrees but it is truly f----- up in so many ways..this being one of them.

Why isn't Scudamore thinking of ways to make the Premier League more competitive rather than increasing the Monopoly power of Big [football] Business? We all want plenty of competition in our sport don't we?...otherwise why watch it?

Who was that politician this morning who was droning on about the wonders of the market system/capitalist system at the Bank of England?
- as she was banging on I thought then, what a load of shytte she was talking.

The present organisation/financing/power structure of the Premier League is about as big an example of MARKET FAILURE that you could get.


[of course as usual, the only 'agents' that have the power to change this situation, are the very groups that have most to gain from preserving the status quo].

English football [European football?] will have it's Day of Reckoning....just a question of when.

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Postby KRBFC » Fri Sep 29, 2017 1:29 am

It makes sense, realistically how many people are going to tune in to watch a Burnley game on Sky compared with the numbers pulled from global brands like Man Utd etc. Its quite sad how the football world only really care about the very top, the race for top 4 is talked about a whole lot more than the battle to avoid relegation despite the latter being far more important and exciting Imo.
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Postby Colburn_Claret » Fri Sep 29, 2017 7:02 am

Scudamore, and the arseholes running these big clubs, can never grasp the fact that more money doesn't buy you better players, you just pay more money for the same players. It achieves nothing in the long term.
Personally I'd tell them to forget it, and if they won't comply and try to make their own deals, I'd kick them out.
No player is bigger than his club, and no team is bigger than their league.
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Re: Scudamore wants more money for the bigger clubs

Postby Ayamonte » Fri Sep 29, 2017 7:55 am

I worked with Richard Scudamore back in the 80's when he was nothing more than a man manager/ supervisor as well as being a practical joker. At that time you would never have guessed he was equipped or able to achieve much more than that although he was a likeable guy. He certainly did not appear to have any significant attributes or performance record that would eventually catapult him to the position he is in today and that still is a huge surprise to me.

Some people are extremely good and equipped at 'selling' themselves and can convince others that they are more capable than they actually are, never staying in one job too long before they make another upward career move. It's an interesting career strategy and one which I believe Scudamore has excelled.
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Postby summitclaret » Fri Sep 29, 2017 8:39 am

The top clubs get their financial reward from getting into the CL. The playing field is not level now. The trick is to avoid getting into the micky mouse Europa League if you want to avoid a relegation battle.

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Postby ClaretTony » Fri Sep 29, 2017 9:08 am

Article this morning on it from Matt Dickinson in The Times



We are so used to the big clubs getting their own way that it is startling when the little guy — if that is what we can call Premier League teams such as, say, Crystal Palace or Swansea City with turnovers of around £100 million — declines to bend over.

A roar of defiance from the top flight’s underclass? Well, certainly the escalating stand-off over how to share the Premier League’s booming overseas television rights is an intriguing test of muscle as well as money.

As the “big six” demand a greater slice of the cake — and how long before an “or else” becomes part of their negotiations? — this is not a debate to be lightly dismissed when it cuts to the long-term competitiveness of the league. Given how often we are told that this balance — anyone can beat anyone, right? — is central to English football’s appeal from London to Laos, we should rigorously question any attempt to tinker.

Steve Parish, the Crystal Palace chairman, foretold all of this when he spoke to The Times in May in anticipation of this longstanding argument coming to a head, as it has this week. “If they are not careful they will ruin it, they will cook the golden goose,” Parish said of the big clubs’ demands for more broadcast revenue. “If anyone thinks making this league more uncompetitive is going to make it more appetising, they are mad.”

And so we find the 20 top-flight chairmen locked in a delicate game of poker. As the big clubs push for that greater share — and splutter indignantly about how Huddersfield Town can take the same £39 million from the overseas pot as Manchester United given their relative appeal in Bangkok — the smaller ones are torn between keeping the peace yet also fearing that to give in is not only self-harm but the thin end of the wedge.

Somewhere in the middle is Richard Scudamore, the Premier League’s executive chairman, trying to push through a proposal which has been brought by the big six and three who regard themselves as middle-class — Everton, Leicester City and West Ham United — but so far rejected by 11 of the smallest, and with their own good reasons. Why should they vote to undermine their own position, to help the rich grow richer, when the gains for them are non-existent, and the risk of imbalance grows?

As reported here yesterday, the proposal is that 35 per cent of overseas television income would be shared via merit payments, or league position. According to some estimates, if overseas rights continue to grow to, say, £1.5 billion per season, then this could mean as much as a £20 million loss at the bottom and £20 million gain at the top — at least a £40 million swing.

The Times can reveal that the package presented by Scudamore to the 14 non-big six clubs this week also included changes to parachute payments that would recognise longevity in the league. Any club that has spent four seasons or more would receive maximum parachute payments (a little higher than at present) in the Championship with lesser sums for clubs that have been three years in the top flight and so on down to two years and one.

It is an obvious temptation to established mid-table clubs to approve the deal, giving them a softer landing should they suddenly have one wretched season; a little added insurance in the nightmare event of relegation. But anything that could reduce income to clubs outside the top 20 will, inevitably, spark fresh allegations of greed.

To the big clubs, all of this is simply righting a wrong. The Premier League was established on a 2:1 ratio for television income — the top club taking twice as much as the bottom. Over the past 25 years, that ratio has decreased closer to 1.5:1, largely through that equable share of overseas income. No one could have predicted that it would grow from a negligible amount in 1992 to more than £1.1 billion annually, with United, Liverpool and Arsenal quick to remind us how they built this global success.

They say that they have made this the world league, though, as well as the renown of the leading clubs, plus foreign players and managers, its popularity is founded too on the manic intensity of our game and a perception of highly-competitive contests.

In terms of income disparity, the Premier League is certainly Europe’s fairest; in Spain the top/bottom ratio is more like 14-1, in Italy 10-1. Germany is closer at 2-1 although Bayern Munich’s vast commercial machine skews the figures just as smaller clubs in England point out that the big six already have so much in their favour with their vast commercial and match-day income.

The little men also point out that, while we tell ourselves our league is more egalitarian, and that anyone can beat anyone — and was it only two seasons ago that Leicester City won the title and Chelsea slumped to tenth? — the league is far less equal than we might think.

Last season, for the first time, five teams recorded a goal difference of at least plus-30. More matches than ever before were decided by two goals or more, and this at a time when many of the strongest clubs have underperformed, spending squillions this summer to reassert their power.

From league football’s launch in 1888 up to 2011, the same seven clubs never filled the top seven finishing positions twice. That is 112 seasons, 112 different combinations. Yet the top seven in 2011 (the two Manchesters, Chelsea, Arsenal, Tottenham Hotspur, Liverpool and Everton) have now filled first to seventh places four times in seven years.

The big clubs say that this argument/negotiation over broadcast income is about the modern reality that they underpin the spectacular commercial success. At times, that strength has been provocatively expressed, infamously when Ian Ayre, the former Liverpool chief executive, said that “in Kuala Lumpur there isn’t anyone subscribing to ESPN to watch Bolton”.

In recent talks, the big clubs have sought to avoid the idea that they are holding a loaded gun. But, while there is no anticipation of a sudden, dramatic escalation to a breakaway, no one knows what their next move might be if their case is rejected.

The proposal presented before a vote next Wednesday was sold by Scudamore as a compromise, with a sweetener that rising broadcast income home and especially abroad should still mean all gain in real terms. He is anxious to find a settlement before the 2019-22 TV rights go to tender. Uncertainty is bad for business. But, while the small clubs know they will probably have to cave in down the line, it only needs seven of them to block, to park the bus. And, given how hard-fought any victory is over the Premier League’s richest, they might well wonder why they should give in easily.

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Postby dushanbe » Fri Sep 29, 2017 9:13 am

The league has to be competitive on some level. What I'm convinced the PL don't understand, is why it is so popular, more so than 'better' leagues abroad.

For me, its because it is so unpredictable, that we've got clubs like Burnley, Huddersfield, Bournemouth, et al who can spring a surprise, that Leicester can win the thing. There are relatively few dead rubbers, even when Burnley play Chelsea at Stamford Bridge, the unthinkable happens. It rarely does in Spain or Germany, the big two roll over everyone else and every year is a straight shoot out between them. The big clubs need the 'small' clubs more than they realise imho.
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Postby Rick_Muller » Fri Sep 29, 2017 9:22 am

The big clubs should realise that the massive TV deals come about because the TV companies want to show the best competition on their platforms. As soon as the divide gets big enough for smaller teams to be unable to compete, the spectacle will be gone, as will the money.

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Postby Blackrod » Fri Sep 29, 2017 9:31 am

Greed will kill the game as we know it. We have the strongest league system in the World. This is the appeal. Scudamore's epitaph could be the destruction of this.
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Postby skibum84 » Fri Sep 29, 2017 9:41 am

When does this get voted on?

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Postby elwaclaret » Fri Sep 29, 2017 10:00 am

The biggest clubs have been angling for an eventual Super League ever since the Premier League broke away from the Football League. Originally they protected themselves by surreptitiously controlling transfers of the top players between themselves ( until supposedly being forced to stop - judge for yourself on how successfully).
Then came the Euro Super League, which led to the Champions League ever expanding in importance and money. They now see what is happening globally (tbf due in part to their investment abroad) and now look at an Ultimate World Club Championship, or at least that as a baton to beat their respective leagues with. As alluded to on this thread the main reason it still remains a threat is they always come to the conclusion that if they push too far the might break rather than bend their bread and butter.... however with the gap and greed ever increasing there will come a time when "the brand" dictates it happens. Football is now business, far more than a sport and in business you kill the opposition eventually to grab the available profit.

Companies are like stars the ascend and then eventually descend. When having got to the top they become fat and lazy without competition, they get bloated and lazy and eventually crash. Look at the mega brands of the past how many remain on top of the game? Eventually young pretenders come through and take them down. For some reason Chairman seem to think they can keep running as pure business but keep the safety net of "Sport" being a protected market. Something will give and when something gives it usually collapses.

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Postby Chester Perry » Fri Sep 29, 2017 10:13 am

skibum84 wrote:When does this get voted on?


Wednesday next week is the next time they a go at it

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Postby AndrewJB » Fri Sep 29, 2017 10:15 am

elwaclaret wrote:The biggest clubs have been angling for an eventual Super League ever since the Premier League broke away from the Football League. Originally they protected themselves by surreptitiously controlling transfers of the top players between themselves ( until supposedly being forced to stop - judge for yourself on how successfully).
Then came the Euro Super League, which led to the Champions League ever expanding in importance and money. They now see what is happening globally (tbf due in part to their investment abroad) and now look at an Ultimate World Club Championship, or at least that as a baton to beat their respective leagues with. As alluded to on this thread the main reason it still remains a threat is they always come to the conclusion that if they push too far the might break rather than bend their bread and butter.... however with the gap and greed ever increasing there will come a time when "the brand" dictates it happens. Football is now business, far more than a sport and in business you kill the opposition eventually to grab the available profit.

Companies are like stars the ascend and then eventually descend. When having got to the top they become fat and lazy without competition, they get bloated and lazy and eventually crash. Look at the mega brands of the past how many remain on top of the game? Eventually young pretenders come through and take them down. For some reason Chairman seem to think they can keep running as pure business but keep the safety net of "Sport" being a protected market. Something will give and when something gives it usually collapses.

The trend appears to be that after getting to the top they expend more energy on maintaining their position (which is often about limiting the competition they face, rather than innovating to stay fresh).

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Postby Chester Perry » Fri Sep 29, 2017 10:17 am

elwaclaret wrote: Football is now business, far more than a sport and in business you kill the opposition eventually to grab the available profit. .


So are United and their ilk the new versions of the East India Company - they wish

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Postby elwaclaret » Fri Sep 29, 2017 10:32 am

Chester Perry wrote:So are United and their ilk the new versions of the East India Company - they wish


For us history buffs - there are few examples more extreme than the East India Company than how too much of you own way in business is ultimately counter productive. Lesser examples being Co-op and even more recently Woolies. Both of who had their fingers in so many pies they became completely unmanageable. Co-op struggled for years to streamline and contracted to almost nothing for years before they started their current run of expansion.... Woolies went too far and went belly up (youngsters wont realise just how big a shock Woolworths failing was, or that for many years Woolies were the biggest chain store in the world.

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Postby claretpipe » Fri Sep 29, 2017 11:00 am

Don’t the big six already get substantially more money from the televised games payments, they are all on ad-nauseum?

Surely they should steer towards the American Football model which prefers a more even system with total salary caps, no money transfers, a college draft system and tougher fixtures for the successful teams etc?

As previously stated it’s the drama and unpredictable nature of the game that makes it interesting.

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Postby UpTheBeehole » Fri Sep 29, 2017 11:06 am

Are we actually going to vote one way or the other on this one, or will we abstain again?

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Postby KRBFC » Fri Sep 29, 2017 12:34 pm

I wonder if we'll bend over and allow it...

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Postby BleedingClaret » Fri Sep 29, 2017 1:07 pm

IanMcL wrote:WHU and Leicester are delusional.


reminds me of when Gartside wanted to stop relegation in the Premier League, Bolton needed that.
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Postby Spijed » Fri Sep 29, 2017 1:28 pm

KRBFC wrote:I wonder if we'll bend over and allow it...


I can't see Mike Garlick wanting to kill the goose that lays the golden egg.

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Postby BleedingClaret » Fri Sep 29, 2017 1:31 pm

Saxoman wrote:I think they should allocate based on average attendance figures..


You're right, smaller town bigger allowance. Thanks Pal
Actually you have a point on Proportionate attendance.
Manchester Population 2.5 Million - Man Utd & Man City 130k current combined attendances = 5% attending
Burnley Population 73,000 - current average attendance 19,700 = 27%
That should be rewarded
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Postby IanMcL » Fri Sep 29, 2017 3:27 pm

The only thing that would result from that change, is the formation of the European league that UEFA want to see. All the big money would go to those treams and the rest are back to square one. The prem league would become meaningless.

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Postby edlass » Fri Sep 29, 2017 4:25 pm

The article quoted above mentioned increasing score line differences and seeing Man City, Man Utd and Chelsea often winning 4-0 or more this season had me wondering when people would take notice. City have just broken the record by winning by five or more in three consecutive matches (I think it was).

There seems to be a big three and then an even bigger three now, I wonder if people would take more notice if the scores reached 8/9/10-0 each week. My Dad thinks no one would care even then!

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Postby bfcmik » Fri Sep 29, 2017 5:26 pm

American Football is a good example of what happens when you have a Super league (NFL). They make billions in the course of a 16, and hopefully 19, game season but attendances at college football games is even higher than at most NFL games and TV revenues are almost as high for college programs.

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Postby Chester Perry » Fri Sep 29, 2017 5:55 pm

bfcmik wrote:American Football is a good example of what happens when you have a Super league (NFL). They make billions in the course of a 16, and hopefully 19, game season but attendances at college football games is even higher than at most NFL games and TV revenues are almost as high for college programs.


collegiate loyalty in the USA is very different to the loyalty we in this country have with our Unis apart from a very few. The Alumni associations in the US and the fund raising they do for their alma mater is something we are decades behind - even the Oxbridge pair have only been seriously at it this century (which is bizarre given how they were initially formed and supported

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Postby ontario claret » Fri Sep 29, 2017 10:54 pm

I knew something like this was coming.

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Postby conyoviejo » Fri Sep 29, 2017 10:56 pm

Saxoman wrote:I think they should allocate based on average attendance figures..


I think you should go back to the Luny bin in France :D

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Postby ontario claret » Fri Sep 29, 2017 10:56 pm

and Chester Perry, only SOME top college football teams in the Us make the big bucks. Teams like Northwestern and Vanderbilt certainly don't, yet still play top opposition and regularly get crushed.

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Postby Chester Perry » Fri Sep 29, 2017 11:47 pm

ontario claret wrote:and Chester Perry, only SOME top college football teams in the Us make the big bucks. Teams like Northwestern and Vanderbilt certainly don't, yet still play top opposition and regularly get crushed.


would not begin to contest that - bet their attendances put football league ones to shame though

The Alumini funding does not really go into sports as I understand - the loyalty to an Alma Mater is a point of pride though for most I believe

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Postby starting_11 » Fri Sep 29, 2017 11:48 pm

BleedingClaret wrote:You're right, smaller town bigger allowance. Thanks Pal
Actually you have a point on Proportionate attendance.
Manchester Population 2.5 Million - Man Utd & Man City 130k current combined attendances = 5% attending
Burnley Population 73,000 - current average attendance 19,700 = 27%
That should be rewarded
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Oh how stupid, away with yer!!

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Re: Scudamore wants more money for the bigger clubs

Postby tiger76 » Sat Sep 30, 2017 12:15 am

BleedingClaret wrote:reminds me of when Gartside wanted to stop relegation in the Premier League, Bolton needed that.


Stop promotion and relegation you kill the game, most teams by March would be playing for placings only,glorified friendlies would result with no atmosphere,also what would be the incentive for Championship clubs, even League 1 clubs,it is not that many moons ago Southampton and Bournemouth were in the 3rd tier,do you imagine Wolves would have attracted outside investment without potential promotion,Huddersfield are a perfect example, middling to lower end Championship side, but with good management and shrewd signings they reached the promised land and have a fair chance of staying there similar to us,i am not convinced a European Super League would fly in the long term,the Champions League struggles to generate interest in the group stage, especially as most of the qualifiers are predictable,PSG,Chelsea, Manure, racking up cricket scores against inadequate opponents,i can only surmise that China would be a major player in hosting games,that's fine for a pre-season kick about, but once the novelty wears off maybe 2-3 years down the line,what gimmick will follow :roll:

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Re: Scudamore wants more money for the bigger clubs

Postby Buxtonclaret » Sat Sep 30, 2017 12:31 am

It'll just become a completely sterile league, like they've got in Scotland.
It's nothing like even now.
This will just kill it off.

I've said it for years, why don't they just **** off and, give us our proper leagues back.
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Re: Scudamore wants more money for the bigger clubs

Postby claretgimmer » Sat Sep 30, 2017 12:51 am

Years ago when a super league made up of top European clubs was first muted fans of the big six made the point that to play the likes od Barca, Real etc was good but Sat matches against the likes of Leeds, Everton WHU Newcastle and the like which could be attended by more fans were the bread and butter matches that kept fans interest, I don`t think flying off to various European destinations on a fortnightly basis is as appealing. The world may be a smaller place but I fear a European league would crash and burn sooner rather than later.
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Re: Scudamore wants more money for the bigger clubs

Postby Vegas Claret » Sat Sep 30, 2017 3:07 am

Good riddance to the top 6 as far as I'm concerned. Let them go and compete in a European super league, teams like Spurs would finish 20th in a 32 team European League - I can see their fans being very happy with that !
The rest of us can fight for the Premier League and the title of the best team in England.
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Re: Scudamore wants more money for the bigger clubs

Postby Burnley Ace » Sat Sep 30, 2017 7:23 am

It just needs the FA to say that any player who chooses to play for a club in any new breakaway will always be ineligible for international selection.

It would sort out the club v country debate and with a team who see international selection as the most important would be marketed as role models not greedy etc.

Don't think the team would be that much worse off either.

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Re: Scudamore wants more money for the bigger clubs

Postby Colburn_Claret » Sat Sep 30, 2017 8:33 am

I'd also add, that when the league dies a death, and they come crawling back, that they start off at the bottom of the pyramid.
The prawn sandwich brigade are more than happy challenging for the championship year in year out. In a league containing Barca, Real Madrid, Bayern, PSG etc, the sarnies won't be so nice with away matches requiring flights midweek, just to finish as an also ran. The gloss would soon tarnish.
Let them go.

I'd add that I would be really ****** off if Burnley abstain from the vote. It's not about the Clarets, it's for the good of football.

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Re: Scudamore wants more money for the bigger clubs

Postby Royboyclaret » Sat Sep 30, 2017 12:58 pm

Don't really understand what people are getting so wound up about. There's no suggestion of a breakaway into a European Super League in the new proposals, even if the amendment is turned down (which likely as not it will be).

Any change would mean the top ten clubs in the PL would receive a slightly higher slice of the overseas tv rights than those in the bottom half, a merit based arrangement which already applies to the domestic model.

With the upward trajectory that we are currently on we could even benefit from any change, but whatever, from the '19/'20 season (the start of the new tv deal) Burnley will have a close on £150m Income from tv alone which is more than enough to provide another massive profit. Just to make sure that we are still part of the big league for the next few seasons.
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Re: Scudamore wants more money for the bigger clubs

Postby Colburn_Claret » Sat Sep 30, 2017 1:34 pm

Royboyclaret wrote:Don't really understand what people are getting so wound up about. There's no suggestion of a breakaway into a European Super League in the new proposals, even if the amendment is turned down (which likely as not it will be).

Any change would mean the top ten clubs in the PL would receive a slightly higher slice of the overseas tv rights than those in the bottom half, a merit based arrangement which already applies to the domestic model.

With the upward trajectory that we are currently on we could even benefit from any change, but whatever, from the '19/'20 season (the start of the new tv deal) Burnley will have a close on £150m Income from tv alone which is more than enough to provide another massive profit. Just to make sure that we are still part of the big league for the next few seasons.

Ask yourself Roy, why do they deserve more money.
And what do they need more money for.

The money is paid to the league as a whole for the TV rights. The league, and clubs, have no choice of who appears on the box, that's up to Sky and BT. If the league chose the matches for TV it could well be very different.

There is already a massive difference between the top 6 and the rest of the league in terms of buying power, mostly due to the other revenue streams. Giving them more money to increase the divide even more is detrimental to the league, and wouldn't enhance its saleability one bit.
Viewers want to see exciting competition, not 4-5 nil thrashings. The only foreseeable outcome if they got their way.
Extra money for them would serve no purpose. As I've already stated, they can't buy better players. They can only pay more money for the same players. This has a knock for everybody down the line, including Burnley, in that we also have to pay more for players, only without the benefit of extra money.
The only winners ultimately are the agents who would bleed football dry given the chance.

The threat of a super league had been held up before, in order to get the smaller clubs to comply. They may well use it again seeing as it's tried and trusted, only this time I think they should have the bluff called. They need the league a lot more than the league needs them. In fact a league without them would be far more competitive and generate a lot more interest.

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Re: Scudamore wants more money for the bigger clubs

Postby BleedingClaret » Sat Sep 30, 2017 2:36 pm

starting_11 wrote:Oh how stupid, away with yer!!


Merely a tongue in cheek response to our resident Blackburn Fan suggesting that bigger cubs i.e. city clubs should get a bigger cut of TV money than town teams, simply because they have bigger attendances.

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Re: Scudamore wants more money for the bigger clubs

Postby Rowls » Sat Sep 30, 2017 2:46 pm

Disgraceful.

They ought to be pushing more money further down the pyramid and yet here they are trying to snaffle yet more for themselves.

You'd think Leicester and WHU would have more sense. Leicester's one-off success has gone to their heads and WHU are just plain delusion.

Those two clubs are the Luton Town and Oldham Athletic of their times.

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Re: Scudamore wants more money for the bigger clubs

Postby Chester Perry » Sat Sep 30, 2017 2:56 pm

Interesting fact Man Utd make more money from commercial Income (not including matchday) than they do from Tv (Prem Lge and Europa/Champs Lge combined) and they have purposely not renewed their individual content/mobile sponsorships because they believe they can achieve a blockbust combined deal at either global or pan continental level - I fully expect their commercial income will top £500 in the next 3-5 yrs. More interestingly the biggest problem they have is matchday income being stagnant or even dropping as the capacity drops by over 2000 to meet disabled access reequirements (cost to install well over £20m). The cost of Investment to complete the final stand over the railway would not bring a suitable return to investment but could take capacity up to 90,000+ (a point of pride to some I would imagine)


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