Arfield booking

boatshed bill · Post by **boatshed bill** » Sun Oct 01, 2017 4:29 pm

Does this get rescinded, then?

piston broke · Post by **piston broke** » Sun Oct 01, 2017 4:30 pm

No. Only reds can be appealed.

boatshed bill · Post by **boatshed bill** » Sun Oct 01, 2017 4:36 pm

Bad decision which could easily have cost us points.

Buxtonclaret · Post by **Buxtonclaret** » Sun Oct 01, 2017 4:44 pm

Very poor decision.
But at least the ref stood up to Rooney's usual earbending for those daft penalty shouts.
Just don't know how he gets away with it.

claretblue · Post by **claretblue** » Sun Oct 01, 2017 5:33 pm

Buxtonclaret wrote:Very poor decision.
But at least the ref stood up to Rooney's usual earbending for those daft penalty shouts.
Just don't know how he gets away with it.

Koeman also had a long chat on the line with the ref!

don't know why the ref doesn't just ignore them when they bend his ear!

claretspice · Post by **claretspice** » Sun Oct 01, 2017 5:44 pm

Completely wrong decision - ought to have been a pen. Williams clearly kicked Arfield's heel and he had every right to go down - indeed I'm not sure he could have stayed on his feet.

Belgianclaret · Post by **Belgianclaret** » Sun Oct 01, 2017 5:48 pm

Never in a million years was that a dive

claretspice · Post by **claretspice** » Sun Oct 01, 2017 5:49 pm

Ironically, its the fact that Van La Parra was booked rightly last week and the focus Dyche gave it (rightly) which appears to have led to refs clamping down this weekend - and on this occasion, being over zealous.

KRBFC · Post by **KRBFC** » Sun Oct 01, 2017 5:52 pm

Minimal contact made an absolute meal of it but definitely not a dive.

RalphCoatesComb · Post by **RalphCoatesComb** » Sun Oct 01, 2017 6:09 pm

Not a pen but not a dive either.

Got booked for appealing for a pen when it wasn't.

A "talking to" would have done the trick.

lovebeingaclaret · Post by **lovebeingaclaret** » Sun Oct 01, 2017 6:20 pm

KRBFC wrote:Minimal contact made an absolute meal of it but definitely not a dive.

Obviously you have not had your heel clipped whilst running at pace followed by the defender charging into your back. Suggest you get some games in prior to making ridiculous statements.

Colburn_Claret · Post by **Colburn_Claret** » Sun Oct 01, 2017 6:20 pm

Also thought it was no dive, but no pen

That apart Moss had a surprisingly good game.

HollandsPies · Post by **HollandsPies** » Sun Oct 01, 2017 6:26 pm

Thought he went down far too easily. That's a booking nowadays

Flat Stanley · Post by **Flat Stanley** » Sun Oct 01, 2017 6:30 pm

There was contact but went down far too easy. Deserved booking

bfcmik · Post by **bfcmik** » Sun Oct 01, 2017 6:37 pm

And yet Ashley Barnes was complimented as having every right to go down when getting minimal contact by the same commentators that had just said Arfield made a meal of minimal contact and deserved the yellow. Seems like it depends where on the pitch you do it apparently.

HollandsPies · Post by **HollandsPies** » Sun Oct 01, 2017 6:39 pm

lovebeingaclaret wrote:Obviously you have not had your heel clipped whilst running at pace followed by the defender charging into your back. Suggest you get some games in prior to making ridiculous statements.

Take your Claret tinted specs off.

Stayingup · Post by **Stayingup** » Sun Oct 01, 2017 6:48 pm

claretspice wrote:Ironically, its the fact that Van La Parra was booked rightly last week and the focus Dyche gave it (rightly) which appears to have led to refs clamping down this weekend - and on this occasion, being over zealous.

Yes but Moss is a poor ref and has done Burnley no favours recently. In fact quite the opposite.

Jeffbfc · Post by **Jeffbfc** » Sun Oct 01, 2017 6:49 pm

First thought penalty.
After the replays it could have been given but a booking was harsh.

Hipper · Post by **Hipper** » Sun Oct 01, 2017 6:52 pm

Why was Defour booked?

welsbyswife · Post by **welsbyswife** » Sun Oct 01, 2017 7:21 pm

Setting aside the penalty issue it is great to see Scotty having a run in the side in great form. Clarets legend for me and still has a lot to offer. I noticed that Dyche switched him to the right straight after Brady had failed to track Baines thereby giving us greater cover on that side. Top notch today.

happyclaret17 · Post by **happyclaret17** » Sun Oct 01, 2017 7:26 pm

there was minimal contact and he made a meal of it....no problem with the card provided the referees show some consistency.

Cirrus_Minor · Post by **Cirrus_Minor** » Sun Oct 01, 2017 7:28 pm

Shouldn't have been a yellow card but equally not a penalty either.

IanMcL · Post by **IanMcL** » Sun Oct 01, 2017 8:50 pm

claretspice wrote:Completely wrong decision - ought to have been a pen. Williams clearly kicked Arfield's heel and he had every right to go down - indeed I'm not sure he could have stayed on his feet.

Exactly!

boatshed bill · Post by **boatshed bill** » Sun Oct 01, 2017 9:02 pm

Cirrus_Minor wrote:Shouldn't have been a yellow card but equally not a penalty either.

That seems to be the issue, not just in this case, but generally: it's become so black and white, pen or dive? Sometimes it's just a bit of a bump, nothing intended.

Silkyskills1 · Post by **Silkyskills1** » Sun Oct 01, 2017 10:12 pm

HollandsPies wrote:Thought he went down far too easily. That's a booking nowadays

If that was the case then Dele Ali would be booked every game he plays.

Steve-Harpers-perm · Post by **Steve-Harpers-perm** » Sun Oct 01, 2017 10:30 pm

Hipper wrote:Why was Defour booked?

Also in the dark for this! Presume it was for dissent?

As for Arfield extremely harsh definitely not a dive.

DAVETHEVICAR · Post by **DAVETHEVICAR** » Sun Oct 01, 2017 11:10 pm

Defour booked for something he said to Jon moss according to Hinchcliffe

RocketLawnChair · Post by **RocketLawnChair** » Sun Oct 01, 2017 11:16 pm

Hipper wrote:Why was Defour booked?

I was annoyed at Defour for picking up a soft booking for mouthing but then that Davies came on for them F.ing and blinding and waving his fekkin arms at Moss from 10/15 yards away on 3 separate occasions and absolutely nothing from Moss... Terrible referee

KRBFC · Post by **KRBFC** » Mon Oct 02, 2017 2:48 am

lovebeingaclaret wrote:Obviously you have not had your heel clipped whilst running at pace followed by the defender charging into your back. Suggest you get some games in prior to making ridiculous statements.

I suggest you buy some new specs if you think he had his heels clipped. Arfield running at pace? Now I know you're talking crap. There was barely any contact but because there was some it wasn't a dive.

KRBFC · Post by **KRBFC** » Mon Oct 02, 2017 2:51 am

Stayingup wrote:Yes but Moss is a poor ref and has done Burnley no favours recently. In fact quite the opposite.

Poor ref maybe but he did us a massive favour with the Lowton handball, stone wall penalty, his hand was above his head.

ExistentialWanderer · Post by **ExistentialWanderer** » Mon Oct 02, 2017 5:09 am

Said at the time it was neither a dive or a penalty. Can't imagine Scotty diving and he didn't. He'll feel quite rightly hard done by. Also, neither of the 'Everton appeals were penalties. Koeman has admitted as much now. Hell, for one of them they appealed, our player was facing the other way!

FactualFrank · Post by **FactualFrank** » Mon Oct 02, 2017 5:16 am

ExistentialWanderer wrote:Said at the time it was neither a dive or a penalty. Can't imagine Scotty diving and he didn't. He'll feel quite rightly hard done by. Also, neither of the 'Everton appeals were penalties. Koeman has admitted as much now. Hell, for one of them they appealed, our player was facing the other way!

Koeman is a top man when it comes to being honest. He'll respect the opposition and say it how it is. It's nice to see as managers like Mourinho would never contemplate such a thing.

ExistentialWanderer · Post by **ExistentialWanderer** » Mon Oct 02, 2017 5:22 am

FactualFrank wrote:Koeman is a top man when it comes to being honest. He'll respect the opposition and say it how it is. It's nice to see as managers like Mourinho would never contemplate such a thing.

Indeed. Or Wenger who only ever sees penalties for his side but never seems to see infringements committed by his team. Quite extraordinary.

MDWat · Post by **MDWat** » Mon Oct 02, 2017 7:22 am

KRBFC wrote:Poor ref maybe but he did us a massive favour with the Lowton handball, stone wall penalty, his hand was above his head.

Never a penalty in a million years.

RocketLawnChair · Post by **RocketLawnChair** » Mon Oct 02, 2017 7:29 am

The commentator described the first appeal against Lowton perfectly. You want a penalty if its in your favour but its never a penalty if its against you. Certainly not stonewall KRBFC and it would have been a very harsh award but I have seen them given.

Spike · Post by **Spike** » Mon Oct 02, 2017 7:34 am

RocketLawnChair wrote:I was annoyed at Defour for picking up a soft booking for mouthing but then that Davies came on for them F.ing and blinding and waving his fekkin arms at Moss from 10/15 yards away on 3 separate occasions and absolutely nothing from Moss... Terrible referee

How Davies did not got booked for the lunge just after he came on? TV shows him doing more dissent than football!
The bad tackle in our box was also a stonewall booking

Moss needs his head wobbling ! We are used to the Premier League refs favouring teams for the top part of the league but excuse me Mr Moss that is us!

Claretforever · Post by **Claretforever** » Mon Oct 02, 2017 7:35 am

Arfield dropped far too easily and I knew he'd get a booking, but it was nothing like Van La Parra last week. Arfield was clearly caught and he made the most of it, whereas VLP just dived with zero contact.

The Huddersfield fans frothing on their forum can't see the difference.

ClaretJimmy · Post by **ClaretJimmy** » Mon Oct 02, 2017 7:54 am

Just watched it back now as MOTD chose not to show it. Never ever a penalty. Scotty was just trying his luck.

Lancasterclaret · Post by **Lancasterclaret** » Mon Oct 02, 2017 8:04 am

Not a dive, but not a pen (I think)

Worth mentioning that Niasse made two tackles in that game that should have been yellows, and as has already been mentioned Davies should have got one as well.

lovebeingaclaret · Post by **lovebeingaclaret** » Mon Oct 02, 2017 8:33 am

KRBFC wrote:I suggest you buy some new specs if you think he had his heels clipped. Arfield running at pace? Now I know you're talking crap. There was barely any contact but because there was some it wasn't a dive.

I need glasses if I think he had his heels clipped.
There was barely any contact
There was some
It wasn't a dive

So you don't think he dived but you think he was clipped and you think the player running behind him did have contact.

Ok. At least you know i was talking crap.

Duh

piston broke · Post by **piston broke** » Mon Oct 02, 2017 10:23 am

Hipper wrote:Why was Defour booked?

It's not shown on tv but he must have said something pretty damn quick after Tarks was clearly fouled from behind. He gave Everton a throw in.
I believe SD fines them for bookings for chatting back but whatever he said he was clearly correct.

BleedingClaret · Post by **BleedingClaret** » Mon Oct 02, 2017 10:27 am

No Penalty No Dive = No Booking

Lancasterclaret · Post by **Lancasterclaret** » Mon Oct 02, 2017 10:34 am

Even Keoman said it wasn't a penalty in his after match interview.

Have the rules changed or is it still that accidental hand ball is still not hand ball.

Jamesy · Post by **Jamesy** » Mon Oct 02, 2017 10:41 am

Silkyskills1 wrote:If that was the case then Dele Ali would be booked every game he plays.

Dele Ali SHOULD be booked every game he plays. He has taken over Jamie Vardy’s crown as the King of simulation.

ClaretTony · Post by **ClaretTony** » Mon Oct 02, 2017 10:44 am

Lancasterclaret wrote:Not a dive, but not a pen (I think)

Worth mentioning that Niasse made two tackles in that game that should have been yellows, and as has already been mentioned Davies should have got one as well.

I've watched it time and again on TV since getting home and I totally agree with Lancaster - not a dive but definitely not a pen.

Also totally agree with the comments on Niasse which I referenced on the Rate the Ref thread - only Moss will know how he didn't get a yellow.

As for going down in the box, what about Sigurdsson early in the game. No one touches him at all but down he goes.

quoonbeatz · Post by **quoonbeatz** » Mon Oct 02, 2017 11:46 am

tough one for the referee and he got it spot on.

there's contact and williams got none of the ball but its a contact sport and a tap on the side of the foot like that doesn't make you go down like that.

andy hinchcliffe on the commentary took that dismal line that arfield 'was entitled to go down'; no he wasn't and that attitude needs eradicating.

boatshed bill · Post by **boatshed bill** » Mon Oct 02, 2017 11:50 am

On the subject of penalty claims, I thought Lowton's first "hand-ball" could very easily have been given.

Blackrod · Post by **Blackrod** » Mon Oct 02, 2017 12:07 pm

Would have been soft but seen them given. Not a dive in any way as clipped him. Koeman was harassing the officials trying to make claims about Lowton 'handball' and then admitted after it wasn't.

RocketLawnChair · Post by **RocketLawnChair** » Mon Oct 02, 2017 12:16 pm

Blackrod wrote:Would have been soft but seen them given. Not a dive in any way as clipped him. Koeman was harassing the officials trying to make claims about Lowton 'handball' and then admitted after it wasn't.

Can't take too much from a Managers reaction on the touchline And Koeman had the good grace to say he felt all things considered it probably was the correct decision.

Where Managers let themselves down for example is Wagner last week when the Hudds lad went down,, jumping up and down on the sideline arms aloft as if he'd been totally done over by the ref and then when asked his thoughts on the incident post match well apparently as you may have guessed he didn't see the incident !!!

With regards to Arfield again, personally think it was one of the few things Moss actually got right. He could have let Scott off if he hadn't claimed for the pen but he did so IMO the yellow was justified.

Jeffbfc · Post by **Jeffbfc** » Mon Oct 02, 2017 12:59 pm

boatshed bill wrote:On the subject of penalty claims, I thought Lowton's first "hand-ball" could very easily have been given.

A very desperate shout for a penalty, if he had have been in front of Rooney and stopped him getting a chance to head it then yes but not a chance considering how close he was.