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Re: Shakespeare sacked at Leicester

Post by dsr » Thu Oct 19, 2017 5:02 pm

The only way he could successfully rule himself out is by saying something like "I hate that [deleted] club and wouldn't touch them with a ten foot bargepole". Anything less than that would be taken as non-committal.

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Re: Shakespeare sacked at Leicester

Post by Commy » Thu Oct 19, 2017 5:05 pm

Getting a point or three at City could be bad news. They will want him then. :shock:

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Re: Shakespeare sacked at Leicester

Post by taio » Thu Oct 19, 2017 5:06 pm

Commy wrote:Getting a point or three at City could be bad news. They will want him then. :shock:
Id be delighted if we got 3 points against City.

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Re: Shakespeare sacked at Leicester

Post by RingoMcCartney » Thu Oct 19, 2017 5:08 pm

From the Leicester mercury

http://www.leicestermercury.co.uk/sport ... ext-648052" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

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Re: Shakespeare sacked at Leicester

Post by dsr » Thu Oct 19, 2017 5:13 pm

Someone somewhere must make a packet out of Dyche rumours. Every time a Premier League manager loses his job, lump a tidy sum on Dyche. The odds drop from 16-1 to odds on, then you can either cash out or lay it on Betfair. Money for nothing!

(Actually, it'd probably work on any manager. The manager betting markets are so volatile that any sizeable bet - say £50 - would be taken as being "in the know", and watch the odds plummet.)

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Re: Shakespeare sacked at Leicester

Post by Sidney1st » Thu Oct 19, 2017 5:15 pm

KRBFC wrote:8 years of PL football for a club like Wigan is pretty remarkable. They ultimately got relegated but so will we at some stage, they delayed the inevitable and clung on for 8 years. Just because they got relegated it doesn't mean they didn't survive the previous 8 seasons.
I'm referring to the switch to a better style of football under Martinez that ultimately got them relegated.
I'm fairly sure they didn't play pretty football under Bruce and Jewell and they had better league finishes with them...

You want pretty football, but we need to maintain a certain level of ugly football too.

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Re: Shakespeare sacked at Leicester

Post by UpTheBeehole » Thu Oct 19, 2017 5:16 pm

Sidney1st wrote:I'm referring to the switch to a better style of football under Martinez that ultimately got them relegated.
I'm fairly sure they didn't play pretty football under Bruce and Jewell and they had better league finishes with them...

You want pretty football, but we need to maintain a certain level of ugly football too.
So you're basing all this on a very vague recollection?

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Re: Shakespeare sacked at Leicester

Post by FactualFrank » Thu Oct 19, 2017 5:18 pm

dsr wrote:Someone somewhere must make a packet out of Dyche rumours. Every time a Premier League manager loses his job, lump a tidy sum on Dyche. The odds drop from 16-1 to odds on, then you can either cash out or lay it on Betfair. Money for nothing!

(Actually, it'd probably work on any manager. The manager betting markets are so volatile that any sizeable bet - say £50 - would be taken as being "in the know", and watch the odds plummet.)
Not a bad idea in theory, but do all bookies allow cashout on these sorts of bets?

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Re: Shakespeare sacked at Leicester

Post by tim_noone » Thu Oct 19, 2017 5:27 pm

hampsteadclaret wrote:Well it looks like Leicester City is ruled out then..great news.

I trust Dyche, and when he does leave I hope that it is at the end of a season, so that no-one gets messed around.

I will still worry a little though, if any of these clubs dump their manager in the next few months...

Arsenal
Everton
West Ham


- slightly less worried..

West Brom
Stoke


long shots...

Wolves
Aston Villa
[both interesting challenges]
** England [not a club].
Long shots I could see in the distance...arsenal and west ham are close to the mark IMO.

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Re: Shakespeare sacked at Leicester

Post by Sidney1st » Thu Oct 19, 2017 5:28 pm

UpTheBeehole wrote:So you're basing all this on a very vague recollection?
Bruce isn't known for playing free flowing football everytime, he usually has a mix.

Jewell - relegated with 11 points at Derby wasn't it?
Again he will mix it up.

Any half decent manager will, just like Dyche is doing this season.

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Re: Shakespeare sacked at Leicester

Post by tim_noone » Thu Oct 19, 2017 5:30 pm

RingoMcCartney wrote:From the Leicester mercury

http://www.leicestermercury.co.uk/sport ... ext-648052" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Cutsys had a tenner on!

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Re: Shakespeare sacked at Leicester

Post by KRBFC » Thu Oct 19, 2017 6:15 pm

Sidney1st wrote:I'm referring to the switch to a better style of football under Martinez that ultimately got them relegated.
I'm fairly sure they didn't play pretty football under Bruce and Jewell and they had better league finishes with them...

You want pretty football, but we need to maintain a certain level of ugly football too.
They survived under Martinez, I like how you're assuming the reason they were relegated was solely because of Martinez's style of play just to suit your weird point. Not every team has survived relegation playing horrible ugly football, its not the only way. We played horrible stuff to get to the PL, why was that? We had one of the best squads in the Championship but still played horrible hoofball so its not just "playing it to survive"

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Re: Shakespeare sacked at Leicester

Post by Leisure » Thu Oct 19, 2017 6:20 pm

KRBFC wrote:They survived under Martinez, I like how you're assuming the reason they were relegated was solely because of Martinez's style of play just to suit your weird point. Not every team has survived relegation playing horrible ugly football, its not the only way. We played horrible stuff to get to the PL, why was that? We had one of the best squads in the Championship but still played horrible hoofball so its not just "playing it to survive"
Don't understand the attraction for you to keep watching Burnley seeing as we only seem to play horrible ugly hoofball!
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Re: Shakespeare sacked at Leicester

Post by Sidney1st » Thu Oct 19, 2017 6:23 pm

Your weird point is we should get rid of Dyche to because then we will play better football apparently....
Even though we have been playing some better football with Dyche in charge...

We played workmanlike effective football last season and stayed up.

This season we are mixing workmanlike football with better passing football and we are 7th in the league as it stands.

Don't you like seeing the teams style evolve?
Or is it the simple fact you don't like or want to see it evolve under Dyche?

Even West Ham use route one football when it's needed plus that one touch passing that ended with Pope saving the shot really deserved a goal.

They're mixing styles to get results.......
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Re: Shakespeare sacked at Leicester

Post by Sidney1st » Thu Oct 19, 2017 6:24 pm

KRBFC wrote:They survived under Martinez, I like how you're assuming the reason they were relegated was solely because of Martinez's style of play just to suit your weird point. Not every team has survived relegation playing horrible ugly football, its not the only way. We played horrible stuff to get to the PL, why was that? We had one of the best squads in the Championship but still played horrible hoofball so its not just "playing it to survive"
Survived under Martinez.....and got relegated.
So they didn't survive then really.
League positions would suggest relegation battles every season and from memory it was.

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Re: Shakespeare sacked at Leicester

Post by ontario claret » Thu Oct 19, 2017 8:49 pm

Sean Dyche=Bill Shankly. He'll be here for life (I hope).

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Re: Shakespeare sacked at Leicester

Post by levraiclaret » Thu Oct 19, 2017 8:54 pm

RingoMcCartney wrote:From the Leicester mercury

http://www.leicestermercury.co.uk/sport ... ext-648052" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
I read this in today's Mercury, it seems to me to be based on bookies odds and some comments on TalkSport of some pundit who believes Mr Dyche was in for the Palace job in the summer and is therefore looking for another job.

I place more credence in the article posted by Paul Waine (post214) earlier in this thread from which I took three key points:
1. The Leicester owners want a marquee name as the next manager;
2. Mr Dyche was on a list of 37 possible candidates but was not interviewed:
3. The writer Matt Hughes believes Mr Dyche deserves to manage a "bigger" club.

According to Nixon the Leicester owners/DoF want another manager currently employed in the PL - Marco Silva? or Wagner?

That is all my conjecture, I am not ITK.
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Re: Shakespeare sacked at Leicester

Post by Paul Waine » Thu Oct 19, 2017 9:16 pm

I read The Times on-line and also get the print version delivered. The Matt Hughes article is shown as published in the on-line version at 12:00pm on 18th. It didn't appear in the print edition today (19th) - (and, of course, was too late for print edition for 18th). I'll take a look tomorrow morning to see if it's in Friday's print edition. Maybe there will be a new report "Sean Dyche is staying at Burnley - it's a better club than Leicester..."

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Re: Shakespeare sacked at Leicester

Post by KRBFC » Thu Oct 19, 2017 10:01 pm

Leisure wrote:Don't understand the attraction for you to keep watching Burnley seeing as we only seem to play horrible ugly hoofball!
I was born in Burnley and raised a Burnley fan, its not my fault.

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Re: Shakespeare sacked at Leicester

Post by KRBFC » Thu Oct 19, 2017 10:02 pm

Sidney1st wrote:Survived under Martinez.....and got relegated.
So they didn't survive then really.
League positions would suggest relegation battles every season and from memory it was.
How did they last 8 years in the PL if they didn't survive?

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Re: Shakespeare sacked at Leicester

Post by Sidney1st » Thu Oct 19, 2017 11:55 pm

We are talking about your desire to fire Dyche and bring a manager who you hope will play pretty football.
I'm pointing to Wigan giving Martinez the job, playing pretty football and bring worse off as a result.

I'm not talking about the 4yrs with Bruce and Jewell playing effective football, it's the pretty stuff....

You're so dense sometimes it's unreal.

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Re: Shakespeare sacked at Leicester

Post by BennyD » Fri Oct 20, 2017 12:21 am

You're right; he's so dense light bends around him. Unfortunately, he's the only one who doesn't realise it.

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Re: Shakespeare sacked at Leicester

Post by Winstonswhite » Fri Oct 20, 2017 7:57 am

http://www.lancashiretelegraph.co.uk/sp ... ef=mr&lp=4" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Not sure if it's been up already but here's latest from the evening telegraph

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Re: Shakespeare sacked at Leicester

Post by Paul Waine » Fri Oct 20, 2017 8:27 am

Winstonswhite wrote:http://www.lancashiretelegraph.co.uk/sp ... ef=mr&lp=4

Not sure if it's been up already but here's latest from the evening telegraph
Good to read. The Times has a similar article: Burnley’s Sean Dyche refuses to reject Leicester City link but it doesn't have the lengthy quotes that are in LET.

Sean Dyche is not leaving Burnley and taking the Leicester job. Good to know that "family come first" - and that Sean's family can travel up to Burnley.

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Re: Shakespeare sacked at Leicester

Post by levraiclaret » Fri Oct 20, 2017 9:21 am

There is an article in the Mirror by Andy Dunn which uses the words Leicester, job, Dyche and bargepole in the headline,,,,

http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/ ... r-11371788" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

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Re: Shakespeare sacked at Leicester

Post by UpTheBeehole » Fri Oct 20, 2017 9:35 am

Sidney1st wrote:Survived under Martinez.....and got relegated.
So they didn't survive then really.
League positions would suggest relegation battles every season and from memory it was.
Average league position in the PL (including their relegation season) was 14.6th place.

Hardly a relegation scrap every year.

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Re: Shakespeare sacked at Leicester

Post by Leisure » Fri Oct 20, 2017 10:18 am

KRBFC wrote:I was born in Burnley and raised a Burnley fan, its not my fault.
Even more reason for not expecting us to play fast flowing attractive football! :D

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Re: Shakespeare sacked at Leicester

Post by Guich » Fri Oct 20, 2017 10:27 am

KRBFC wrote:I was born in Burnley and raised a Burnley fan, its not my fault.
That's very admirable KRBFC.

Glory hunters nationwide should take a long look at themselves. If you can resist the all-action, beautiful, flowing, artistic football lure of Manchester City or even United, then why can't they? Because they are weak excuses for human beings that's why! And you are a fan among fans.

I doff my hat to you Sir. :D

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Re: Shakespeare sacked at Leicester

Post by Sidney1st » Fri Oct 20, 2017 10:35 am

UpTheBeehole wrote:Average league position in the PL (including their relegation season) was 14.6th place.

Hardly a relegation scrap every year.
Their league positions were generally worse under Martinez than they were under Bruce or Jewell.

You also know that 15th could only be a point or two above 17-18th with things like goal difference.

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Re: Shakespeare sacked at Leicester

Post by UpTheBeehole » Fri Oct 20, 2017 10:41 am

Sidney1st wrote:Their league positions were generally worse under Martinez than they were under Bruce or Jewell.

You also know that 15th could only be a point or two above 17-18th with things like goal difference.
First season under Martinez: 6 points clear of relegation (16th)
Second: 3 points (16th)
Third: 7 points (15th)
Fourth: 3 points shy and relegated, but won FA Cup.

So that's you proven incorrect there.

Come back when you've got some actual football knowledge, rather than your patronising presumptions and guesses.

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Re: Shakespeare sacked at Leicester

Post by Sidney1st » Fri Oct 20, 2017 10:50 am

Ah actual football knowledge...

I'm merely saying that the manager who supposedly played better football was unable to improve on the league positions of his predecessors and ultimately got them relegated.

You and your mate KRBFC seem to be struggling with that fact.

As for a relegation battle you know full well that a team can drag itself a few points clear towards the end of a season, so even if they're just a few points clear they could've been in the mire most of the season.

Talks about football knowledge and shows gaping holes in his own.
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Re: Shakespeare sacked at Leicester

Post by BertiesBeehole » Fri Oct 20, 2017 10:50 am

Sounds like relegation battles each season to me

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Re: Shakespeare sacked at Leicester

Post by UpTheBeehole » Fri Oct 20, 2017 10:57 am

Sidney1st wrote:Ah actual football knowledge...

I'm merely saying that the manager who supposedly played better football was unable to improve on the league positions of his predecessors and ultimately got them relegated.

You and your mate KRBFC seem to be struggling with that fact.

As for a relegation battle you know full well that a team can drag itself a few points clear towards the end of a season, so even if they're just a few points clear they could've been in the mire most of the season.

Talks about football knowledge and shows gaping holes in his own.
You don't actually know anything about football though do you? You just wade in with your general theories which you can never let go.

I suppose if you'd been steeped in football all your life you might have more of an in-depth grasp, rather than glory supporting Liverpool and then switching teams in your 30s.

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Re: Shakespeare sacked at Leicester

Post by UpTheBeehole » Fri Oct 20, 2017 11:01 am

How's that Martinez getting on now?

What's that? His current team won 9 and drew 1 of their 10 qualifiers, scoring 43 goals in the process and conceding only 6?

Yeah but relegation battles

Yeah but

Yeah but

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Re: Shakespeare sacked at Leicester

Post by Sidney1st » Fri Oct 20, 2017 12:07 pm

UpTheBeehole wrote:You don't actually know anything about football though do you? You just wade in with your general theories which you can never let go.

I suppose if you'd been steeped in football all your life you might have more of an in-depth grasp, rather than glory supporting Liverpool and then switching teams in your 30s.

You still having issues aren't you?

Just because a team finished outside of the relegation zone it doesn't mean they weren't involved in a relegation battle.
You complain when I talk down to people and then you get involved in a conversation where you're struggling to keep up...

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Re: Shakespeare sacked at Leicester

Post by Sidney1st » Fri Oct 20, 2017 12:08 pm

UpTheBeehole wrote:How's that Martinez getting on now?

What's that? His current team won 9 and drew 1 of their 10 qualifiers, scoring 43 goals in the process and conceding only 6?

Yeah but relegation battles

Yeah but

Yeah but
Coleman wasn't great at club level but has done well at international level...

Yeah but, no but wah wah wah

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Re: Shakespeare sacked at Leicester

Post by Lord Beamish » Fri Oct 20, 2017 12:15 pm

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Re: Shakespeare sacked at Leicester

Post by UpTheBeehole » Fri Oct 20, 2017 12:16 pm

Sidney1st wrote:You still having issues aren't you?

Just because a team finished outside of the relegation zone it doesn't mean they weren't involved in a relegation battle.
Man Utd finished outside the relegation zone. Were they in a relegation battle?

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Re: Shakespeare sacked at Leicester

Post by UpTheBeehole » Fri Oct 20, 2017 12:16 pm

Sidney1st wrote:Coleman wasn't great at club level but has done well at international level...

Yeah but, no but wah wah wah
Wales haven't even qualified for the playoffs.

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Re: Shakespeare sacked at Leicester

Post by Sidney1st » Fri Oct 20, 2017 12:16 pm

UpTheBeehole wrote:You don't actually know anything about football though do you? You just wade in with your general theories which you can never let go.

I suppose if you'd been steeped in football all your life you might have more of an in-depth grasp, rather than glory supporting Liverpool and then switching teams in your 30s.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2012%E2%8 ... ier_League" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; - the season they got relegated.

In the 2010-11 season they won the last game of the season to stay up.
If they'd lost they would've gone down on goal difference, they were in the relegation zone on the 2nd to last game, but no relegation battle apparently.

2011-2012 season -
"Wigan Athletic were bottom of the Premier League table in March, but seven wins in their final nine matches, including shock victories over Arsenal, Manchester United, Liverpool and Newcastle, ensured a 15th-place finish for Roberto Martinez's team."
So that looks like a relegation battle again....

So lets talk about having an in-depth grasp of football shall we, assuming you still want to carry this on?

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Re: Shakespeare sacked at Leicester

Post by duncandisorderly » Fri Oct 20, 2017 12:17 pm

You two are mental. Properly mental. It's great fun to watch.

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Re: Shakespeare sacked at Leicester

Post by Sidney1st » Fri Oct 20, 2017 12:18 pm

UpTheBeehole wrote:Wales haven't even qualified for the playoffs.
Previous tournement efforts went well though for Coleman and it's a widely held opinion that he's done a very good job under what were initially difficult circumstances.

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Re: Shakespeare sacked at Leicester

Post by Sidney1st » Fri Oct 20, 2017 12:18 pm

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He's not my type, whines like a bitch to much.

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Re: Shakespeare sacked at Leicester

Post by UpTheBeehole » Fri Oct 20, 2017 12:31 pm

Lord Beamish wrote:If UpTheBeeHole and Sidney1st were to meet up, I'd suggest one should bring the condoms, the other the lube.
Well, we all know Sidney likes to switch which side he supports, if you get me.

It's been long known that my favourite position is right in the middle of the Beehole.








*Note for Sidney and all other post 2000s fans; the Beehole End was the uncovered stand behind the goal, where the Jimmy McIlroy stand is now.*

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Re: Shakespeare sacked at Leicester

Post by Sidney1st » Fri Oct 20, 2017 12:32 pm

I know what the stand looked like, my family went on it for years when they lived in Burnley.

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Re: Shakespeare sacked at Leicester

Post by Hipper » Fri Oct 20, 2017 1:47 pm

Just reading the Wiki entry for Wigan and there's a couple of interesting sentences:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wigan_Athletic_F.C" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;.

Under Martinez...'on 7 May 2012, they simultaneously secured their Premier League status and relegated Blackburn Rovers with a 1–0 victory at Ewood Park'.

'Coyle (who followed Martinez) left the club by mutual agreement on 2 December 2013 (after six months) having won seven games out of twenty-three and having faced criticism by Latics supporters regarding his style of play'.

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Re: Shakespeare sacked at Leicester

Post by KRBFC » Fri Oct 20, 2017 3:03 pm

Sidney1st wrote:Their league positions were generally worse under Martinez than they were under Bruce or Jewell.

You also know that 15th could only be a point or two above 17-18th with things like goal difference.
So we didn't survive last year then? :lol: Strange logic really to say Wigan didnt survive at all because they didn't finish high up in the league.

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