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Re: Shakespeare sacked at Leicester

Post by tim_noone » Tue Oct 17, 2017 8:05 pm

Dunno...

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Re: Shakespeare sacked at Leicester

Post by Nonayforever » Tue Oct 17, 2017 8:05 pm

I can't say I'm surprised by this announcement, but I was surprised by his appointment.

The Huddersfield manager, Wagner, comes to mind as a trendy choice but big Sam would be a safer pair of hands.
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Re: Shakespeare sacked at Leicester

Post by ontario claret » Tue Oct 17, 2017 8:10 pm

Arrrrrrrrr......

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Re: Shakespeare sacked at Leicester

Post by ontario claret » Tue Oct 17, 2017 8:10 pm

Wagner was my first idea.
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Re: Shakespeare sacked at Leicester

Post by kentonclaret » Tue Oct 17, 2017 8:49 pm

Half-time discussion on Sky amongst the pundits and Matt Le Tissier puts forward Sean Dyche as a possible replacement worth looking at. :x

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Re: Shakespeare sacked at Leicester

Post by CnBtruntru » Tue Oct 17, 2017 10:11 pm

tim_noone wrote:Dunno...
Eh, behave. :D

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Re: Shakespeare sacked at Leicester

Post by CnBtruntru » Tue Oct 17, 2017 10:13 pm

Nonayforever wrote:I can't say I'm surprised by this announcement, but I was surprised by his appointment.

The Huddersfield manager, Wagner, comes to mind as a trendy choice but big Sam would be a safer pair of hands.
I thought Wagner was more into music, what do I know!

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Re: Shakespeare sacked at Leicester

Post by Cirrus_Minor » Tue Oct 17, 2017 10:20 pm

Very unlikeable club. Hope they go down.

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Re: Shakespeare sacked at Leicester

Post by elwaclaret » Tue Oct 17, 2017 10:39 pm

This one worries me slightly more than Palace speculation did; because if they do tip their hats at SD I can see them ticking a hell a lot of boxes with him.

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Re: Shakespeare sacked at Leicester

Post by bfcjg » Tue Oct 17, 2017 10:40 pm

Dyche won't go there,it's much a do about nothing IMHO.

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Re: Shakespeare sacked at Leicester

Post by dsr » Tue Oct 17, 2017 10:48 pm

I don't think Sean Dyche would go to Leicester because if he did, he's taking a step backwards. He's got Burnley, he hopes, to a mid-table side based on early season form and will expect to take us onwards. Leicester are a relegation-threatened side and appear to be where we were a year ago. But they have a lot of fancy-dan players, according to their own fans on foxestalk, who aren't putting a shift in.

Add in the foreign owners who have shown themselves willing to sack a man 8 games into a three year contract - and bear in mind that the only teams they have lost to are Arsenal, Man U, Chelsea, and Liverpool - so the job security has gone. And add in the fact that Dyche is not primarily about money, or he would have signed a five year contract at Burnley instead of his one-year rolling deal; he is about ambition and wants a fairly flexible contract (I would assume) so he can go to a bigger job without any hassle. And bear in mind Leicester have blown their Champions League pot of cash on a boatload of players who aren't doing well, and paying a vast pot of wages, so they aren't financially as much better off than Burnley as they might be. All reasons for him not to go.

Principally, his reputation at Burnley is going high enough at present that he might be considered for a bigger job. If he goes to Leicester, and isn't an instant success, he could be sacked by Christmas and his reputation has plummeted; it would take years to build it back up. That's why IMO he shouldn't take the Leicester job even if they want him, and IMO why he won't.

(It also occurs to me that Pearson is working in Belgium for another club in the same ownership as Leicester. Which sounds to me like the Thais are keeping him ready to step in if needed.)

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Re: Shakespeare sacked at Leicester

Post by bfcmik » Tue Oct 17, 2017 11:04 pm

I read, or heard, that SD enjoys the fact he still has full control over all aspects of running the team. He sits with the recruitment team to discuss potential in and outs, he sits down with the board to discuss development work at either Turf Moor or Gawthorpe/Barnfield. He is involved in decisions about who gets which support roles in the training regime which is determined by himself. He has also been told, I'm sure, that he will get the time needed to develop the squad into one capable, hopefully, of maintaining our Premier League status on an ongoing basis.

Why would he want to go to a club where he could quite possibly find himself sacked before getting time to make his mark?

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Re: Shakespeare sacked at Leicester

Post by Inchy » Tue Oct 17, 2017 11:37 pm

If Dyche has any ambition he will go there if offered.

Recent prem winners, still have some top players, have money to spend.

Seems a perfect step up. He’s never going to get a Arsenal or Chelsea. This is his chance to really prove himself.


I know a lot will disagree but il put myself on the line here. If a serious offer comes in, he will go

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Re: Shakespeare sacked at Leicester

Post by tim_noone » Tue Oct 17, 2017 11:43 pm

You could be correct ....but hopefully not. Links to other clubs were way off the mark,this will have him thinking I'm sure.family life could come into it.

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Re: Shakespeare sacked at Leicester

Post by Inchy » Tue Oct 17, 2017 11:49 pm

I don’t think he will go there though. Think someone else is lined up. Dyche is suited for Everton when that unfolds

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Re: Shakespeare sacked at Leicester

Post by Vegas Claret » Wed Oct 18, 2017 1:10 am

Papers are full of Dyche is the man they want :(

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Re: Shakespeare sacked at Leicester

Post by Dyched » Wed Oct 18, 2017 1:18 am

I could see him there tbh.

But the big problem is their PL win. What is success for them now? Top 10 finish? They've sacked a manager who won the league 8/9 months later and sacked his successor 8/9 months later. If he left he realistically has 1 transfer window to get it right.

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Re: Shakespeare sacked at Leicester

Post by PutTheWheelieBinsOut » Wed Oct 18, 2017 3:50 am

Leicester City prepare offer for Burnley boss Sean Dyche after sacking Craig Shakespeare

http://www.express.co.uk/sport/football ... Sean-Dyche

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Re: Shakespeare sacked at Leicester

Post by SonofPog » Wed Oct 18, 2017 7:20 am

https://www.foxestalk.co.uk/topic/11364 ... er/?page=1" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Here's a fan poll from 1/10, Dyche isn't even on it. So he's obviously highly wanted by the fans,

Skipping to the last few pages, you see some think he would be a great appointment, but others think he'll struggle to get the respect of the players :roll: :lol:

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Re: Shakespeare sacked at Leicester

Post by South West Claret. » Wed Oct 18, 2017 7:24 am

PutTheWheelieBinsOut wrote:Leicester City prepare offer for Burnley boss Sean Dyche after sacking Craig Shakespeare

http://www.express.co.uk/sport/football ... Sean-Dyche
The usual newspaper nonsense when a vacancy comes up, as usual there is absolutely no chance of SD going to Leicester.

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Re: Shakespeare sacked at Leicester

Post by Rick_Muller » Wed Oct 18, 2017 8:02 am

From the express link...
But Dyche is the man who fits the bill and may feel now is the right time to move on from Turf Moor.

He is on a one-year rolling deal at Burnley but Leicester are ready to treble his salary and give him the cash budget for players that he can only dream of.
That will be very tempting to Dyche, providing he can get the full control of everything he wants - that will be the key to their negotiations. I said it further up the thread, this is the club I feared would come in for him and it is the most likely club to be able to prise him away from Burnley.

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Re: Shakespeare sacked at Leicester

Post by 1968claret » Wed Oct 18, 2017 8:34 am

Apparently Sam Allardyce is keen on the job.

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Re: Shakespeare sacked at Leicester

Post by IndigoLake » Wed Oct 18, 2017 8:43 am

I have never been worried about previous jobs that Dyche has been linked with. However, I think there may be cause for concern here. I can see some reasons why it would be an attractive move to him.

Actually, Sean Dyche is a big Kasabian fan who are themselves big Leicester City fans. Consider this a done deal then.

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Re: Shakespeare sacked at Leicester

Post by levraiclaret » Wed Oct 18, 2017 9:07 am

Yes his liking for Kasabian is a real lapse in judgement.

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Re: Shakespeare sacked at Leicester

Post by CharlieinNewMexico » Wed Oct 18, 2017 9:19 am

What Chris Wood is this before us? Clearly, this is dunsinsane

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Re: Shakespeare sacked at Leicester

Post by Lancasterclaret » Wed Oct 18, 2017 9:19 am

If he doesn't win for six games, he'll be sacked.

He won't have the control over the club that he wants.

But if he is serious about going all the way, then he needs to move at some time. I'm not sure that Leicester are that club to be perfectly honest.

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Re: Shakespeare sacked at Leicester

Post by IndigoLake » Wed Oct 18, 2017 9:26 am

levraiclaret wrote:Yes his liking for Kasabian is a real lapse in judgement.
You could say he's a Man of Simple Pleasures.

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Re: Shakespeare sacked at Leicester

Post by elwaclaret » Wed Oct 18, 2017 9:36 am

1968claret wrote:Apparently Sam Allardyce is keen on the job.
Big Sam is in for the US National job. If he's offered that I think that would remain his first choice. But we all know he's greedy so if they throw enough money his way it would sway it.

However I think anyone who does not think Leicester would be tempting for SD are deluding themselves slightly. They retain a higher profile as a club, they have a history (though not recent) of being good at bringing players through. They retain the element of "us against the world" mentality that SD likes and if they are willing to trust SD to come in with a new broom and are willing to back him it makes sense. It's closer to home, closer to the smoke and would show if he's a manager that could turn around another club, a 'bigger' club with bigger stars. IF and "if" is the biggest small word in the English language SD sees himself bridging the gap to being considered for top level jobs he's going to have to make the leap sometime to prove he's not a one hit wonder. It all depends on how far SD thinks he can go with us and what they are willing to let him do there. AND then there is location - much closer to a normal commute for him, higher media profile, closer to the City to attract players.

I hope he is so focused on what he's doing at Burnley to go, but if they are serious and determined I think SD will see it as the kind of club where he can develop from "Isn't it amazing what he's doing at Burnley" to "he could be a possible Arsenal / Everton level manager. I do not think clubs like Everton would dare go for him at this stage they are looking at the stars ( they would need a quick and desperate fix I believe before Everton would turn their attention from the green room of out of work "Top" European names.

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Re: Shakespeare sacked at Leicester

Post by Quickenthetempo » Wed Oct 18, 2017 11:19 am

If Dyche went to Leicester and got sacked taking them down, it's more or less career over.

He could get a chance at an under achieving championship club like Villa/Derby but Dyche isn't an instant success type of manager. He would need a pre season to get things right.

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Re: Shakespeare sacked at Leicester

Post by Spijed » Wed Oct 18, 2017 11:35 am

But would he ever go to a club where the manager has no say whatsoever in who is bought or sold?

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Re: Shakespeare sacked at Leicester

Post by cricketfieldclarets » Wed Oct 18, 2017 11:49 am

He wont go here. He will either take the england job or the west ham job when they become available.

Leicester have peaked. There is nothing there for him to achieve!

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Re: Shakespeare sacked at Leicester

Post by COYC73 » Wed Oct 18, 2017 11:50 am

If Dyche gets offered the Leicester job and turns it down....I think he'll stay at Burnley a very long time!

It's a perfect step up for him, better players, more money....if he doesn't take this he isn't going anywhere....

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Re: Shakespeare sacked at Leicester

Post by TonbridgeClaret » Wed Oct 18, 2017 12:04 pm

I would be surprised if he didn't take the Leicester job (should they offer it to him). Apparently they will treble his wages, he will have a healthy transfer budget, he will have a 30 minute commute to work, meaning he can go home every night, instead of three nights a week living out of a suitcase in Burnley. No brainer.

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Re: Shakespeare sacked at Leicester

Post by gandhisflipflop » Wed Oct 18, 2017 12:07 pm

Leicester a bigger club. Really? I mean yes the commute and what not is more ideal and they have more money butbtgis is a club that was on a par with us for the best part of 15 years in the championship and even slipped into league one.

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Re: Shakespeare sacked at Leicester

Post by Spijed » Wed Oct 18, 2017 12:07 pm

From Chris Boden:

"Almost a gentleman's agreement in PL not to approach other clubs mid-season, much of which you can trace back to Coyle's departure from Turf"

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Re: Shakespeare sacked at Leicester

Post by Steve1956 » Wed Oct 18, 2017 12:12 pm

Spijed wrote:From Chris Boden:

"Almost a gentleman's agreement in PL not to approach other clubs mid-season, much of which you can trace back to Coyle's departure from Turf"
There are no gentlemen in football,if Leicester want Dyche and Dyche wants Leicester he will be gone.

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Re: Shakespeare sacked at Leicester

Post by Grumps » Wed Oct 18, 2017 12:13 pm

Spijed wrote:From Chris Boden:

"Almost a gentleman's agreement in PL not to approach other clubs mid-season, much of which you can trace back to Coyle's departure from Turf"
Means nothing, if they want him they'll go for him

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Re: Shakespeare sacked at Leicester

Post by Sidney1st » Wed Oct 18, 2017 12:14 pm

According to the Daily Mail, Dyche has a buyout clause in his contract of £2.5 million.

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Re: Shakespeare sacked at Leicester

Post by SalisburyClaret » Wed Oct 18, 2017 12:22 pm

Difficult to go to Leicester and be a success - their expectations are a long way from reality.

Being in football management and knowing you have a safe job for a few years plus the chance to build a real legacy at the top level gives him a unique opportunity he'd be mad to turn away from - especially for the sake of a commute and a few quid

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Re: Shakespeare sacked at Leicester

Post by Dyched » Wed Oct 18, 2017 12:23 pm

Spijed wrote:From Chris Boden:

"Almost a gentleman's agreement in PL not to approach other clubs mid-season, much of which you can trace back to Coyle's departure from Turf"
:lol:

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Re: Shakespeare sacked at Leicester

Post by Blackrod » Wed Oct 18, 2017 12:26 pm

Dyche can get a bigger club if he bides his time. We are the most patient club in the PL. 6 poor results elsewhere and it could be PL career over.

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Re: Shakespeare sacked at Leicester

Post by Sidney1st » Wed Oct 18, 2017 12:27 pm

Part of Leicester's issue this season has been selling Drinkwater and not registering the replacement in time for him to play.

That isn't going to change before January and the owners will be wanting results to change fairly quickly.

Have they got better quality players?
Yes to varying degrees.

Are they working together as a team?
I'd say no and that's the issue.

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Re: Shakespeare sacked at Leicester

Post by Steve1956 » Wed Oct 18, 2017 12:28 pm

SalisburyClaret wrote:Difficult to go to Leicester and be a success - their expectations are a long way from reality.

Being in football management and knowing you have a safe job for a few years plus the chance to build a real legacy at the top level gives him a unique opportunity he'd be mad to turn away from - especially for the sake of a commute and a few quid
I'm sure it's not the commute or the money,it's about spending quality time with his young family ,if Leicester want Dyche I think unfortunately he's gone. ;)

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Re: Shakespeare sacked at Leicester

Post by Sidney1st » Wed Oct 18, 2017 12:29 pm

Steve1956 wrote:I'm sure it's not the commute or the money,it's about spending quality time with his young family ,if Leicester want Dyche I think unfortunately he's gone. ;)
Only if Dyche want's Leicester.
His family have coped with him travelling for 5yrs now.
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Re: Shakespeare sacked at Leicester

Post by Steve1956 » Wed Oct 18, 2017 12:33 pm

Sidney1st wrote:Only if Dyche want's Leicester.
His family have coped with him travelling for 5yrs now.
Honestly Sid,do we know they have coped?

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Re: Shakespeare sacked at Leicester

Post by Spijed » Wed Oct 18, 2017 12:34 pm

Steve1956 wrote:Honestly Sid,do we know they have coped?
Do you think he'd have stayed at Burnley for 5 years if they hadn't?

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Re: Shakespeare sacked at Leicester

Post by Steve1956 » Wed Oct 18, 2017 12:36 pm

Spijed wrote:Do you think he'd have stayed at Burnley for 5 years if they hadn't?
I'm not privy to want goes on behind Dyche's front door,and I suspect neither are you!

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Re: Shakespeare sacked at Leicester

Post by cricketfieldclarets » Wed Oct 18, 2017 12:41 pm

TonbridgeClaret wrote:I would be surprised if he didn't take the Leicester job (should they offer it to him). Apparently they will treble his wages, he will have a healthy transfer budget, he will have a 30 minute commute to work, meaning he can go home every night, instead of three nights a week living out of a suitcase in Burnley. No brainer.
People dont actually believe he lives out of a suitcase do they though?

He will just have a house, with everything he needs in Burnley (including a wardrobe!)

He could leave. But dont think it will be for Leicester.

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Re: Shakespeare sacked at Leicester

Post by cricketfieldclarets » Wed Oct 18, 2017 12:43 pm

Steve1956 wrote:I'm not privy to want goes on behind Dyche's front door,and I suspect neither are you!
If it wasnt working he wouldnt be here. Look at Howe. Dropped down a level to be near his family!

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Re: Shakespeare sacked at Leicester

Post by Sidney1st » Wed Oct 18, 2017 12:46 pm

Steve1956 wrote:Honestly Sid,do we know they have coped?
Eddie Howe's family couldn't cope and he ended up moving back home for example.

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