Best striker of the modern game

Goody1975 · Post by **Goody1975** » Thu Oct 19, 2017 12:51 am

Goalposts wrote:ronaldo mk1 and marco van basten

You win the prize for the correct answer.

happyclaret17 · Post by **happyclaret17** » Thu Oct 19, 2017 8:27 am

rocket Ron Futcher...now close the thread.....lethal from anywhere within 2 yards.

IanMcL · Post by **IanMcL** » Thu Oct 19, 2017 11:55 am

Sidney1st wrote:You're fishing with that one, have to be.

No. Anyone watching a a young Defoe would know he was lightning fast and very clinical.

Sidney1st · Post by **Sidney1st** » Thu Oct 19, 2017 12:32 pm

IanMcL wrote:No. Anyone watching a a young Defoe would know he was lightning fast and very clinical.

Anyone looking at his goals stats would see that he wasn't actually that clinical, or he didn't have many shots in the course of a season.

It's only in his few years at Sunderland that he was truly prolific, which is when everyone started getting all excited about him and wanting him to play for England etc

I do believe he's not that prolific at Bournemouth....7 appearances and 1 goal in the league.

THEWELLERNUT70 · Post by **THEWELLERNUT70** » Thu Oct 19, 2017 12:49 pm

I know he's not wired up but Chewie Louis Suarez has to be up there. Aubameyang as well

Foshiznik · Post by **Foshiznik** » Thu Oct 19, 2017 12:50 pm

bfccrazy wrote:I think his fitness issues showed how good he really was - even in his mid 30s and overweight he was still sprinting past young defenders and scoring.

As good as many people know he is, I genuinely feel he is under-rated. May seem crazy, but in my opinion, he is one of the greatest players to ever grace a football pitch. As you said, his injuries showed just how good he was. Was overweight at Real Madrid but still the world's best. If only the early inter Ronaldo hadn't buckled his knee. What a player.

tiger76 · Post by **tiger76** » Thu Oct 19, 2017 3:23 pm

KRBFC wrote:Is Pele footballs biggest fraud? I'm sure some of the older ones could answer this question. His record is fantastic in the Brazilian league and American "soccer" though.

You forgot the World Cups then, apart from 1966 when he was kicked out of the tournament, he contributed significantly to Brazil's domination.

KRBFC · Post by **KRBFC** » Thu Oct 19, 2017 3:33 pm

tiger76 wrote:You forgot the World Cups then, apart from 1966 when he was kicked out of the tournament, he contributed significantly to Brazil's domination.

I didnt forget anything, I was never alive to see him play. A simple question having looked at his impressive goal record in terrible leagues.

Foshiznik · Post by **Foshiznik** » Thu Oct 19, 2017 4:28 pm

KRBFC wrote:I didnt forget anything, I was never alive to see him play. A simple question having looked at his impressive goal record in terrible leagues.

World football was very different back then. Brazil kept it's stars. One of the best national teams of all time's players played in Brazil. The Copa Libertadores was arguably a stronger competition than the European cup. If anything, he is underrated as most people who pick this didn't see them live.

keith1879 · Post by **keith1879** » Thu Oct 19, 2017 4:28 pm

He was extraordinarily good in the 1970 world cup ....and a complete gentleman as well. Mind you that whole team was excellent as a team.

IanMcL · Post by **IanMcL** » Thu Oct 19, 2017 4:58 pm

Sidney1st wrote:Anyone looking at his goals stats would see that he wasn't actually that clinical, or he didn't have many shots in the course of a season.

It's only in his few years at Sunderland that he was truly prolific, which is when everyone started getting all excited about him and wanting him to play for England etc

I do believe he's not that prolific at Bournemouth....7 appearances and 1 goal in the league.

I seem to remember him scoring 10 in a row for B'mth before he got started.

His striking prowess came to the fire at WHU. I recall he left us for dead during that time.

Sidney1st · Post by **Sidney1st** » Thu Oct 19, 2017 5:31 pm

IanMcL wrote:I seem to remember him scoring 10 in a row for B'mth before he got started.

His striking prowess came to the fire at WHU. I recall he left us for dead during that time.

Lower league, 2 wasn't it at Bournemouth?

As for PL, before Sunderland he didn't get more than 10 in a season that often, hardly the prolific striker you think he used to be.

Sunderland were his best years.

piston broke · Post by **piston broke** » Thu Oct 19, 2017 6:34 pm

tim_noone wrote:Ahh davor sukor...

thank god his mother didn't call him Dick!

Batistuta and Van Basten for me.

piston broke · Post by **piston broke** » Thu Oct 19, 2017 6:39 pm

KRBFC wrote:Is Pele footballs biggest fraud? I'm sure some of the older ones could answer this question. His record is fantastic in the Brazilian league and American "soccer" though.

3 World Cup wins over 12 years and he was kicked out of England '66 would suggest not.

South West Claret. · Post by **South West Claret.** » Thu Oct 19, 2017 6:41 pm

Define modern please?

Walton · Post by **Walton** » Thu Oct 19, 2017 6:56 pm

Mk 1 Ronaldo is the best, he was unbelievable.

Batistuta, Van Basten, Henry, Torres, Shearer, Papin, Gullit, Shevchenko, Crespo are all on the level below, but all still absolutely world class.

Fretters · Post by **Fretters** » Thu Oct 19, 2017 7:09 pm

A couple who were devastating for their clubs but never really for their country - Wright and Fowler. I'd have still called them world class tough. Fowler was such a natural finisher.

Vegas Claret · Post by **Vegas Claret** » Thu Oct 19, 2017 7:18 pm

stats prove it is Ronaldo mk2, the rest is just conjecture

Woodleyclaret · Post by **Woodleyclaret** » Thu Oct 19, 2017 8:00 pm

Unfortunately. Aguero.creates goals from nothing needs kicking early on Saturday.

Saxoman · Post by **Saxoman** » Thu Oct 19, 2017 8:06 pm

Luc nilis

TVC15 · Post by **TVC15** » Thu Oct 19, 2017 8:07 pm

Sidney1st wrote:Lower league, 2 wasn't it at Bournemouth?

As for PL, before Sunderland he didn't get more than 10 in a season that often, hardly the prolific striker you think he used to be.

Sunderland were his best years.

Really ?

I'm pretty sure he scored 10 or more goals a season for the vast majority of his career - where did you get your stats from ?

270 goals in 657 games would be pretty hard without scoring 10 or more goals in a season !

taio · Post by **taio** » Thu Oct 19, 2017 8:42 pm

I'm with Sid on this. Defoe has been very good but really surprising that anyone could think he's in the same class as most of the other players mentioned. In fact I assumed it was a p1ss take too.

Sidney1st · Post by **Sidney1st** » Thu Oct 19, 2017 9:18 pm

199 league goals in 542 league games.
He's a shade under a 1 in 3 ratio striker, not good enough to be rated alongside some of the names mentioned on here.
Some of his goals are in lower leagues too so it bolsters his figures.

I like Defoe and after what happened with that young Sunderland fan he will always have a massive amount of respect from me, but he just isn't as good as some misty eyed people are claiming.

TVC15 · Post by **TVC15** » Thu Oct 19, 2017 9:29 pm

I'm not misty eyed -nor do I think he's up there with many of the strikers mentioned on this thread.

I was just pointing out that your comment about him rarely scoring more than 10 goals a season is way off - even if you now choose to count only league goals for some reason.

Goals in other comps are still goals and he's scored more than 10 goals in most seasons he's played.

He's been a good striker who has played at the top level for more years than most strikers manage to.

How many of his goals have been in the lower league ? Can't be that many surely.

Not many British strikers have scored as many as Defoe - he can't be that bad.

Sidney1st · Post by **Sidney1st** » Thu Oct 19, 2017 9:40 pm

40 of his league goals are lower league.

I mention league goals because that's usually what I measure a striker on.

He is a good player, just not what I'd consider up there.

Archie Claret · Post by **Archie Claret** » Thu Oct 19, 2017 9:51 pm

Klinsmann was good (when sensible), and Fowler was excellent for Liverpool.

KRBFC · Post by **KRBFC** » Thu Oct 19, 2017 9:59 pm

piston broke wrote:3 World Cup wins over 12 years and he was kicked out of England '66 would suggest not.

But to be mentioned as one of the best ever then you have to look past the trophies won. John Oshea has a big trophy cabinet including a Champions League winners medal. I have never seen Pele play so I asked a question for people who have.

piston broke · Post by **piston broke** » Thu Oct 19, 2017 10:10 pm

KRBFC wrote:But to be mentioned as one of the best ever then you have to look past the trophies won. John Oshea has a big trophy cabinet including a Champions League winners medal. I have never seen Pele play so I asked a question for people who have.

I took you in good faith. He was superb. a level above every other player at the time. Touch, strength, pace, vision and a calmness in front of goal that was unreal.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rckmjp41fs4" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

youtube "best of Pele" sit back and put your feet up for a treat.

IanMcL · Post by **IanMcL** » Thu Oct 19, 2017 11:28 pm

Sidney1st wrote:Lower league, 2 wasn't it at Bournemouth?

As for PL, before Sunderland he didn't get more than 10 in a season that often, hardly the prolific striker you think he used to be.

Sunderland were his best years.

Just checked for myself. He has had a great goals per game ratio throughout his career and particularly at his peak WHU and Spurs.

KRBFC · Post by **KRBFC** » Thu Oct 19, 2017 11:54 pm

piston broke wrote:I took you in good faith. He was superb. a level above every other player at the time. Touch, strength, pace, vision and a calmness in front of goal that was unreal.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rckmjp41fs4" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

youtube "best of Pele" sit back and put your feet up for a treat.

Why did he never play in a big European league or was the Brazilian league strong back then?

Sidney1st · Post by **Sidney1st** » Fri Oct 20, 2017 12:00 am

IanMcL wrote:Just checked for myself. He has had a great goals per game ratio throughout his career and particularly at his peak WHU and Spurs.

Not even close to the level of Aguero, or even Kane in regards to goals scored games played ratio.

Assuming Kane stays at Spurs he will pass Defoe quick enough in regards to league goals.

Defoe was just a run of the mill striker in regards to league goals, no better or worse than Giroud and plenty of gooners don't rate him.

piston broke · Post by **piston broke** » Fri Oct 20, 2017 12:47 am

KRBFC wrote:Why did he never play in a big European league or was the Brazilian league strong back then?

Santos were a bit like the Harlem Globetrotters. They travelled the world playing exhibitions and he was the big selling point so he would have been on a fortune.
I don't believe there was a lot of inter-continental transfers back then, although Di Stefano was an Argentinian at Real Madrid.
The first South Americans seemed to head for Spain, Italy and Portugal, after the '78 World Cup. Spurs got Ardiles and Villa and Brum got Argentinas left back. Sheff. Utd got a good midfielder but can't grasp his name, Sabadella or summat like?

cricketfieldclarets · Post by **cricketfieldclarets** » Fri Oct 20, 2017 1:12 am

South West Claret. wrote:Define modern please?

I did in the op

Sleeping Cat · Post by **Sleeping Cat** » Fri Oct 20, 2017 10:11 am

As good a record as Defoe has, he isn;t up there with the names mentioned in this thread. I wouldn't even have him in the top 5 english strikers in the last 25 years. May scrape into top 10, just.

Surprised no one hasn't mentioned Sheringham. I would class him a much better striker than Defoe.

Couple of other names not mentioned.

Roberto Baggio
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0RbgPScElG0" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Marcelo Salas
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O-drj-ZVfS0" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Look at their touch for both goals. incredible.

cricketfieldclarets · Post by **cricketfieldclarets** » Fri Oct 20, 2017 10:17 am

Sleeping Cat wrote:As good a record as Defoe has, he isn;t up there with the names mentioned in this thread. I wouldn't even have him in the top 5 english strikers in the last 25 years. May scrape into top 10, just.

Surprised no one hasn't mentioned Sheringham. I would class him a much better striker than Defoe.

Couple of other names not mentioned.

Roberto Baggio
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0RbgPScElG0" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Marcelo Salas
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O-drj-ZVfS0" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Look at their touch for both goals. incredible.

I mentioned Baggio and Salas. Injuries ruined salas. He was great. Baggio was far better than i even realised at the time. Probably that penalty.

Sleeping Cat · Post by **Sleeping Cat** » Fri Oct 20, 2017 10:46 am

cricketfieldclarets wrote:I mentioned Baggio and Salas. Injuries ruined salas. He was great. Baggio was far better than i even realised at the time. Probably that penalty.

My apologies Cricketfieldclarets, so you did.

Enrico Chiesa? Could really strike a ball, though perhaps not on the same level as Baggio & Batistuta et al.

IanMcL · Post by **IanMcL** » Fri Oct 20, 2017 4:29 pm

Sidney1st wrote:Not even close to the level of Aguero, or even Kane in regards to goals scored games played ratio.

Assuming Kane stays at Spurs he will pass Defoe quick enough in regards to league goals.

Defoe was just a run of the mill striker in regards to league goals, no better or worse than Giroud and plenty of gooners don't rate him.

Let's just agree to disagree! I am content, having watched him close up, he was a cut above the rest at striking.

Bin Ont Turf · Post by **Bin Ont Turf** » Fri Oct 20, 2017 4:57 pm

Not really a striker but I did used to like watching Zola.

The Italian Robbie Blake

JohnMac · Post by **JohnMac** » Fri Oct 20, 2017 5:20 pm

In the current Premier League, Aguero has to be the one but closely followed by Harry Kane. Not read through the whole thread but has Zlatan Ibrahimovic been mentioned?

Most of the International abroad players have been mentioned already and my particular favourites would be amongst them.

Hazzyclaret1955 · Post by **Hazzyclaret1955** » Fri Oct 20, 2017 6:04 pm

Surprised Robbie Fowler has not had a mention, up with Shearer as the best striker in the Prem.

kaptin1 · Post by **kaptin1** » Fri Oct 20, 2017 8:21 pm

Surprised no mention of Michael Owen who was excellent before his injuries

cricketfieldclarets · Post by **cricketfieldclarets** » Sat Oct 21, 2017 1:49 am

Sleeping Cat wrote:My apologies Cricketfieldclarets, so you did.

Enrico Chiesa? Could really strike a ball, though perhaps not on the same level as Baggio & Batistuta et al.

Chiesa was gret. His lads playing in serie a now. 19 year old. Scary.

cricketfieldclarets · Post by **cricketfieldclarets** » Sat Oct 21, 2017 1:50 am

kaptin1 wrote:Surprised no mention of Michael Owen who was excellent before his injuries

Probably one of my favourite of all. Real shame how his career ended.

Owen and Rooney would have been amazing together.

Shore claret · Post by **Shore claret** » Sat Oct 21, 2017 7:11 am

I think your all missing a trick there's a guy on the radio and if you listen to him he was the best ever, Steve claridge is his name

BennyD · Post by **BennyD** » Sat Oct 21, 2017 12:53 pm

As much as I dislike the preening prick, Ronaldo Mk2. I reckon he would bear comparison with anyone stats wise.