If he goes?

claretspice · Post by **claretspice** » Wed Oct 18, 2017 9:22 pm

Sidney1st wrote:Moyes is a busted flush and the club would know that.
Allardyce is happy in retirement until a really big offer rocks up.

I suspect the club would something out, they've done reasonably well over the last few appointments.

Fan perception is an interesting thing.

Moyes' win % at Everton was over 40%, which is always regarded as impressive. His win % at Man United was over 50%, which isn't bad and was actually almost identical to that of Louis Van Gaal immediately afterwards. It took Mourinho over another year to get a meaningful improvement. And his record at Sociedad gives him uncannily similar figures to those of Tony Pulis at WBA, albeit over a shorter period.

And then of course he had a disastrous season at a Sunderland set up which had been flirting with relegation for about 5 years.

He wouldn't be my first choice, but its saying something that we're regarding someone with that sort of record and who is still only 54 as a busted flush.

taio · Post by **taio** » Wed Oct 18, 2017 9:25 pm

Difficuly with Michael O'Neill, even though he's done remarkably well with NI, is he has no experience in the English league or of club management at a decent level. If either or both O'Neill's get through WC play-offs that'd presumably rule them out. And even then has Martin O'Neill still got an appetite to return to club management?

Socrates · Post by **Socrates** » Wed Oct 18, 2017 9:26 pm

KRBFC wrote:Jorge Jesus, Gian Piero Gasperini, Leonardo, Nagelsman.

Nagelsman!!!!

That’s hilarious.

Yeah .... he’s defo going to turn down the Bayern job this summer which is his for the taking to come to the Turf.

Socrates · Post by **Socrates** » Wed Oct 18, 2017 9:26 pm

tim_noone wrote:#me too.

Stop being a spectacular dick about sexual assault.

taio · Post by **taio** » Wed Oct 18, 2017 9:28 pm

In my view Moyes should certainly be on a shortlist if there turns out to be a need for one.

Vegas Claret · Post by **Vegas Claret** » Wed Oct 18, 2017 9:32 pm

KRBFC

Wile E Coyote · Post by **Wile E Coyote** » Wed Oct 18, 2017 9:33 pm

Dyche has magical powers, he must have to shape the Burnley players into promotion winners.
Five years is a long time, he had plan for the team to play a certain way to capitalise on their abilities and it worked, and continues to work.

We may be forced into one of the above if the worst comes worst, but I don't have faith in any of them.
Look how many just appear here and there season in, season out. O,Neil for example, pundit, bit of club management, pundit, pundit, next it's International duties, there's no staying power. Coleman just had a nice few days with wales last year, thats it !! flooded his flat in spain and left sociadad having done nowt.
Neville no thanks.
Duff is just referred to because of his long service, nothing remotely relevant for managing a top flight premier league club.
same applies to a host of foreign coaches that are always linked with any vacancy . Usually clueless ineffective.
I've give it some thought, but there isn't anyone who can do it. so we may as well close down the club and all go home.
Leeds gave the job to that fat bloke for a bit, can you imagine how desperate they must have been?
Endless conveyor belt of nobodies taking a once massive club down the toilet.

RingoMcCartney · Post by **RingoMcCartney** » Wed Oct 18, 2017 9:36 pm

Keep it simple.

Big Sam Allerdyce.

Jeffbfc · Post by **Jeffbfc** » Wed Oct 18, 2017 9:36 pm

Brenda Rogers.
Can't take Celtic any further. Being stuffed tonight.
Will also say wouldn't want him anywhere near.
Not sure who would be a good replacement.
Hopefully not needed until the end of the season at least.

claretspice · Post by **claretspice** » Wed Oct 18, 2017 9:41 pm

taio wrote:Difficuly with Michael O'Neill, even though he's done remarkably well with NI, is he has no experience in the English league or of club management at a decent level. If either or both O'Neill's get through WC play-offs that'd presumably rule them out. And even then has Martin O'Neill still got an appetite to return to club management?

Fair observation.

cricketfieldclarets · Post by **cricketfieldclarets** » Wed Oct 18, 2017 9:59 pm

A bit left field but probably very unrealistic would be AVB. Is probably on about £38m a week in China though.

Duff (not now but when he has proved himself) would be one who would certainly worth looking at. He has been at the cluba very long time. Has been a critical part of the success. Has captained the club. Has played alongside some very good players. And most of all understands the constraints our managers work under and will have learnt a lot from such different managers as Cotterill, Coyle, Howe and Dyche (and even Laws) - good and bad!!!

Rick_Muller · Post by **Rick_Muller** » Wed Oct 18, 2017 10:06 pm

I’m sure Duff is part of the bigger plan somewhere down the line, but I fear now would be too soon.

I have no issues with Moyes to be fair. He was superb at Everton and out performed his successor at Utd, while Sunderland tied his hands behind his back and expected him to juggle - was set up to fail there.

PutTheWheelieBinsOut · Post by **PutTheWheelieBinsOut** » Wed Oct 18, 2017 10:10 pm

cricketfieldclarets wrote: I expect Duff is a perfect Burnley manager in the making.

What do you base that on exactly??

Duff has been a coach 5 minutes and people are saying he should be considered to be a Premier League manager, give me a break seriously. If that's the ambition we might as well look at who's recently been sacked after leading a team to the bottom of the championship club and appoint them.

As for David Moyes he talked Sunderland into a relegation battle last season even before the season started, no thanks, we don't need that kind of positivity.

cricketfieldclarets · Post by **cricketfieldclarets** » Wed Oct 18, 2017 10:11 pm

I agree on Duff. Too early yet. Another ex claret doing a good job is Graham Alexander. Although the last Ex Burnley Player / Scunny manager didnt go down too well!

Moyes wouldnt be a bad shout on paper. But what would worry me with him is his negativity and moodiness. Completely different to Dyche and would suck the life out of most fans! Sunderland were relegated the minute he come in and moaned about how little opportunity and money he had before a game had been played. Contrast that with Dyche or Allerdyce.

TonbridgeClaret · Post by **TonbridgeClaret** » Wed Oct 18, 2017 10:16 pm

Graeme Alexander would be my choice. Strong defender like Dyche and has done well in his short management career.

BeijingClaret · Post by **BeijingClaret** » Wed Oct 18, 2017 10:17 pm

Diesel wrote:If he did go and then came back for Heaton, Mee, Tarkowski, Defour and Vokes. What would people think of him?

I'd want to kill the ginger, gravel voiced turd.

Then he elbows your face in, good luck with that one

jdrobbo · Post by **jdrobbo** » Wed Oct 18, 2017 10:20 pm

I feel dirty for even thinking of someone else...

Jokanović
Rowett
Wilder

thatdberight · Post by **thatdberight** » Wed Oct 18, 2017 10:27 pm

Hard to think one of the usual roster of foreign coaches is going to bring the long-term stability we'd want. Of the lower league coaches who haven't had a chance yet in the PL, there's Rösler and that's about it.

criminalclaret · Post by **criminalclaret** » Wed Oct 18, 2017 10:29 pm

Martin O Neil and Roy Keane have both just signed new deals about 10 days ago with the FAI til 2020.

They wont be going anywhere soon. And certainly not to Turf Moor (apart from the watch the half the Irish team play week in week out).

Hypothetically, and its literally just that, I'd take Allardyce. He'd keep you up no bother. Apart from that, absolutely none of the names mentioned do anything for me.

Might as well have chucked Stan Ternant in there while we are laughing about it.

rufus lumley · Post by **rufus lumley** » Wed Oct 18, 2017 10:49 pm

Paul Hurst

ŽižkovClaret · Post by **ŽižkovClaret** » Wed Oct 18, 2017 10:49 pm

Martin Ling or Chris Wilder for me

taio · Post by **taio** » Wed Oct 18, 2017 10:53 pm

ZizkovClaret wrote:Martin Ling or Chris Wilder for me

Martin Ling

KRBFC · Post by **KRBFC** » Wed Oct 18, 2017 10:56 pm

Socrates wrote:Nagelsman!!!!

That’s hilarious.

Yeah .... he’s defo going to turn down the Bayern job this summer which is his for the taking to come to the Turf.

Looks like King Jesus has it in the bag then....

Sporting lost narrowly to Juventus tonight and Jorge told me he wants the job. Get rid of the ex League One defender the king is coming.

ŽižkovClaret · Post by **ŽižkovClaret** » Wed Oct 18, 2017 11:02 pm

taio wrote:Martin Ling

I do like a left field suggestion

taio · Post by **taio** » Wed Oct 18, 2017 11:05 pm

ZizkovClaret wrote:I do like a left field suggestion

It was a belter

Iloveyoubrady · Post by **Iloveyoubrady** » Wed Oct 18, 2017 11:48 pm

I cannot bear the way Moyes looks as if he is in complete shock and has been crying after every loss. Also, the shocking defensive performance last year when Andre tore them to pieces could never happen at Burnley. Maybe they did set Moyes up for failure but a Dyche team wouldn't have played that badly. If you gave dyche those players he wouldn't have lost that badly to Barcelona - although the might clarets are on another level...

Paul Waine · Post by **Paul Waine** » Thu Oct 19, 2017 12:15 am

If he goes....my vote is for the re-appointment of Sean Dyche. The best manager of Burnley Football Club since Harry Potts.

Yes, it was exciting watching the success we achieved under Coyle - but it was "no fun" watching us ship goals through the half-season Coyle managed Burnley in the Premier League.

It was much more exciting watching the Clarets go 3 goals up at Stamford Bridge at the start of the season. It is much more exciting seeing the results we've achieved at Anfield, Wembley and Goodison. There are no "easy games" in the Premier League. It is great that Sean Dyche has coached Burnley to be in the Premier League in 3 seasons out of 5. I want to follow Sean Dyche adding to Burnley's achievements in the Premier League. I don't think any other manager could have brought us this success. Let's keep it going as long as possible.

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Wile E Coyote · Post by **Wile E Coyote** » Thu Oct 19, 2017 12:37 am

its possible he will go, but Leicester !! doubt it really, divisions bottom three at present whilst we are 7th.
With their brand of managerial appointments and dismissals , not to mention the owners, seems very odd that anyone would consider this a good move professionally.I understand the need to progress and see what he could be capable of elsewhere, but surely it would have to be with a better club than this lot.
Everton or West Brom , Stoke maybe, or even Arsenal , not sodding leicester , no chance.

KefkaClaret · Post by **KefkaClaret** » Thu Oct 19, 2017 1:01 am

KRBFC wrote:Jorge Jesus, Gian Piero Gasperini, Leonardo, Nagelsman.

You need to get off the mushrooms pal.

TsarBomba · Post by **TsarBomba** » Thu Oct 19, 2017 3:46 am

KRBFC wrote:Jorge Jesus, Gian Piero Gasperini, Leonardo, Nagelsman.

The same Nagelsman that is being lined up for Bayern?

And why on earth have you plumped for Gasperini? Do you even know a thing about him? Or is it because his name sounds exotic?

You can't genuinely believe the drivel you spout, can you?

Vegas Claret · Post by **Vegas Claret** » Thu Oct 19, 2017 5:42 am

he does

box_of_frogs · Post by **box_of_frogs** » Thu Oct 19, 2017 7:27 am

I’d go for Chris Waddle.

Only kidding.

brexit · Post by **brexit** » Thu Oct 19, 2017 8:21 am

chris coleman

Spijed · Post by **Spijed** » Thu Oct 19, 2017 8:24 am

brexit wrote:chris coleman

How would he do without a player like Gareth Bale in the side?

Lord Beamish · Post by **Lord Beamish** » Thu Oct 19, 2017 8:59 am

I don't think Dyche will leave for Leicester anyway, but if he did, and we were to replace him with Sam Alardyce, then the Turf would be a Tufty free zone for the length of his tenure.
I wouldn't want that corrupt b*stard and his particular brand of anti-football anywhere near my Club.

Should Dyche leave we should be looking for continuity. No massive changes in style, just the gradual evolution we are now seeing under Sean's tutelage. Also the appointment should be prepared to develop their own replacement from within. Long term success, I feel, will come as much from a cohesive management development as a team one. Let's get a conveyor belt of talent coming through the club at many levels.

Ooogeorgeorgeoghani · Post by **Ooogeorgeorgeoghani** » Thu Oct 19, 2017 9:03 am

Can't stand Sam, however he is the closest fit to a Dyche team, hopefully the club have had 1 eye on this and got some idea of who they would want, this is unsettling for us let alone the team heading out to city this weekend, I hope Dyche has told the lads ignore the outside noise the only place I am going is to Europe with the clarets next year !

lucs86 · Post by **lucs86** » Thu Oct 19, 2017 9:06 am

Allardyce the obvious choice and would be the safest pair of hands until maybe Pulis becomes available, don't think he's got that long left at WBA. Long term I reckon we're best served looking down the leagues, I'd rather have Paul Cook than David Moyes. Alexander would also be worth a look. Coleman would be a non-starter for me, also Martin O'Neill. Michael O'Neill would be worth interviewing, I'm sure someone will take a punt on him and it could work out.

moaninclaret · Post by **moaninclaret** » Thu Oct 19, 2017 9:07 am

David Wagner, Da silva good but lets keep sir sir Dyche

Blackrod · Post by **Blackrod** » Thu Oct 19, 2017 9:13 am

Moyes = negative
I would not want any manager who signs players to then say publicly they won't improve the team. Someone else would have gone into Sunlan and had some kind of impact. He didn't.

FactualFrank · Post by **FactualFrank** » Thu Oct 19, 2017 9:16 am

Wile E Coyote wrote:its possible he will go, but Leicester !! doubt it really, divisions bottom three at present whilst we are 7th.
With their brand of managerial appointments and dismissals , not to mention the owners, seems very odd that anyone would consider this a good move professionally.I understand the need to progress and see what he could be capable of elsewhere, but surely it would have to be with a better club than this lot.
Everton or West Brom , Stoke maybe, or even Arsenal , not sodding leicester , no chance.

A lot nearer to his family though and no doubt have more money to spend, with more expensive assets to sell on if he doesn't feel they fit his plans. Arsenal I can't see going in for him. They'd want European experience. West Brom and Stoke I'd put in the same group as Leicester.

I'm seeing Chris Coleman is now the current favourite though, so hope he gets it.

FactualFrank · Post by **FactualFrank** » Thu Oct 19, 2017 9:20 am

lucs86 wrote:Allardyce the obvious choice and would be the safest pair of hands until maybe Pulis becomes available, don't think he's got that long left at WBA. Long term I reckon we're best served looking down the leagues, I'd rather have Paul Cook than David Moyes. Alexander would also be worth a look. Coleman would be a non-starter for me, also Martin O'Neill. Michael O'Neill would be worth interviewing, I'm sure someone will take a punt on him and it could work out.

I'd like to think our best option of going down the leagues is now coming to an end. Last season we were bigger faves to go down and I think we've improved since then. Therefore I think we're reaching the point where we can now be going for managers with more Premier League experience. David Moyes hasn't done as bad as people make out, when you look a bit closer to the position he's found himself in. I've a good friend who's a big Sunderland fan and he was telling me Moyes just didn't have the quality to keep them up, mainly due to them having injuries to most of their best players. He never had a chance at Man U.

NottsClaret · Post by **NottsClaret** » Thu Oct 19, 2017 9:22 am

Obviously all just opinion, but Coleman or Moyes would be awful. For continuity, Rowett would probably be the closest to Dyche. Regardless of being an ex-Claret, Alexander has done a good job at lower levels, similar ethos, but possibly the same issue Laws had, i.e. getting respect off Prem players. I just don't like Allardyce and all the baggage he brings.

But when you start looking for someone with a record anything like as good as Dyche's in recent years you realise what a job he's done. I'm sure there's someone who'll fit us out there though. As long as we don't panic again it doesn't have to be the disaster it was last time.

OssyClaret · Post by **OssyClaret** » Thu Oct 19, 2017 9:23 am

The romantic in me would love it if we could start off a spell of promote-from-within culture and our next 4 managers in the next 20 years of Premier League stability were; Duff, Marney, Heaton and Mee!!

Realistically though if Dyche goes, it will be the Coyle situation all over again and his entire backroom staff will go with him. So we need an experienced head with a well established team around him. So Allardyce would be my shout.

It'd be nice if we did a Southampton and found the next Pochettino or Koeman (!) though.

elwaclaret · Post by **elwaclaret** » Thu Oct 19, 2017 9:39 am

Why would SD come out and say there is nothing in it.... that has never been his modus operandi to now. Throughout his time at Burnley he has rarely commented on anything that was not signed sealed and delivered. So even if he had already agreed to go for interview, it is very unlikely any news would come out of the Turf.... its nearly always the other club that breaks the news about what our club is doing behind the scene's. All we can do is wait and hope there is nothing in it. I'm sure our board no exactly what is going on and are planning according to the latest information... even if there is none to react to.

taio · Post by **taio** » Thu Oct 19, 2017 9:40 am

It seems clear Allardyce wouldn't be an option. He's ruled himself out of the Leicester job because he's not ready to return to club management, so I don't see how it would be different for us, and is being linked strongly linked with the USA job.

Goobs · Post by **Goobs** » Thu Oct 19, 2017 9:44 am

Would definitely want Chris Wilder would be my number one choice.

Would also be happy with Rodgers, Jokanovic, Rowett or Michael O'Neill

Right_winger · Post by **Right_winger** » Thu Oct 19, 2017 9:51 am

Come on isn't it obvious... we should appoint ABC with the ability to play tarkowski as a defensive midfielder.

On a serious note someone like Derek McInnes has done a very underrated job at Aberdeen.

NottsClaret · Post by **NottsClaret** » Thu Oct 19, 2017 9:53 am

Wilder has an amazing recent record, and I know football is a cynical business, but I'd be shocked if he left Sheff Utd for anyone while he's a very decent chance of taking them back to the Prem, being a lifelong Blade himself.

lucs86 · Post by **lucs86** » Thu Oct 19, 2017 9:57 am

FactualFrank wrote:I'd like to think our best option of going down the leagues is now coming to an end. Last season we were bigger faves to go down and I think we've improved since then. Therefore I think we're reaching the point where we can now be going for managers with more Premier League experience. David Moyes hasn't done as bad as people make out, when you look a bit closer to the position he's found himself in. I've a good friend who's a big Sunderland fan and he was telling me Moyes just didn't have the quality to keep them up, mainly due to them having injuries to most of their best players. He never had a chance at Man U.

I don't see it that way, I don't think staying up last season changes the character of the club that much. We're still not a big club, we're still not paying wages or transfer fees that are over the odds for the position we're in. The people we bring in, players or managers, in my opinion, should be seeing us as a step up, somewhere they need to show effort and commitment to prove themselves and earn the chance of a further step up. Generally speaking we've not got the prestige for managers or players with bigger reputations, and keeping us where we are is a harder job than people who feel they've not a lot to prove would stomach. Shorter term an Allardyce or Pulis might be tempted but looking and planning longer term I reckon it makes more sense to be offering the right people (staff and players) a step up, rather than across or down.

dsr · Post by **dsr** » Thu Oct 19, 2017 10:04 am

Whenever I see Coleman's name mentioned, I think someone's about to poach Accy Stanley's manager. How would he do in the Premier?