Everton

Blackrod · Post by **Blackrod** » Thu Oct 19, 2017 8:31 pm

Some has just made their natives restless. I'd be more concerned about Everton than Leicester coming after Dyche.

Saxoman · Post by **Saxoman** » Thu Oct 19, 2017 8:34 pm

Maybe. Think Everton fans would moan about dyche though.

Blackrod · Post by **Blackrod** » Thu Oct 19, 2017 8:39 pm

I think they would moan about it but the owner might want stability and it's the kind of club that could just tempt him. I'm not convinced a Leicester or Stoke type club will.

thatdberight · Post by **thatdberight** » Thu Oct 19, 2017 8:40 pm

Dyche will of course want to show he's got more strings to his bow at some stage. And he'll need to. At any other club, without the backdrop of two promotions, the style of football we play would quickly be unacceptable. It's obvious to say but the move is a huge risk for him.

conyoviejo · Post by **conyoviejo** » Thu Oct 19, 2017 8:41 pm

Saxoman wrote:Maybe. Think Everton fans would moan about dyche though.

Like some on here do..

Quickenthetempo · Post by **Quickenthetempo** » Thu Oct 19, 2017 8:42 pm

All the Everton fans in their pub after the game were raving about Dyche. I did try telling them they wouldn't like him as manager.

RocketLawnChair · Post by **RocketLawnChair** » Thu Oct 19, 2017 8:46 pm

If Leicester ask Sean Dyche to be their manager he will think about it and may or may not go.

If Everton ask Sean Dyche to be their manager it will be thanks for everything Sean good luck on Merseyside.

taio · Post by **taio** » Thu Oct 19, 2017 8:48 pm

RocketLawnChair wrote:If Leicester ask Sean Dyche to be their manager he will think about it and may or may not go.

If Everton ask Sean Dyche to be their manager it will be thanks for everything Sean good luck on Merseyside.

It's obviously all guesswork, but this to me seems like a very reasonable summary.

tim_noone · Post by **tim_noone** » Thu Oct 19, 2017 9:08 pm

He will go to a team competing in Europe. Everton won't be in that bracket after their poor performances this time around.

bartons baggage · Post by **bartons baggage** » Thu Oct 19, 2017 9:20 pm

tim_noone wrote:He will go to a team competing in Europe. Everton won't be in that bracket after their poor performances this time around.

So he's staying put then.

tim_noone · Post by **tim_noone** » Thu Oct 19, 2017 9:21 pm

Yes.....

Spijed · Post by **Spijed** » Thu Oct 19, 2017 9:24 pm

RocketLawnChair wrote:If Leicester ask Sean Dyche to be their manager he will think about it and may or may not go.

If Everton ask Sean Dyche to be their manager it will be thanks for everything Sean good luck on Merseyside.

But if Everton sack Koeman they'll just become the latest Hire em' fire em' club. How long has he actually been in charge?

Not that long, just over a season.

piston broke · Post by **piston broke** » Thu Oct 19, 2017 9:33 pm

I feel for Koeman. Their side was far too old so he shifted them out. He brought in young talent in Pickford and Keane plus some class in Siggurddson and an ageing Rooney, all down the spine of the side, but not replacing Lukaku was criminal and Colemans injury has left him with too many kids starting.
Good manager but a major rebuilding job if only to their confidence.

RocketLawnChair · Post by **RocketLawnChair** » Thu Oct 19, 2017 9:35 pm

I don't get this well the last manager only got 12months. Sean Dyche will back himself to do any job no matter how big and no matter what's gone on previously. That's why he is so successful

Saxoman · Post by **Saxoman** » Thu Oct 19, 2017 9:46 pm

Keane og

KefkaClaret · Post by **KefkaClaret** » Thu Oct 19, 2017 9:49 pm

Ashley Williams is an appalling defender

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Thu Oct 19, 2017 9:50 pm

This brain donor is about to lose his custody rights. Who the **** throws a punch at a football player while holding a child?

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scouseclaret · Post by **scouseclaret** » Thu Oct 19, 2017 9:57 pm

Dyche would take the Everton job in a heartbeat. It’s by far the most logical stepping stone between where we are and the top six.

Eventually Evertonians will start moaning about the style of play but at the moment they just want change. In any case I reckon SD would be happy to play a more expansive style of football given sufficient resources.

Saxoman · Post by **Saxoman** » Thu Oct 19, 2017 10:02 pm

Ronald koeman or Sean Dyche.. Going off their playing careers, its a laughable comparison. I'll never understand what it is that makes a good manager.

CFS · Post by **CFS** » Thu Oct 19, 2017 10:03 pm

Williams the thug alongside keane who looks awful.

evensteadiereddie · Post by **evensteadiereddie** » Thu Oct 19, 2017 10:04 pm

He also spoke of Keano being "torn apart" tonight, so bad was his performance. He was made to look pretty ordinary, to be fair.

evensteadiereddie · Post by **evensteadiereddie** » Thu Oct 19, 2017 10:08 pm

Saxoman wrote:Ronald koeman or Sean Dyche.. Going off their playing careers, its a laughable comparison. I'll never understand what it is that makes a good manager.

Character and the ability to plan meticulously and to get others to buy into that planning.
I honestly also think a career as a defender gives a manager more perspective of how the game's played.

Colburn_Claret · Post by **Colburn_Claret** » Thu Oct 19, 2017 10:10 pm

SD will go eventually, so he should, he deserves a chance at a 'bigger' club.
I think the main reason why we needn't worry in the short term is foreign owners. They don't understand football and think that a famous name guarantees success.
Until Sean has won something with Burnley, or a British owned club comes in for him we are safe.

Saxoman · Post by **Saxoman** » Thu Oct 19, 2017 10:12 pm

Why are talksport playing canned laughter over commentary of Lyons goal?

john'sroseyspecs · Post by **john'sroseyspecs** » Thu Oct 19, 2017 10:32 pm

Saxoman wrote:Ronald koeman or Sean Dyche.. Going off their playing careers, its a laughable comparison. I'll never understand what it is that makes a good manager.

Might be pushing the comparison a bit, but what level did Ferguson, Wenger or Paisley acheive as a player?

Saxoman · Post by **Saxoman** » Thu Oct 19, 2017 10:33 pm

Everton fans want anchelotti, top of the list and Dyche isn't even on their list as a choice.

Saxoman · Post by **Saxoman** » Thu Oct 19, 2017 10:33 pm

john'sroseyspecs wrote:Might be pushing the comparison a bit, but what level did Ferguson, Wenger or Paisley acheive as a player?

Exactly.

Lancasterclaret · Post by **Lancasterclaret** » Thu Oct 19, 2017 10:34 pm

He's now getting named first when there is even a whiff of a premier league job available.

I'll be impressed if we keep hold off him till the end of the season to be honest.

Saxoman · Post by **Saxoman** » Thu Oct 19, 2017 10:38 pm

Lancasterclaret wrote:He's now getting named first when there is even a whiff of a premier league job available.

I'll be impressed if we keep hold off him till the end of the season to be honest.

Its a bit sinister. Rovers always had the same with our managers that did well. Nobody likes little Lancashire clubs doing well for too long. Namely the press.

scouseclaret · Post by **scouseclaret** » Thu Oct 19, 2017 10:44 pm

Saxoman wrote:Its a bit sinister. Rovers always had the same with our managers that did well. Nobody likes little Lancashire clubs doing well for too long. Namely the press.

The difference is we’re not deluded though. We know SD will eventually move to a bigger club. You actually believed that you WERE a big club!

Rick_Muller · Post by **Rick_Muller** » Thu Oct 19, 2017 11:10 pm

I don’t understand the hype about Everton. Can someone explain why he would want to go there?

happyclaret17 · Post by **happyclaret17** » Thu Oct 19, 2017 11:12 pm

because they need him to get Keane playing like a 30 million pound centre back should play.

taio · Post by **taio** » Thu Oct 19, 2017 11:13 pm

Rick_Muller wrote:I don’t understand the hype about Everton. Can someone explain why he would want to go there?

Much bigger club.

ElectroClaret · Post by **ElectroClaret** » Thu Oct 19, 2017 11:17 pm

Rick_Muller wrote:I don’t understand the hype about Everton. Can someone explain why he would want to go there?

Because it would be a challenge of his skills to turn this big club around
back to its former glory.

Any manager in his position would relish it.

Rick_Muller · Post by **Rick_Muller** » Thu Oct 19, 2017 11:17 pm

taio wrote:Much bigger club.

Based on what exactly...? Financially Leicester are bigger, and they have a newer stadium, and they’ve won the league more recently...

Realistically, only the top 5 or 6 are actually “bigger” in modern times - history means bugger all, and with the TV deals financially most clubs are on a relatively level field on that.

taio · Post by **taio** » Thu Oct 19, 2017 11:23 pm

Rick_Muller wrote:Based on what exactly...? Financially Leicester are bigger, and they have a newer stadium, and they’ve won the league more recently...

Realistically, only the top 5 or 6 are actually “bigger” in modern times - history means bugger all, and with the TV deals financially most clubs are on a relatively level field on that.

Depends on how you define bigger, but I think you're kidding yourself if you don't think Everton are. As for Leicester, I don't think they're as big as Everton and, for example, the age of their stadium counts for nothing in my eyes. I didn't regard Blackburn as a bigger club than Everton when they won the league, but if you did fair enough. As I say depends on what bigger means to you.

ElectroClaret · Post by **ElectroClaret** » Thu Oct 19, 2017 11:28 pm

Leicester have reached their high water mark with their PL win.
Any incoming boss would be expected to aspire to that by the owners.

Poisoned chalice.

Rick_Muller · Post by **Rick_Muller** » Thu Oct 19, 2017 11:35 pm

taio wrote:Depends on how you define bigger, but I think you're kidding yourself if you don't think Everton are. As for Leicester, I don't think they're as big as Everton and, for example, the age of their stadium counts for nothing in my eyes. I didn't regard Blackburn as a bigger club than Everton when they won the league, but if you did fair enough. As I say depends on what bigger means to you.

That’s really the point I’m trying to make. To me, in the current world of modern Premier League football, there is nothing to say that we are a “small” club and Everton are a “bigger” club. Manchester Utd are clearly a bigger club, as are Man City. I would also include Chelsea and Arsenal as bigger clubs, not forgetting Spurs and to an extent Liverpool. But to me, Everton are no longer really regarded in the same context as those I listed, potentially they could be, as could we in so many years time, but not right now.

taio · Post by **taio** » Thu Oct 19, 2017 11:48 pm

Rick_Muller wrote:That’s really the point I’m trying to make. To me, in the current world of modern Premier League football, there is nothing to say that we are a “small” club and Everton are a “bigger” club. Manchester Utd are clearly a bigger club, as are Man City. I would also include Chelsea and Arsenal as bigger clubs, not forgetting Spurs and to an extent Liverpool. But to me, Everton are no longer really regarded in the same context as those I listed, potentially they could be, as could we in so many years time, but not right now.

No, they obviously aren't bigger than those clubs but you were comparing Everton to Burnley and Leicester. There have been articles over the years - some recent - that have used different measures to determine size of clubs. I can say with confidence that most or probably all have never concluded that Everton isn't a bigger club than Burnley or Leicester

ClaretTony · Post by **ClaretTony** » Thu Oct 19, 2017 11:57 pm

Rick_Muller wrote:Based on what exactly...? Financially Leicester are bigger, and they have a newer stadium, and they’ve won the league more recently...

They might have won the league more recently - was Everton's last league title in 1987? bu they are not as big as Everton in any way, and that includes financially now with the new owners at Everton.

Sidney1st · Post by **Sidney1st** » Fri Oct 20, 2017 12:06 am

Everton - I don't even know when the last time Everton were outside of the top flight.
Nor can I remember them nearly going bust, or even flirting with admin.

Their overall history is far far better than Leicester's too.

If you asked people which club they were more aware of before that recent title win they'd say Everton probably 90% of the time.
It's still probably a higher percentage even after that title win.
It's not even a real contest when comparing the two clubs.

You'd be better off comparing Leicester with someone else.

Wile E Coyote · Post by **Wile E Coyote** » Fri Oct 20, 2017 12:21 am

about 140 years worth of football, and everton have had just 4 seasons outside the top flight, thesedays maintaining premier league status is everything. Despite numerous managerial changes over the decades, everton have managed to remain in the highest division. Quite an achievement.
Leicester are nothing at all by comparison. Everton might not be challenging for the title or winning cups in the domestic or european comps, but nevertheless they can be classed as A very big club.

Woodleyclaret · Post by **Woodleyclaret** » Fri Oct 20, 2017 6:52 am

Leicester did some extremely creative accounting Harry Rednaps dog would have been envious of, writing off millions of debt just a few years ago.
By rights they should have joined Pompey in Div2 ,for breaching the financia regulations.

Jamesy · Post by **Jamesy** » Fri Oct 20, 2017 7:35 am

KefkaClaret wrote:Ashley Williams is an appalling defender

Appalling? He isn't that good.

Rick_Muller · Post by **Rick_Muller** » Fri Oct 20, 2017 8:23 am

OK - I feel that I am being told off for questioning the status of Everton. All I am trying to say is that 140 years of history; hardly ever being out of the top flight; even stadia size are not as relevant in modern Premier League football i.e. the past few years where TV money has levelled the playing field to a large extent financially. I agree that Everton were a big club, but I am merely trying to highlight that the past history really means nothing moving forward. I would even go to argue that Burnley could well be a "big" club in 20 years time due to the legacy left by the current manager and board, then again I also understand that Burnley may also be struggling to stay in the redesigned football league (when the TV money bubble bursts!) at the lower end of the scale. Anyone would think I have offended some blue noses with what I said.

My point is that simply saying Everton is a bigger club than Burnley or Leicester has many factors and parameters that in the modern game dont actually count for much.

Some people align bigger with being better and that simply isn't the case is it - as we all know Burnley are better than any other football club on the planet...

taio · Post by **taio** » Fri Oct 20, 2017 8:29 am

Rick_Muller wrote:OK - I feel that I am being told off for questioning the status of Everton. All I am trying to say is that 140 years of history; hardly ever being out of the top flight; even stadia size are not as relevant in modern Premier League football i.e. the past few years where TV money has levelled the playing field to a large extent financially. I agree that Everton were a big club, but I am merely trying to highlight that the past history really means nothing moving forward. I would even go to argue that Burnley could well be a "big" club in 20 years time due to the legacy left by the current manager and board, then again I also understand that Burnley may also be struggling to stay in the redesigned football league (when the TV money bubble bursts!) at the lower end of the scale. Anyone would think I have offended some blue noses with what I said.

My point is that simply saying Everton is a bigger club than Burnley or Leicester has many factors and parameters that in the modern game dont actually count for much.

Some people align bigger with being better and that simply isn't the case is it - as we all know Burnley are better than any other football club on the planet...

Nobody is offended or has told you off. People are just telling you because you asked. It's as clear as day that it is a bigger club than Leicester and, if I'm being honest, I find any suggestion that they aren't much bigger than us totally baffling.

Chobulous · Post by **Chobulous** » Fri Oct 20, 2017 8:35 am

Bigger in what way? Are we talking about fanbase, turnover - what? What exactly is it the makes one club bigger than another. Maybe if that was defined we could find a meaningful measure of the size of a club. At the moment it just seems to be finger in the air stuff, one person's subjective assessment against another person's.

taio · Post by **taio** » Fri Oct 20, 2017 8:38 am

Chobulous wrote:Bigger in what way? Are we talking about fanbase, turnover - what? What exactly is it the makes one club bigger than another. Maybe if that was defined we could find a meaningful measure of the size of a club. At the moment it just seems to be finger in the air stuff, one person's subjective assessment against another person's.

As already said there are different measures used. Whichever sensible ones are chosen will always bring you back to Everton being a bigger club. Look it up if you want.

FulledgeClaret · Post by **FulledgeClaret** » Fri Oct 20, 2017 8:39 am

Saxoman wrote:Ronald koeman or Sean Dyche.. Going off their playing careers, its a laughable comparison. I'll never understand what it is that makes a good manager.

it is a strange one the best managers are usually at best average players, there are exceptions to the rule but when you think of the best managers not many of them had glittering careers as players.

Rick_Muller · Post by **Rick_Muller** » Fri Oct 20, 2017 8:47 am

I stand corrected. This article describes Everton as the 4th biggest club, above Man City, Newcastle; Sunderland; Spurs etc

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I'm just going to sit and wait for Koeman to be potted and for Everton to go in for Pep, as Everton are a bigger club...

Of course, thats nonsense because it is all subjective, I am merely asking on what basis Everton are a bigger club for the main reason that most people use bigger to be synonymous with better, for which I dont believe is the case with Everton - so yes I agree they are bigger in many subjective arguments, but better, nah not for me.