Shooting in The West end of Oswaldtwistle

ClaretAndJew · Post by **ClaretAndJew** » Thu Oct 26, 2017 12:15 am

A 32 year old man has died following a shooting in Accrington. A 14 year old boy has been arrested.

I grieve for this world at times.

claretblue · Post by **claretblue** » Thu Oct 26, 2017 12:30 am

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Bin Ont Turf · Post by **Bin Ont Turf** » Thu Oct 26, 2017 12:53 am

ClaretAndJew wrote:Who cares.

Me.

ClaretAndJew · Post by **ClaretAndJew** » Thu Oct 26, 2017 12:54 am

Why?

What if it isn't? What if it is?

starting_11 · Post by **starting_11** » Thu Oct 26, 2017 1:31 am

ClaretAndJew wrote:A 32 year old man has died following a shooting in Accrington. A 14 year old boy has been arrested.

I grieve for this world at times.

**** happens. 7bn people... Get over it!

bfccrazy · Post by **bfccrazy** » Thu Oct 26, 2017 1:35 am

starting_11 wrote:**** happens. 7bn people... Get over it!

Not often you get a shooting so close to Burnley though ....

Personally I'm surprised it's taken this long with the amount of stories I've heard of people having them.

CharlieinNewMexico · Post by **CharlieinNewMexico** » Thu Oct 26, 2017 7:19 am

bfccrazy wrote:Not often you get a shooting so close to Burnley though ....

Personally I'm surprised it's taken this long with the amount of stories I've heard of people having them.

******* hell,you should try being 30 miles from the Mexican border. Or even worse, the Texan one...

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Thu Oct 26, 2017 7:44 am

Chobulous wrote:As a matter of interest why would that be your first thought about this tragedy?

You know why.

MACCA · Post by **MACCA** » Thu Oct 26, 2017 7:47 am

I opened this with a glimmer of hope, only to then realise the person I was keeping everything crossed for turned 33 a few weeks ago

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Thu Oct 26, 2017 7:51 am

MACCA wrote:I opened this with a glimmer of hope, only to then realise the person I was keeping everything crossed for turned 33 a few weeks ago

JohnMcGreal · Post by **JohnMcGreal** » Thu Oct 26, 2017 7:59 am

starting_11 wrote:**** happens. 7bn people... Get over it!

What a bizarre comment.

Sidney1st · Post by **Sidney1st** » Thu Oct 26, 2017 8:06 am

It isn't a surprise someone has been shot, I think your concern is more the locality of it and the age of the shooter...

I remember in the last 10yrs or so a gang from Manchester was locked up and gun-related crime dropped by over 50%, possibly as high as 75%.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/manc ... 537286.stm" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Nottingham was once known as the gun capital of the UK.

Morons who think they're tough, lead a life of crime and it progresses from there.
Not enough is done to stop it, but some people like to live that sort of life.

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Thu Oct 26, 2017 8:07 am

JohnMcGreal wrote:What a bizarre comment.

I wonder if he thought that on May 23rd.

piston broke · Post by **piston broke** » Thu Oct 26, 2017 8:36 am

Bin Ont Turf wrote:Descendants from the Indian sub continent?

A ? doesn't save you from being a racist pr1ck.

Quickenthetempo · Post by **Quickenthetempo** » Thu Oct 26, 2017 8:37 am

Going off the Facebook comments it looks like the 14yr boy has gone round to the guys house to sort out another lad he has a feud with at school and the 32 yr old dad has got in the way, protecting his son.

Rest in peace

Blackrod · Post by **Blackrod** » Thu Oct 26, 2017 8:53 am

How the hell has someone of that age got hold of a weapon. Old enough to kill old enough to be named and shamed. How many lives will have been ruined because of this. No doubt there will be lots of therapy for the offender, an identity change and a bright future. As for the victim's family .... Very saddening.

NottsClaret · Post by **NottsClaret** » Thu Oct 26, 2017 8:57 am

There was another shooting in Ossy earlier this year, and a couple in Accy as said above.

All 'isolated' incidents apparently. Seems a lot though for a smallish town, although it was never the most salubrious place growing up there.

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Thu Oct 26, 2017 8:57 am

Blackrod wrote:Old enough to kill old enough to be named and shamed.

This is dumb. If he was 4 years old would you be saying the same?

RocketLawnChair · Post by **RocketLawnChair** » Thu Oct 26, 2017 9:01 am

Imploding Turtle wrote:This is dumb. If he was 4 years old would you be saying the same?

I wouldn't expect a 4 year old to know the devastation that can be caused by a gun. Would you ?

A 14 year old knows how dangerous a gun can be.

UpTheBeehole · Post by **UpTheBeehole** » Thu Oct 26, 2017 9:05 am

About time Bin Ont Turf got banned. What a ****.

Blackrod · Post by **Blackrod** » Thu Oct 26, 2017 9:05 am

Exactly. Clearly more needs to be known about the case and offender 's background.

UpTheBeehole · Post by **UpTheBeehole** » Thu Oct 26, 2017 9:06 am

A whole host of the usual suspects desperate for these to be asian.

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Thu Oct 26, 2017 9:07 am

RocketLawnChair wrote:I wouldn't expect a 4 year old to know the devastation that can be caused by a gun. Would you ?

A 14 year old knows how dangerous a gun can be.

Nor would I, but then i'm not stupid enough to hold the opinion "old enough to kill old enough to be named and shamed".

UpTheBeehole · Post by **UpTheBeehole** » Thu Oct 26, 2017 9:12 am

Bin Ont Turf wrote:It's a question you white handkerchief waving sandal wearer.

Quite strange that Bin Ont Turf and Blackrod have used the exact same insult recently.

Do you forget which username you're logging in as sometimes Nelstan?

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Sidney1st · Post by **Sidney1st** » Thu Oct 26, 2017 9:13 am

Blackrod wrote:How the hell has someone of that age got hold of a weapon. Old enough to kill old enough to be named and shamed. How many lives will have been ruined because of this. No doubt there will be lots of therapy for the offender, an identity change and a bright future. As for the victim's family .... Very saddening.

It's not that hard to get a gun if you can find the right people to talk too.

RocketLawnChair · Post by **RocketLawnChair** » Thu Oct 26, 2017 9:30 am

Imploding Turtle wrote:Nor would I, but then i'm not stupid enough to hold the opinion "old enough to kill old enough to be named and shamed".

I don't hold that belief either IT. I just felt that comparison was weak for you.

I am of the belief if it's in the public interest the details of the perpetrator should be released. I think the police will be a fair way off that with this at the moment.

elwaclaret · Post by **elwaclaret** » Thu Oct 26, 2017 9:30 am

For those of you asking if it was an Asian shooting, while possible Oswaldtwistle unlike Accrington has a very small Asian presence and the estate in question is certainly NOT known as predominantly Asian, much more likely to be white down there.

NottsClaret · Post by **NottsClaret** » Thu Oct 26, 2017 9:38 am

Couldn't care less about the background of the people involved but elwa is correct, knowing the area very well, the poor guy who got shot will almost certainly be white. Not arsed if the lad with the gun was too, you'd think he more than likely comes from a 'crime' family though.

It's a bit worrying how many of this incidents there's been. Bet that guy who used to run the Ossy Gun shop wishes he'd kept it open now.

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Thu Oct 26, 2017 9:38 am

RocketLawnChair wrote:I don't hold that belief either IT. I just felt that comparison was weak for you.

I am of the belief if it's in the public interest the details of the perpetrator should be released. I think the police will be a fair way off that with this at the moment.

How was it weak? I was literally applying blackrod's logic about ALL ages to another age.

If you think it's stupid then take it up with the idiot who holds the stupid opinion, not the person demonstrating how stupid it is.

Tinribs · Post by **Tinribs** » Thu Oct 26, 2017 9:46 am

NottsClaret wrote:There was another shooting in Ossy earlier this year, and a couple in Accy as said above.

All 'isolated' incidents apparently. Seems a lot though for a smallish town, although it was never the most salubrious place growing up there.

I grew up in Accrington and it was a cracking place to grow up in.Suppose Notts is fantastic eh

NottsClaret · Post by **NottsClaret** » Thu Oct 26, 2017 9:53 am

Don't get me wrong, I loved it too and still visit loads. Just saying while not being posh, it never seemed to have such a dangerous, or at least visible criminal problem.

I don't live in Notts by the way, but I can't be arsed changing my username.

TheFamilyCat · Post by **TheFamilyCat** » Thu Oct 26, 2017 10:01 am

Best guess would be that the gun belonged to the kid's dad or other older relative.

TheFamilyCat · Post by **TheFamilyCat** » Thu Oct 26, 2017 10:04 am

UpTheBeehole wrote:Quite strange that Bin Ont Turf and Blackrod have used the exact same insult recently.

Do you forget which username you're logging in as sometimes Nelstan?

Blackrod is Bin ont Turf.png

More likely that one of them thought it was a hilarious insult and chose to copy it. A bit like 'libtard'.

bfccrazy · Post by **bfccrazy** » Thu Oct 26, 2017 10:08 am

TheFamilyCat wrote:More likely that one of them thought it was a hilarious insult and chose to copy it. A bit like 'libtard'.

Please refrain from using logic on this messageboard.

TheFamilyCat · Post by **TheFamilyCat** » Thu Oct 26, 2017 10:11 am

bfccrazy wrote:Please refrain from using logic on this messageboard.

Soz

bfccrazy · Post by **bfccrazy** » Thu Oct 26, 2017 10:14 am

TheFamilyCat wrote:Soz

IAmAClaret · Post by **IAmAClaret** » Thu Oct 26, 2017 10:21 am

NottsClaret wrote:Don't get me wrong, I loved it too and still visit loads. Just saying while not being posh, it never seemed to have such a dangerous, or at least visible criminal problem.

I don't live in Notts by the way, but I can't be arsed changing my username.

ALL 'issues' at the moment, come from one area of the Town. Doesn't take a genius to work out where that area is.

Also, I'm not sure why it's a "Shooting in Accrington" - It's in the West End of Oswaldtwistle.

ClaretAndJew · Post by **ClaretAndJew** » Thu Oct 26, 2017 10:24 am

IAmAClaret wrote:ALL 'issues' at the moment, come from one area of the Town. Doesn't take a genius to work out where that area is.

Also, I'm not sure why it's a "Shooting in Accrington" - It's in the West End of Oswaldtwistle.

Sorry I have now fixed the title

Quickenthetempo · Post by **Quickenthetempo** » Thu Oct 26, 2017 10:27 am

This thread shows what our messageboard is becoming at the moment.

A 14yr old allegedly murders a man and people just petty argue about racism. Posters getting a hard on when they can argue about it.

IAmAClaret · Post by **IAmAClaret** » Thu Oct 26, 2017 10:33 am

ClaretAndJew wrote:Sorry I have now fixed the title

Not your fault at all - The police are still reporting it as Accrington too.

If someone got shot in Salford, it would be "Shooting in Manchester". I think it's for the simpletons with no idea of geography, it gives them a better chance of understanding where things have happened.

Taken from the BBC:
Title = "Accrington shooting: Boy, 14, arrested on suspicion of murder"
Then in the Article = "Police were called to Barnard Close in Oswaldtwistle, near Accrington..."

bobinho · Post by **bobinho** » Thu Oct 26, 2017 10:34 am

Let's not forget, it could just be that the "shooter" may well be from an underpriveledged background, so hasn't really had a decent "crack" at it. He may well have not received the proper guidance from his parents, who may be in the pub every day and too busy to be parents.

So maybe we should protect his identity, and do our best to ensure he isn't punished, but rehabilitated using the time tested idea of "character building" holidays in the woods with other "unfortunate" young people. Then, after a couple of years, we can help his transition into society again, whilst spending a fortune creating a new identity and ensuring he is re-homed and protected even after re-offending a few years down the line.

Let's give em a chance eh, they are only young and it was a silly mistake?

Or we could just accept that someone's been murdered, and put the guilty away for as long as the law permits.

Lancasterclaret · Post by **Lancasterclaret** » Thu Oct 26, 2017 10:35 am

I think you are going to need a bigger boat there Bobinho

Steve-Harpers-perm · Post by **Steve-Harpers-perm** » Thu Oct 26, 2017 10:38 am

TheFamilyCat wrote:Best guess would be that the gun belonged to the kid's dad or other older relative.

One of my work colleagues lives on the street next to where it happened in Ossy. Sounds like the above is likely what happened after a neighbourhood feud.

Blackrod · Post by **Blackrod** » Thu Oct 26, 2017 10:39 am

This incident on the face of it is nothing to do with race. Someone had been murdered by a minor that's it. The usual suspects are looking for someone to bring race into it so that can get offended and be outraged.

Blackrod · Post by **Blackrod** » Thu Oct 26, 2017 10:43 am

Then the Dad or older relative needs arresting and charged for enabling it to get into the wrong hands. I am sure this will happen as the rules around this are very tight. I suspect it maybe off the black market and unregistered though.

UpTheBeehole · Post by **UpTheBeehole** » Thu Oct 26, 2017 10:48 am

Blackrod wrote:This incident on the face of it is nothing to do with race. Someone had been murdered by a minor that's it. The usual suspects are looking for someone to bring race into it so that can get offended and be outraged.

It was your alter ego Bin Ont Turf who brought race into it, in his post which has now been deleted

Lancasterclaret · Post by **Lancasterclaret** » Thu Oct 26, 2017 10:48 am

As the mods have yet again kept the topic open but deleted the (potentially) offensive post, you might be missing that "the usual suspects" have commented on a (potentially) offensive post.

Not a criticism of the mods btw, just an observation to help Blackrod understand why people have commented the way they have.

BurnleyPaul · Post by **BurnleyPaul** » Thu Oct 26, 2017 10:53 am

This is a very sensitive situation. I teach in one of the schools which is currently affected by this incident. Let’s just say that it is NOT a normal school day today- plenty of people are subdued.

Cani please ask that people on here are careful with what they say about this case. I’m fairly certain that some people who know the families affected by this do post on here- they don’t need inaccurate information or theories being posted. Also we’ve got the police in school speaking with certain people who have posted some details (such as names, versions of events etc) on Facebook and who are being told about the implications of doing so whilst a crime is being investigated and the impact it can have on criminal proceedings.

All I’ll say is that this is a tragic situation and it’s not just the pupils who are currently being affected by what’s happened ; so too are some of the staff who’ve worked with both the victims and the person accused of committing this horrific crime. We’re coming to terms with what’s happened and wondering about several things too.

Grumps · Post by **Grumps** » Thu Oct 26, 2017 11:03 am

BurnleyPaul wrote:This is a very sensitive situation. I teach in one of the schools which is currently affected by this incident. Let’s just say that it is NOT a normal school day today- plenty of people are subdued.

Cani please ask that people on here are careful with what they say about this case. I’m fairly certain that some people who know the families affected by this do post on here- they don’t need inaccurate information or theories being posted. Also we’ve got the police in school speaking with certain people who have posted some details (such as names, versions of events etc) on Facebook and who are being told about the implications of doing so whilst a crime is being investigated and the impact it can have on criminal proceedings.

All I’ll say is that this is a tragic situation and it’s not just the pupils who are currently being affected by what’s happened ; so too are some of the staff who’ve worked with both the victims and the person accused of committing this horrific crime. We’re coming to terms with what’s happened and wondering about several things too.

Hopefully people on here will take into account everything said in burnleypauls post, but I won't hold my breath

Saxoman · Post by **Saxoman** » Thu Oct 26, 2017 11:32 am

Are we allowed to know the schools involved?