Keane Dropped

Jeffbfc · Post by **Jeffbfc** » Sun Oct 29, 2017 3:29 pm

Not even on the bench

Fireguard · Post by **Fireguard** » Sun Oct 29, 2017 3:37 pm

Injured

piston broke · Post by **piston broke** » Sun Oct 29, 2017 3:38 pm

Is he injured? Has to be the best of their three CHs.

ClaretTony · Post by **ClaretTony** » Sun Oct 29, 2017 3:39 pm

Not injured according to reports, but if dropped it's no surprise given recent performances. I thought he was poor against us but he was dreadful last week against Arsenal.

Duffer_ · Post by **Duffer_** » Sun Oct 29, 2017 3:41 pm

Injured according to Sky.

UTC!

Diesel · Post by **Diesel** » Sun Oct 29, 2017 3:48 pm

Poor Lego Man.

ClaretTony · Post by **ClaretTony** » Sun Oct 29, 2017 3:53 pm

Duffer_ wrote:Injured according to Sky.

UTC!

That makes more sense given he's not on the bench but I'd seen a report that he had been axed.

Sidney1st · Post by **Sidney1st** » Sun Oct 29, 2017 3:54 pm

The rest of them have also been pretty rubbish, so has anyone else been axed?

Lowbankclaret · Post by **Lowbankclaret** » Sun Oct 29, 2017 3:54 pm

I agree with CT, I have watched them a couple of times and he has been very poor.

fidelcastro · Post by **fidelcastro** » Sun Oct 29, 2017 3:57 pm

If he's been poor, then I shudder to think how Ashley Williams has been described this season.

Diesel · Post by **Diesel** » Sun Oct 29, 2017 3:58 pm

fidelcastro wrote:If he's been poor, then I shudder to think how Ashley Williams has been described this season.

Poorer?

fidelcastro · Post by **fidelcastro** » Sun Oct 29, 2017 4:01 pm

Diesel wrote:Poorer?

Judging from what I've seen, I'd say poorly.

Diesel · Post by **Diesel** » Sun Oct 29, 2017 4:04 pm

fidelcastro wrote:Judging from what I've seen, I'd say poorly.

What about apooring?

Andym26 · Post by **Andym26** » Sun Oct 29, 2017 4:05 pm

Has had stiches in his foot so just injured. Has been poor this season, however several have

Diesel · Post by **Diesel** » Sun Oct 29, 2017 4:08 pm

I thought he moved to Everton on more money?

Spijed · Post by **Spijed** » Sun Oct 29, 2017 4:09 pm

Keane - a poor mans Tarkowski.

Diesel · Post by **Diesel** » Sun Oct 29, 2017 4:14 pm

Spijed wrote:Keane - a poor mans Tarkowski.

..but Keane is, himself, a poor man now.

Lancasterclaret · Post by **Lancasterclaret** » Sun Oct 29, 2017 4:17 pm

Everton look soooooooooooooo sllllllllllllllllllllllllooooooooooooooooowwwwwwwwwwwwwww at the back

Lancasterclaret · Post by **Lancasterclaret** » Sun Oct 29, 2017 4:20 pm

And there it is, as the complete lack of pace is shown up

ElectroClaret · Post by **ElectroClaret** » Sun Oct 29, 2017 4:21 pm

Don't think it will be the last.

KefkaClaret · Post by **KefkaClaret** » Sun Oct 29, 2017 4:23 pm

I think you can actually make a strong argument that we have a better strike force than Everton.

ElectroClaret · Post by **ElectroClaret** » Sun Oct 29, 2017 4:24 pm

I've seen faster Thwaites dray horses than Williams.

Lancasterclaret · Post by **Lancasterclaret** » Sun Oct 29, 2017 4:30 pm

Jesus

I don't think Unsworth is going to get the job.

ElectroClaret · Post by **ElectroClaret** » Sun Oct 29, 2017 4:33 pm

Lancasterclaret wrote:Jesus

I don't think Unsworth is going to get the job.

If this is three or four, there's no way

Sidney1st · Post by **Sidney1st** » Sun Oct 29, 2017 4:33 pm

Everton fans will be thinking Keane is world class by the end of this game...

cutsy123 · Post by **cutsy123** » Sun Oct 29, 2017 4:52 pm

if i was keane in that team at the minute, losing all the time, i'd be poorly too

Goddy · Post by **Goddy** » Sun Oct 29, 2017 5:25 pm

fidelcastro wrote:Judging from what I've seen, I'd say poorly.

Porous?

Lancasterclaret · Post by **Lancasterclaret** » Sun Oct 29, 2017 5:27 pm

This is **** poor, especially if you are looking at Unsworth as someone who stops them going for our manager.

evensteadiereddie · Post by **evensteadiereddie** » Sun Oct 29, 2017 5:32 pm

Both sides are awful.

Rileybobs · Post by **Rileybobs** » Sun Oct 29, 2017 5:33 pm

Everton are junk.

Rileybobs · Post by **Rileybobs** » Sun Oct 29, 2017 5:40 pm

How is Phil Jagielka still a professional footballer?

Sidney1st · Post by **Sidney1st** » Sun Oct 29, 2017 5:47 pm

Williams was better with last season's hair style.

He's been gash since he switched to his current one.

bfccrazy · Post by **bfccrazy** » Sun Oct 29, 2017 5:53 pm

ClaretTony wrote:That makes more sense given he's not on the bench but I'd seen a report that he had been axed.

The interesting thing I have seen from him is that he is still trying to defend the same way he did at Burnley - but he no longer has Mee/Heaton behind him.

If you watch his movement for Hendrick' goal against them he runs out to cover the shooting angle to the right post - the keeper was in the middle .... Usually Mee would cover the shooting angle to the left post forcing a very good strike to concede. Williams just stood there though and didnt do Mees job which gave Hendrick plenty of the net to shoot into on that side ...... Which he did.

ablueclaret · Post by **ablueclaret** » Sun Oct 29, 2017 6:15 pm

As I said at the time he might never get a better partner than Mee.
Think he should have waited one more year here and played in a back three of Tarka Mee and Keane.

Keanearkamee would have been the purest alchemy.

bfccrazy · Post by **bfccrazy** » Sun Oct 29, 2017 6:21 pm

ablueclaret wrote:As I said at the time he might never get a better partner than Mee.
Think he should have waited one more year here and played in a back three of Tarka Mee and Keane.

Keanearkamee would have been the purest alchemy.

The plus side of letting him go though is that we have Mee to build up more defenders around him for a few more years yet - if we stuck with 3 at the back then we could have been "worked out" but as it is we have a VERY underated (by people outside our club) CB and vice captain who is a rock.

ClaretTony · Post by **ClaretTony** » Sun Oct 29, 2017 6:23 pm

bfccrazy wrote:The interesting thing I have seen from him is that he is still trying to defend the same way he did at Burnley - but he no longer has Mee/Heaton behind him.

If you watch his movement for Hendrick' goal against them he runs out to cover the shooting angle to the right post - the keeper was in the middle .... Usually Mee would cover the shooting angle to the left post forcing a very good strike to concede. Williams just stood there though and didnt do Mees job which gave Hendrick plenty of the net to shoot into on that side ...... Which he did.

The defending for our goal at Everton from the two centre backs was poor, but I mentioned a number of times during that game how he looked nothing like the player who had played for us. Everton had, prior to that, been playing with a back three. Keane and Williams were so far apart I got the impression they thought Jagielka must be there somewhere.

boatshed bill · Post by **boatshed bill** » Sun Oct 29, 2017 6:26 pm

bfccrazy wrote:The plus side of letting him go though is that we have Mee to build up more defenders around him for a few more years yet - if we stuck with 3 at the back then we could have been "worked out" but as it is we have a VERY underated (by people outside our club) CB and vice captain who is a rock.

I have to say that i doubt we'd be going to 3 at the back any time soon.

bfccrazy · Post by **bfccrazy** » Sun Oct 29, 2017 6:26 pm

ClaretTony wrote:The defending for our goal at Everton from the two centre backs was poor, but I mentioned a number of times during that game how he looked nothing like the player who had played for us. Everton had, prior to that, been playing with a back three. Keane and Williams were so far apart I got the impression they thought Jagielka must be there somewhere.

Watch his movement as Hendrick lines up the shot - he's in the defensive school of Dyche still (which is very good) but the rest of he defence at Everton hasn't had that schooling so he looks poor.

Could be argued that if he is as good as made out then he should be able to adapt to any defensive structure - the truth though is that whilst being a great player .... Once out of a whole unit set up to defend - he is a little lost.

ClaretTony · Post by **ClaretTony** » Sun Oct 29, 2017 6:28 pm

bfccrazy wrote:Watch his movement as Hendrick lines up the shot - he's in the defensive school of Dyche still (which is very good) but the rest of he defence at Everton hasn't had that schooling so he looks poor.

Could be argued that if he is as good as made out then he should be able to adapt to any defensive structure - the truth though is that whilst being a great player .... Once out of a whole unit set up to defend - he is a little lost.

In fairness he's a young player still learning the game and having to adapt to a new team and a new system. I just thought he looked lost at times against us. He'll come good though, no matter who takes over, because he's a damn good player.

bfccrazy · Post by **bfccrazy** » Sun Oct 29, 2017 6:33 pm

ClaretTony wrote:In fairness he's a young player still learning the game and having to adapt to a new team and a new system. I just thought he looked lost at times against us. He'll come good though, no matter who takes over, because he's a damn good player.

I'm not doubting he's a great player - Just that a lot of fans want instant gratification if they spend over 10 mil on a single player.

Hopefully the negativity doesnt affect him and he is given a chance to still grow. There is a diamond in there - just feel that we could have carried on polishing him for a while longer.

bfcmartin · Post by **bfcmartin** » Sun Oct 29, 2017 6:57 pm

I honestly think if he had stayed with us he would have been in the squad for the world cup but i don't think he''ll be going now unless there's a dramatic upturn at Everton

claretabroad · Post by **claretabroad** » Sun Oct 29, 2017 7:03 pm

sneaky low bid to bring him back in January?

boatshed bill · Post by **boatshed bill** » Sun Oct 29, 2017 7:13 pm

Remember that Stones didn't have a great start at City, MK will be allright.

Paul Waine · Post by **Paul Waine** » Sun Oct 29, 2017 7:16 pm

Sidney1st wrote:Everton fans will be thinking Keane is world class by the end of this game...

Michael Keane performed very badly last week - a bit like I would have done as a 60+ year old - chasing shadows. I wonder if he knew/suspected that Koeman was getting the sack "in the morning." Is my memory correct that Michael Keane said he chosen to sign for Everton because he wanted to work with/be managed by Koeman?

Sidney1st · Post by **Sidney1st** » Sun Oct 29, 2017 7:24 pm

Keane has looked toss because the rest of the team has been toss and disjointed.

Our framework is actually quite good, despite some Burnley fans wishing we didn't use it, so Keane was better protected and he was used to playing alongside Mee with a more commanding GK behind him.

Everton haven't been playing well, Pickford is still a young lad and Williams just looks naff.
Plus they were using 3 at the back a few times and that's relatively new to Keane.

IanMcL · Post by **IanMcL** » Sun Oct 29, 2017 7:25 pm

Unsworth went back to the tried and trusted. However, he forgot that collectively, they are container ship not a speedboat.

Hipper · Post by **Hipper** » Sun Oct 29, 2017 8:09 pm

How come Gueye/Gana (I wish players would have their name on their shirt and not some personal choice) was playing today. He was sent off last Sunday against Arsenal for two yellows.

taio · Post by **taio** » Sun Oct 29, 2017 8:15 pm

Hipper wrote:How come Gueye/Gana (I wish players would have their name on their shirt and not some personal choice) was playing today. He was sent off last Sunday against Arsenal for two yellows.

Presume he missed league cup game against Chelsea

claretspice · Post by **claretspice** » Sun Oct 29, 2017 9:20 pm

Little doubt that Keane would have been better equipped to cope with being exposed on the counter as Everton were today than either Jagielka or Williams. Truth is that Everton's shape and structure was woeful and has been for weeks now.

That game today was really one to refute the flat-earthists who spent the latter part of the summer telling us that pace was overrated. The story of the game was that Leicester's pace scared Everton stiff and gave Leicester the tools to dismantle Everton on the counter attack at will. Of course, it was the pace of Lennon in particular that gave Everton their best route into the game and ought to have given them a penalty to reduce arrears (with the sort of run from out to in that showed what he'd have added to our armoury had we been able to bring him in on deadline day).

welsbyswife · Post by **welsbyswife** » Sun Oct 29, 2017 9:45 pm

claretspice wrote:Little doubt that Keane would have been better equipped to cope with being exposed on the counter as Everton were today than either Jagielka or Williams. Truth is that Everton's shape and structure was woeful and has been for weeks now.

That game today was really one to refute the flat-earthists who spent the latter part of the summer telling us that pace was overrated. The story of the game was that Leicester's pace scared Everton stiff and gave Leicester the tools to dismantle Everton on the counter attack at will. Of course, it was the pace of Lennon in particular that gave Everton their best route into the game and ought to have given them a penalty to reduce arrears (with the sort of run from out to in that showed what he'd have added to our armoury had we been able to bring him in on deadline day).

I thought it was very naive of Unsworth to go with two out and out wide men against Leicester. He basically tried to play them at their own game on their own patch and Leicester were always going to be better at it because that’s how they play best. And like you say, if he was going to play that way surely he would have had more chance with pace at the back to cope with the counter. In Williams and Jagielka he had the opposite. I think he’s ****** on his chips unfortunately because with him in charge I think they would get dragged into the mire.