Has Unsworth Got It?

Longsider · Post by **Longsider** » Wed Nov 08, 2017 6:26 pm

Everton forum saying that Unsworth has been appointed manager until end of season

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elwaclaret · Post by **elwaclaret** » Wed Nov 08, 2017 6:28 pm

Longsider wrote:Everton forum saying that Unsworth has been appointed manager until end of season

I like David Unsworth, he did a great job for us... but if this is true I think Everton will be in for a long hard season.

Bacchus · Post by **Bacchus** » Wed Nov 08, 2017 6:37 pm

I genuinely can't understand why Unsworth is even in the frame. He has literally nothing on his cv to suggest he's qualified for one of the top manager jobs in the country. It'd be like National Express appointing their longest serving driver as chief executive just because he's quite popular with the passengers.

Wile E Coyote · Post by **Wile E Coyote** » Wed Nov 08, 2017 6:40 pm

realistically none of us know much about him, of course dim headed barton had to get his ridiculous nose into it by slagging off the blokes weight.
Naturally his new employers at talk ***** were all over it to kick the man when he was down.****.

Lowbankclaret · Post by **Lowbankclaret** » Wed Nov 08, 2017 6:45 pm

Unsworth was doing his badges when he was here at Burnley.
He worked with our under 18's and the ones I spoke to talked very highly about him and his coaching.

Just may be he is good enough to keep them up, they can then reassess in the summer.
Dyche will be available on a free then.

Makes me wonder if both Everton and WH are thinking they might get SD at the end of the season.

bfcmartin · Post by **bfcmartin** » Wed Nov 08, 2017 6:52 pm

Dyche is on a rolling contract so the compo has always to be paid

criminalclaret · Post by **criminalclaret** » Wed Nov 08, 2017 6:53 pm

To be honest, this might be a win-win for us.

From our point of view, we want to keep Dyche very minimum til the end of the season. If his stock rises, which I'm sure it will do, and he wants to go after cementing us another year in the PL, we can appoint another manager post season with time to build on the squad.

From a West Ham/Everton/Swansea/Leicester (and to less extent Watford) point of view, they want to make sure that survival is achieved by whatever means and then if so, build on that by looking towards Dyche having solidly proved his capabilities.

All completely hypothetical of course. It only takes Rafa to get the sack at Newcastle and all this worry starts all over again

Lowbankclaret · Post by **Lowbankclaret** » Wed Nov 08, 2017 6:58 pm

bfcmartin wrote:Dyche is on a rolling contract so the compo has always to be paid

I could be wrong but I really doubt that's true.

Without seeing the contract it's hard to say, but I would think in a rolling contract both parties can walk away at the end of each season without compensation being paid

LeadBelly · Post by **LeadBelly** » Wed Nov 08, 2017 7:10 pm

His odds have gone shorter lately, around 1/2 or 1/3- so it's looking like something has moved the market. May well be that BFS remains adamant that he won't just do it until the end of the season as a stop-gap and Everton wont commit to that.
Unsworth could get it and do a decent job, he's got a fair few decent players when they're all fit and committed.

evensteadiereddie · Post by **evensteadiereddie** » Wed Nov 08, 2017 7:15 pm

I don't think Dychio staying with us was ever in doubt. The way he has spoken about the "group" as he called it over the past couple of weeks, would have meant a U-turn that would dwarfed even that of Coyle.

kentonclaret · Post by **kentonclaret** » Wed Nov 08, 2017 7:16 pm

Good to see that PL managers doing a good job at theoretically lesser and smaller clubs are not being lured away mid-season for a relegation battle at the so-called "bigger clubs". I am sure the speculation over SD's future will intensify in the summer.

taio · Post by **taio** » Wed Nov 08, 2017 7:18 pm

Lowbankclaret wrote:I could be wrong but I really doubt that's true.

Without seeing the contract it's hard to say, but I would think in a rolling contract both parties can walk away at the end of each season without compensation being paid

Obviously we don't know but that seems even more unlikely if it's a rolling 12 months in the true sense

bfcjg · Post by **bfcjg** » Wed Nov 08, 2017 7:40 pm

He has Got it, but has been assured by his doctor that antibiotics will clear it up.

PaintYorkClaretnBlue · Post by **PaintYorkClaretnBlue** » Wed Nov 08, 2017 7:43 pm

Lowbankclaret wrote:I could be wrong but I really doubt that's true.

Without seeing the contract it's hard to say, but I would think in a rolling contract both parties can walk away at the end of each season without compensation being paid

With a rolling 12 month contract I’d imagine that he is under contract until 8th November 2018 at the moment.

moaninclaret · Post by **moaninclaret** » Wed Nov 08, 2017 7:54 pm

Dont think unny will be a saviour at everton , but i hope the lad gets the job, at least it will keep them away from knocking on the front door of the Dyche residence. He got thrown in at the deep end and has a massive task on his hands but the fans and the club like the big fella, they have played slightly better under his wing, although theres a lot to do i think he will keep them up. Should someone else takes over i think they will struggle, not that i care much but good luck unny !!!!

Wile E Coyote · Post by **Wile E Coyote** » Wed Nov 08, 2017 7:56 pm

evensteadiereddie wrote:I don't think Dychio staying with us was ever in doubt. The way he has spoken about the "group" as he called it over the past couple of weeks, would have meant a U-turn that would dwarfed even that of Coyle.

how long have we got him for ? till May

Lowbankclaret · Post by **Lowbankclaret** » Wed Nov 08, 2017 8:02 pm

PaintYorkClaretnBlue wrote:With a rolling 12 month contract I’d imagine that he is under contract until 8th November 2018 at the moment.

I would suggest a rolling 12 month contract means June to June, when both parties sit down and agree to another year or not.

But you could be right, not sure how it benefits either party.

taio · Post by **taio** » Wed Nov 08, 2017 8:03 pm

That would be a 12 month contract. If it's rolling it's normally for the next 12 months at any point in time.

ClaretTony · Post by **ClaretTony** » Wed Nov 08, 2017 8:09 pm

Lowbankclaret wrote:Dyche will be available on a free then.

He won’t. He’s on a rolling contract so never reaches that point where he’s free to go.

As for Unsworth. They are clearly looking for a manager until end of season so they can then bring in Silva or Simione.

dsr · Post by **dsr** » Wed Nov 08, 2017 8:12 pm

ClaretTony wrote:He won’t. He’s on a rolling contract so never reaches that point where he’s free to go.

As for Unsworth. They are clearly looking for a manager until end of season so they can then bring in Silva or Simione.

I agree. If they really wanted Dyche, gentlemen's agreement about poaching notwithstanding, then they would have gone for him. I reckon that Kenwright and Moshiri can't agree who they want and have picked Unsworth as a compromise. Then in summer they can get the big name that Moshiri wants and the experienced candidate that suits Kenwright - ie. Silva or Simeone. And I don't care which.

ClaretTony · Post by **ClaretTony** » Wed Nov 08, 2017 8:14 pm

There is no gentlemen’s agreement

Quickenthetempo · Post by **Quickenthetempo** » Wed Nov 08, 2017 8:38 pm

ClaretTony wrote:There is no gentlemen’s agreement

There must be, how else have West Ham been forced to appoint David Moyes?

Lowbankclaret · Post by **Lowbankclaret** » Wed Nov 08, 2017 8:42 pm

So he's on a never ending contract. No escape unless sacked or someone pays 2.5 million for him.

Not sure he thought that one through.

Well done Burnley for getting him to sign that.

dsr · Post by **dsr** » Wed Nov 08, 2017 8:44 pm

Lowbankclaret wrote:So he's on a never ending contract. No escape unless sacked or someone pays 2.5 million for him.

Not sure he thought that one through.

Well done Burnley for getting him to sign that.

No, in a year's rolling contract either party can give notice that the year stops rolling. So it's like signing a new 1-year contract every day.

KRBFC · Post by **KRBFC** » Wed Nov 08, 2017 8:50 pm

ClaretTony wrote:There is no gentlemen’s agreement

There is Boden confirmed it

Juan Tanamera · Post by **Juan Tanamera** » Wed Nov 08, 2017 8:51 pm

Lowbankclaret wrote:Not sure he thought that one through.

Well done Burnley for getting him to sign that.

Wasn't this type of contract Sean Dyche's idea?

Lowbankclaret · Post by **Lowbankclaret** » Wed Nov 08, 2017 8:54 pm

That will work in football, not.

Dyche working a years notice or a year on gardening leave.

I am not getting the benefit for him, he is always a year from getting a new job unless 2.5 million is paid.

Seriously I still think it will be summer to summer or all the benefits are on the clubs side. He is cleverer than that.

taio · Post by **taio** » Wed Nov 08, 2017 8:58 pm

Presumably he agreed it on the basis he'd get a decent amount of compensation in the event he got sacked.

Lowbankclaret · Post by **Lowbankclaret** » Wed Nov 08, 2017 8:59 pm

Steve Coppell used to be on a rolling contract at Reading, it was summer to summer.

taio · Post by **taio** » Wed Nov 08, 2017 9:03 pm

When he was being linked with Palace early in the summer it was reported that they'd have to pay 12 months compensation. A rolling 12 month contract is usually just that.

Clockwork Claret · Post by **Clockwork Claret** » Wed Nov 08, 2017 9:08 pm

KRBFC wrote:There is Boden confirmed it

On above logic. Rolling contract and gentlemans agreement Dyche can never leave us for a Premier League club.

I'll drink to that!

Greenmile · Post by **Greenmile** » Wed Nov 08, 2017 9:18 pm

Lowbankclaret wrote:Steve Coppell used to be on a rolling contract at Reading, it was summer to summer.

It wasn't a rolling contract then. It was a 12-month contract which he renewed each summer.

Edit - I have no idea what contract SD is on, or even whether rolling contracts are a thing for football managers, but you seem to be struggling with the definition here.

ClaretTony · Post by **ClaretTony** » Wed Nov 08, 2017 9:21 pm

Lowbankclaret wrote:So he's on a never ending contract. No escape unless sacked or someone pays 2.5 million for him.

Not sure he thought that one through.

Well done Burnley for getting him to sign that.

He’s on a one year rolling contract. Lot of managers are now on that kind of contract. I’d say he and his advisors have very definitely thought it through.

mdd2 · Post by **mdd2** » Wed Nov 08, 2017 9:21 pm

If there is a £2.5million compo clause it would be a reasonable guess that SD is on £50k/week

ClaretTony · Post by **ClaretTony** » Wed Nov 08, 2017 9:22 pm

KRBFC wrote:There is Boden confirmed it

There is no agreement - Everton have already tried to bring in Marco Silva.

PaintYorkClaretnBlue · Post by **PaintYorkClaretnBlue** » Wed Nov 08, 2017 9:25 pm

Lowbankclaret wrote:That will work in football, not.

Dyche working a years notice or a year on gardening leave.

I am not getting the benefit for him, he is always a year from getting a new job unless 2.5 million is paid.

Seriously I still think it will be summer to summer or all the benefits are on the clubs side. He is cleverer than that.

With your example neither side have any security beyond the end of the season though, both parties would be better signing a three year contract with a get out clause built in. I really can’t see it being a one year contract signed every year.

ClaretTony · Post by **ClaretTony** » Wed Nov 08, 2017 9:28 pm

Lowbankclaret wrote:Steve Coppell used to be on a rolling contract at Reading, it was summer to summer.

It wasn’t and neither is Dyche’s. Rolling contracts don’t terminate at the end of the season.

Dyche signed a two and a half year contract when he first joined us but his next deal was signed after the first promotion. He’s been on a rolling contract ever since which means if we want to terminate it at any time he’s entitled to a year’s pay and if he wants to terminate it to join another club there is an agreed clause that would allow him to move on for whatever figure is in that clause.

ClaretTony · Post by **ClaretTony** » Wed Nov 08, 2017 9:34 pm

mdd2 wrote:If there is a £2.5million compo clause it would be a reasonable guess that SD is on £50k/week

It would be a very wild guess. I can’t imagine the compo figure relates to his salary. I’d certainly expect it to be considerably higher than his salary figure.

mybloodisclaret · Post by **mybloodisclaret** » Wed Nov 08, 2017 10:01 pm

ClaretTony wrote:It would be a very wild guess. I can’t imagine the compo figure relates to his salary. I’d certainly expect it to be considerably higher than his salary figure.

So why pay him 2.5 mill to buy him out of his contract if we sack him when it is a 12 month contract? Stands to reason we pay him a years wages?

Wile E Coyote · Post by **Wile E Coyote** » Wed Nov 08, 2017 10:11 pm

2.5 mill is nothing, he is the clubs most vital asset.Far more valuable than the millions players are worth. Lose Keane and Ings and we hardly notice, lose Dyche and its a totally different story.

Wokingclaret · Post by **Wokingclaret** » Wed Nov 08, 2017 10:13 pm

I don't understand, if they give it Unsworth why not just keep Koeman.

Wokingclaret · Post by **Wokingclaret** » Wed Nov 08, 2017 10:16 pm

ClaretTony wrote:It would be a very wild guess. I can’t imagine the compo figure relates to his salary. I’d certainly expect it to be considerably higher than his salary figure.

Then any other prem club will pay higher

Lowbankclaret · Post by **Lowbankclaret** » Wed Nov 08, 2017 10:22 pm

Greenmile wrote:It wasn't a rolling contract then. It was a 12-month contract which he renewed each summer.

Edit - I have no idea what contract SD is on, or even whether rolling contracts are a thing for football managers, but you seem to be struggling with the definition here.

Nope not struggling.

If I was a rising person in a profession that sacks people at the drop of a hat. I would not sign a contract that holds me into 12 months to them.

Looks like I am obviously wrong but his advisers need sacking. IMHO

Bordeauxclaret · Post by **Bordeauxclaret** » Wed Nov 08, 2017 10:25 pm

I’m sure he’s bright enough not to agree to it if it doesn’t benefit him.

Tall Paul · Post by **Tall Paul** » Wed Nov 08, 2017 10:42 pm

Lowbankclaret wrote:Nope not struggling.

If I was a rising person in a profession that sacks people at the drop of a hat. I would not sign a contract that holds me into 12 months to them.

Looks like I am obviously wrong but his advisers need sacking. IMHO

You'd want a shorter contract? With less compensation if you were sacked?

Archer · Post by **Archer** » Wed Nov 08, 2017 10:52 pm

Lowbankclaret wrote:Nope not struggling.

If I was a rising person in a profession that sacks people at the drop of a hat. I would not sign a contract that holds me into 12 months to them.

Looks like I am obviously wrong but his advisers need sacking. IMHO

You’re on the windup here, right?

Vegas Claret · Post by **Vegas Claret** » Wed Nov 08, 2017 11:01 pm

Nixon seems to think that Dyche is on very good terms here

dsr · Post by **dsr** » Wed Nov 08, 2017 11:06 pm

I'd be surprised if Dyche isn't on at least £2m p.a., and quite possibly (if the £2.5m exit clause is correct) £2.5m. For one thing, he's apparently sugned three new contracts in his five years, the most recent one last summer - and by now, he can surely write down his terms and present them to the Board; and unless he takes the michael, the Board will accept them. And for another, I'd be astonished if there isn't a clause to say Dyche gets paid at least as much as the highest paid player. (There certainly would be if I was Dyche, or for that matter if I was on the Board of Directors.)

Dyche is no fool; he knows his worth. The Board aren't fools; they know Dyche's worth. He'll surely be on a very comparable salary by non-top-six standards.

Lowbankclaret · Post by **Lowbankclaret** » Wed Nov 08, 2017 11:15 pm

Archer wrote:You’re on the windup here, right?

No not really.

The benefit is all on the clubs side.

Currently I have been offered several jobs with up to 8-9k more a year than I earn now. However my pension uplift is about 15 k a year meaning I am stuck in my current job.

The contract you all think SD is on, ties him to the club more than I think he is cleaver enough to sign up to.

As always I could be way wrong and will accept that in the future if I am wrong

Rileybobs · Post by **Rileybobs** » Wed Nov 08, 2017 11:21 pm

mybloodisclaret wrote:So why pay him 2.5 mill to buy him out of his contract if we sack him when it is a 12 month contract? Stands to reason we pay him a years wages?

I may be wrong but I’m pretty sure the club wishing to employ Dyche whilst under contract would have to pay the £2.5m compensation to release him from his contract. Not sure why Dyche’s salary would have any bearing on that figure.