Labour MP's terrible racist comments.

[RingoMcCartney]

Despite Jeremy Corbyns recent pronouncement that they'll be "zero tolerance of racism"

Emma Dent Coad describing a black London politician as a "token ghetto boy" and a "**** bag" is absolutely disgusting and yet, and yet no disciplinary action applied to this privileged champagne socialist racist bully.


The evening standard is running a poll on this link. I urge all those opposed to racism, on here to let Corbyn what you think of such despicable behaviour.

https://www.standard.co.uk/news/politic ... 90231.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

[basil6345789]

Is she called Dent or Coad?

[Paul Waine]

Despite Jeremy Corbyns recent pronouncement that they'll be "zero tolerance of racism"

Emma Dent Coad describing a black London politician as a "token ghetto boy" and a "**** bag" is absolutely disgusting and yet, and yet no disciplinary action applied to this privileged champagne socialist racist bully.


The evening standard is running a poll on this link. I urge all those opposed to racism, on here to let Corbyn what you think of such despicable behaviour.

https://www.standard.co.uk/news/politic ... 90231.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Hi Ringo, I do not agree with Coad's comments. My understanding is that she made the comment quoted in 2010 - none of us thought that Jeremy Corbyn would lead Labour party back then, not even JC himself, I'd guess.

[UpTheBeehole]

This morning Ms Dent Coad told BBC London Radio the comments made were not her own - she said she was quoting a constituent in her blog.

She added: "If [Mr Bailey] is offended, I apologise."

Ms Dent Coad also claimed in the piece that Mr Bailey had referred to the area he was born in as a "ghetto", causing it to be stigmatised.

So the words were not her own, and Shaun Bailey himself said he grew up in a ghetto?

[Rowls]

Of course, as in nearly every single one of these cases these days the comments aren't really that horrible or even that racist.

They're insensitive and possibly even inflammatory but that is all subjective.

HOWEVER - by the impossible subjective standards the Labour party has set these comments clearly are racist. There would be howls of protests coming from Labour had the political parties been switched in this instance. Regular contributors to the racial segregation industry (Diane Abbot, David Lammy and maybe a few others) would be stirring it up for all it's worth.

A clear case of double-standards on the Labour front. But this is what happens when you assume you have a "moral highground". You label your opposition as "Tory s c u m" and the logical conclusion is therefore you must be virtuous. You label the opposition as "racist" and therefore you can never be racist no matter what you say. "Me, a racist? That's absurd! I can't be racist - I'm a Labour party member!"

Nobody in the Labour party should be surprised by this - it is exactly what happens when you abandon sensible debate and replace it with an atmosphere of accusations and recriminations - the pendulum swings both ways.

It might be a cliche but the phrase "hoist by your own petard" is clearly applicable here.

Let's hope some context is learned from this silly little row. The Labour MP would do well for accepting the stupidity of her comments and the Conservatives would do well to make their point and let the matter rest.

[Blackrod]

Unacceptable from an MP. Needs to stand down.

[TVC15]

Is that racist ?

****bag is obviously not racist.

"token ghetto boy" sounds more like a slur on someone with a middle class / rich background trying to portray an impression that they are from a poor background. Ghettos are slum areas usually occupied by minority groups - which could be black, white, brown etc.

I stand to be corrected and if he she has said something that minority groups regard as racist then she should be sacked. Problem is that these things turn political very quickly. Even if most minority groups do not find this as racist no doubt those wanting to make political gain will find someone who will come out and say it is racist.

Labour would do exactly the same if the boot was on the other foot.

As said I am not saying with any certainty whether this is racist or not - i genuinely do not know.

[Rowls]

So the words were not her own, and Shaun Bailey himself said he grew up in a ghetto?

No.

The words are her own and Shaun Bailey has expressed denied ever using the term.

Haven't you read the story?

[Quickenthetempo]

Did owt happen over Jack Straw saying all Burnley fans ate Bananas with their feet?

[RingoMcCartney]

Hi Ringo, I do not agree with Coad's comments. My understanding is that she made the comment quoted in 2010 - none of us thought that Jeremy Corbyn would lead Labour party back then, not even JC himself, I'd guess.

I agree, totally, with your time lines Paul. However, Corbyn said it recently and her racist comments have emerged since then. Yet no disciplinary action. No removing the whip.........

[UpTheBeehole]

No.

The words are her own and Shaun Bailey has expressed denied ever using the term.

Haven't you read the story?

My quotes were FROM THE STORY

[Falcon]

It's a tough one. It happened quite a long time ago, but I wouldn't expect an MP to say such things. Is she 'a different person now' as they usually say? Should that make a difference? Is she doing a good job as an MP for her constituents? Is it worth their losing a good representative over a mistake from the past. Lots of stuff to weigh up.

My opinion is that she needs to fall on her sword.

Despite the OP's howlings, there's nowt Corbyn can do about stuff that happened in the past, other than (hopefully) get rid of her now.

Strange to see a lot of people on social media suddenly finding racism abhorrent now it's a political opponent said something nasty rather than 'one of their own'...

[ŽižkovClaret]

Did owt happen over Jack Straw saying all Burnley fans ate Bananas with their feet?

iirc banana sales went up following that delicious revelation

[UpTheBeehole]

Was Sean Dyche forced to apologise for, or sack Andre Gray, when Gray's tweets from 2012 were uncovered?

[Lancasterclaret]

Love bananas me

Almost as much as I love peoples ability to ignore really, really, really big stories because it might not be what they want to hear.

On this one, it doesn't look great for her, and its not like she was a spotty teenager when she said them, so she'll probably have to go.

But then again, is it the same as putting the safety and health of a British citizen in a foreign jail at risk because people couldn't be bothered to do any research?

[Rowls]

My opinion is that she needs to fall on her sword.

Unacceptable from an MP. Needs to stand down.

Alternatively we could just all come to the conclusion she's a bit of a tool and get on with life.

.... no doubt those wanting to make political gain will find someone who will come out and say it is racist.

That's exactly the problem with the self-appointed grandees of the race industry. They think they are the sole arbiters, having appointed themselves to these lofty heights.

Nobody hold their breath waiting for Diane Abbot or David Lammy to comment (although they might yet still do) because the perpetrator of this latest "crime" is a Labour Party member.

I long for the day when this silliness all comes crashing down.

[RingoMcCartney]

Was Sean Dyche forced to apologise for, or sack Andre Gray, when Gray's tweets from 2012 were uncovered?

[Foshiznik]

How are these comments racist? Are we now only allowed to describe someone of the same race as ourselves when calling them scumbags?

As for the token ghetto boy, isn't she just saying that he's one of those middle-upper class politicians who like to pretend he's one of us as he's from a working class background? That's how i read it.

[Chip Harrison]

How are these comments racist? Are we now only allowed to describe someone of the same race as ourselves when calling them scumbags?

As for the token ghetto boy, isn't she just saying that he's one of those middle-upper class politicians who like to pretend he's one of us as he's from a working class background? That's how i read it.

Well you read it wrong. Ghetto clearly indicates a black person. If they were white it would be sink estate or something similar. Calling him a boy. How can you not see what that means!!

This is the type of comment you would have expected to hear from a republican voter in the south west USA in the sixties.

You don't see it as racist because you probably agree with what she says, deep down knowing the implications.

[RingoMcCartney]

Shaun Bailey has written to Corbyn saying he was ‘extremely disappointed and further saddened’ by Kensington MP’s response to criticism of her ‘poisonous blog’ yesterday.

Corbyn needs to take disciplinary action immediately with his, disgracefully, racist MP.....

Imagine the outcry if Nigel Farage had described David Lammy or Diane Abbot as a "token ghetto boy/girl".....

[Foshiznik]

Well you read it wrong. Ghetto clearly indicates a black person. If they were white it would be sink estate or something similar. Calling him a boy. How can you not see what that means!!

This is the type of comment you would have expected to hear from a republican voter in the south west USA in the sixties.

You don't see it as racist because you probably agree with what she says, deep down knowing the implications.

Wow, you are full of assumptions, yet I've read it wrong. Ok mate. Jog on and find someone else to call racist because their views differ from yours. Typical keyboard warrior with such bs.

What the hell is a sink estate? must be a northern saying. As lads, we would say people were from the ghetto if they were from the rough estates. It was a lighthearted comment with no racist overtones. If you believe that a serving MP would be stupid enough to be outright racist to a colleague in a public forum, you obviously hold them at a different esteem to me.

I'm sorry if the above hurts your feelings though petal.

[Chobulous]

It appears that Mrs Dent Coad is attempting to use the Harriet Harman defence i.e. "these aren't my views I am just quoting what someone else said". However if you read a bit further on she apparently called the guy a "ghetto man low life". Once could be construed as a mistake, twice starts to indicate a habit.

[UpTheBeehole]

Corbyn needs to take disciplinary action immediately with his, disgracefully, racist MP.....

I'll say it again; should Sean Dyche have taken disciplinary action with Andre Gray when his disgracefully homophobic tweets from 2012 were uncovered?

[IanMcL]

Someone describing themselves in a particular way, in public, would be hoping for it to be repeated further, if in politics.

This is not racism.

[Imploding Turtle]

Funny how the anti-PC brigade are piling on. They're welcome to, of course, the comment is unacceptable from an elected representative and must be apologised for, but it's just funny that they're never this eager to wade in on the side of political correctness when it's a UKIP or Tory idiot making racist comments. Then its "look at you snowflakes getting outraged on others' behalf".

[Chobulous]

A sink estate is a British council housing estate characterised by high levels of economic and social deprivation. (Wikipedia). Lots of theories as to where the name came from, I tend to think it came from the term behavioural sink which describes the deterioration in behaviour brought about by overcrowding. Experiments conducted involving forcing animals to live in close proximity to each other and grossly infringing their personal boundaries ultimately led to the test subjects exhibiting extremely violent behaviour.

[Chip Harrison]

Wow, you are full of assumptions, yet I've read it wrong. Ok mate. Jog on and find someone else to call racist because their views differ from yours. Typical keyboard warrior with such bs.

What the hell is a sink estate? must be a northern saying. As lads, we would say people were from the ghetto if they were from the rough estates. It was a lighthearted comment with no racist overtones. If you believe that a serving MP would be stupid enough to be outright racist to a colleague in a public forum, you obviously hold them at a different esteem to me.

I'm sorry if the above hurts your feelings though petal.

Hmmm..quite an aggressive post. I have obviously touched a nerve......petal.

[martin_p]

I think it's great that Ringo is finally calling out racism when he see's it. Of course he won't be able to use the terms SJW and libtard anymore now he's seen the light, but I'm happy he finally gets it.

[Foshiznik]

Hmmm..quite an aggressive post. I have obviously touched a nerve......petal.

It's not aggressive at all. I just don't like how you can just call me racist without some sort of retort.

[Foshiznik]

Funny how the anti-PC brigade are piling on. They're welcome to, of course, the comment is unacceptable from an elected representative and must be apologised for, but it's just funny that they're never this eager to wade in on the side of political correctness when it's a UKIP or Tory idiot making racist comments. Then its "look at you snowflakes getting outraged on others' behalf".

Trust IT to post some self righteous bs. Don't you have a fuel refinery to blockade or a derelict business property to squat in?

[Imploding Turtle]

Trust IT to post some self righteous bs. Don't you have a fuel refinery to blockade or a derelict business property to squat in?

I refer you back to post #27

[TVC15]

Just because it's in the dictionary does not mean anybody uses it.
I have literally never heard anyone use the term sink estate - yet heard lots of people use the term ghetto and use that term for areas like Stoneyholme or Nelson. Also heard people using it to describe some of the recent groups of immigrants from parts of Eastern Europe who end up in deprived areas and in little communities with other poor families.

Of course ghetto is also associated with black people - its origins being in America.

Personally I was not aware it was exclusive to black people.

Like I said it does not matter what I think - if a reputable group representing black minorities agrees it's racist then she should be sacked.

For the want of a better phrase it's not "black or white" though and some of the hysterical comments on this thread calling people racist for raising a valid question are ridiculous

[claretandy]

Jared O'Mara tries to be the first Labour MP sacked for making sexist and homophobic comments,
Emma Dent Coad, "hold my drink"....

[UpTheBeehole]

Jared O'Mara tries to be the first Labour MP sacked for making sexist and homophobic comments,
Emma Dent Coad, "hold my drink"....

Why, what sexist and homophobic comments has Emma Dent Coad made?

[RingoMcCartney]

I'll say it again; should Sean Dyche have taken disciplinary action with Andre Gray when his disgracefully homophobic tweets from 2012 were uncovered?

Sean didn't need to do. He was suspended by the FA. He was dealt with accordingly and proportionately.

Stop deflecting. What do you think should happen to the blatantly racist Labour MP that we are discussing today?

[RingoMcCartney]

Someone describing themselves in a particular way, in public, would be hoping for it to be repeated further, if in politics.

This is not racism.

It quite clearly is.

Oh no. Hang on. It's a Labour MP that's described a black politician as a "token ghetto boy".

Yes you're right! Its absolutely not racist!!!!

[Spijed]

It quite clearly is.......

The irony of you saying someone else is a racist....

[basil6345789]

She might just be a misandrist.

[Rick_Muller]

I've read all the highly politicised news articles about this, does anyone have a link to what she actually wrote, i.e. a link to the blog where she has committed this heinous crime? That way we can all make our own judgements based upon what she actually wrote (or said) as opposed to siding with whichever red top rag puts their spin on it and have our opinions fed to us.

[UpTheBeehole]

The Tories and the right have been desperate to find any dirt on Emma Dent Coad after she won Kensington.

They tried blaming her for Grenfell, which didn't stick, and now after 6 months of digging they've found a blog where she quoted someone else, and applied it to her.

Pathetic.

[Chobulous]

On reflection I don't personally think Emma Dent Coad is a rabid racist but I do think she is profoundly stupid. This is the second occasion she has publicly put her mouth into gear without first engaging her brain. She is obviously a loose cannon who says things that she imagines to be very clever or will resonate with her limited listening group without putting any thought into how her words will be received by a wider audience. She's like the young Chinese lad in Gran Torino, swearing in the barber's shop and totally missing the way it should be done. Shaun Bailey comes across to me as a political wide boy of the worst sort and she has blundered straight into his hands. She is a liability because of her apparent inability to make rational choices, not because she holds any particularly extreme views

[Rick_Muller]

It's OK I've found it.

http://emmadentcoad.blogspot.co.uk/2010 ... -done.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

I cant really see anything wrong there from someone who is inferring the use of the "ghetto" terminology originated from Shaun Bailey himself. She is right to highlight that it appears that he is a token individual, but I also agree that she is wrong to use the terminology she does, and she has apologised for that.

[Lancasterclaret]

Like Chobulous, I've had a think and its not something you should have to resign for.

Very silly thing to post though

[basil6345789]

The word ghetto originallydescribed poor Jewish parts of cities

[UpTheBeehole]

Shaun Bailey has tried his hardest over the years to paint himself as being brought up on a rough estate, or the 'ghetto' as some might say, when in fact he was brought up in a much more well-to-do area.

He employed someone to edit the wikipedia pages for him and a rival, where any mention of his more privileged upbringing was removed, playing on the 'fact' he'd been brought up in a tough area.

If anyone has tried to portray anyone as a 'ghetto boy', it's Shaun Bailey, portraying himself as that

https://www.theguardian.com/uk/davehill ... es-changes

[Guich]

Funny how the anti-PC brigade are piling on. They're welcome to, of course, the comment is unacceptable from an elected representative and must be apologised for, but it's just funny that they're never this eager to wade in on the side of political correctness when it's a UKIP or Tory idiot making racist comments. Then its "look at you snowflakes getting outraged on others' behalf".

I think the anti-pc brigade is wading in on the grounds of hypocrisy, not from Emma Dent Coad, but from her party

[Chobulous]

It was first used in Venice and its origins are obviously Italian. Like a quite a few things its original meaning has been changed or in this case restricted - ie most people now think of deprived black (for want of knowing the currently acceptable term) communities when using the word ghetto rather than any enclosed community of one ethnic group.

[RingoMcCartney]

The irony of you saying someone else is a racist....

I'm not. There's a difference between being concerned about the EFFECTS of uncontrolled mass immigration. And hating immigrants.

Are you saying she isn't racist?

[Rick_Muller]

It was first used in Venice and its origins are obviously Italian. Like a quite a few things its original meaning has been changed or in this case restricted - ie most people now think of deprived black (for want of knowing the currently acceptable term) communities when using the word ghetto rather than any enclosed community of one ethnic group.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ghetto" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

you have to scroll a fair way down the page on Wikipedia to find a reference to the African-American ghettos that you want to describe as being the definition for the word. Personally I recognise it as an area of deprivation in a city as the majority of people would, but I understand the confusion.

[Damo]

It's not a patch on what they say about Jews on an almost daily basis.
It just proves how hypocritical the left are, both with comments like these, and the reaction to them by Labour supporters on forums like this