Tark's Goal offside?

[2 Bee Holed]

IMO and I can see CT agrees, Tarks was not offside for his disallowed goal.

When the corner is flicked on, No 5 (Tark's) is definitely inline.
I admit 2 other Burnley players are in an offside position.

I would love to know why the goal was not given.
Was it assumed that Barnes was Tarks, i.e. mistaken identity?
Was it deemed Barnes was obstructing the keepers' vision?
The way Tarks just sprints back and gets on with the game is admirable.

Opinions?

[mdd2]

I watched it several times but in real time and I think he is offside but the shots I have seen never show it from the assistant's viewpoint making it difficult to see if he is level or not.

[bobinho]

Offside. Dunno what else to say really. Watched it a few times and it seems conclusive to me.

[piston broke]

I watched it several times but in real time and I think he is offside but the shots I have seen never show it from the assistant's viewpoint making it difficult to see if he is level or not.

You have the point. He is onside, they are level. The defender playing him on is behind Tarks to the lino. He probably never saw him with all the movement involved.

[2 Bee Holed]

bobinho. Are you making the same mistaken identity error?
We must all be watching the same camera angle.
I watched on my nephew's Sky Highlights last night.
So I cannot post a screen shot, can anyone?
I suspect we are not debating this because it was not on MOTD.

[Steve-Harpers-perm]

bobinho. Are you making the same mistaken identity error?
We must all be watching the same camera angle.
I watched on my nephew's Sky Highlights last night.
So I cannot post a screen shot, can anyone?
I suspect we are not debating this because it was not on MOTD.

Looked offside on MOTD.

[mdd2]

Well if he was onside that's good it was chalked off. Means we are owed one plus the one from Arsenal in 09-10 and then the two errors from Arsenal last season-so can we please have 'em all back next Sunday-Burnley 4 Arsenal 0. And can history repeat itself from 1953 when we play them away-that would be brill.

[piston broke]

Sorry for the lack of quality but the ball is on Sam's head and the Swansea 4 is level with Tarks but behind him from the linos side.
The next player to touch the ball was Tarks header, which hit the bar, then he knocked it in.

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[mdd2]

Well done that man-so I retract-but still keep it in the bank please for Sunday

[2 Bee Holed]

Thank you Piston Broke.
I just hope that goal doesn't keep us out of Europe!
We have had heartache before over 1 goal in a season, remember the Gazza season?

[dushanbe]

Tarks was in line possibly with a player in front and almost certainly from one behind. From the linos perspective, he sees a lot of movement from claret shirts and the swansea players moving away from goal. Its onside, but seen once at full speed from the linos view, its not hard to see why it was flagged.

[ClaretTony]

It's a downright bad decision from the assistant if Tarkowski is not offside.

[IanMcL]

It was showing at Turf Moor, as I left on Saturday and it was clearly onside....from a linos angle too!

We stuffed 'em.



Ps That goal and the pens given against and not for us, better not keep us out of the Champions League!

[evensteadiereddie]

I assumed the offside was given against Barnes.
It's funny on MOTD when the goal is disallowed and Vokes, grinning wryly, points it out to Tarks with something like "Tarky, it's off"..............

[UpTheBeehole]

Lino was straight up with his flag, but seeing the replays it looks like he got it wrong, maybe thinking that it was Barnes or Ward who'd put it in.

If he'd waited a second and thought about it he'd have made the correct decision.

[ClaretTony]

If he'd waited a second and thought about it he'd have made the correct decision.

Which is exactly what Martin Atkinson did all afternoon in the middle which helped him get a lot of decisions correct.

[Hipper]

Looking at that picture, if you draw a line between Tarks and defender and compare that to the goal box line, the lines diverge a bit. Tarks could well be offside. Only someone in line could really tell and that was the assistant referee.

[D8BFC]

Cost me £130 that decision with Tarky being 12/1 anytime goalscorer

[Ric_C]

I was dead inline with this from the Bob Lord.

In real time, my gut instinct was that he was onside. If we'd been losing or drawing 0-0 I'd have gone ape.

In the linesman's defence it did happen very quickly, and the 2 Burnley players in offside positions caused a bit of confusion

[UpTheBeehole]

Looking at that picture, if you draw a line between Tarks and defender and compare that to the goal box line, the lines diverge a bit. Tarks could well be offside. Only someone in line could really tell and that was the assistant referee.

I assume you're looking at Tarks and the defender nearest to him. If you look across the line at the defender nearest Barnes, he's almost certainly playing him on.

That said, the screen grab doesn't look like the exact split second the ball was played, and a lot could change in the time between screen shot and the ball leaving Vokes' head.

[CnBtruntru]

I thought he was on side even when they showed the replay on telly, I thought the call was against Barnes or Ward for interfering.

[turfytopper]

Sorry for the lack of quality but the ball is on Sam's head and the Swansea 4 is level with Tarks but behind him from the linos side.
The next player to touch the ball was Tarks header, which hit the bar, then he knocked it in.

IMG_20171120_082236.jpg

Great pic.
Tarks is clearly on side - however there is a player standing in an offside position between Tarks and where I assume the keeper would be.
That being the case, that player is offside as he is "interfering with an opponent".

In law you are offside by becoming active "playing the ball"
Gaining an advantage...."eg the ball is spilled by the keeper toward you ad you were in an offside position when the shot was taken"
Interfering with an opponent The most obvious example of this is "standing in the line of sight of the keeper"

[piston broke]

Great pic.
Tarks is clearly on side - however there is a player standing in an offside position between Tarks and where I assume the keeper would be.
That being the case, that player is offside as he is "interfering with an opponent".

All your points are correct but the keeper wasn't obscured. The ball went over his head to hit the bar and he was between the 2 Clarets. I can see that the lino might have flagged thinking they were obstructing but he was wrong.

[RalphCoatesComb]

Good job it wasn't Arsenal hitting the back of the net. It would have been a Goal, a Penalty to Arsenal and Barnes sent off simply for being on the pitch

[claretspice]

Its clearly onside.

A bit surprised Atkinson hasn't taken more stick for this. Fair enough, we were 2 up at the time and it was unlikely to affect the result. But one goal back from Swansea could have changed the feel.

If the lino simply thought Tarks was offside when he first headed it, then fair enough, its a mistake and these things happen. But if the question was about anyone else being offside, then its a much greyer area - and actually Atkinson had a much better view of that.

I thought at the time that Atkinson should have gone over and spoken to the lino to clarify matters, and I've definitely not changed my view. Felt like poor refereeing, as well as line-running.

[turfytopper]

Its clearly onside.

If the lino simply thought Tarks was offside when he first headed it, then fair enough, its a mistake and these things happen. But if the question was about anyone else being offside, then its a much greyer area - and actually Atkinson had a much better view of that.

I thought at the time that Atkinson should have gone over and spoken to the lino to clarify matters, and I've definitely not changed my view. Felt like poor refereeing, as well as line-running.

Spot on - if we are assuming that the lino flagged for the player interfering (sensible considering where he is), the referee would from his superior viewpoint then decide whether that player was in fact obscuring the goalkeeper. From the lino's view that would be difficult to work out. As you rightly said, they should have come up with the correct decision together...in refereeing circles they say the lino has some of the info and the ref has the rest.

If Atkinson had have gone over to the lino (whilst not necessary as they are connected) then he would have "sold" the decision to everyone in the ground, watching on tele etc etc and we'd all be saying superb refereeing.

Or did Atkinson think there was interference?

[HiroshimaClaret]

IMO and I can see CT agrees, Tarks was not offside for his disallowed goal.

When the corner is flicked on, No 5 (Tark's) is definitely inline.
I admit 2 other Burnley players are in an offside position.

I would love to know why the goal was not given.
Was it assumed that Barnes was Tarks, i.e. mistaken identity?
Was it deemed Barnes was obstructing the keepers' vision?
The way Tarks just sprints back and gets on with the game is admirable.

Opinions?

The way he just brushed the disappointment of and charged back into position like a man possessed also caught my eye. A good `un!!!!

[Spike]

I was dead inline with this from the Bob Lord.

In real time, my gut instinct was that he was onside. If we'd been losing or drawing 0-0 I'd have gone ape.

In the linesman's defence it did happen very quickly, and the 2 Burnley players in offside positions caused a bit of confusion

Problem is there are too may confused Referees and Linesmen!

[turfytopper]

IMO and I can see CT agrees, Tarks was not offside for his disallowed goal.

When the corner is flicked on, No 5 (Tark's) is definitely inline.
I admit 2 other Burnley players are in an offside position.

I would love to know why the goal was not given.
Was it assumed that Barnes was Tarks, i.e. mistaken identity?
Was it deemed Barnes was obstructing the keepers' vision?
The way Tarks just sprints back and gets on with the game is admirable.

Opinions?

I've finally got round to watching MOTD....I agree the goal
was good

[IanMcL]

Goalllllll!!!!!!!!!!
Tarkowskiiiiiiiii



What we deserved!