More post brexit referendum good news!!!!

[Bfcboyo]

The reality

Has that been done at nursery or is there some substance in those circles. Who collated the information and produced your sperm count chart.

[Lancasterclaret]

It says at the bottom of the graph.

(face palm moment for you there mate)

[UpTheBeehole]

Unbelievable. Yeah I'd love it if you used absolutely anyone's self employed services and simply didn't pay them..... And they came round and smashed your teeth in and you had to pay a very expensive Dentist to rebuild your horrible little face.

As charming as ever.

Common theme of violence within your posts, isn't there?

Roughest 'female' there is.

[RingoMcCartney]

No doubt Scottish people will be buying lots of cheap booze before their minimum price per unit comes in and that is exactly what is happening here. Just about every "expert" is predicting major problems for the UK economy when we finally leave the EU.

We are turning our backs on the largest trading block in the world and "Little Englanders" like you are the root cause of the s££tstorm that is gonna hit this country if this mindless, xenophobic, ill informed race to the bottom isn't reversed.

UK manufacturing order books at strongest level since 1988, CBI.

What's mindless, xenophobic and ill informed about such great news?

And it's great news that the lying Remoaners "experts" promised the British people would never happen if we voted to leave the EU. And you fell for their blatant lies and scaremongering! Didn't you! And your an embarrassed Little Europeaner, that refuses to believe there's a whole world out that that the UK can trade and thrive with.

Try celebrating fantastic news. Instead of wallowing in self loathing, Anglophobia and keeping your fingers crossed for the economic Armageddon that your side promised.

[SammyBoy]

As charming as ever.

Common theme of violence within your posts, isn't there?

Roughest 'female' there is.

Rougher than Pat Butchers coat.

[UpTheBeehole]

Rougher than Pat Butchers coat.

Rougher than that circular cafe in market square.

[thatdberight]

The reality

What's your point with this graph?

[UpTheBeehole]

Business Insider:

Tory MPs all tweeting a cropped Times headline which says "Factory orders keep booming since Brexit"

Actual headline: "Factory orders keep booming since Brexit cut value of pound"

[aggi]

And yet GDP growth is getting ever lower and is forecast to drop even more (lowest in the past 30 years or so). Something doesn't quite tally.

[Healeywoodclaret]

As charming as ever.

Common theme of violence within your posts, isn't there?

Roughest 'female' there is.

Rough? Ha ha hilarious! If you weren't so vicious and nasty I would find you funny! What's up do you not like the idea of having your teeth kicked in? You just keep hiding behind your keyboard sonny you can insult as many people as you like and you might save yourself that dentists bill!

[evensteadiereddie]

Classy.

[Spiral]

Wait a minute, haven't you just described democracy? Great when it works for you isn't it.

Well I haven't quite described anything, really, but considering you brought it up it's fair to say that the EU referendum vote was one of those instances where democracy slips into demagoguery. A functioning democracy assumes an informed electorate. This has been a valid criticism of democracy going right back to ancient Greece and the disastrous Sicilian expedition.

[Damo]

No doubt Scottish people will be buying lots of cheap booze before their minimum price per unit comes in and that is exactly what is happening here. Just about every "expert" is predicting major problems for the UK economy when we finally leave the EU.

We are turning our backs on the largest trading block in the world and "Little Englanders" like you are the root cause of the s££tstorm that is gonna hit this country if this mindless, xenophobic, ill informed race to the bottom isn't reversed.

Calling something xenophobic, while implying Scottish people are alcoholics is brilliant

[Damo]

As charming as ever.

Common theme of violence within your posts, isn't there?

Roughest 'female' there is.

Didn't you say you want to knock out anyone from the political right once?

[Healeywoodclaret]

He probably did. Proper vile little scrote. He says a lot of things bur hey don't mention kicking someone's teeth in. That's not politically correct. Say what you like if you are coming from the left mind.

[Bordeauxclaret]

Have you ever kicked someone’s teeth in healy?

[Dejavu]

Calling something xenophobic, while implying Scottish people are alcoholics is brilliant

Not really!! It would be the same for literally any country in the world. If people are told that something is going to increase in price, naturally they will stock up beforehand.

[Bfcboyo]

It says at the bottom of the graph.

(face palm moment for you there mate)

Oooomph.

Just got up from that palm. I had already googled those 'independent' surveyors of the circle chart before i responded to your pointless chart.

Snigger snigger .

Its just more uncomfirmed guess work from biased little losers like yourself sent out questioning other biased little remain losers .

Can you imagine the volunteers for any survey used to compile that both asking and answering .

[Dazzler]

No doubt Scottish people will be buying lots of cheap booze

Discriminative stereotyping.

[Walton]

Oooomph.

Just got up from that palm. I had already googled those 'independent' surveyors of the circle chart before i responded to your pointless chart.

Snigger snigger .

Its just more uncomfirmed guess work from biased little losers like yourself sent out questioning other biased little remain losers .

Can you imagine the volunteers for any survey used to compile that both asking and answering .

Are you saying that the Office for National Statistics is biased?

[Dejavu]

Discriminative stereotyping.

Not really!! It would be the same for literally any country in the world. If people are told that something is going to increase in price, naturally they will stock up beforehand.

Like I said earlier.

[Dazzler]

I'm not offended but some might be....
But why "Scottish people" rather than "Pissheads"

[Lancasterclaret]

Oooomph.

Just got up from that palm. I had already googled those 'independent' surveyors of the circle chart before i responded to your pointless chart.

Snigger snigger .

Its just more uncomfirmed guess work from biased little losers like yourself sent out questioning other biased little remain losers .

Can you imagine the volunteers for any survey used to compile that both asking and answering .

I get it. You don't like the facts, so its ********.

Doesn't say a lot for you though does it?

[Walton]

I can't see any mention of there being a survey in order to collate that data. Can you explain why you think that bfcboyo?

[Imploding Turtle]

I can't see any mention of there being a survey in order to collate that data. Can you explain why you think that bfcboyo?

He wanted to make it seem like he did some form of fact checking but because he's not the sharpest knife in the drawer his false representation actually proves that he did absolutely nothing to verify anything.

He's not doing anything for the argument that Leave voters are intelligent too.

[evensteadiereddie]

He probably did. Proper vile little scrote. He says a lot of things bur hey don't mention kicking someone's teeth in. That's not politically correct. Say what you like if you are coming from the left mind.

Nothing to do with being politically correct or coming from the left - you threaten to kick someone's teeth in and you're a dick, end of.
I'm surprised the mods allow you to post the crap you do.

[CrosspoolClarets]

Unless I am mistaken that graph of Lancasters won ‘Geek Of The Week’ on Peston On Sunday.

I remember having a debate about it with a guy from the FT.

It is more depressing evidence I am turning into a leftie.

The people who made the graph are implying that the folk who live in those poor communities are taking part in an act of self harm by voting Leave. My sense is that people deserve more credit.

The Localis research suggests that workers in those areas are vulnerable to automation, skills shortages and migrant worker shortfalls.

I would argue that migrant workers leaving will push up wages, putting more pressure on companies but those workers know what they are doing. I would also argue that automation is best implemented with more local decision making, by strengthening national government and rolling out more powers to local government. Then workers will be protected from excessive cost cutting.

Agree or disagree, as usual it is condescending in the extreme to imply people don’t know what they are voting for. I have come to realise that for these people, the status quo doesn’t work, and they are entitled to try something different. The more they are insulted for that choice, the fiercer they will dig their heels in.

[Imploding Turtle]

Unbelievable. Yeah I'd love it if you used absolutely anyone's self employed services and simply didn't pay them..... And they came round and smashed your teeth in and you had to pay a very expensive Dentist to rebuild your horrible little face.

Rough? Ha ha hilarious! If you weren't so vicious and nasty I would find you funny! What's up do you not like the idea of having your teeth kicked in? You just keep hiding behind your keyboard sonny you can insult as many people as you like and you might save yourself that dentists bill!

He probably did. Proper vile little scrote. He says a lot of things bur hey don't mention kicking someone's teeth in. That's not politically correct. Say what you like if you are coming from the left mind.

You must feel completely inadequate to be so frustrated with your life that you'll go on the internet and get this angry.

[Dejavu]

I'm not offended but some might be....
But why "Scottish people" rather than "Pissheads"

I'm pretty sure they would be more likely to be offended by being called "pissheads" than "Scottish People." I'm not quite sure when "Scottish People" became an offensive term.

[Lancasterclaret]

I'm not disagreeing with any of your last paragraph. IT does our cause no favours however daft the post by bfcboyo was, but the evidence is screaming at everyone that our part of the world is going to take a hit, and shouting at people like me about remoaning and talking Britain down is not going to change that one iota.

The scenario you've outlined in the rest of your post is a Brexiteers wet dream though, and not based on anything other than wishful thinking sadly.

[Dazzler]

I'm pretty sure they would be more likely to be offended by being called "pissheads" than "Scottish People." I'm not quite sure when "Scottish People" became an offensive term.

ffs...'Pissheads' in general...I wasn't referring to any particular group.

[UpTheBeehole]

Didn't you say you want to knock out anyone from the political right once?

I never said anything of the sort.

What I did say was that if someone went out into the street and came out with the racist bile which comes out on here, then someone would more than likely knock them out.

Completely different things.

[UpTheBeehole]

He probably did. Proper vile little scrote. He says a lot of things bur hey don't mention kicking someone's teeth in. That's not politically correct. Say what you like if you are coming from the left mind.

You're a vile creature aren't you.

Does your husband know you're like this on the internet?

Bet he met classier girls down on the docks in Liverpool

[Damo]

Unless I am mistaken that graph of Lancasters won ‘Geek Of The Week’ on Peston On Sunday.

I remember having a debate about it with a guy from the FT.

It is more depressing evidence I am turning into a leftie.

The people who made the graph are implying that the folk who live in those poor communities are taking part in an act of self harm by voting Leave. My sense is that people deserve more credit.

The Localis research suggests that workers in those areas are vulnerable to automation, skills shortages and migrant worker shortfalls.

I would argue that migrant workers leaving will push up wages, putting more pressure on companies but those workers know what they are doing. I would also argue that automation is best implemented with more local decision making, by strengthening national government and rolling out more powers to local government. Then workers will be protected from excessive cost cutting.

Agree or disagree, as usual it is condescending in the extreme to imply people don’t know what they are voting for. I have come to realise that for these people, the status quo doesn’t work, and they are entitled to try something different. The more they are insulted for that choice, the fiercer they will dig their heels in.

One of the best posts I have seen on here re: brexit

[Lancasterclaret]

Because it backs up your view.

You know as well as I do that its missing that crucial bit that convinces people.

FACTS

Like I said, it sounds great, but its the dream scenario for Brexiteers.

[RingoMcCartney]

Unless I am mistaken that graph of Lancasters won ‘Geek Of The Week’ on Peston On Sunday.

I remember having a debate about it with a guy from the FT.

It is more depressing evidence I am turning into a leftie.

The people who made the graph are implying that the folk who live in those poor communities are taking part in an act of self harm by voting Leave. My sense is that people deserve more credit.

The Localis research suggests that workers in those areas are vulnerable to automation, skills shortages and migrant worker shortfalls.

I would argue that migrant workers leaving will push up wages, putting more pressure on companies but those workers know what they are doing. I would also argue that automation is best implemented with more local decision making, by strengthening national government and rolling out more powers to local government. Then workers will be protected from excessive cost cutting.

Agree or disagree, as usual it is condescending in the extreme to imply people don’t know what they are voting for. I have come to realise that for these people, the status quo doesn’t work, and they are entitled to try something different. The more they are insulted for that choice, the fiercer they will dig their heels in.

Fine post boss!

What Remoaners like Lancaster claret (aka the UTC funeral director) don't seem to be able to accept is. That The British proletariat have had 40 odd years to judge whether or not membership of the EU has benefited them, their towns and their their country. And more of the same is not good enough.

Combine that with confusing education with common sense and intelligence. And that's why he and his ilk come across as sneering, supercilious, pseudo intellectuals who portray themselves as intellectual behemoths.

Despite coming across as a poor man's James Obrian. He's probably not a bad bloke.....

[nil_desperandum]

The people who made the graph are implying that the folk who live in those poor communities are taking part in an act of self harm by voting Leave. My sense is that people deserve more credit.

.

So exactly how will turning the UK into some kind of "off-shore tax haven" (with a corresponding reduction in public services), benefit poor communities?. Aligning themselves with the likes of Redwood, James Dyson and the other wealthy brexiteers, is not going to turn out well for them.
Added to this, they will now be deprived of all the EU money that went to the poorer regions of the UK.
For 2014-20, Greater Manchester was allocated €413.8 million, Liverpool City Region €220.9 million, Lancashire €265.2 million, Cumbria €91 million, and Cheshire and Warrington €141.6 million. (On average Burnley has benefited by £5 million /year)
This is in stark contrast to the funding cuts imposed on the region by central govt.

[Damo]

I never said anything of the sort.

What I did say was that if someone went out into the street and came out with the racist bile which comes out on here, then someone would more than likely knock them out.

Completely different things.

Ok, we will meet in the middle.
You said anyone proffessing right wing views in public would quite rightly get knocked out.
You never mentioned racism or biggotory.

[Bfcboyo]

He wanted to make it seem like he did some form of fact checking but because he's not the sharpest knife in the drawer his false representation actually proves that he did absolutely nothing to verify anything.

He's not doing anything for the argument that Leave voters are intelligent too.

IT unblocked

Sharp enough to know a fool when I read it in black and white pumpkin seed. That job is waiting for your endless unfilled research hours whilst you gain minimal life experience on here.

' He's not presenting anything in his argument that remain voters have intellectual prowess over the leave camp either'

Trumped up little gob Shoite so you are.

IT blocked again

[Damo]

Because it backs up your view.

You know as well as I do that its missing that crucial bit that convinces people.

FACTS

Like I said, it sounds great, but its the dream scenario for Brexiteers.

It highlights just how arrogant some people are, when discussing other people's issues.
Telling people what you consider to be the best for them hasn't got your side of the referendum anywhere up to now. Yet you still persevere with the same attitude.

[Imploding Turtle]

IT unblocked

Sharp enough to know a fool when I read it in black and white pumpkin seed. That job is waiting for your endless unfilled research hours whilst you gain minimal life experience on here.

' He's not presenting anything in his argument that remain voters have intellectual prowess over the leave camp either'

Trumped up little gob Shoite so you are.

IT blocked again

Imagine being such a coward that you have to block someone lest they point out inconvenient facts.

Here's what it looks like when you're not afraid of other people challenging your views

[Walton]

The professional brexiteers all have one common aim: Deregulation.

The bottom end of the job market is in real danger if that happens

[Bfcboyo]

I'm pretending it's my joining in with social B.S. and forum satire . It is not real , 90 percent of this isn't . And the other 10 % is just the utter balls you come up with.

[Lancasterclaret]

Christ Damo, telling you lot that your beliefs are not based on fact isn't anything other me telling you lot that your beliefs are not based on anything other than fact.

Its not arrogance to point that out!

It is arrogance to ignore it though!

[Damo]

Christ Damo, telling you lot that your beliefs are not based on fact isn't anything other me telling you lot that your beliefs are not based on anything other than fact.

Its not arrogance to point that out!

It is arrogance to ignore it though!

You didn't post any facts Lancaster.
You posted some obscure chart, and linked it to Brexit.

You, like the person who generated it, attempted to use the graph to make out that Brexit was a bad thing for people in low paid jobs. when in fact, it just highlights that the status quo is a bad thing for for people on low paid jobs.
It might scare some people, but the post above pulled it apart quite nicely.

[kritichris]

The brexit threads on non political forums should be banned, they sow so much dissension and generate bad feeling, nobody knows what's fake news or stats or what is real. Slag each other off on FB which seems the norm now and let's get on with football.

[Sidney1st]

No one really knows what's going to happen with Brexit, it's mainly guess work on both sides.

[CrosspoolClarets]

No one really knows what's going to happen with Brexit, it's mainly guess work on both sides.

The above is the only fact on this subject today.

The rest is just opinion. In some cases educated, in others not, but everyone is entitled to one.

I wasn’t arguing that the Brexiteers in those small towns like Burnley have it right - it wasn’t the reason I voted Brexit. I simply respect their right to decide, and feel offended on their behalfs by continuous “research” trying to imply these people are thick in an obvious attempt to nudge down public opinion a few percent.

To Remainers I would say this - think back to that horrible feeling you felt on the morning after the referendum when you felt sick to your stomach, feeling like you had woken up in a foreign country, feeling disregarded and disillusioned. Now imagine feeling that way every day of your lives. Many, not all, of the 52% feel that, without them being racist or even xenophobic. That’s why they deserve a generous dollop of respect, and, as a minimum, some political attention.

[Spiral]

Yeah, they wake up every single day feeling as though they are in a foreign country, buy they totes aren't xenophobes or owt.

[kritichris]

Many, not all, of the 52% feel that, without them being racist or even xenophobic. That’s why they deserve a generous dollop of respect, and, as a minimum, some political attention.

37.5% of the electorate voted to leave.