Oh dear! Michael

bfccrazy · Post by **bfccrazy** » Thu Nov 23, 2017 10:16 pm

snail12345 wrote:Gents great chat tonight, as a member and poster on Clarets Mad since 2003 and regular poster and follower and then becoming a member on here at the beginning of last year, tonight was my first post on UTC thanks for a good night and conversation.

Look forward to seeing you hopefully post more mate.

longside72 · Post by **longside72** » Thu Nov 23, 2017 10:16 pm

He should be giving ben mee at least 10k a week for getting him the contract he's now !!!

snail12345 · Post by **snail12345** » Thu Nov 23, 2017 10:18 pm

Thanks BFCCRAZY

snail12345 · Post by **snail12345** » Thu Nov 23, 2017 10:19 pm

Roll on Sunday lets turn the gunners over UTC

Funkydrummer · Post by **Funkydrummer** » Thu Nov 23, 2017 10:24 pm

It just shows that it takes time to build a team, a club and a spirit that we have here at
Burnley - five years in fact. Which other premier league club, which is considered to be a
step up for Mr Dyche, is going to afford him that time ?

turfytopper · Post by **turfytopper** » Thu Nov 23, 2017 10:25 pm

I can see Tarkowski going to Russia and not Keane. So if he felt he was progressing his career in leaving the clarets, it may back fire. As he no longer is our player I don't care. He chose to leave, nobody held a gun to his head.
I would have given anything to wear that Claret and blue shirt.

Paul Waine · Post by **Paul Waine** » Thu Nov 23, 2017 10:25 pm

Didn't Michael Keane say he was moving to Everton to work for Koeman?

£30 million mentioned - p45 - but didn't that figure include add-ons? Are Burnley losing some of those add-ons with current situation?

Separate topic: Everton reported by Times today that they have given up on getting Silva from Watford.

UTC

snail12345 · Post by **snail12345** » Thu Nov 23, 2017 10:27 pm

Strangely I seen a article the other day saying if Jose leaves united for PSG Dyche would be a good fit as he is a long term committer.

dermotdermot · Post by **dermotdermot** » Thu Nov 23, 2017 10:30 pm

Are Everton any nearer to appointing a manager yet?

snail12345 · Post by **snail12345** » Thu Nov 23, 2017 10:30 pm

no but I bet they are close to sacking a caretaker

Moorite · Post by **Moorite** » Thu Nov 23, 2017 10:33 pm

He's getting a right pasting on the Everton forum. From "worse defender in the league" to "I'd pay Burnley 30m to take him away".

Funkydrummer · Post by **Funkydrummer** » Thu Nov 23, 2017 10:34 pm

I didn't watch the game, did they put the first team out ?

Or were they saving them for the weekend ?

After all it was a dead rubber.

snail12345 · Post by **snail12345** » Thu Nov 23, 2017 10:34 pm

Moorite post a link please

snail12345 · Post by **snail12345** » Thu Nov 23, 2017 10:35 pm

Funky I don't think they know what their first team is

edenclaret · Post by **edenclaret** » Thu Nov 23, 2017 10:35 pm

Actually. I could see the Dyche one day moving to manage Man U. or L'pool.
Everton would be a v poor move for him.
Keep up the good work Sean!

Funkydrummer · Post by **Funkydrummer** » Thu Nov 23, 2017 10:36 pm

snail12345 wrote:Funky I don't think they know what their first team is

I do, it's sh!t.

Moorite · Post by **Moorite** » Thu Nov 23, 2017 10:37 pm

snail12345 wrote:Moorite post a link please

Page 47 onwards

https://www.grandoldteam.com/forum/thre ... 07/page-47" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

mickleoverclaret · Post by **mickleoverclaret** » Thu Nov 23, 2017 10:37 pm

Funkydrummer wrote:I didn't watch the game, did they put the first team out ?

Or were they saving them for the weekend ?

After all it was a dead rubber.

They put quite a strong team out for saying. Although "strong" is relative for Everton this season

Guitargeorge · Post by **Guitargeorge** » Thu Nov 23, 2017 10:37 pm

Relegation, rebuild and promotion (if it’s as easy as that) would be best for that club.

snail12345 · Post by **snail12345** » Thu Nov 23, 2017 10:45 pm

Moorite wrote:Page 47 onwards

https://www.grandoldteam.com/forum/thre ... 07/page-47" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

wow didn't expect that sort of slating, I find it a bit over the top as I said earlier in the post he looks like he is playing to cover every other defensive position because he doesn't trust his teammates which is leaving him open to be beaten and by the looks of that forum ridiculed.

edenclaret · Post by **edenclaret** » Thu Nov 23, 2017 10:46 pm

Easy to say now. but honestly, never could quite see it with Keane; except ,yes, he used to chip in with an odd (important) goal.
A;ways rated Tarkowski as better.

Juan Tanamera · Post by **Juan Tanamera** » Thu Nov 23, 2017 10:47 pm

Just been watching the highlights(?), at first glance I thought it was fancy dress night at ewood.

duncandisorderly · Post by **duncandisorderly** » Thu Nov 23, 2017 10:51 pm

Everton look like a relegated team.

mickleoverclaret · Post by **mickleoverclaret** » Thu Nov 23, 2017 11:08 pm

edenclaret wrote:Easy to say now. but honestly, never could quite see it with Keane; except ,yes, he used to chip in with an odd (important) goal.
A;ways rated Tarkowski as better.

You were mad mate, he was superb for us.

scouseclaret · Post by **scouseclaret** » Thu Nov 23, 2017 11:22 pm

cricketfieldclarets wrote:Also lots of threads saying how great pickford is. Said it at the time. He is terrible. Done nothing to warrant his price or reputation. Never seen a keeper parry so many shots into danger.

Did you not watch us when Lee Grant was here???

tim_noone · Post by **tim_noone** » Thu Nov 23, 2017 11:26 pm

scouseclaret wrote:Did you not watch us when Lee Grant was here???

You can say that again!

edenclaret · Post by **edenclaret** » Thu Nov 23, 2017 11:32 pm

mickleoverclaret wrote:You were mad mate, he was superb for us.

Yea, It's just the way it was. Keane was great, but ,when I saw Tarkowski give an early cameo appearance, i just thought he was better, and I'm not necessarily yet proved wrong, tho Keano did score those significant winners.

Blackrod · Post by **Blackrod** » Fri Nov 24, 2017 12:01 am

Was still learning when he moved. He left too early in my opinion but money talks now before a player is fully developed. Hope the boo boys keep off his back or his confidence really will be shot.

aggi · Post by **aggi** » Fri Nov 24, 2017 12:04 am

Comment from an Everton fan, clearly Dyche's influence is wearing off:

I think the duck for their third sums him up. Clearly never heard of the phrase “putting your head where it hurts”.

tim_noone · Post by **tim_noone** » Fri Nov 24, 2017 12:20 am

aggi wrote:Comment from an Everton fan, clearly Dyche's influence is wearing off:

I think the duck for their third sums him up. Clearly never heard of the phrase “putting your head where it hurts”.

Yes he seemed odds on to head that one away!

boatshed bill · Post by **boatshed bill** » Fri Nov 24, 2017 12:59 am

Firthy wrote:Even the commentator asked if Keane is being exposed at Everton unlike he was at Burnley. Guess that's a backhanded compliment about out framework and defensive structure.

Structure, and the amazing work done by Ben Mee

snail12345 · Post by **snail12345** » Fri Nov 24, 2017 1:02 am

snail12345 wrote:I cant make my mind up weather that comment was a compliment or a bit dismissive of our great defence, he is exposed because he feels he has to cover everywhere because of the lack of steal from his fellow defenders

as above

IanMcL · Post by **IanMcL** » Fri Nov 24, 2017 1:19 am

He was far from perfect for us. However, often he was covered by teammates and he covered for them.
Everton do not possess that degree of organisation.

bfccrazy · Post by **bfccrazy** » Fri Nov 24, 2017 1:24 am

We seem to have a better shape without him as I found Mee would sit over the pitch to his side more always ready to cover him - with Tark in Mee seems to be in the more natural CB position on his side. Seems like Mee trusts Tark more not to make a simple mistakr than he did Keane.

Rowls · Post by **Rowls** » Fri Nov 24, 2017 1:28 am

Moorite wrote:He's getting a right pasting on the Everton forum. From "worse defender in the league" to "I'd pay Burnley 30m to take him away".

Silly Scousers. They already paid us £30million to take him away.

Clarets4me · Post by **Clarets4me** » Fri Nov 24, 2017 4:03 am

Worth a cheeky bid ?

Offer them £3m, and then sell them Tarks for £35m....

Goodclaret · Post by **Goodclaret** » Fri Nov 24, 2017 4:47 am

Geeeez, absolutely scathing attacks on Keano on that messageboard. I think it's been very unfortunate for him to join Everton at this time while they look absolutely lost. However good player you are, you can't fit in to a squad smoothly when there is so much unrest about the place.

Culmclaret · Post by **Culmclaret** » Fri Nov 24, 2017 9:06 am

Keane did very well for us after he settled in, but how many times but he really exposed? He looked very solid as part of the two banks of four, he was good in the air, had a bit of pace and his confidence on the ball made him stand out. I am not sure who would look good stuck next to Ashley Williams with that midefield in front of him, but £40m plus for him and Gray looks like cracking business.

BennyD · Post by **BennyD** » Fri Nov 24, 2017 9:23 am

I find it a bit strange that he would fit straight back into, and be an integral part of, a top 7 team with a rock solid defence yet can't even play football in a bottom 3 team. That probably shows the vital importance of the team spirit SD goes to great lengths to instil. On that showing I very much doubt SD would entertain an approach from that burst-bomb of a club. Also it looks like at least one of the 3 relegation slots is now filled.

jlup1980 · Post by **jlup1980** » Fri Nov 24, 2017 9:43 am

If you leave your back 4 exposed you concede goals, it's as simple as that. We defend from the front - whether it's Barnes, Wood or Vokes up top. Everyone puts a shift in, does the donkey work and it's paying dividends. The difference in players like JBG and Brady since they first signed shows just how much importance is put on working for the team. Whenever I see Keane he always seems to be stepping out of his back 3 or 4 to try and challenge a player the defensive mids should be dealing with. You can't do that at the top level because a simple pass beyond him takes him out of the game. He was never exposed in the same way for us.

I still think Everton have the basis of a decent team when everyone is fit, they just need to fill a couple of gaps!

Pickford
Coleman Keane NEW Baines
Schneiderlin Gueye
Mirallas Sigurdsson Bolasie
NEW

Nothing up with that sort of team. The two defensive mids should offer the defence cover but allow the full backs to push on and support the attackers. They're missing a Lukaku type striker and a dependable Ben Mee type CB.

LoveCurryPies · Post by **LoveCurryPies** » Fri Nov 24, 2017 9:45 am

I suspect Sean makes it very clear what each player's role is. No confusion...everyone knows what everybody else is doing. Simple.

KRBFC · Post by **KRBFC** » Fri Nov 24, 2017 9:50 am

He's absolutely sh**e and definitely not the best English centre half or future England captain like some idiots on here were saying. Some on here were actually saying Keane's a better footballer than Stones

Hilarious really

KRBFC · Post by **KRBFC** » Fri Nov 24, 2017 9:53 am

Culmclaret wrote:Keane did very well for us after he settled in, but how many times but he really exposed? He looked very solid as part of the two banks of four, he was good in the air, had a bit of pace and his confidence on the ball made him stand out. I am not sure who would look good stuck next to Ashley Williams with that midefield in front of him, but £40m plus for him and Gray looks like cracking business.

Ashley Williams is a good defender, has been throughout his PL career. Looks lost next to a poor player like Keane.

MACCA · Post by **MACCA** » Fri Nov 24, 2017 10:17 am

jlup1980 wrote:
Pickford
Coleman Keane NEW Baines
Schneiderlin Gueye
Mirallas Sigurdsson Bolasie
NEW

Are you mad?
Where's the boy wonder who's 10m transfer and 200k a week wages were possibly the business of the summer?

I'm still looking forward to cleaning up from my bets on him not hitting 12 league goals even though he takes every free kick and penalty.

The under 20 in all comps is already all but in.

Tall Paul · Post by **Tall Paul** » Fri Nov 24, 2017 10:17 am

BennyD wrote:I find it a bit strange that he would fit straight back into, and be an integral part of, a top 7 team with a rock solid defence yet can't even play football in a bottom 3 team. That probably shows the vital importance of the team spirit SD goes to great lengths to instil. On that showing I very much doubt SD would entertain an approach from that burst-bomb of a club. Also it looks like at least one of the 3 relegation slots is now filled.

They're not in the bottom 3 and I don't think they'll be in much danger of relegation.

BennyD · Post by **BennyD** » Fri Nov 24, 2017 10:35 pm

KRBFC · Post by **KRBFC** » Fri Nov 24, 2017 10:43 pm

MACCA wrote:Are you mad?
Where's the boy wonder who's 10m transfer and 200k a week wages were possibly the business of the summer?

I'm still looking forward to cleaning up from my bets on him not hitting 12 league goals even though he takes every free kick and penalty.

The under 20 in all comps is already all but in.

Baines?

Sidney1st · Post by **Sidney1st** » Fri Nov 24, 2017 11:59 pm

KRBFC wrote:He's absolutely sh**e and definitely not the best English centre half or future England captain like some idiots on here were saying. Some on here were actually saying Keane's a better footballer than Stones Hilarious really

Last season one of them was playing in a settled team with a regular centre back partner and protection from his midfielders and a keeper behind him he could trust.

The other didn't have a regular partner at CB, the goalie was a liability and he wasn't getting much help/protection from midfield.

The roles have been reversed this season.
Put Keane in a settled team and with a manager who knows what he's doing and everything would be fine, you know that much is true.

Everton are carnage right now and most of the team look bloody lost.

JohnMac · Post by **JohnMac** » Sat Nov 25, 2017 7:29 am

MK had a few dodgy moments for us but his good moments more than made up for that and he was immense overall.

I think the problem is collective rather than individual BUT he is going to have to turn into Bobby Moore for those fans to change their opinion, I read 5 pages and only found one person supporting him.

Everton and the fans are presumably blind to the fact their coaching staff are obviously inadequate.