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Hang your heads in shame BBC.

Post by gandhisflipflop » Fri Nov 24, 2017 12:22 am

I shouldn't be surprised at this because racism only works 1 way for this agenda driven organisation. Imagine the uproar if they were advertising for white candidates only.

http://www.w4mpjobs.org/JobDetails.aspx?jobid=63564

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Post by snail12345 » Fri Nov 24, 2017 12:26 am

I'm what some people would call "Turkish hooker blonde" ie slightly ginger ,,,,, I may apply for this vacancy haha

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Re: Hang your heads in shame BBC.

Post by Funkydrummer » Fri Nov 24, 2017 12:26 am

How do they get away with this ? This country is going t!ts up in a big way, slowly but surely.

"This internship is only open to candidates from a black, Asian or non-white ethnic minority background."

A job for Dwight Yorke perhaps !

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Post by kritichris » Fri Nov 24, 2017 12:28 am

At that wage it's slave labour whatever your colour. Must admit though that the rules are very grey on appointing disabled and ethnic minorities. Positive discrimination is wrong if it is expected that society should embrace everyone as equals.

ps. i find the 2 previous posts offensive and the OP has prob been made to be a catalyst to racist replies.
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Re: Hang your heads in shame BBC.

Post by Damo » Fri Nov 24, 2017 12:29 am

I have seen a few BBC vids and they never have white blokes in. Defeats the object in my opinion

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Re: Hang your heads in shame BBC.

Post by Sidney1st » Fri Nov 24, 2017 12:30 am

I'm confused.

Are we complaining about a predominantly white industry making efforts to change or is it the exclusion of white people we are complaining about?

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Re: Hang your heads in shame BBC.

Post by Buxtonclaret » Fri Nov 24, 2017 12:31 am

Honestly think that sort of stuff should be illegal.
The 'Positive' discrimination angle is now well past its sell by date.

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Post by Rileybobs » Fri Nov 24, 2017 12:33 am

I imagine it’s more to do with it being the World Service than positive discrimination. Either way it doesn’t sit well.

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Post by tim_noone » Fri Nov 24, 2017 12:35 am

Sidney1st wrote:I'm confused.

Are we complaining about a predominantly white industry making efforts to change or is it the exclusion of white people we are complaining about?
Surely the job should should be given on merit not colour or gender?

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Re: Hang your heads in shame BBC.

Post by gandhisflipflop » Fri Nov 24, 2017 12:36 am

Sidney1st wrote:I'm confused.

Are we complaining about a predominantly white industry making efforts to change or is it the exclusion of white people we are complaining about?

I think you know Sidney but it's the double standards that annoys me. A corporation advertising for white people only would be shouted down as racist and rightly so yet this isnt. If we really wanted an equal society then the conscious effort to employ ethnic minorities for that reason alone must stop and the best people for the job should be employed whatever the colour. It's obvious that this does not happen.
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Post by tim_noone » Fri Nov 24, 2017 12:37 am

Damo wrote:I have seen a few BBC vids and they never have white blokes in. Defeats the object in my opinion
:o your so eighties!
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Post by Sidney1st » Fri Nov 24, 2017 12:38 am

tim_noone wrote:Surely the job should should be given on merit not colour or gender?
In an ideal world yes it should, but when we get to an ideal world, let me know.

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Post by Rowls » Fri Nov 24, 2017 12:38 am

Buxtonclaret wrote:Honestly think that sort of stuff should be illegal.
The 'Positive' discrimination angle is now well past its sell by date.
They get away with it here by advertising it as an "Internship" rather than a job.

Despite the role officially being an "internship" it has a job title and also a salary - just like regular jobs do.

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Re: Hang your heads in shame BBC.

Post by gandhisflipflop » Fri Nov 24, 2017 12:38 am

kritichris wrote: ps. i find the 2 previous posts offensive and the OP has prob been made to be a catalyst to racist replies.
I'm going to read that as a tongue in cheek post.

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Post by Damo » Fri Nov 24, 2017 12:39 am

Sidney1st wrote:I'm confused.

Are we complaining about a predominantly white industry making efforts to change or is it the exclusion of white people we are complaining about?
Have you got yourself a new girlfriend Sidney?
I only ask because my brother went from right to left once because of a woman

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Post by Sidney1st » Fri Nov 24, 2017 12:40 am

gandhisflipflop wrote:I think you know Sidney but it's the double standards that annoys me. A corporation advertising for white people only would be shouted down as racist and rightly so yet this isnt. If we really wanted an equal society then the conscious effort to employ ethnic minorities for that reason alone must stop and the best people for the job should be employed whatever the colour. It's obvious that this does not happen.
You've answered it yourself with your last sentence.
Its highly likely people who aren't white have been overlooked for not being white.

If they're making efforts to change that then what's the issue?
I'd prefer it if they didn't feel the need to put that restrictions in place in the advert, but they have and fair enough if it works.

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Re: Hang your heads in shame BBC.

Post by Sidney1st » Fri Nov 24, 2017 12:42 am

Damo wrote:Have you got yourself a new girlfriend Sidney?
I only ask because my brother went from right to left once because of a woman
Nope, newly single as of 2 days ago, got bored of her efforts to shag around.

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Re: Hang your heads in shame BBC.

Post by gandhisflipflop » Fri Nov 24, 2017 12:46 am

Sidney1st wrote:You've answered it yourself with your last sentence.
Its highly likely people who aren't white have been overlooked for not being white.

If they're making efforts to change that then what's the issue?
I'd prefer it if they didn't feel the need to put that restrictions in place in the advert, but they have and fair enough if it works.

They're not making efforts to change it though by doing this are they? All they are doing is creating more division. I can't apply for that job because I'm not white. And you are defending this?

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Post by tim_noone » Fri Nov 24, 2017 12:46 am

Sidney1st wrote:Nope, newly single as of 2 days ago, got bored of her efforts to shag around.
:roll: you have no luck!

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Post by Sidney1st » Fri Nov 24, 2017 12:48 am

tim_noone wrote::roll: you have no luck!
I had a good 5 yrs and I've got a daughter out of it who's amazing.
I'm happy enough with that, its her loss more than it is mine :lol:

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Re: Hang your heads in shame BBC.

Post by Sidney1st » Fri Nov 24, 2017 12:50 am

gandhisflipflop wrote:They're not making efforts to change it though by doing this are they? All they are doing is creating more division. I can't apply for that job because I'm not white. And you are defending this?
I believe I've stated its a shame they've done this, but I'll need to re-read what I've posted.
I also made a comment about how there has probably been discrimination against non white people and they're now redressing the balance.

You can carry on getting worked up about it, I'm not going too.

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Post by tim_noone » Fri Nov 24, 2017 12:51 am

I thought you had a new one after the blade carrier....
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Post by Sidney1st » Fri Nov 24, 2017 12:54 am

tim_noone wrote:I thought you had a new one after the blade carrier....
Nah, this was the blade carrier.
Lots of stuff has come to light recently, so we've both decided its done with and its an amicable break up.
I get to see my daughter every day still, everyone wins.
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Re: Hang your heads in shame BBC.

Post by Bin Ont Turf » Fri Nov 24, 2017 12:56 am

That's got to be a p1ss take job ad surely?

If it isn't a joke then this island wants towing right out into the Atlantic and then sinking to the bottom.

'If they're making efforts to change that then what's the issue?

For f**ks sake Sidney.

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Post by snail12345 » Fri Nov 24, 2017 12:59 am

I'm in a job where racism doesn't exist in my workplace, having stood and fought beside every colour/creed/and sexual variant you could think of I would like to think its the same everywhere these days. However and take this as you like people say things with no racial/discriminating meaning at all which may offend others in some way or another. The days of banter have gone, the days of chatting up a girl in a nightclub have gone. We are now a in a culture that you have to be very careful of what you say or do for fear of consequence. It will go wrong at some point. I have had several beers tonight, sorry if me having a beer in my house offends anyone before anyone gets offended.
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Post by Buxtonclaret » Fri Nov 24, 2017 1:00 am

Rowls wrote:They get away with it here by advertising it as an "Internship" rather than a job.

Despite the role officially being an "internship" it has a job title and also a salary - just like regular jobs do.
Ok. Get it's an 'internship'.
But why should that make it ok?

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Post by Damo » Fri Nov 24, 2017 1:01 am

Sol Cambell has applied no doubt

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Post by Sidney1st » Fri Nov 24, 2017 1:02 am

I can see people are getting offended...

I'll check back in during the day.

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Post by bfccrazy » Fri Nov 24, 2017 1:21 am

Cheers, just applied :lol:

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Post by Rowls » Fri Nov 24, 2017 1:25 am

Buxtonclaret wrote:Ok. Get it's an 'internship'.
But why should that make it ok?
It doesn't make it OK.

I'm explaining the legal loophole they're exploiting here.

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Post by Buxtonclaret » Fri Nov 24, 2017 1:35 am

Rowls wrote:It doesn't make it OK.

I'm explaining the legal loophole they're exploiting here.
Ah right.
I didn't know that. (The loophole)

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Post by quoonbeatz » Fri Nov 24, 2017 9:32 am

Rowls wrote: Despite the role officially being an "internship" it has a job title and also a salary - just like regular jobs do.
just like internships do as well.

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Post by Walton » Fri Nov 24, 2017 9:37 am

Same old snowflakes going out of their way to be offended by something

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Post by gandhisflipflop » Fri Nov 24, 2017 9:43 am

Walton wrote:Same old snowflakes going out of their way to be offended by something

There's a difference between being offended at a complete non entity and looking for something that isn't there than highlighting a double standard. I'm not surprised the term 'snowflake' has been lost on the left.
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Post by Funkydrummer » Fri Nov 24, 2017 9:48 am

Walton wrote:Same old snowflakes going out of their way to be offended by something
Come on Walton, you're better than that.

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Post by Caernarfon_Claret » Fri Nov 24, 2017 9:53 am

I think traditionally jobs went to white males even when women and ethnic minority candidates were far more qualified. There was a time when women had to give up work when they married even when they had a better job and were far more qualified than their husbands.

It may well have gone too far the other way but there is still a pay gap between genders and ethnicity - so there might be positive discrimination in job opportunities but there is still traditional discrimination when it comes to salaries.

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/amp.theg ... uk-pay-gap" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/amp.theg ... ic-pay-gap" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

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Post by Funkydrummer » Fri Nov 24, 2017 9:59 am

I agree, but this sort of thing isn't helping to heal the rift.

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Post by NottsClaret » Fri Nov 24, 2017 9:59 am

I wonder how non-white you have to be to apply?

Are members of the travelling community prohibited from applying?

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Post by Caernarfon_Claret » Fri Nov 24, 2017 10:01 am

As the bbc pays ethnic moinorities significantly less than white employees it's probably just a way of them saving money - expect them to advertise women only jobs so they can save even more money.

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Post by Foshiznik » Fri Nov 24, 2017 10:02 am

If I go all Rachel Dolezal on this with my race, do you reckon they would still sift my application out?

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Post by MACCA » Fri Nov 24, 2017 10:11 am

Can albino black people still apply?

Also, Ive got a large birth mark? and quite a lot of freckles I am at a cross roads here.

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Post by NottsClaret » Fri Nov 24, 2017 10:19 am

Genetically, as a white European, I'll be closer to a descendent of a West African than they themselves will be to an East African. It's a fascinating subject is genetics as opposed to the stupidity around 'race' and little understood. Picking candidates from a colour chart in 2017 is mental, whatever your intentions.

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Post by Walton » Fri Nov 24, 2017 10:20 am

Anyone got a BBC link for this job ad?

For all I know this could be a fake job ad designed to whip up anti-BBC sentiment, much like the OP was

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Post by houseboy » Fri Nov 24, 2017 10:32 am

Sidney1st wrote:I'm confused.

Are we complaining about a predominantly white industry making efforts to change or is it the exclusion of white people we are complaining about?
I'm assuming the latter. Equality (something I believe in with a passion) should be for all, including whites. We are, believe it or not, a mainly white nation so it stands to reason that most jobs are held by white people, if they weren't then that would show an obvious bias towards non-whites, which would of course be wrong. People should be employed on merit, whatever their colour, gender, religion (which shouldn't even be a consideration) or physical ability. But this holds true both ways, positive discrimination is still discrimination and as such is a misnomer as there can never be anything positive about discrimination. My wife works for LCC and in her job they frequently advertise for very specific people because of the nature of the job but in this case I can't see how the colour of skin can make a blind bit of difference to their ability to be a journo.
Incidentally I have worked in employment law and there is actually nothing illegal about this job ad, but as someone rightly pointed out you can't advertise for a 'white male', however you CAN advertise female only jobs. It's all a bit skewed really but until PC goes out of fashion it will not change.
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Post by Lancasterclaret » Fri Nov 24, 2017 10:34 am

First, this is completely wrong and shouldn't be allowed

Can anyone be arsed to trawl through the BBC website to see what the actual job description and conditions are, and if its the same as this?

Because this isn't a BBC advert, or a website, and the link given is a general link to the BBC home page.

EDIT - Its from "Creative Access", who are a partner of the BBC whose vision is "working towards a day when Britain society is truly reflected in our creative and media industries"- which explains the criteria, but its still wrong, though I agree with the sentiment.

You can't have positive discrimination and not expect some sort of backlash unfortunately.
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Post by Grimsby Claret » Fri Nov 24, 2017 10:37 am

I thought this was a football site ? With Topics posted about Burnley football club.?

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Post by Caernarfon_Claret » Fri Nov 24, 2017 10:42 am

Grimsby Claret wrote:I thought this was a football site ? With Topics posted about Burnley football club.?
The BBC cover Burnley therefore...

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Post by gandhisflipflop » Fri Nov 24, 2017 11:37 am

Walton wrote:Anyone got a BBC link for this job ad?

For all I know this could be a fake job ad designed to whip up anti-BBC sentiment, much like the OP was

Walton. You are talking utter tripe.

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Post by Lancasterclaret » Fri Nov 24, 2017 11:53 am

He's not though, as a lot of these types of stories are made up by bots or fantasists to back up their points of view.

Thats why you should always double and triple check stuff before accepting if they are true or not.

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Post by RingoMcCartney » Fri Nov 24, 2017 12:10 pm

Sidney1st wrote:I'm confused.

Are we complaining about a predominantly white industry making efforts to change or is it the exclusion of white people we are complaining about?
It's the blatant unadulterated, institutional racism, that getting people angry.

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