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I think these look fantastic and will not only provide great facilities for those who require them, but will make the ground look far more modern and complete.
Big question from me - do these two stands get names, and if so, would the club consider making it a vote to choose them?
Big question from me - do these two stands get names, and if so, would the club consider making it a vote to choose them?
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Doea it increase the gate or are they included in the figures where they are currently?
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It won’t really increase the gate as such, it’s moving supporters sporadically dotted around the pitch into two purpose-built hubs.
Remember, capacity isn’t based on seats in the stadium, it’s on how many tickets that can be sold really.
Remember, capacity isn’t based on seats in the stadium, it’s on how many tickets that can be sold really.
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If there is enough spaces for the disabled fans it would be of huge benefit for us to build a TV studio next to the police box.
We might get on sky a bit more if we have the facilities to accommodate them.
We might get on sky a bit more if we have the facilities to accommodate them.
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There’s one already there, it’s in the first executive box nearest the Bob Lord Stand.Quickenthetempo wrote:If there is enough spaces for the disabled fans it would be of huge benefit for us to build a TV studio next to the police box.
We might get on sky a bit more if we have the facilities to accommodate them.
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Well it will totally kill off the moving of the dressing rooms idea to the corner of the LS & JM.
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And Martin Dobson was good Turf More..............
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I can't recall if there's a minimum requirement for the number of spaces we need to provide. If so, what is it?
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This is great news for those fans requiring wheelchairs. I broke my knee 17 years ago and had to sit in a wheelchair between the JH and JM. It’s shocking that nothing has been done to improve the facilities in that time. Well done to the club for sorting this out now money is available. £5m sounds a lot but it equals exactly x1 N.Wells. I suspect these improvements will have a greater impact than Wells will
Like others have said it will add to the mismatch of the ground which gives it its character.
Personally I don’t think the rest of the ground needs much more work for the time being. I love the CFS. Love the low roof and wooden seats.
Like others have said it will add to the mismatch of the ground which gives it its character.
Personally I don’t think the rest of the ground needs much more work for the time being. I love the CFS. Love the low roof and wooden seats.
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Wonderful news
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Again just reiterating what others have said. This is indeed great news and goes way beyond anything I thought the club would do to address the problem. The times I look over from the BL stand to the corner of the JH/JMc stands when the weather is inclement and my heart sinks. If these plans come to fruition, as I hope and trust they will it will put us at the forefront in moving forward and supporting people with disabilities and impairments. Well done again all involved.
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Don't believe sodsr wrote:Do we get a grant? Because if not, that's more than we paid for the two new stands put together.
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It could well be VAT exempt.
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Did they not also mention that there were also going to be facilities in the upper and lower tiers of the JH stand eventually?
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The time is coming when this cash will come close to a billion received, and then we have to start improving the facilities for the majority of fans (bigger concourses, video screens without adverts, hot water in toilets, more comfortable seating). One stand at a time. If the club don’t do this now, for the next 30 years of comfort and fan retention, they never will.
First though, and absolutely correct to do so, comes the disabled fans. I’m delighted they are getting decent facilities at last.
First though, and absolutely correct to do so, comes the disabled fans. I’m delighted they are getting decent facilities at last.
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It is not possible to position the screen so everyone can see it. At the moment, both the fans in the JH and the JM stands struggle to see it. That is the majority of the home fans. Putting it on the Cricket Field Stand would allow three sides to the ground to see it, not the ideal solution, but perhaps the best option
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Could a screen not be placed on top of each of the new stands?
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Please no, one advantage of where I sit is not being able to see it. The damn things can be distracting. I've paid my money to watch the match rather than a screen.gtclaret wrote:It is not possible to position the screen so everyone can see it.
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A vast improvement for our disabled fans.
It's criminal that they've been left exposed to the elements, and I hope these 2 new little areas make it up to them.
The sketches look like a cross between the West Brom and Barnsley corner stands
It's criminal that they've been left exposed to the elements, and I hope these 2 new little areas make it up to them.
The sketches look like a cross between the West Brom and Barnsley corner stands
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This is very good news all round and the added bonus is that hopefully we will regain some of the atmosphere lost when the Longside went. Just one question though; do we have that many disabled fans to justify two new stands being dedicated to them? If we have then that is brilliant but it does seem a little like the situation at many supermarkets where the number of disabled parking spaces seems out of proportion to the actual numbers of people needing them (have you ever seen them all full?). Bearing this in mind could we use at least part of this development to generally increase the capacity?
Just a thought and if I am wrong I apologise in advance.
Just a thought and if I am wrong I apologise in advance.
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The Barnsley one looks like a shop - is it actually a stand?UpTheBeehole wrote:A vast improvement for our disabled fans.
It's criminal that they've been left exposed to the elements, and I hope these 2 new little areas make it up to them.
The sketches look like a cross between the West Brom and Barnsley corner stands
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Jimmy MacJimface... no, wait.jedi_master wrote:I think these look fantastic and will not only provide great facilities for those who require them, but will make the ground look far more modern and complete.
Big question from me - do these two stands get names, and if so, would the club consider making it a vote to choose them?
long overdue this but its hopefully worth the wait for those who currently endure the non-facilities.
looks a cracking solution, props to the club.
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It's a good point, but there are clear guidelines we have to adhere to and there is a minimum number of wheelchair/carer spaces we have to have within the ground no matter how many choose to use them. I can't remember the figures now but I think it is just over 150 whereas now we have nowhere near that.houseboy wrote:This is very good news all round and the added bonus is that hopefully we will regain some of the atmosphere lost when the Longside went. Just one question though; do we have that many disabled fans to justify two new stands being dedicated to them? If we have then that is brilliant but it does seem a little like the situation at many supermarkets where the number of disabled parking spaces seems out of proportion to the actual numbers of people needing them (have you ever seen them all full?). Bearing this in mind could we use at least part of this development to generally increase the capacity?
Just a thought and if I am wrong I apologise in advance.
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Love that the people in the disabled stands are about 3 times the size of the people in the main stands.MarkGreen wrote:
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We might find that the new facilities attract more disabled supporters to games.houseboy wrote:This is very good news all round and the added bonus is that hopefully we will regain some of the atmosphere lost when the Longside went. Just one question though; do we have that many disabled fans to justify two new stands being dedicated to them? If we have then that is brilliant but it does seem a little like the situation at many supermarkets where the number of disabled parking spaces seems out of proportion to the actual numbers of people needing them (have you ever seen them all full?). Bearing this in mind could we use at least part of this development to generally increase the capacity?
Just a thought and if I am wrong I apologise in advance.
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UpTheBeehole wrote:A vast improvement for our disabled fans.
It's criminal that they've been left exposed to the elements, and I hope these 2 new little areas make it up to them.
The sketches look like a cross between the West Brom and Barnsley corner stands
I really hope that £5M would get us something far superior to the Barnsley corner
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If we do then surely Joe Gallagher and Nick Pickering have to be in contention...simply bearing in mind their physical condition when signing for the club!jedi_master wrote:I think these look fantastic and will not only provide great facilities for those who require them, but will make the ground look far more modern and complete.
Big question from me - do these two stands get names, and if so, would the club consider making it a vote to choose them?
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I’m sure they’ll sort it out, but as drawn, I’m wondering how much of the pitch a lot of those seats will be able to see!
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Was thinking the same, but they are a proposal I guess.martin_p wrote:I’m sure they’ll sort it out, but as drawn, I’m wondering how much of the pitch a lot of those seats will be able to see!
I wonder if tthe one at the JM/JH could hold away fans and then redevelop the Cricket field, but maybe thats a step too far
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I've quickly read the last EHRC report, and unless I'm missing something, the minimum is 156 wheelchair access spaces for a 22,000 capacity ground. In addition, one wheelchair accessable toilet for every 15 spaces, to include a number of larger " changing places " toilets. Also it talks of a number of wider seats, where a guide dog can be accomodated and provision of a " sensory room "...Walt wrote:I can't recall if there's a minimum requirement for the number of spaces we need to provide. If so, what is it?
CT has mentioned in various posts over the past 18 months, that the Club have waited for EHRC approval of their plans before putting these improvements in place. Now that this has been received, and given how impressive Gawthorpe is, I have no reason to doubt that these new facilities will not be excellent...
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Looks great, will surely help wit the atmosphere as well as providing great facilities. Would it be possible to fully glaze the JH stand at the CF end? Or are there plans for that end too?
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A good idea to create more seats and fill two of the four corners. I guess if they are filling in between the Jimmy Mac and the Bob Lord, that the next move would be to replace the CFS, leaving the BL as it is now?
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I suspect any stand names will come from a sponsor first and foremost. The Boo Hoo Stand and The Barnfield Stand would be possible shouts. The Boo Hoo Stand would make me laugh at the very least!!
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Would seem that I am of a different view to many.
In these proposals:
- disabled supporters are segregated from all other fans rather than integrated and having a choice of location/view within the ground
- Multiple tiers of disabled seating will require some form of ramp to the higher tiers in case of power failure for emergency evacuation
- it appears the focus is more on not affecting current seating during development than providing a genuine solution that allows for future development if required
- as ever there is no sense of a long-term plan, just the sense of overcoming a legislative obstacle in a relatively cheap way
- I am hugely disappointed by them. the only thing they get right is seeking to provide disabled seating with appropriate facilities
in short it screams of all the shoddy design done over the last 30 years and therefore of Clive Holt (suspect it will be Barnfield Design and build)
In these proposals:
- disabled supporters are segregated from all other fans rather than integrated and having a choice of location/view within the ground
- Multiple tiers of disabled seating will require some form of ramp to the higher tiers in case of power failure for emergency evacuation
- it appears the focus is more on not affecting current seating during development than providing a genuine solution that allows for future development if required
- as ever there is no sense of a long-term plan, just the sense of overcoming a legislative obstacle in a relatively cheap way
- I am hugely disappointed by them. the only thing they get right is seeking to provide disabled seating with appropriate facilities
in short it screams of all the shoddy design done over the last 30 years and therefore of Clive Holt (suspect it will be Barnfield Design and build)
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Bournemouth were told that their disabled provision was inadequate on this basis, despite having a lot more 'berths' than required.Chester Perry wrote: - disabled supporters are segregated from all other fans rather than integrated and having a choice of location/view within the ground
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Initial thoughts are that this can only be positive. Taking Chester Perry's comments on board, it's difficult to criticise the design from what is essentially two artist impressions. The devil will be in the detailed drawing submitted to planning.
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They have to be segregated to some extent - you can't have step free access to every row of the stand. Is there any way to adapt the existing stands to do what you want? Because knocking down the whole ground and rebuilding for the sake of 156 people, while laudable, would be disproportionately expensive; and even then, the facilities would consist of all the wheelchair users in a single long row of each stand; there wouldn't be full disabled access to every seat.Chester Perry wrote:Would seem that I am of a different view to many.
In these proposals:
- disabled supporters are segregated from all other fans rather than integrated and having a choice of location/view within the ground
- Multiple tiers of disabled seating will require some form of ramp to the higher tiers in case of power failure for emergency evacuation
- it appears the focus is more on not affecting current seating during development than providing a genuine solution that allows for future development if required
- as ever there is no sense of a long-term plan, just the sense of overcoming a legislative obstacle in a relatively cheap way
- I am hugely disappointed by them. the only thing they get right is seeking to provide disabled seating with appropriate facilities
in short it screams of all the shoddy design done over the last 30 years and therefore of Clive Holt (suspect it will be Barnfield Design and build)
I would dispute that it's cheap as well. £5m for 156 wheelchair seats plus carers? That's £16,000 per seat. If you build a 22,000 capacity stadium at those prices, you get £352m. Not cheap, not relatively cheap. The two newer stands cost about £6.5m for the two, with capacity of 14,000 or so, £460 per seat - even allowing for inflation, these new seats aren't cheap.
Do we know the actual capacity of the new areas?
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I’m not sure whether it’s for sale or not, but the Park View has been struggling for years. It was closed after a recent midweek match, which I’ve never know before, but has been opened for the past 2 matches, albeit with limited selection. If it is available would it not make sense for the club to purchase it? They could call it the Champions Bar, Claret Bar, Dyche’s Drinking Den or whatever, and have entertainment or a screen on the car park? I’m sure they could have it looking far better than the current fan zone, and it’s would warmer too!arise_sir_charge wrote:Will greatly add to the iggledy piggedly nature of the ground. I like it.
Would love the club to also invest in a more permanent fan zone structure similar to the set up at the Etihad albeit on a smaller scale.
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I would hope that with two new corner stands, which would obviously be cladded at the back with new cladding, looking all nice and shiny, that they consider the roof and cladding on the Bob Lord Stand, which is a disgrace if truth be told. We have enough money now to have the ground looking how we want it.
I wonder if they’ll consider putting big screens on the stand roofs, or within the roof structure?
I wonder if they’ll consider putting big screens on the stand roofs, or within the roof structure?
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Worth breaking your leg for.
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Liking that idea, The Burnley BoozerClaretforever wrote:I’m not sure whether it’s for sale or not, but the Park View has been struggling for years. It was closed after a recent midweek match, which I’ve never know before, but has been opened for the past 2 matches, albeit with limited selection. If it is available would it not make sense for the club to purchase it? They could call it the Champions Bar, Claret Bar, Dyche’s Drinking Den or whatever, and have entertainment or a screen on the car park? I’m sure they could have it looking far better than the current fan zone, and it’s would warmer too!
Great news finally for disabled supporters. Think Im correct in thinking brfc used to dump their disabled fans on the front row of all their home stands, the worst possible seats! Been told they don't even have that facility any more
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Brilliant idea, like the designs, Mexican waves will look great from the CFS. Stick a massive curved screen on top of the longside one and we've got ourselves a crap IMAX.
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Chester Perry wrote:Would seem that I am of a different view to many.
In these proposals:
- disabled supporters are segregated from all other fans rather than integrated and having a choice of location/view within the ground
- Multiple tiers of disabled seating will require some form of ramp to the higher tiers in case of power failure for emergency evacuation
- it appears the focus is more on not affecting current seating during development than providing a genuine solution that allows for future development if required
- as ever there is no sense of a long-term plan, just the sense of overcoming a legislative obstacle in a relatively cheap way
- I am hugely disappointed by them. the only thing they get right is seeking to provide disabled seating with appropriate facilities
in short it screams of all the shoddy design done over the last 30 years and therefore of Clive Holt (suspect it will be Barnfield Design and build)
What you are looking at there to get a win-win solution for everyone is for Burnley Football Club to build a brand new stadium, basically. I'll be more cost effective. As for emergency evacuations, these plans have been signed off by the EHRC (Equality and Human Rights Commission) who I would imagine are pretty stringent when Health and Safety procedures.
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How much would say it would cost then?dsr wrote:They have to be segregated to some extent - you can't have step free access to every row of the stand. Is there any way to adapt the existing stands to do what you want? Because knocking down the whole ground and rebuilding for the sake of 156 people, while laudable, would be disproportionately expensive; and even then, the facilities would consist of all the wheelchair users in a single long row of each stand; there wouldn't be full disabled access to every seat.
I would dispute that it's cheap as well. £5m for 156 wheelchair seats plus carers? That's £16,000 per seat. If you build a 22,000 capacity stadium at those prices, you get £352m. Not cheap, not relatively cheap. The two newer stands cost about £6.5m for the two, with capacity of 14,000 or so, £460 per seat - even allowing for inflation, these new seats aren't cheap.
Do we know the actual capacity of the new areas?
Are you saying our disabled fans aren't worth what the club are spending on them?
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All these add ons will make it difficult replacing stands, like the new shop which probably put an end to a second tier on the Bob Lord as there is no place for supports
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Wokingclaret wrote:All these add ons will make it difficult replacing stands, like the new shop which probably put an end to a second tier on the Bob Lord as there is no place for supports
The new shop is in the corner, not behind the bob lord.
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If you can find anywhere in these posts that even hints that disabled fans aren't worth this, then please quote it. Otherwise, stop making insinuations.UpTheBeehole wrote:How much would say it would cost then?
Are you saying our disabled fans aren't worth what the club are spending on them?
What I said was that these facilities aren't cheap.
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You're clearly implying that £16k per seat is not worth it.dsr wrote:If you can find anywhere in these posts that even hints that disabled fans aren't worth this, then please quote it. Otherwise, stop making insinuations.
What I said was that these facilities aren't cheap.
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How is he? He was clearly replying to another poster who had said that these plans were just a cheap way of getting round legislation.UpTheBeehole wrote:You're clearly implying that £16k per seat is not worth it.
Like I said, you're just trying to be a clone of KRBFC.