What will be the next development at the Turf ?

LordBob · Post by **LordBob** » Mon Dec 04, 2017 7:33 pm

I might have missed some proposals about development but would we get rid of the CFS and Bob Lord and build 2 stands on the lines of the JM and JH what do you think?

Pstotto · Post by **Pstotto** » Mon Dec 04, 2017 7:38 pm

The next development is going to be a corner stand specifically designed for disabled fans.

MACCA · Post by **MACCA** » Mon Dec 04, 2017 7:41 pm

Buy that cricket club!
Give them 10m and 2 years to find a new home.

We need it at some point, let's buy it now whilst we are at our richest and the land is at its cheapest.

Even if it means sitting on it for 3-5 years.

Indecisive · Post by **Indecisive** » Mon Dec 04, 2017 7:45 pm

MACCA wrote:Buy that cricket club!
Give them 10m and 2 years to find a new home.

We need it at some point, let's buy it now whilst we are at our richest and the land is at its cheapest.

Even if it means sitting on it for 3-5 years.

Give them £10 million

I'm glad you're not in charge of the club's finances

conyoviejo · Post by **conyoviejo** » Mon Dec 04, 2017 7:46 pm

Pstotto wrote:The next development is going to be a corner stand specifically designed for disabled fans.

How many will it hold ?

MACCA · Post by **MACCA** » Mon Dec 04, 2017 7:49 pm

Indecisive wrote:Give them £10 million

I'm glad you're not in charge of the club's finances

Sorry buy it for 10m, not give them 10m. It'll be the best investment we could ever make.

It needs to be above market value and worth their while.
Less than 10m might do it, but if it was 10m I'd not blink. We've nearly just secured another 170m . It's a player, or a players wages for 4 years. The money it could make us long term and the benefit to the longevity of the ground could be priceless.

corporal jones · Post by **corporal jones** » Mon Dec 04, 2017 8:49 pm

Do we actually fill all the seats we have at the moment? Just asking.

HOPE AND GLORY · Post by **HOPE AND GLORY** » Mon Dec 04, 2017 8:53 pm

Pie and a pint 10 quid .

Quickenthetempo · Post by **Quickenthetempo** » Mon Dec 04, 2017 8:56 pm

MACCA wrote:Sorry buy it for 10m, not give them 10m. It'll be the best investment we could ever make.

It needs to be above market value and worth their while.
Less than 10m might do it, but if it was 10m I'd not blink. We've nearly just secured another 170m . It's a player, or a players wages for 4 years. The money it could make us long term and the benefit to the longevity of the ground could be priceless.

A few years ago there was talk of purchasing the cricket club for 600k.
10m is way over the top.

MACCA · Post by **MACCA** » Mon Dec 04, 2017 9:03 pm

Quickenthetempo wrote:A few years ago there was talk of purchasing the cricket club for 600k.
10m is way over the top.

2m then. It's a drop in the ocean.

It's got to be part of our long term plan one way or another. Let's do it know whilst we are at our richest.

Just think of the development opportunities. It'll also provide a future income source should we do it correctly. It's a massive space.

PutTheWheelieBinsOut · Post by **PutTheWheelieBinsOut** » Mon Dec 04, 2017 9:04 pm

Could we work with the council to get a compulsory purchase order on the cricket ground, I know thats a naughty way of doing things, but could be the most effective and ultimately cheaper, I think everyone would agree that the football club is more valuable to the town than the cricket club.

While we are at it, we may as well purchase the land and houses on Harry Pots Way, for future redevelopment of the Bob Lord stand. Be criminal of the club proprietors to not 'fix the roof while the sun is shining'.

NickBFC · Post by **NickBFC** » Mon Dec 04, 2017 9:06 pm

I agree that purchasing the cricket club would be good business for the club long term - the commercial opportunities could be very lucrative if done well. I thought I read a few years ago that the cricket club were less than enthused about moving though?

arise_sir_charge · Post by **arise_sir_charge** » Mon Dec 04, 2017 9:07 pm

Why whenever development is mentioned do people immediately say stuff like “we don’t fill what we have”.

Development doesn’t have to mean big white elephant.

It could mean 24,000 capacity with state of the art facilities and multiple revenue streams away from football.

Just getting my development bingo card out and hoping for early shouts of bread bins, Paul fletchers loud speaker and Asian weddings.

Pstotto · Post by **Pstotto** » Mon Dec 04, 2017 9:13 pm

I've no idea CV. There is a PL requirement to provide a certain amount of seating/wheelchair space for disabled supporters and with that, ease of access and sensible additional facilities.

How many actual disabled fans want to attend Turf Moor, I don't think is a consideration, after all; how many able bodied fans wanting to attend is given little say, so I imagine it's the same for all fans.

It's a long way from the little blue cars lining the touchline all those years ago.

Rick_Muller · Post by **Rick_Muller** » Mon Dec 04, 2017 9:13 pm

Where the cricket field is would be good for a multi storey car park alongside the “new stand” - perfect revenue stream for the club every day of the week, and enough parking for match days

cricketfieldclarets · Post by **cricketfieldclarets** » Mon Dec 04, 2017 9:14 pm

PutTheWheelieBinsOut wrote:Could we work with the council to get a compulsory purchase order on the cricket ground, I know thats a naughty way of doing things, but could be the most effective and ultimately cheaper, I think everyone would agree that the football club is more valuable to the town than the cricket club.

While we are at it, we may as well purchase the land and houses on Harry Pots Way, for future redevelopment of the Bob Lord stand. Be criminal of the club proprietors to not 'fix the roof while the sun is shining'.

Dont think that would be the right thing to do morally.

Personally i like the fact the cricket club is part of the site.

How about a state of the art stand that incorporates both

Pstotto · Post by **Pstotto** » Mon Dec 04, 2017 9:15 pm

There's already been a thread on the subject of that next phase of Turf Moor development with images, not long ago.

Quickenthetempo · Post by **Quickenthetempo** » Mon Dec 04, 2017 9:18 pm

If you took the football revenue away from the cricket club then I think it would fold, they would be mad to move.

claptrappers_union · Post by **claptrappers_union** » Mon Dec 04, 2017 9:21 pm

How many people actually use the Cricket Club, other than the players using the field?

Quickenthetempo · Post by **Quickenthetempo** » Mon Dec 04, 2017 9:22 pm

But for 2m you could spend 1m on a state of the art ground and facilities. Then 1m in a high interest account say 5% and live off the interest.

TheFamilyCat · Post by **TheFamilyCat** » Mon Dec 04, 2017 9:23 pm

Quickenthetempo wrote:If you took the football revenue away from the cricket club then I think it would fold, they would be mad to move.

Macca's £10m should keep them going a while.

claptrappers_union · Post by **claptrappers_union** » Mon Dec 04, 2017 9:25 pm

Quickenthetempo wrote:If you took the football revenue away from the cricket club then I think it would fold.

Probably why the club are investing in the Fanzone...

arise_sir_charge · Post by **arise_sir_charge** » Mon Dec 04, 2017 9:26 pm

To be fair, Burnley CC are unique in league cricket circles in having the football match day income.

Other clubs survive without such a luxury.

That said, get the right deal to sell and build the right facility with the cash and they could have something that generates income 365 days a year and isn’t reliant on Burnley FC being a premier league club.

IanMcL · Post by **IanMcL** » Mon Dec 04, 2017 9:44 pm

The next new development will be a large trophy cabinet!

Claret · Post by **Claret** » Mon Dec 04, 2017 9:48 pm

LordBob wrote:I might have missed some proposals about development but would we get rid of the CFS and Bob Lord and build 2 stands on the lines of the JM and JH what do you think?

If anyone even thinks about building new stands along the lines of the jimmy Mac and James Hargreaves then they should be hung upside down in a tub of cement. They are the worst designed stands you could imagine.

Goody1975 · Post by **Goody1975** » Mon Dec 04, 2017 9:49 pm

Claret wrote:If anyone even thinks about building new stands along the lines of the jimmy Mac and James Hargreaves then they should be hung upside down in a tub of cement. They are the worst designed stands you could imagine.

This

starting_11 · Post by **starting_11** » Mon Dec 04, 2017 9:51 pm

MACCA wrote:Buy that cricket club!
Give them 10m and 2 years to find a new home.
.

Severe drug problem in Burnley I see.

It's funny how £10m which made up about a quarter of our total revenue about 5 years ago is now seen as change we can lose.

...Jesus wept!

MACCA · Post by **MACCA** » Mon Dec 04, 2017 9:56 pm

starting_11 wrote:Severe drug problem in Burnley I see.

It's funny how £10m which made up about a quarter of our total revenue about 5 years ago is now seen as change we can lose.

...Jesus wept!

I was just pulling out a figure, as 10m won't break our bank but could prove to be great business. If we could get it for 2 or 3m it really should be a no brainer. It's a years wages for 1 player!

starting_11 · Post by **starting_11** » Mon Dec 04, 2017 9:57 pm

Oh my lord he's still at it.

TEN MILLION POUNDS!?

Oh lord... that could buy turf about 3 times over yet u think a shitty cricket club is worth TEN MILLION POUNDS?

jdrobbo · Post by **jdrobbo** » Mon Dec 04, 2017 10:07 pm

My thoughts are... do the minimum for now.

We desperately need to bring the disabled facilities up to date and that will be a big, but worthwhile outlay. The corner stands will look fantastic.

Meanwhile, let's keep the integrity of our fabulous ground and when the green light is pressed on safe standing, I say that we should become the front-runners in the safe standing game and in doing so, do the entire Cricket Field End. Stack it steep and I can't see why we'd need to buy the cricket ground. We might just need to move the cricket club out for a season!

Dyched · Post by **Dyched** » Mon Dec 04, 2017 10:15 pm

jdrobbo wrote:
Meanwhile, let's keep the integrity of our fabulous ground and when the green light is pressed on safe standing, I say that we should become the front-runners in the safe standing game and in doing so, do the entire Cricket Field End. Stack it steep and I can't see why we'd need to buy the cricket ground. We might just need to move the cricket club out for a season!

100%

Most fans like the CFS. It's old school charm etc. Lets wait and see what happens safe standing wise. If it's a no go then sure a modern CFS would be great. But now to knock it down and rebuild it pretty much the same would be pointless IMO.

arise_sir_charge · Post by **arise_sir_charge** » Mon Dec 04, 2017 10:21 pm

Some of the comments on here about the cricket club are disrespectful at best.

As a club I’ve no doubt it brings a great deal of joy to a lot of people, young and old.

They aren’t obliged to move. It’s their land.

I’m sure a deal could be done but I’m certain they’ll not roll over and have their bellies tickled and nor should they.

jdrobbo · Post by **jdrobbo** » Mon Dec 04, 2017 10:33 pm

Agree!

Somethingfishy · Post by **Somethingfishy** » Mon Dec 04, 2017 10:44 pm

I have conflicting interests here.

Half of me wants us to offer Burnley CC an offer they can't refuse. The other half as a Lowerhouse supporter is that we should give them as little as possible or ideally nothing. God knows how many "pros" they would field with a large wad of cash in their back pockets

Pstotto · Post by **Pstotto** » Mon Dec 04, 2017 11:28 pm

B.C.C. sold the land to B.F.C. and it is a big part of that area and a welcome feature, though not entirely sure of their loyalties in providing hospitality to away fans. There was ample opportunity to move the pitch when the J.H. and the J.M. stands were built, because there is a massive amount of land behind the JH and the houses near were only built in the 70's so the land could have been extended further.

Given the size of the town and the relative instability of football, there isn't really much point in building beyond 30,000. There is the architectural technology to overhang a higher tier, so encroachment on to B.C.C. land isn't really necessary.

The main thing with the cricket club is where the boundary of the pitch is and if the actual C.F.S. is the boundary. If depends how much access is needed to the back of any stand regarding maintenance or some safety aspect.

If it be your will · Post by **If it be your will** » Tue Dec 05, 2017 12:01 am

elwaclaret · Post by **elwaclaret** » Tue Dec 05, 2017 12:20 am

arise_sir_charge wrote:Some of the comments on here about the cricket club are disrespectful at best.

As a club I’ve no doubt it brings a great deal of joy to a lot of people, young and old.

They aren’t obliged to move. It’s their land.

I’m sure a deal could be done but I’m certain they’ll not roll over and have their bellies tickled and nor should they.

All the above + Without the Cricket Club we wouldn't have had the Turf, the history is hand in hand part and the same - I love Burnley CC being next door and I've never in my life felt the need to go along and watch, but I'm proud and glad its still there.

Goobs · Post by **Goobs** » Tue Dec 05, 2017 12:48 am

IanMcL wrote:The next new development will be a large trophy cabinet!

Do we even fill the one we already have?

Clarets4me · Post by **Clarets4me** » Tue Dec 05, 2017 1:13 am

If it be your will wrote:The 2 'new' stands are a lesson in exactly what not to do for me. Can't think of anything nice to say about them.

The two new stands added 14,600 seats ( + c.300 Corporate ) for around £5.2 million, nearly half of which was paid for by a grant from the Football Trust, leaving the Club with a bill of roughly £2.64 million to rebuild two sides of the Ground.
To give some comparison, the new Wembley, completed in 2007, cost £3,918 per seat ( excluding infastructure costs ) and Everton's new ground is projected to be £6,000 per seat. The JH and JM stands cost Burnley FC about £177.50 per seat !!!

Whilst these are 1996 prices,and accepting that the stands aren't perfect, they remain incredible value for money.....

Steve1956 · Post by **Steve1956** » Tue Dec 05, 2017 1:33 am

What is people's actual beef with the two newest stands at the club,I know I sat in the James Hargreaves lower and watched Man-City hit us for 5in the first half as I got absolutely ****** through for the pleasure of of it,but I don't think they are that bad,although my season ticket is in the CFS,come on guys make me a list of why these two stands are crap.

Dazzler · Post by **Dazzler** » Tue Dec 05, 2017 1:41 am

Quickenthetempo wrote:A few years ago there was talk of purchasing the cricket club for 600k.
10m is way over the top.

It actually was 10m in total including redevelopment.

http://www.lancashiretelegraph.co.uk/ne ... cket_club/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

bf2k · Post by **bf2k** » Tue Dec 05, 2017 1:57 am

I agree waiting to see what arises with safe standing. A kop style stand would be good. I would also like to see a new pavilion incorporated into a new stand if the logistics worked. As others have said let's not forget the heritage of turf moor

MACCA · Post by **MACCA** » Tue Dec 05, 2017 7:06 am

Dazzler wrote:It actually was 10m in total including redevelopment.

http://www.lancashiretelegraph.co.uk/ne ... cket_club/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

That was 10m all in 17 years ago, you could nearly double that now if not more.

My guess of 10m maybe a little too far but 600k

The cricket club couldn't buy space for a crown green bowling area for 600k.

They don't want to move.
The current land will be worth 1m minimum.
They would need to buy a new home.
They would need to build far better facilities than they have now.

They would want far more than what it is worth to compensate all the messing about and relocation etc.

Claretforever · Post by **Claretforever** » Tue Dec 05, 2017 7:15 am

Steve1956 wrote:What is people's actual beef with the two newest stands at the club,I know I sat in the James Hargreaves lower and watched Man-City hit us for 5in the first half as I got absolutely ****** through for the pleasure of of it,but I don't think they are that bad,although my season ticket is in the CFS,come on guys make me a list of why these two stands are crap.

I’ll start:

Cheap materials - brickwork blown all over the place within 20 years (it was less). Horrible looking brick too.

Cheap materials - cladding used is cheap looking corrugated metal covering, whereas other grounds look better.

Two tiers - two tiers are terrible for atmosphere as noise doesn’t travel very well across levels.

Upside down - having a larger upper tier means the concourses are the wrong size. The upper tier concourse with 5,000 seats has a smaller concourse than the lower tier with 3,000 seats. It’s always way too packed up top so people often don’t bother buying refreshments.

Loss of revenue - as per the last comment previously.

Upward facing roof - lose the noise generated by the fans to the night sky. I appreciate fans have now moved into the CFS.

Roof - no shelter for the lower tier from the elements.

Not aligned - the Jimmy mac and Longside don’t line up properly which is annoying.

That’s me for now.

bfcjg · Post by **bfcjg** » Tue Dec 05, 2017 7:21 am

When I was a kid we played cricket on the road and tarmac. Therefore buy a few yards of the cricket field to build the stand and move the cricket field the equivalent dustance towards and onto Belvedere road. The compensation would pay for the germolene for grazed knees. A steward could shout CAR very loudly as health and safety is crucial. Simples.

Quickenthetempo · Post by **Quickenthetempo** » Tue Dec 05, 2017 7:57 am

MACCA wrote:That was 10m all in 17 years ago, you could nearly double that now if not more.

My guess of 10m maybe a little too far but 600k

The cricket club couldn't buy space for a crown green bowling area for 600k.

They don't want to move.
The current land will be worth 1m minimum.
They would need to buy a new home.
They would need to build far better facilities than they have now.

They would want far more than what it is worth to compensate all the messing about and relocation etc.

The 600k was for the CC only. The telegraph article quoting 10m is for the purchasing of the CC and two new stands.

MACCA · Post by **MACCA** » Tue Dec 05, 2017 8:03 am

Quickenthetempo wrote:The 600k was for the CC only. The telegraph article quoting 10m is for the purchasing of the CC and two new stands.

I see.

I'd up it to 12m then so there's room to go over budget should materials increase.

Could also buy the builders breakfast butties everyday to keep moral up and get the job done quicker.

Rileybobs · Post by **Rileybobs** » Tue Dec 05, 2017 8:07 am

MACCA wrote:Buy that cricket club!
Give them 10m and 2 years to find a new home.

We need it at some point, let's buy it now whilst we are at our richest and the land is at its cheapest.

Even if it means sitting on it for 3-5 years.

£10m for a cricket pitch in Burnley.

MACCA · Post by **MACCA** » Tue Dec 05, 2017 8:12 am

Rileybobs wrote:£10m for a cricket pitch in Burnley.

I know, we could buy our next striker for 10k

Rileybobs · Post by **Rileybobs** » Tue Dec 05, 2017 8:18 am

MACCA wrote:I know, we could buy our next striker for 10k

What’s that got to do with the value of land?