Trump and Jerusalem...Insane

ElectroClaret · Post by **ElectroClaret** » Wed Dec 06, 2017 3:20 pm

His idea (which apparently will come into effect today) to recognise Jerusalem as Israel's capital
and move the US embassy there from Tel Aviv, despite widespread international condemnation,
seems the equivalent of tipping a barrel of petrol onto the situation there.

This'll mean Muslim fury and increase the danger to Americans abroad.

Not in America's interests, so why do it? It's barmy.

Caballo · Post by **Caballo** » Wed Dec 06, 2017 3:22 pm

Because he a is a fame whore and a massive bellsmash.

ClaretMoffitt · Post by **ClaretMoffitt** » Wed Dec 06, 2017 3:27 pm

Perhaps he's not willing to live in constant submission of "Muslim fury" unlike every other western world leader.

Vegas Claret · Post by **Vegas Claret** » Wed Dec 06, 2017 3:32 pm

Trump is a full blown retard, that's all there is to it

NRC · Post by **NRC** » Wed Dec 06, 2017 3:34 pm

Anyone have insights into the justification? Being a weapons-grade belmtard doesn’t do it for me. Even Trump must have his reason, even if deluded

UpTheBeehole · Post by **UpTheBeehole** » Wed Dec 06, 2017 3:36 pm

A cacophony of angry and despairing voices across the Middle East and the world have urged Donald Trump not to recognise Jerusalem as the capital of Israel at a planned speech on Wednesday, warning him that any such announcement would destroy the peace process, strengthen the extremists and weaken the US’s standing in the world.

The Pope issued an unusually heartfelt plea to the president to respect the status quo on the city, and to conform with UN resolutions. He told thousands of people at his general audience: “I cannot keep quiet about my deep worry about the situation that has been created in the last few days.”

Pope Francis said he hoped “wisdom and prudence prevail, in order to avoid adding new elements of tension to a global panorama that is already convulsed and marked by so many cruel conflicts”.

The spokesman for the Turkish president, Recep Tayyip Erdoğan, said the US was “plunging the region and the world into a fire with no end in sight”. He added that the Organisation for Islamic Co-operation would meet in Istanbul on 13 December in a special session to co-ordinate a response.

The Turkish foreign minister, Mevlüt Çavuşoğlu, disclosed he had told the US secretary of state, Rex Tillerson, that Washington was making a grave mistake, and the whole world was against the decision. Turkey has suggested it might cut diplomatic ties with Israel if the plan goes ahead.

British prime minister Theresa May said on Wednesday that she would call Trump about his proposed announcement.

“The status of Jerusalem should be determined as a negotiated settlement between the Israelis and the Palestinians and Jerusalem should be a shared capital,” she said.

Both Germany and France, fierce critics of the decision, updated travel advice to their citizens, warning of possible clashes in Israel and the occupied territories.

Trump is expected to declare formal recognition of Jerusalem as the capital of Israel later on Wednesday, breaking with years of precedent and potentially leading to unpredictable consequences for the Middle East.

But Moffitt's alright with it.

Wonder why.

IAmAClaret · Post by **IAmAClaret** » Wed Dec 06, 2017 3:40 pm

I'm not sure how anyone, with a sane state of mind, can be upset about a building being built in a City. That's all it is.

It only signifies something if you want it too, IE. if you've had your mind warped by religion.

Sidney1st · Post by **Sidney1st** » Wed Dec 06, 2017 3:45 pm

Blue lab is preparing themselves.

Vegas Claret · Post by **Vegas Claret** » Wed Dec 06, 2017 3:49 pm

IAmAClaret wrote:I'm not sure how anyone, with a sane state of mind, can be upset about a building being built in a City. That's all it is.

It only signifies something if you want it too, IE. if you've had your mind warped by religion.

Which is reason enough not to do it

Caernarfon_Claret · Post by **Caernarfon_Claret** » Wed Dec 06, 2017 3:52 pm

It was a campaign pledge so it will be a promise fulfilled to those who voted for him.

ClaretMoffitt · Post by **ClaretMoffitt** » Wed Dec 06, 2017 3:54 pm

UpTheBeehole wrote:But Moffitt's alright with it.

Wonder why.

Because I don't believe in submitting to the threats of religious nutjobs.

aggi · Post by **aggi** » Wed Dec 06, 2017 3:56 pm

A large part of his campaign was capitalising on Muslim fury and the danger to Americans, an increase in that isn't necessarily going to be a bad thing for him personally.

UpTheBeehole · Post by **UpTheBeehole** » Wed Dec 06, 2017 3:58 pm

ClaretMoffitt wrote:Because I don't believe in submitting to the threats of religious nutjobs.

The biggest religious nutjob involved in all of this is Donald Trump, and he's hell-bent on getting as many of his countrymen killed as possible.

Lancasterclaret · Post by **Lancasterclaret** » Wed Dec 06, 2017 4:04 pm

No reason to do it, and he wouldn't do it if he wasn't getting some tact nudges and winks from certain Muslim nations that it would be ok.

ClaretMoffitt · Post by **ClaretMoffitt** » Wed Dec 06, 2017 4:05 pm

UpTheBeehole wrote:The biggest religious nutjob involved in all of this is Donald Trump, and he's hell-bent on getting as many of his countrymen killed as possible.

Apart from the fact he's almost certainly not religious based on everything he's ever said/done prior to running for presidency (which you have to do in America as a republican because they are all morons and won't vote for you otherwise).

If Israel ever gets wiped out, and replaced with an islamic caliphate, then you will really see what bloodshed means. Call me crazy but i'd rather he backs the people who aren't actively trying to kill us.

Bacchus · Post by **Bacchus** » Wed Dec 06, 2017 4:06 pm

ElectroClaret wrote:Not in America's interests, so why do it? It's barmy.

The fallout will probably play right into Trump's hands though.

UpTheBeehole · Post by **UpTheBeehole** » Wed Dec 06, 2017 4:08 pm

ClaretMoffitt wrote:
If Israel ever gets wiped out, and replaced with an islamic caliphate, then you will really see what bloodshed means.

We see enough bloodshed in the Israeli caliphate as it is.

https://www.hrw.org/world-report/2017/c ... /palestine

UpTheBeehole · Post by **UpTheBeehole** » Wed Dec 06, 2017 4:08 pm

Bacchus wrote:The fallout will probably play right into Trump's hands though.

Exactly

He's playing with people's lives, just for the sake of it.

The world's most dangerous troll.

elwaclaret · Post by **elwaclaret** » Wed Dec 06, 2017 4:09 pm

Absolute madness, nothing more than picking fights - his ignorance shows no bounds. It is clearly designed to cause Muslim reaction, but it may also lead to severe problems in his own back yard (which in all likelihood has never entered that pea he calls a brain). Jerusalem is divided equally between the THREE religions who consider it their holy place, not two. Israel are using Trump's complete ignorance to wrestle the city away for themselves, something they've been trying but failing to do since the country was recognised in the 40's. I cannot see that going down too well with America's bible belt.

Sidney1st · Post by **Sidney1st** » Wed Dec 06, 2017 4:10 pm

Three branches of the same religion.

randomclaret2 · Post by **randomclaret2** » Wed Dec 06, 2017 4:10 pm

Political analysis from thr character who describes women as "skanks" and "scrubbers "

cricketfieldclarets · Post by **cricketfieldclarets** » Wed Dec 06, 2017 4:13 pm

Having been to jerusalem. All i can say is the place is nothing like what the media or social media portrays.

Beautiful city where all, from first hand experience at least, live work and get along together. The restrictions between moving to and from the palestinian side are exagerrated beyond belief and there was zero tension at all. I walked all around the area day and night and felt no tension.

Israel, especially Tel Aviv was as safe as Ive ever felt anywhere in the world and more so than many places in western europe.

Jerusalems been recognised as the capital for years. Dont see what the issue is

UpTheBeehole · Post by **UpTheBeehole** » Wed Dec 06, 2017 4:14 pm

randomclaret2 wrote:Political analysis from thr character who describes women as "skanks" and "scrubbers "

You've got that wrong.

I called sections of the Brexit support 'scrubbers', and a prostitute who is inciting racial hatred as a 'skank'.

Lancasterclaret · Post by **Lancasterclaret** » Wed Dec 06, 2017 4:14 pm

Welcome to the board Mr Trump

houseboy · Post by **houseboy** » Wed Dec 06, 2017 4:14 pm

ClaretMoffitt wrote:Perhaps he's not willing to live in constant submission of "Muslim fury" unlike every other western world leader.

There is a massive difference between 'submission' and 'inflammation'. There is nothing too much wrong with protecting your own side (although too how much is another debate) and inflaming a situation which may make any threat worse than it was in the first place. Something like this is NOT protection but it is highly likely that it will make the situation worse. Any 'threat' (I use that term guardedly) to America from Islam is minimal compared to the rest of the world so he can afford to talk the talk without worrying too much about the consequences. I would call him a buffoon but the word buffoon suggests a likeable fool and there is nothing likeable at all about Trump.

Lancasterclaret · Post by **Lancasterclaret** » Wed Dec 06, 2017 4:16 pm

He annoys libtards though, and calls nazis "good people"

There is a reason why he's popular with certain parts of this messageboard.

Corky · Post by **Corky** » Wed Dec 06, 2017 4:22 pm

I know this may be a contrary view, but wouldn't it have been nice if in 1948 the Palestinians had decided to bite the bullet and accept that the Jews should officially have there own homeland. After all they had already been living there in large numbers for many years and that nasty Mr Hitler had been trying to wipe them off the face of the earth. But no, they went down the route of confrontation. And where has that got them; nowhere.

Just think what there lives would be like now if they had welcomed Israel with an olive branch rather than the knife.

houseboy · Post by **houseboy** » Wed Dec 06, 2017 4:25 pm

IAmAClaret wrote:I'm not sure how anyone, with a sane state of mind, can be upset about a building being built in a City. That's all it is.

It only signifies something if you want it too, IE. if you've had your mind warped by religion.

I'm a great believer in keeping religion out of politics, it has no place there as far as I am concerned but Jerusalem is a bit odd. It is a hotly disputed place with Islam, Judaism and Christianity recognising it as important. For Israel to declare it as their capital will upset years of careful balance and, as has been stated above, may/will cause new tensions in an area full of tension already. I agree it is 'only a building' and should not be significant but in this particular case it will not be just a building it will be symbol of control by an already hated nation. There are reasons why this move is being condemned by virtually the whole world, by people far more in the know than us, even people with no vested interest, we should listen to what they are saying.

Cheeseontoast · Post by **Cheeseontoast** » Wed Dec 06, 2017 4:29 pm

Caballo wrote:Because he a is a fame whore and a massive bellsmash.

A massive bellsmash

! Brilliant !!

claretandy · Post by **claretandy** » Wed Dec 06, 2017 4:30 pm

He triggers libtards on a daily basis, for that alone he has my support

UpTheBeehole · Post by **UpTheBeehole** » Wed Dec 06, 2017 4:31 pm

Corky wrote:I know this may be a contrary view, but wouldn't it have been nice if in 1948 the Palestinians had decided to bite the bullet and accept that the Jews should officially have there own homeland. After all they had already been living there in large numbers for many years and that nasty Mr Hitler had been trying to wipe them off the face of the earth. But no, they went down the route of confrontation. And where has that got them; nowhere.

Just think what there lives would be like now if they had welcomed Israel with an olive branch rather than the knife.

Imagine if another country decided that your house, your hometown and the surrounding area was to be taken off you and given to gypsies.

How would you feel?

UpTheBeehole · Post by **UpTheBeehole** » Wed Dec 06, 2017 4:37 pm

UpTheBeehole wrote:Imagine if another country decided that your house, your hometown and the surrounding area was to be taken off you and given to gypsies.

How would you feel?

Oh, and then the gypsies murdered your children for throwing stones at them

Inchy · Post by **Inchy** » Wed Dec 06, 2017 4:39 pm

I am sick to death with religions. All off them. Wish they would just f*ck off and leave the sane folk to live happily

ClaretMoffitt · Post by **ClaretMoffitt** » Wed Dec 06, 2017 4:43 pm

UpTheBeehole wrote:Imagine if another country decided that your house, your hometown and the surrounding area was to be taken off you and given to gypsies.

How would you feel?

UpTheBeehole wrote:
Oh, and then the gypsies murdered your children for throwing stones at them

You seem like quite the expert on middle eastern affairs.

keith1879 · Post by **keith1879** » Wed Dec 06, 2017 4:45 pm

claretandy wrote:He triggers libtards on a daily basis, for that alone he has my support

Just out of interest is there anyone else who, on seeing the word "libtard" in a post, instantly reaches certain (generally unfavourable) conclusions about the validity of the poster's opinions?

randomclaret2 · Post by **randomclaret2** » Wed Dec 06, 2017 4:45 pm

Hes an expert on everything...

dsr · Post by **dsr** » Wed Dec 06, 2017 4:46 pm

houseboy wrote:For Israel to declare it as their capital will upset years of careful balance ...

Israel has declared it as their capital for years. This is about the USA recognising it as the capital.

ClaretMoffitt · Post by **ClaretMoffitt** » Wed Dec 06, 2017 4:48 pm

randomclaret2 wrote:Hes an expert on everything...

He also seems to hate gypsies.

randomclaret2 · Post by **randomclaret2** » Wed Dec 06, 2017 4:49 pm

...very un PC. Hasnt thought it through.

claretandy · Post by **claretandy** » Wed Dec 06, 2017 4:52 pm

keith1879 wrote:Just out of interest is there anyone else who, on seeing the word "libtard" in a post, instantly reaches certain (generally unfavourable) conclusions about the validity of the poster's opinions?

Triggered another one

keith1879 · Post by **keith1879** » Wed Dec 06, 2017 5:02 pm

claretandy wrote:Triggered another one

Mm ....perhaps.

KRBFC · Post by **KRBFC** » Wed Dec 06, 2017 5:11 pm

People will get upset about anything, look at all the English people on here upset on behalf of the Israeli Muslims, hilarious to see. Muslims are a minority in Israel by a large margin to the Jewish. A figure plucked from the internet says 15% of Israel claim to be Muslim.

Corky · Post by **Corky** » Wed Dec 06, 2017 5:13 pm

UpTheBeehole wrote:Imagine if another country decided that your house, your hometown and the surrounding area was to be taken off you and given to gypsies.

How would you feel?

I don't normally get involved in these, quite often, pointless debates but just for you I will make an exception. Not to argue the point with you, you understand, just to offer my views on your mental state.

Are you really as stupid as you make out. Really!!!

Pstotto · Post by **Pstotto** » Wed Dec 06, 2017 5:20 pm

Big Ted on top of the black cube or F-16 off!

Al-al-al-al-la...la-la-la-la!

Deck the crafts with Bells- Agusta,
Al-al-al-al-la...la-la-la-la!

keith1879 · Post by **keith1879** » Wed Dec 06, 2017 5:22 pm

UpTheBeehole wrote:Imagine if another country decided that your house, your hometown and the surrounding area was to be taken off you and given to gypsies.

How would you feel?

Leaving out the "gypsies" reference this is pretty much what seemed to happen when the state of Israel was created. The trouble is that the intention was a good one with millions of homeless persecuted Jewish people being pushed from pillar to post - but it must have seemed manifestly unfair to the existing dwellers in the area. Of course such non-binary opinions have no place on the internet so lets just stick to the usual thoughtless name-calling and have done with it.

Sidney1st · Post by **Sidney1st** » Wed Dec 06, 2017 5:25 pm

Corky wrote:I know this may be a contrary view, but wouldn't it have been nice if in 1948 the Palestinians had decided to bite the bullet and accept that the Jews should officially have there own homeland. After all they had already been living there in large numbers for many years and that nasty Mr Hitler had been trying to wipe them off the face of the earth. But no, they went down the route of confrontation. And where has that got them; nowhere.

Just think what there lives would be like now if they had welcomed Israel with an olive branch rather than the knife.

I don't think anyone asked the Palestinians their opinion, the west/England just made the decision to create Israel without taking into consideration how it would affect the area.

Burnley Ace · Post by **Burnley Ace** » Wed Dec 06, 2017 5:30 pm

keith1879 wrote:Leaving out the "gypsies" reference this is pretty much what seemed to happen when the state of Israel was created. The trouble is that the intention was a good one with millions of homeless persecuted Jewish people being pushed from pillar to post - but it must have seemed manifestly unfair to the existing dwellers in the area. Of course such non-binary opinions have no place on the internet so lets just stick to the usual thoughtless name-calling and have done with it.

Gypsies is an apt reference as Hitler persecuted and they were also included in the Final Solution.

keith1879 · Post by **keith1879** » Wed Dec 06, 2017 6:00 pm

Burnley Ace wrote:Gypsies is an apt reference as Hitler persecuted and they were also included in the Final Solution.

Very fair point - embarassed that it was lost on me .......

Damo · Post by **Damo** » Wed Dec 06, 2017 6:00 pm

randomclaret2 wrote:Political analysis from thr character who describes women as "skanks" and "scrubbers "

The same guy said he wants to "knock out" anyone who is from the political right or something

Damo · Post by **Damo** » Wed Dec 06, 2017 6:01 pm

Maybe trump is just showing some solidarity with Israel given the hostility they face daily from the political left