ARTICLE: Marvin Zeegelaar red card stands

[ClaretTony]

FA turn down Watford appeal

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[summitclaret]

Agree with every world you have written Tony.

[ClaretTony]

If anyone from Everton has been studying his behaviour in these last few days they should be sighing with relief.

[CleggHall]

Well said, couldn't agree more.

[Lowbankclaret]

It was a red card, agreed with the decision all along.

But you have to say some of our own fans thought it wasn't, not sure how but they did.

Tackles like that need to be stamped out.

[what_no_pies]

Silva has come over like a classless expletive on more than one occasion recently.

[Blackrod]

The players behaviour is often a reflection of the manager. Ours play honestly and behave respectfully and there's don't. The negative aspect of foreign imports to the PL.

[JohnMac]

Common sense prevails.

Marco Silva was just disappointed to have let KRBFC down in front of his own fans

[vinrogue]

Arsh Arsh Arsh and now even Arsher. Silva is fast gaining cockwomble status in my eyes. Correct outcome and perhaps a word in his ear from the FA wouldn't go amiss.

[Ashingtonclaret46]

Let's be honest, he is a big fan of Jose, therefore, no surprise that he went off on one.
He could well be using the Jose technique of diversionary tactics because, since beating Arsenal on 14 October, which saw them go fourth in the table, Watford have only won 2 (Newcastle and West Ham) of their last 8 matches.

[ClaretTony]

Silva has come over like a classless expletive on more than one occasion recently.

I'm not sure how that compares with a classy expletive, but I agree with you.

[RocketLawnChair]

Jeepers Creepers,, Mason Zaha and Richarlison all on the same pitch. That could finish Watford 9 Palace 8 all penalties with Benteke missing his !!

[ClaretLoup]

Wright and Mills explained how it all works on R5 as according to them it is all about winning. The players continually chirp away at the ref and question his decision making to put doubts in his mind so that when a 50/50 comes up, supposedly, they get the benefit. The manager's do the same after the game, it deflects from their mistakes and continually puts the officials under pressure when they referee future games. I don't think that Silva is in the systematic bracket like Allardyce, Wenger or the worst exponent Warnock.

Silva's outburst is a bit more perplexing he is claiming Watford are being victimised because they are a small club because in a different game, the Manc Derby, the ref did not send six men off. What it all goes to show is that there is a very subtle difference between refs being consistent in one match to both sides and all the refs being consistent across every game.

[claptrappers_union]

Both feet off the ground, and not in control - what is there to argue.

I remember when Lafferty was banned for more games after it was deemed 'frivolous'. There was a case to argue there, as I remember his heel rolling over the top of the ball and he took the Arsenal players shin.

[ecc]

"Both feet off the ground, and not in control - what is there to argue."

Exactly claptrappers-union. I can't find a link showing it but when watching it live (on TV) I had the impression he might have slipped slightly which, if he did, would have altered his "challenge". Otherwise, it's a red every time. Just like Gary Cahill in the first game of the season.

[Commy]

Wright and Mills explained how it all works on R5 as according to them it is all about winning. The players continually chirp away at the ref and question his decision making to put doubts in his mind so that when a 50/50 comes up, supposedly, they get the benefit. The manager's do the same after the game, it deflects from their mistakes and continually puts the officials under pressure when they referee future games. I don't think that Silva is in the systematic bracket like Allardyce, Wenger or the worst exponent Warnock.

Silva's outburst is a bit more perplexing he is claiming Watford are being victimised because they are a small club because in a different game, the Manc Derby, the ref did not send six men off. What it all goes to show is that there is a very subtle difference between refs being consistent in one match to both sides and all the refs being consistent across every game.

But aren't they the big club when they play us?

[ClaretTony]

Both feet off the ground, and not in control - what is there to argue.

I remember when Lafferty was banned for more games after it was deemed 'frivolous'. There was a case to argue there, as I remember his heel rolling over the top of the ball and he took the Arsenal players shin.

Lafferty didn't have a game added, we didn't even appeal it. He got a four match ban for the Arsenal red card because it was his second red card of the season. So he served a total of seven games over the season.

[Rowls]

I remember when Lafferty was banned for more games after it was deemed 'frivolous'. There was a case to argue there, as I remember his heel rolling over the top of the ball and he took the Arsenal players shin.

Not sure if was Lafferty. Think it may have been Gudjohnsson for a stamp against PNE who was given the extra game for a frivolous appeal.

The referee that game was appalling - he refused a handball on the goalline in the opening minutes because he didn't have the nerve to reduce them to 10 men so early.

We ended up losing the game and having Gudjohnsson sent off.

[claptrappers_union]

Not sure if was Lafferty. Think it may have been Gudjohnsson for a stamp against PNE who was given the extra game for a frivolous appeal.

The referee that game was appalling - he refused a handball on the goalline in the opening minutes because he didn't have the nerve to reduce them to 10 men so early.

We ended up losing the game and having Gudjohnsson sent off.

I think thats what I'm probably getting mixed up with then... As CT correctly pointed out too. I remembered it being more than 3 games and remember a frivolous verdict but I misremembered and thought was because of the appeal. It was Gudjohnsson who received an extra game ban for that Preston sending off.

Can you remember who the 'appalling' referee was by the way?

[Rowls]

Seems so long ago now.

I remember the Lafferty one seeming especially harsh.

We all know the rule now. Back then it was something new. You used to have to demonstrate an obvious malicious intent to get a straight red for a challenge. These days, it's enough to demonstrate a "lack of control". Whether we agree with the new wording, we all know it nowadays.

Except for Silva, apparently.

[JohnMcGreal]

Not sure if was Lafferty. Think it may have been Gudjohnsson for a stamp against PNE who was given the extra game for a frivolous appeal.

The referee that game was appalling - he refused a handball on the goalline in the opening minutes because he didn't have the nerve to reduce them to 10 men so early.

We ended up losing the game and having Gudjohnsson sent off.

Wasn't it Lee Mason who refereed that game?

[Rowls]

Wasn't it Lee Mason who refereed that game?

Think it might have been.

Had a friend in the away end who texted me to confirm it was the clearest handball on the goal line he had seen NOT given. It must've been only about 2 minutes in.

I can still remember the ref sprinting off to the corner flag like he was possessed by Usain Bolt in an attempt to avoid facing up to it. That was what was really problematic about it - we all know he saw it. It wasn't that he missed the incident or that his view was obstructed. He saw it plain as daylight and decided to cop out of making the correct decision.

Call me bitter but it still rankles to this day.

[Rowls]

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It was Lee Mason.

When the opposition manager acknowledges they're on the end of a "lucky" decision you know the ref got it badly wrong.

[Rowls]

Another report on that match:

http://www.lancashiretelegraph.co.uk/ne ... rth_End_3/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

[NottsClaret]

Call me bitter but it still rankles to this day.

Too right. I can handle an incompetent ref, and half expect the subconscious 'big club' bias - it's part and parcel of the Prem.

But he completely bottled the most obvious penalty / sending off you'll ever see there. Can't believe he's still reffing (badly), it feels like a lifetime ago.

[ClaretTony]

It was the Joey Gudjonsson red that we appealed and got an extra game for.

Back to the Watford red last Saturday, apologies for quality of pic and if it has already been posted. I saw this on SSN this morning and shows quite clearly that he is out of control with both feet off the ground.

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[Vegas Claret]

the FA must have stopped doing the frivolous appeal extra game ban because I see no justification for not adding one to this appeal

[THEWELLERNUT70]

The people saying it shouldn't have been a sending off on Saturday are probably the same people who thought that Arsenals penalty was a stonewaller recently.

There's some proper mouthbreathers on here

[houseboy]

They looked at it on the day on MOTD. It wasn't a 'dangerous' tackle in the overall sense (I've seen a lot worse) but it WAS a two footed tackle and as such is a red card. I don't know what the 'harsh harsh harsh' bit was about. These days a two footed tackle is a red card and the ref had no choice.
It certainly wasn't as harsh as the penalty against us when we played the cheating gunners.

[ClaretPope]

Any reaction from the well balanced Marco Silva?

[BFCmaj]

Tackles like that need to be stamped out.

And stamping also needs to be tackled.

[Silkyskills1]

And stamping also needs to be tackled.

Hopefully tackling isn't stamped out!!

[SalisburyClaret]

The real surprise is that the FA got something right - suppose it had to happen sometime

[boatshed bill]

The real surprise is that the FA got something right - suppose it had to happen sometime

I'm glad they backed their employee.
OK, some may have thought the sending off was a bit harsh, but imagine what the game could have turned into had he not stamped his authority on it.

[Giftonsnoidea]

It was a bad challenge but I must say Defour is very good at the continental way of looking like he was massively taken out. How many players has he got sent off for us, these other teams should do their homework.