Retro Ban For Tarks?

Steve-Harpers-perm · Post by **Steve-Harpers-perm** » Sun Dec 17, 2017 10:38 am

Hipper wrote:I've seen it on TV and to say it wasn't deliberate......

I hope our club do the right thing and fine Tarkowski for his stupid elbowing, perhaps even dropping him for one game to bring the point home. It's irrelevant what went before. That sort of behaviour is completely unacceptable for someone in a Burnley shirt.

Dropping him!? Seriously??

summitclaret · Post by **summitclaret** » Sun Dec 17, 2017 10:38 am

Stupid from Tarks. Needs to learn and should be disiplined internally whatever else happens.

Good point though about the ref possibly seeing it. He was quite near. Maybe he did not want to give another pen so soon and maybe the liner, who did not flag for the pen. that Murray missed, subsquently told him it was a bad decision. Here's hoping anyway.

claretblue · Post by **claretblue** » Sun Dec 17, 2017 10:48 am

[quote="jlup1980"]He'll be out for a couple of games, silly boy.

Spurs + Man Utd

Burnleys disciplinary record since Dyche became manager has been exemplary - something all Clarets should be rightly proud of!

no diving for pens, hounding referees, clogging, or dishing it out when the refs not looking (the camaras are everwhere at Premier matches!)

...hope he's as disappointed as I am!

UTC

Bertiebeehead · Post by **Bertiebeehead** » Sun Dec 17, 2017 10:52 am

He should be tarred and feathered how dare he let us down like this!

Lancasterclaret · Post by **Lancasterclaret** » Sun Dec 17, 2017 10:55 am

Nailed on ban I'm afraid.

Been great for us, but that is something that I hope we don't see him do again

Stproc · Post by **Stproc** » Sun Dec 17, 2017 10:56 am

Surely if it’s below the throat then it is not a ban. Had the ref seen it then it would have been a booking not a sending off offence. So why would it be a ban?

cricketfieldclarets · Post by **cricketfieldclarets** » Sun Dec 17, 2017 11:02 am

Ashingtonclaret46 wrote:Arfield didn't receive a caution. Taylor and Barnes were the only two Clarets to be cautioned.

Im almost sure i saw arfield cautioned. Must have been taylor. That said i definitely saw knockheart rolling round punching the floor like he had snapped his leg until the fk was awarded. Pretty sure a yellow was shown too but maya be wrong then.

Lancasterclaret · Post by **Lancasterclaret** » Sun Dec 17, 2017 11:03 am

I'm not sure that will work, its effectively a deliberate elbow in the chest.

The only argument would be that he didn't mean it, I somehow don't think that one will wash having seen it myself.

claretspice · Post by **claretspice** » Sun Dec 17, 2017 11:04 am

Lancasterclaret wrote:I'm not sure that will work, its effectively a deliberate elbow in the chest.

The only argument would be that he didn't mean it, I somehow don't think that one will wash having seen it myself.

It is a fair observation that I've seen bookings given for that by the ref in the past (to Barnes, amongst others), although I do think a ban is possible.

taio · Post by **taio** » Sun Dec 17, 2017 11:06 am

A ban would be far too severe but nothing surprises me with this sort of stuff. Not a big deal really so hopefully nothing will come of it.

cricketfieldclarets · Post by **cricketfieldclarets** » Sun Dec 17, 2017 11:08 am

Let'sChaseTheDragon wrote:I was doing the same- saw it coming and Tarks is still learning not to get too tight. As brilliant as he has been, he still defends a little too "physically", given all of the diving that goes on. Easy to say from the armchair, I know.

I have the benefit of seeing 8 replays on NBC as I watch each game- absolute cheating from Murray, pushing his leg back and hooking it between Tarks'.

Yep. Was inevitible given how tighy he gets and the size of him. The games gone soft i must add.

cricketfieldclarets · Post by **cricketfieldclarets** » Sun Dec 17, 2017 11:09 am

KRBFC wrote:The penalty was blatant cheating, the standard of refereeing has nosedived over the last few years. I think the recent obsession with stamping out diving has made the referees look even more clueless. The Tark incident is stupidity and deserves a ban, its no surprise most on here don't think so yet would be the first ones crying if it was the other way around.

100 percent. Even without seeing the pen properly i said yesterday that yesterdays ref was the perfect example of one who has never played the game.

Lancasterclaret · Post by **Lancasterclaret** » Sun Dec 17, 2017 11:10 am

I don't think I've seen anything as blatant as Tarks elbow though since I saw Roger Eli rabbit punch someone on the chest in the old Div 4 days to be fair Spice.

It would be very nice though if the ref had seen it and thought it wasn't worth mentioning though!

claretblue · Post by **claretblue** » Sun Dec 17, 2017 11:30 am

'...Had the ref seen it then it would have been a booking not a sending off offence...'

had the referee seen it - it would have been another penalty to Brighton!

turfytopper · Post by **turfytopper** » Sun Dec 17, 2017 11:34 am

Bans for Murray and possibly Tarks.I think Izquierdo is ok 'cos the referee didn't get conned?

But Murray will definitely be in for a Christmas with the family

Lowbankclaret · Post by **Lowbankclaret** » Sun Dec 17, 2017 11:41 am

Now I have seen it, looks like it could be a ban, but so should Izquierdo for that dive.

Rileybobs · Post by **Rileybobs** » Sun Dec 17, 2017 11:50 am

I would be confident to bet a decent amount of cash on Murray avoiding a ban. ‘Contact’ will give the diving panel a get out. I can only see dives with absolutely no contact, like Izquerdo’s, punished. Although he won’t get a ban either of course because he didn’t fool the ref, which is a ridiculous situation.

As for Tarks. There wasn’t a great deal in it and it’s similar to a lot of jostling that goes on in the box. But we wouldn’t really have grounds to complain if he got a ban.

Claret&Green · Post by **Claret&Green** » Sun Dec 17, 2017 11:52 am

TeesClaret wrote:There was nothing in it. Ridiculous if he gets a ban for that.

That's just the point nowt in it, except he was wearing a Burnley shirt therefore automatic 18 month suspension for assault.

Guich · Post by **Guich** » Sun Dec 17, 2017 12:01 pm

Mendy is a successful cheat
Ramsay is a successful cheat
Richarleson is an unsuccessful cheat
Murray is an unsuccessful cheat.

The officials aren't up to stopping this filth in the game. The Premier League and FA are spineless.

Tarks has been the victim twice recently. He shouldn't have, but he took the law into his own hands and I'm proud of him.

Murray got exactly what he deserved.

DCWat · Post by **DCWat** » Sun Dec 17, 2017 12:07 pm

Seen by the referee at the time and I’d say it would have been a yellow and a penalty.

Any retrospective punishment therefore shouldn’t be greater than the punishment that Tarkowski would have received.

Other incidents in the game mean nothing and that’s how it should be. Whether or not Murray went down too easily from the elbow we will never know - caught in the right place and it could easily have knocked the wind out of him, but by the same token, he could have been acting again.

Vino blanco · Post by **Vino blanco** » Sun Dec 17, 2017 12:16 pm

I think it's time for Mr Dyche to have a quiet word with Tarkowski: telling him not to cause contact with opposing players in the penalty area, when they are heading away from the goal and causing no immediate danger, plus letting him know that cameras are watching every move that players make now and elbows to the ribs of opponents is sheer stupidity.

NottsClaret · Post by **NottsClaret** » Sun Dec 17, 2017 12:16 pm

He'll get a three game ban. You can happily argue, "yeah, but what about <.........>", which is fine but it's still a ban for Tarks.

RalphCoatesComb · Post by **RalphCoatesComb** » Sun Dec 17, 2017 12:20 pm

Unfortunately, Tarks deserves a ban for his "look of intent". It was silly and he got away with it.

But so much goes on inside the penalty area at every corner and free kick.

If Refs saw everything, to did something about it, we'd end up with 9-a-side games every week.

Goodclaret · Post by **Goodclaret** » Sun Dec 17, 2017 12:20 pm

Definite ban heading Tarks way and we can't complain. He was stupid and would have been sent off if the ref had seen it.

The frustrating thing is challenges like Ali's go unpunished. The rule has to change that bans can be given even if the ref has, supposedly, seen any incident.

RalphCoatesComb · Post by **RalphCoatesComb** » Sun Dec 17, 2017 12:22 pm

Vino blanco wrote:I think it's time for Mr Dyche to have a quiet word with Tarkowski.

That is probably the problem here. He HAS had a word, telling Tarks how HE used to do things

IanMcL · Post by **IanMcL** » Sun Dec 17, 2017 12:24 pm

Either 3 players all get bans, or Christmas good cheer takes effect and a clean sheet for all.

Tall Paul · Post by **Tall Paul** » Sun Dec 17, 2017 12:24 pm

Rileybobs wrote:I would be confident to bet a decent amount of cash on Murray avoiding a ban. ‘Contact’ will give the diving panel a get out. I can only see dives with absolutely no contact, like Izquerdo’s, punished. Although he won’t get a ban either of course because he didn’t fool the ref, which is a ridiculous situation.

Read their reasons for banning Niasse, there was contact in that incident as well.

nil_desperandum · Post by **nil_desperandum** » Sun Dec 17, 2017 12:25 pm

NottsClaret wrote:He'll get a three game ban. You can happily argue, "yeah, but what about <.........>", which is fine but it's still a ban for Tarks.

Wouldn't it have to be a red card offence for him to get a 3 game ban?
My reading, which many seem to agree with is: elbow to face or neck, straight red; elbow to ribs, foul, penalty and yellow card.
(I do agree he'll be banned though, because he doesn't play for one of the supposed "elite" clubs.)

Tall Paul · Post by **Tall Paul** » Sun Dec 17, 2017 12:28 pm

nil_desperandum wrote:Wouldn't it have to be a red card offence for him to get a 3 game ban?
My reading, which many seem to agree with is: elbow to face or neck, straight red; elbow to ribs, foul, penalty and yellow card.
(I do agree he'll be banned though, because he doesn't play for one of the supposed "elite" clubs.)

It's violent conduct, clearly a red card offence.

whentheballmoves · Post by **whentheballmoves** » Sun Dec 17, 2017 2:39 pm

Whether or not it was red or yellow worthy is up for debate. However, it looked to me like he did it before the throw in was taken, and therefore wouldn't be a penalty.

nil_desperandum · Post by **nil_desperandum** » Sun Dec 17, 2017 2:45 pm

whentheballmoves wrote:Whether or not it was red or yellow worthy is up for debate. However, it looked to me like he did it before the throw in was taken, and therefore wouldn't be a penalty.

If true, then a very good and relevant point.

whentheballmoves · Post by **whentheballmoves** » Sun Dec 17, 2017 2:52 pm

If the ball is not in play, it cannot be a penalty. Like when Caldwell won us a penalty vs Blackpool in 08 09. It was a foul, but before the kick... Shouldn't have been awarded.

scouseclaret · Post by **scouseclaret** » Sun Dec 17, 2017 3:15 pm

Vino blanco wrote:I think it's time for Mr Dyche to have a quiet word with Tarkowski: telling him not to cause contact with opposing players in the penalty area, when they are heading away from the goal and causing no immediate danger, plus letting him know that cameras are watching every move that players make now and elbows to the ribs of opponents is sheer stupidity.

Tarks did not cause contact though did he? It was the most blatant example of the a forward deliberately hooking his foot round a defender’s leg I’ve ever seen - and that really is saying something. I can forgive the ref for not seeing it that way but the linesman has no excuse

Firthy · Post by **Firthy** » Sun Dec 17, 2017 3:18 pm

If they give Tarks a retro ban for that they'll have to ban half the premier league players. Off the ball incidents happen in every game and nearly all caught on camera and nothing is done so doubt anything will be done in this case.

nil_desperandum · Post by **nil_desperandum** » Sun Dec 17, 2017 3:20 pm

scouseclaret wrote:Tarks did not cause contact though did he? It was the most blatant example of the a forward deliberately hooking his foot round a defender’s leg I’ve ever seen - and that really is saying something. I can forgive the ref for not seeing it that way but the linesman has no excuse

The linesman didn't flag though. It was clearly the referee who made the call, and as you imply, he was in no position to judge.

BarnleyBurnsley · Post by **BarnleyBurnsley** » Sun Dec 17, 2017 3:35 pm

Don't know why players still think they can get away with things like that when every move is covered by cameras. They must be thicker than the thickest man in thickville!

Goodclaret · Post by **Goodclaret** » Sun Dec 17, 2017 3:37 pm

BarnleyBurnsley wrote:Don't know why players still think they can get away with things like that when every move is covered by cameras. They must be thicker than the thickest man in thickville!

wilks_bfc · Post by **wilks_bfc** » Sun Dec 17, 2017 3:52 pm

BarnleyBurnsley wrote:They must be thicker than the thickest man in thickville!

He’s the cousin of the proudest man in Proudsville isn’t he?

jojomk1 · Post by **jojomk1** » Sun Dec 17, 2017 4:37 pm

A ban is almost certain to follow his stupid actions - two wrongs don't don't make a right

It will hurt us if he is banned, and it also won't do him any favours with regard to possibly losing the chance to shine against 3 of the top clubs over the Xmas period

iw1961 · Post by **iw1961** » Sun Dec 17, 2017 4:59 pm

Just watched it and cannot see how it was accidental. He clearly gives him a dig before rolling round him. Anything less than a three match ban and he has got away with it.

Rick_Muller · Post by **Rick_Muller** » Sun Dec 17, 2017 5:05 pm

Yes he’s stupid for doing it, but I said it before on the Ramsey (cheating TW@T) thread that contact is allowed in football and it’s not bloody netball where you can’t actually touch someone. I have decided that Murray is also a cheat and actually deserved a small dig in the ribs, but I don’t condone Tarks for doing it. A ban will be harsh in my opinion.

Lord Beamish · Post by **Lord Beamish** » Sun Dec 17, 2017 5:21 pm

I’ll be very relieved if he doesn’t get a ban; I expect he will, mind.

pureclaret · Post by **pureclaret** » Sun Dec 17, 2017 5:42 pm

IMO I think (now theres a surprise) that Murray should be banned for the trip he orcastrated (or castration) that he blatently cheated to get a penalty also the other guy who dived. Given that that would be ''2 dives'' then a point deduction would clear up diving for most except arsenal (im not a bitter person) Unfortunately I think that Tarks also deserves punishment. but do feel should be no more than 2 match ban.
But knowing how we get treated it will be 3 match ban for tarks and nothing for the Brighton players

Cooperclaret · Post by **Cooperclaret** » Sun Dec 17, 2017 5:47 pm

Burnley fans wanting one of our own banned !!!!

(And to add - having a fantastic season and playing his nuts off !!!)

Worlds gone mad !

Goodclaret · Post by **Goodclaret** » Sun Dec 17, 2017 5:51 pm

Cooperclaret wrote:Burnley fans wanting one of our own banned !!!!

(And to add - having a fantastic season and playing his nuts off !!!)

Worlds gone mad !

I'm not sure any of us want him banned. I sure as hell don't. We are saying he will be because he elbowed someone off the ball. Just because he's a good player doesn't mean he can get away with it.

k90bfc · Post by **k90bfc** » Sun Dec 17, 2017 5:55 pm

To clear this up,just ask Andy Lochhead,MURRAY CHEATING WIMP,Back in the day,proper players,couldnt lace Andys boots up!

yorkyclaret · Post by **yorkyclaret** » Sun Dec 17, 2017 6:28 pm

What's the point in us being a top 6 club if we can't get off with this sort of thing? Ball not in play, Ref saw it, be reight.

ClaretTony · Post by **ClaretTony** » Sun Dec 17, 2017 6:31 pm

ElectroClaret wrote:For the elbow?

Be a big loss.

I'd be amazed - had the referee seen that there would not have been a red card.

KRBFC · Post by **KRBFC** » Sun Dec 17, 2017 6:35 pm

ClaretTony wrote:I'd be amazed - had the referee seen that there would not have been a red card.

Of course it wouldn't... Do you actually believe that?

I don't know how people are defending a clear intentional elbow.

ClaretTony · Post by **ClaretTony** » Sun Dec 17, 2017 6:41 pm

KRBFC wrote:Of course it wouldn't... Do you actually believe that? I don't know how people are defending a clear intentional elbow.

Not sure why you quoted me because I wasn't defending it, what I was saying is that I believe it to be no more than a yellow. But, there again, unlike yourself, I'm not always looking for the negative angle where our club is concerned.