How does the 25 man squad work?

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How does the 25 man squad work?

Post by clarethomer » Sun Dec 17, 2017 10:09 am

Not sure if I have fully understood this but we have to name a 25 man squad I believe which can be larger I believe because it ignores certain players due to age (?)

Just wondering what our squad looks like to meet these numbers and what that will mean in January for transfers?

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Re: How does the 25 man squad work?

Post by Roosterbooster » Sun Dec 17, 2017 10:43 am

Current squad:

Burnley
25 Squad players (*=Home grown)
Arfield, Scott
Bardsley, Phillip Anthony*
Barnes, Ashley Luke*
Brady, Robert*
Cork, Jack Frank Porteous*
Defour, Steven Arnold
Gudmundsson, Johann Berg
Heaton, Thomas David*
Hendrick, Jeffrey Patrick*
Legzdins, Adam Richard*
Long, Kevin Finbarr*
Lowton, Matthew John*
Marney, Dean Edward*
Mee, Benjamin Thomas*
Pope, Nicholas David*
Tarkowski, James Alan*
Taylor, Charles James*
Ulvestad, Fredrik
Vokes, Samuel Michael*
Walters, Jonathan Ronald*
Ward, Stephen Robert
Wells, Nahki
Westwood, Ashley Roy*
Wood, Chris*

Under-21 players (Contract and Scholars)
Agyei, Daniel Ebenezer Kwasi
Allan Meredith, Dylon Thomas
Bayode, Olatunde Tobias
Birch, Arlen Tom
Bruce, Adam David
Chakwana, Tinashe
Clarke, James Michael Neil
Cropper, Jordan
Dunne, James Gerard
Egan, Leighton Michael Paul
Flowers, Harry Edward
Fowler, Michael
Ginnelly, Joshua Lloyd
Harris, William
Howarth, Mark David
Jackson, Bradley Allen
Jumeau, Tristan Samuel
Kershaw, Ethan Samuel
King, Connor Lewis
Koiki, Abd-Al-Ali Morakinyo Olaposi
Layton, Samuel Jay Dixon
Leitch, Robbie
Limb, Harry
Massanka, Ntumba
McNeil, Dwight James Matthew
Metz, Khius
Mitchell, Conor
Moss, Daniel Thomas
Mpofu, Kwazinkosi
Mupariwa, Terry Tauyanashe
N'Guessan, Christian Dashiell Ruhemann
Nabi, Rahis
O'Neill, Aiden Connor
Samms, Akim McKenzie
Stone, Aiden Thomas
Taylor, Richard Akinfolarin
Thomas, Bobby Craig
Thomas, Jamie Carl
Wilson, Scott John
Wood, Tommy Paul
Wusiewicz, Marcel
Yari, Kian
Younger, Oliver

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Re: How does the 25 man squad work?

Post by Roosterbooster » Sun Dec 17, 2017 10:45 am

Allowed a squad of 25 players, a maximum of 17 non home grown. Under 21s do not get counted in this

We currently have 24 registered, only 6 are classed as non home grown

We can therefore only sign 1 over 21 player, unless we sell or deregister a player

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Re: How does the 25 man squad work?

Post by JohnDearyMe » Mon Dec 18, 2017 1:18 pm

Roosterbooster wrote:Allowed a squad of 25 players, a maximum of 17 non home grown. Under 21s do not get counted in this

We currently have 24 registered, only 6 are classed as non home grown

We can therefore only sign 1 over 21 player, unless we sell or deregister a player
I'm guessing that clubs are not allowed to deregister players who are out for the season like Brady?
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Re: How does the 25 man squad work?

Post by houseboy » Mon Dec 18, 2017 1:27 pm

[quote="Roosterbooster"]Current squad:

Burnley
25 Squad players (*=Home grown)
Arfield, Scott
Bardsley, Phillip Anthony*
Barnes, Ashley Luke*
Brady, Robert*
Cork, Jack Frank Porteous*"


Porteous??? Now that IS a name to go to bed with. His parents must be brilliant.

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Re: How does the 25 man squad work?

Post by Darthlaw » Mon Dec 18, 2017 1:29 pm

JohnDearyMe wrote:I'm guessing that clubs are not allowed to deregister plays who are out for the season like Brady?

Pretty sure they can.
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Re: How does the 25 man squad work?

Post by ClaretTony » Mon Dec 18, 2017 1:31 pm

JohnDearyMe wrote:I'm guessing that clubs are not allowed to deregister plays who are out for the season like Brady?
We had to submit the list when the window closed at start of September. You can add to it, if you have space, as we did with Anders Lindegaard. That list is in place until the end of December and then we have to submit another at the start of February once the January transfer window has closed.
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Re: How does the 25 man squad work?

Post by Tall Paul » Mon Dec 18, 2017 1:31 pm

JohnDearyMe wrote:I'm guessing that clubs are not allowed to deregister plays who are out for the season like Brady?
A new squad list is submitted after the January transfer window.

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Re: How does the 25 man squad work?

Post by JTClaret » Mon Dec 18, 2017 1:35 pm

Can someone tell me why Arfield and Ward aren't homegrown when others are?

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Re: How does the 25 man squad work?

Post by ClaretTony » Mon Dec 18, 2017 1:36 pm

JTClaret wrote:Can someone tell me why Arfield and Ward aren't homegrown when others are?
Because they were in other countries in the qualifying years.


RULE: A Home Grown player will be defined as one who, irrespective of his nationality or age, has been registered with any club affiliated to the Football Association or the Football Association of Wales for a period, continuous or not, of three entire seasons or 36 months prior to his 21st birthday (or the end of the season during which he turns 21).

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Re: How does the 25 man squad work?

Post by Sidney1st » Mon Dec 18, 2017 1:38 pm

The homegrown rule is bol locks, we all know that when you look at the likes of Arsenal's youth team and Fabregas being considered homegrown.
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Re: How does the 25 man squad work?

Post by JTClaret » Mon Dec 18, 2017 1:49 pm

ClaretTony wrote:Because they were in other countries in the qualifying years.


RULE: A Home Grown player will be defined as one who, irrespective of his nationality or age, has been registered with any club affiliated to the Football Association or the Football Association of Wales for a period, continuous or not, of three entire seasons or 36 months prior to his 21st birthday (or the end of the season during which he turns 21).

Thanks. Suppose it was a case of not know their careers and comparing them to Walters, Hendrick and Brady

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Re: How does the 25 man squad work?

Post by ClaretTony » Mon Dec 18, 2017 1:51 pm

JTClaret wrote:Thanks. Suppose it was a case of not know their careers and comparing them to Walters, Hendrick and Brady
Walters is a Scouser in any case.

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Re: How does the 25 man squad work?

Post by ClaretTony » Mon Dec 18, 2017 1:53 pm

Sidney1st wrote:The homegrown rule is bol locks, we all know that when you look at the likes of Arsenal's youth team and Fabregas being considered homegrown.
Which is spot on, he was at Arsenal. It is no different than any of the non-British players we currently have in our academy. If they go on to reach the first team and need a place in the 25, they will be considered home grown. It's home grown (i.e. come through the academy at an English club) not home born.

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Re: How does the 25 man squad work?

Post by Tall Paul » Mon Dec 18, 2017 1:54 pm

ClaretTony wrote:Walters is a Scouser in any case.
Don't let any scousers hear you say that, he's a plastic scouser from the Wirral.

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Re: How does the 25 man squad work?

Post by ClaretTony » Mon Dec 18, 2017 1:57 pm

Tall Paul wrote:Don't let any scousers hear you say that, he's a plastic scouser from the Wirral.

Ooops - he won't like that then, another Ian Woan :D

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Re: How does the 25 man squad work?

Post by Sidney1st » Mon Dec 18, 2017 2:03 pm

ClaretTony wrote:Which is spot on, he was at Arsenal. It is no different than any of the non-British players we currently have in our academy. If they go on to reach the first team and need a place in the 25, they will be considered home grown. It's home grown (i.e. come through the academy at an English club) not home born.
I just think it's a poor rule that helps to restrict the chances of actual homegrown players.

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Re: How does the 25 man squad work?

Post by JTClaret » Mon Dec 18, 2017 2:04 pm

ClaretTony wrote:Walters is a Scouser in any case.
Is he?? Bloody hell, I need to start finding out more about our players :lol:

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Re: How does the 25 man squad work?

Post by ClaretTony » Mon Dec 18, 2017 2:05 pm

Sidney1st wrote:I just think it's a poor rule that helps to restrict the chances of actual homegrown players.
They are homegrown - don't think it restricts anyone's chances, just gives academies some perceived better players. We've a few in now from Australia and we've had a number previously from Ireland, don't think we have just now. The last thing we want to do is start restricting that sort of player coming in.

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Re: How does the 25 man squad work?

Post by UpTheBeehole » Mon Dec 18, 2017 2:06 pm

Walters is from the Wirral

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Re: How does the 25 man squad work?

Post by ablueclaret » Mon Dec 18, 2017 2:09 pm

If we had a reliable European scouting system we could have our own home grown Spaniards.

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Re: How does the 25 man squad work?

Post by ClaretTony » Mon Dec 18, 2017 2:37 pm

ablueclaret wrote:If we had a reliable European scouting system we could have our own home grown Spaniards.
and if you stopped posting garbage, this board would be a much better place.

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Re: How does the 25 man squad work?

Post by clarethomer » Thu Dec 21, 2017 12:18 pm

Current squad:
So from the list below, I can only see Brady and Ulvestad not making the 25 when we resubmit in Feb unless we send some out on loan until the end of the season - like walters/wells for example. Possibly Marney too?

This surely shows that if we are going to buy in January, we are going to have to make some good buys if they are going to play this season.



Burnley
25 Squad players (*=Home grown)
Arfield, Scott
Bardsley, Phillip Anthony*
Barnes, Ashley Luke*
Brady, Robert*
Cork, Jack Frank Porteous*
Defour, Steven Arnold
Gudmundsson, Johann Berg
Heaton, Thomas David*
Hendrick, Jeffrey Patrick*
Legzdins, Adam Richard*
Long, Kevin Finbarr*
Lowton, Matthew John*
Marney, Dean Edward*
Mee, Benjamin Thomas*
Pope, Nicholas David*
Tarkowski, James Alan*
Taylor, Charles James*
Ulvestad, Fredrik
Vokes, Samuel Michael*
Walters, Jonathan Ronald*
Ward, Stephen Robert
Wells, Nahki
Westwood, Ashley Roy*
Wood, Chris*

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Re: How does the 25 man squad work?

Post by Foulthrow » Thu Dec 21, 2017 12:38 pm

Surely this 'home grown' rule simply encourages the 'big' clubs to go around the world hoovering up any potential talent at a young age? Seems exploitative to me.

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