Those who might leave

ablueclaret · Post by **ablueclaret** » Mon Dec 18, 2017 10:02 am

With another year in the League almost assured it might be the time for some players to move on Long, Marney, Ulvestad, possibly one of Vokes Barnes or Wells, maybe Arfield and several of the youngsters out on loan, keeping players here who are not going to feature in that future doesn't make sense for them or us and January is the time to recruit for next season.

Woonderbah · Post by **Woonderbah** » Mon Dec 18, 2017 10:12 am

You've seen enough of Wells to want to move him on already ?
Wow

CleggHall · Post by **CleggHall** » Mon Dec 18, 2017 10:12 am

Amazing nonsense - Long, Vokes, Barnes and Arfield have all been major contributors to our recent success and Wells may get his chance in 2018. You do come out with some rubbish ablue, try to engage the brain before posting.

BigChaCha · Post by **BigChaCha** » Mon Dec 18, 2017 10:15 am

I was hoping this was going to be about certain posters on this board!

Longside4evr · Post by **Longside4evr** » Mon Dec 18, 2017 10:17 am

Wells reported to be going out to Villa on loan

jrgbfc · Post by **jrgbfc** » Mon Dec 18, 2017 10:26 am

I'm starting to think Wells was a massive panic buy after we realised we'd signed a crock in Walters.

ClaretTony · Post by **ClaretTony** » Mon Dec 18, 2017 10:28 am

jrgbfc wrote:I'm starting to think Wells was a massive panic buy after we realised we'd signed a crock in Walters.

How on earth can a player who we know to be injured be considered a panic buy?

Amazing that people still can't see how good our recruitment has been in recent years.

LeadBelly · Post by **LeadBelly** » Mon Dec 18, 2017 10:29 am

Maybe Ulvestad but re of the others:
Arfield: doing a fine job in for Brady, he seems a bit of a talisman, played a big part in our rise;
Vokes, Barnes (& Long most recently): all made good contributions to our season & league position.
Marney will be a grand back up for defensive MF & wouldn't let us down.
Wells- we bought him with an injury and he's just getting there. Not sure why we'd let him go at this stage (other than maybe short loan to get some decent-level game time).

Can't see people queuing up to leave a team doing so well when they can see that "understudies" do get the opportunity to play and a chance of retaining a place if impressing.

Dyched · Post by **Dyched** » Mon Dec 18, 2017 10:33 am

jrgbfc wrote:I'm starting to think Wells was a massive panic buy after we realised we'd signed a crock in Walters.

So you're saying Sean thought **** Walters is knackered y'know what lets get a player in who is currently injured to replace him

Inchy · Post by **Inchy** » Mon Dec 18, 2017 10:36 am

It’s a strange one. Part of me thinks we need better players in certain areas but we are 6th and are likely to finish in the top half.

If we want to improve on what we have we will have to spend silly money.

When it comes to recruitment I have huffed and puffed about our transfer dealings in the past few years. But time and time again we improve on the pitch. In September I was worried we didn’t have another winger, worried we didn’t have enough CB cover, worried we don’t have a pacey striker. And yet we sit 6 coming into xmas.

Basically il trust Dyche to pick his players and stop worrying about incomings during the window

jurek · Post by **jurek** » Mon Dec 18, 2017 10:42 am

I suppose the biggest worry might be whether someone comes in for
any of better players rather than who, of our more peripheral players might leave.
I think if we do bring in anyone it will be more likely to be someone who
will fit the bill in the long run rather than someone who can hit the deck running.

But it would be great, having said that if we could mange to bring in someone
who could slot in and make a difference.

Sidney1st · Post by **Sidney1st** » Mon Dec 18, 2017 10:43 am

Long - Kevin or Chris?
No one's asked that question yet.

Marney isn't fit yet so won't go in January, unless it's a short term loan to regain full fitness.

Vokes won't be going anywhere, nor will Barnes.
Arfield has proven he can still play a part.

Why did you start another thread about buying in players when you just needed one for both?

mickleoverclaret · Post by **mickleoverclaret** » Mon Dec 18, 2017 10:45 am

CleggHall wrote:Amazing nonsense - Long, Vokes, Barnes and Arfield have all been major contributors to our recent success and Wells may get his chance in 2018. You do come out with some rubbish ablue, try to engage the brain before posting.

To be fair saying Long has been a major contributor to our recent success is almost as nonsensical.

TomtheClaret · Post by **TomtheClaret** » Mon Dec 18, 2017 10:55 am

Was so hoping this was about board members who post shite and don't attend matches. And abc was going to lead them to Darwin

Funkydrummer · Post by **Funkydrummer** » Mon Dec 18, 2017 11:00 am

mickleoverclaret wrote:To be fair saying Long has been a major contributor to our recent success is almost as nonsensical.

We would have been up wotsit creek without him, I have to say.

BleedingClaret · Post by **BleedingClaret** » Mon Dec 18, 2017 11:05 am

mickleoverclaret wrote:To be fair saying Long has been a major contributor to our recent success is almost as nonsensical.

Could be about to be though, and I'm glad we have him.

jrgbfc · Post by **jrgbfc** » Mon Dec 18, 2017 11:25 am

I'd be surprised if Marney played for us again now to be honest unless we get a massive injury crisis. Problem is with our strikers there all much of a muchness. Don't see how Wells and Walters are going to get the chance to make a meaningful contribution when realistically their only game time is going to be thrown on for 10 minutes here and there.

ablueclaret · Post by **ablueclaret** » Mon Dec 18, 2017 11:33 am

So we're just going to build a vast squad?
Players particularly the type we sign like to be involved playing and quite a few must realise their careers would be better advanced away from here.
If we have gleaned enough points by early January I fancy we may see a few furthering their careers elsewhere.

Blackrod · Post by **Blackrod** » Mon Dec 18, 2017 11:38 am

Arfield and Barnes are valuable ( to us) members of the squad. They would be hard to replace as they they know how we work inside out. It's clear you don't watch us much.

ElectroClaret · Post by **ElectroClaret** » Mon Dec 18, 2017 11:48 am

jrgbfc wrote:I'm starting to think Wells was a massive panic buy after we realised we'd signed a crock in Walters.

Bet you were one of those budding Mourhinos on here who said
Bardsley was a mistake as well.

biggles · Post by **biggles** » Mon Dec 18, 2017 11:54 am

we are in a position to improve on what we have. nowt wrong with that.

quoonbeatz · Post by **quoonbeatz** » Mon Dec 18, 2017 11:58 am

i'd ship them all of those mentioned out.

we'll never have a better opportunity to get rid whilst people think our players are actually good.

Sidney1st · Post by **Sidney1st** » Mon Dec 18, 2017 11:59 am

ablueclaret wrote:So we're just going to build a vast squad?
Players particularly the type we sign like to be involved playing and quite a few must realise their careers would be better advanced away from here.
If we have gleaned enough points by early January I fancy we may see a few furthering their careers elsewhere.

When has Dyche ever had a vast squad you clown???

He generally uses the fewest amount of players in the top 2 leagues during a season

As for better advancement elsewhere and gleaning enough points by January, the season doesn't end in January, we've still got a lot to play for especially if we're still around the top 6.

You're that two faced we all know you'd complain if Dyche sold players and didn't have a big enough squad to cover injuries, because that's what the squad has done so far this season, stepped in when required.

ablueclaret · Post by **ablueclaret** » Mon Dec 18, 2017 12:56 pm

Always been an adherent of the small squad method, and therefore for me to bring more players in means releasing some.
I'm delighted that the small squad mentality exists at Burnley.

jlup1980 · Post by **jlup1980** » Mon Dec 18, 2017 1:06 pm

Can't understand some people. Long, Arfield, Vokes and Barnes have been involved in virtually every match day squad this season. They're going nowhere unless they decide it's time to move on. Kevin Long has just player two games in place of Ben Mee and you wouldn't have noticed Mee was missing. He was superb in my opinion. If he was to leave who would we replace him with? He'll replace Tarky when the inevitable ban comes his way after Saturday. He's a big part of our squad. Sean deemed him good enough to be cover after Keane left and he's showing why.

Roosterbooster · Post by **Roosterbooster** » Mon Dec 18, 2017 1:11 pm

If we want to sign players in January, then we have to consider selling / loaning our players. We have 24 registered, max allowed is 25

Darthlaw · Post by **Darthlaw** » Mon Dec 18, 2017 1:15 pm

Typical ABC. Opinions based upon the square root of ferk all. At least he's not lying to get attention on this thread though or, as of more recently, being racist to press a point.

The only genuine recruits we need in January are a centre back and a winger (who we only need due to the severity of Brady's injury).

Notice Ablueliar mentions selling players to make room for new recruits. Is he suggesting we must sell Chris Long before we get a cover CB in, or maybe Ulvestad has to go (he almost did by all accounts) before we can sign a new winger?

As per usual he's talking pish.

Chris Long may go because he's well down the pecking order and we wouldn't miss him, as per Ulvestad and possibly Marney whilst he gains fitness. Arfield, Vokes and Barnes however? This goes to show how much attention he actually pays to the club.

Firthy · Post by **Firthy** » Mon Dec 18, 2017 1:17 pm

I don't think any of our squad will leave before the summer. If anything we'll bring in CB and winger to replace Brady and that will be all.

Darthlaw · Post by **Darthlaw** » Mon Dec 18, 2017 1:18 pm

Roosterbooster wrote:If we want to sign players in January, then we have to consider selling / loaning our players. We have 24 registered, max allowed is 25

Ulvestad and Brady can be de-registered for the remainder of this season.

Sidney1st · Post by **Sidney1st** » Mon Dec 18, 2017 1:21 pm

ablueclaret wrote:Always been an adherent of the small squad method, and therefore for me to bring more players in means releasing some.
I'm delighted that the small squad mentality exists at Burnley.

Of course we'd have to release some, rules limit us to 25...

ablueclaret · Post by **ablueclaret** » Mon Dec 18, 2017 1:23 pm

Why anyone should think I was talking of Kevin Long I don't know he's pretty indispensable.
You have to look at the best time to bring players in and with us in the enviable position we are this is the time to do it, wait until the summer and players haven't had the time to bed in.
Just look at the last intake.
Yes several of the players I mentioned have made huge contributions just as Boyd did but there comes a time when it is better for them to move on, hanging on to players because of their past accomplishments is the sure way to head downwards, there a many sides littered with players whose prime has been past. There is no doubt that SD trusts experience over youth but most of our best players have been bought fairly young Ings Mee Keane Trippier that has to be the way forward and we do not want to get caught out with an ageing squad.

Darthlaw · Post by **Darthlaw** » Mon Dec 18, 2017 1:32 pm

ablueclaret wrote: hanging on to players because of their past accomplishments is the sure way to head downwards,

So when you suggest selling Barnes, you mean his past accomplishments being the goal he scored less than a week ago and by downwards you mean upwards to fourth place at the time?

You sir are a tit.

Sidney1st · Post by **Sidney1st** » Mon Dec 18, 2017 1:32 pm

We aren't getting caught out with an ageing squad...
Or have they all suddenly entered an ageing machine?

We've got a healthy mix of youth, age and varying levels of experience and a good number of international players.

ablueclaret · Post by **ablueclaret** » Mon Dec 18, 2017 1:37 pm

The whole point of progression as a side is that one tries to improve on what one has and whilst it unlikely that Barnes or Vokes will leave both are players the manager will be looking to potentially replace in the shortish term, indeed it might be argued they have been replaced already. What is patently obvious is that we need a player with Ings like qualities to complement the likes of Wood.

Bobzuruncle · Post by **Bobzuruncle** » Mon Dec 18, 2017 1:39 pm

In Jan we will be in the fantastic position of promising at least 18months of PL football with possibly 6months of that as a high profile (in WC year) hence we will be a more attractive proposition than even at the end of the season , the only downside will be money hence I expect us to get someone in but also to see at least one from the list move - almost all of which will be coveted by Championship teams wanting to improve

Sidney1st · Post by **Sidney1st** » Mon Dec 18, 2017 1:40 pm

One or both of Barnes and Vokes could well be off in the summer.
As it stands both are contributing and chipping in with goals/assists.
We can still buy a better attacking mid and keep the two strikers.

JTClaret · Post by **JTClaret** » Mon Dec 18, 2017 1:46 pm

Aside from Ulvestad I can't think of anyone we would consider 'wanting' to sell.
The older players, eg. Arfield and Marney can not only step in and know the system but surely would offer experience in the dressing room. We have signed players in the past for their knowledge and what they give the dressing room/squad, and now we already have those players, plus they are still fans favourites, even if we know their time is coming.

Tall Paul · Post by **Tall Paul** » Mon Dec 18, 2017 3:41 pm

ablueclaret wrote:Why anyone should think I was talking of Kevin Long I don't know he's pretty indispensable.

Perhaps it's because you included Long in with Marney, Ulvestad, Vokes, Barnes and Wells and talked about players we had on loan separately.

UpTheBeehole · Post by **UpTheBeehole** » Mon Dec 18, 2017 3:51 pm

Price-wise, in the current market, bearing in mind ages and contracts, I'd be willing to accept the following offers should they come:

Pope £10m
Lowton £9m
Ward £5m
Mee £30m
Tarkowski £30m
JBG £30m
Defour £30m
Cork £35m
Hendrick £20m
Brady £25m
Wood £30m
Vokes £10m
Barnes £6m
Arfield £7m

Heaton £30m
Bardsley £1m
K Long £5m
Westwood £5m
Marney £500k
Ulvestad £100k
Taylor £15m
Walters £500k
Lindegaard £100k
Legzdins £100k
Wells £5m

FactualFrank · Post by **FactualFrank** » Mon Dec 18, 2017 3:55 pm

A bit of unwarranted abuse directed at Ablue, to be fair. Ultimately, I agree with what he's saying - and there's never a point when we don't need to improve a position - unless we have Messi upfront. We always want to improve and get better players. You don't keep a player because they contributed to our success, if you can buy better.

I know January can have an increase in player prices, but at the same time, we'll be a top 10 Premier League side and I often talk about 'pulling power'. The magnet to attract better players because we'll be playing Premier Leagye football for the next 18 months at least. This is why January might actually be the best time to bring players in, with some being shipped out.

CharlieinNewMexico · Post by **CharlieinNewMexico** » Mon Dec 18, 2017 4:15 pm

You'd sell Pope for 10 million? :O

UpTheBeehole · Post by **UpTheBeehole** » Mon Dec 18, 2017 4:19 pm

CharlieinNewMexico wrote:You'd sell Pope for 10 million? :O

A player who's never played for longer than half a season in his career?

Bearing in mind there's literally only 9 goalkeepers to ever be sold for more than £10m?

Yes.

CharlieinNewMexico · Post by **CharlieinNewMexico** » Mon Dec 18, 2017 4:23 pm

A player who is our only decent fit one in his position and a future England international?

kentonclaret · Post by **kentonclaret** » Mon Dec 18, 2017 4:24 pm

Pope has been fantastic this season thus far and it would be no surprise if he received an England call up. I certainly wouldn't sell Pope for £10m but there again I wouldn't pay £30m for Chris Wood either.

UpTheBeehole · Post by **UpTheBeehole** » Mon Dec 18, 2017 4:25 pm

CharlieinNewMexico wrote:A player who is our only decent fit one in his position and a future England international?

Would you pay over £10m for a near 26 year old who's just got into double figures in terms of Premier League games played?

FactualFrank · Post by **FactualFrank** » Mon Dec 18, 2017 4:31 pm

Does anybody know the figures for finishing positions in the Prem? At one point it was £250k difference per spot, but assume it's higher than that now?

Wile E Coyote · Post by **Wile E Coyote** » Mon Dec 18, 2017 4:42 pm

Sidney1st wrote:When has Dyche ever had a vast squad you clown???

He generally uses the fewest amount of players in the top 2 leagues during a season

As for better advancement elsewhere and gleaning enough points by January, the season doesn't end in January, we've still got a lot to play for especially if we're still around the top 6.

You're that two faced we all know you'd complain if Dyche sold players and didn't have a big enough squad to cover injuries, because that's what the squad has done so far this season, stepped in when required.

ignore them ABC, always rude for no good reason these types.

Tall Paul · Post by **Tall Paul** » Mon Dec 18, 2017 4:45 pm

UpTheBeehole wrote:Would you pay over £10m for a near 26 year old who's just got into double figures in terms of Premier League games played?

Like Lacazette or Morata? Definitely.

Sidney1st · Post by **Sidney1st** » Mon Dec 18, 2017 4:46 pm

Wile E Coyote wrote:ignore them ABC, always rude for no good reason these types.

Wasn't as rude as I could be.
It's wasted on ABC though, he will still be along to type up some more rubbish.

Royboyclaret · Post by **Royboyclaret** » Mon Dec 18, 2017 4:49 pm

".........Does anybody know the figures for finishing positions in the Prem? At one point it was £250k difference per spot, but assume it's higher than that now?......."

It's currently £1.95m per place, with another increase due from the '19/'20 season.