Pope's infallibility?

kindonesque · Post by **kindonesque** » Tue Dec 26, 2017 9:36 pm

How good was Pope's save? Save of the century or lucky?

ElectroClaret · Post by **ElectroClaret** » Tue Dec 26, 2017 9:37 pm

Ordained by God.....

Pstotto · Post by **Pstotto** » Tue Dec 26, 2017 9:43 pm

If he'd worn slightly different gloves then Kermit might have saved it, or Sooty.

Bin Ont Turf · Post by **Bin Ont Turf** » Tue Dec 26, 2017 9:47 pm

It was 'cheeky'.

nonayclaret · Post by **nonayclaret** » Tue Dec 26, 2017 9:47 pm

Mr Pope deserves much applause and should be proud to be a current member of Proudsville. No-one infallible...look at Moanrihnio and De Gea and the Messiah etc

Vegas Claret · Post by **Vegas Claret** » Tue Dec 26, 2017 9:53 pm

he's superb, comes out for crosses and hardly ever flaps - takes off so much pressure. I think we've all said it, but how can Dyche justify dropping him once Tom is fit ?

nonayclaret · Post by **nonayclaret** » Tue Dec 26, 2017 9:58 pm

when is Tom fit?

MDWat · Post by **MDWat** » Tue Dec 26, 2017 10:03 pm

nonayclaret wrote:when is Tom fit?

6 weeks or so, according to the man himself.

randomclaret2 · Post by **randomclaret2** » Tue Dec 26, 2017 10:03 pm

If he carries on like this and helps us into Europe, I"d happily kiss his ring.

nonayclaret · Post by **nonayclaret** » Tue Dec 26, 2017 10:07 pm

Yes, well!
Lets get into Europe first.
and make sure you OK that with Tom.

randomclaret2 · Post by **randomclaret2** » Tue Dec 26, 2017 10:13 pm

I was referring to the Pope's ring ...

Burnleyareback2 · Post by **Burnleyareback2** » Tue Dec 26, 2017 10:20 pm

Surprise player of the season

Steve1956 · Post by **Steve1956** » Tue Dec 26, 2017 10:26 pm

I doubt Tom will play for us again,maybe an ocassional cup game,Tom is history..sad but true

nonayclaret · Post by **nonayclaret** » Tue Dec 26, 2017 10:35 pm

I can't agree with that. Marney was on the bench today and people said the same about him

Steve1956 · Post by **Steve1956** » Tue Dec 26, 2017 10:37 pm

nonayclaret wrote:I can't agree with that. Marney was on the bench today and people said the same about him

Ok..it was my opinion that's all

Joe14 · Post by **Joe14** » Tue Dec 26, 2017 10:42 pm

Steve

claretdj · Post by **claretdj** » Tue Dec 26, 2017 10:47 pm

Steve1956 wrote:I doubt Tom will play for us again,maybe an ocassional cup game,Tom is history..sad but true

Nice cast!

Steve1956 · Post by **Steve1956** » Tue Dec 26, 2017 11:02 pm

Ok ...blinkers on,you can only play one keeper...bye Tom

gawthorpe_view · Post by **gawthorpe_view** » Tue Dec 26, 2017 11:31 pm

Being captain will pretty much away the decision in Tom's favour.

Colburn_Claret · Post by **Colburn_Claret** » Tue Dec 26, 2017 11:37 pm

Tom was in the away end today, taking selfish for a load of kids.
Class act.
I do prefer the way Pope comes out for the ball, but it's a great problem to have.

bobinho · Post by **bobinho** » Wed Dec 27, 2017 12:04 am

Steve1956 wrote:I doubt Tom will play for us again,maybe an ocassional cup game,Tom is history..sad but true

Eh?

One of the top five English keepers and you say he’s done?

Pope has been great, and Tom will have to wait his chance with nick in this form, but to say Heaton is finished is ludicrous. Really.

Steve1956 · Post by **Steve1956** » Wed Dec 27, 2017 12:14 am

bobinho wrote:Eh?

One of the top five English keepers and you say he’s done?

Pope has been great, and Tom will have to wait his chance with nick in this form, but to say Heaton is finished is ludicrous. Really.

EH, Who said he was finished.Pope is better in the air,maybe not as good a shot stopper but Pope has youth on his side everyone's career finally end's maybe he will go to a bigger club Heaton is on a par with Pope it would be cruel of Dyche to drop Pope when Heaton is fit I don't think he will...IMO of course

claretrobo1 · Post by **claretrobo1** » Wed Dec 27, 2017 12:28 am

Heaton will spend some time on the bench but he is one of the countries best and he is club captain. Pope is good at dealing with crosses, more so than Tom, but I find Tom's decision making far superior and makes less mistakes. I think because of Pope's good season we can sell him for a high price

nil_desperandum · Post by **nil_desperandum** » Wed Dec 27, 2017 12:33 am

gawthorpe_view wrote:Being captain will pretty much away the decision in Tom's favour.

Will it not come down to who is the best keeper? I sincerely hope so.
At present, no one - not even Tom Heaton - knows whether he will be able to regain his previous form and challenge Pope for the GK slot.
It's a truly horrendous injury for a keeper to have to recover from.
How many times has a previously dislocated shoulder ruled out Charlie Austin for months on end ..... and he's not a keeper.
(I speak as someone who has had several shoulder ops and still has issues with it. It's a very complex structure.)

turfytopper · Post by **turfytopper** » Wed Dec 27, 2017 9:46 am

Steve1956 wrote:I doubt Tom will play for us again,maybe an ocassional cup game,Tom is history..sad but true

No way. If as I'd expect, Tom gets back to where he was he'll get back in. It is fantastic to have two great keepers.

Moorite · Post by **Moorite** » Wed Dec 27, 2017 9:53 am

Tom will fight for his place. And he will fight hard. He has never had real competition before at Burnley. Now he has. If you think Tom was good before, just wait till he is fighting for his place. Same goes for Pope, he is on fire because he knows he is playing for his place.

dsr · Post by **dsr** » Wed Dec 27, 2017 10:02 am

I don't think "fighting for their place" makes any difference to most, if not all, of Burnley's players. The improvement most of them have shown under Dyche is because of the "maximum effort is the minimum requirement" policy - whether it's self-motivation or Dyche-motivation, they're all playing at maximum effort all the time.

Moorite · Post by **Moorite** » Wed Dec 27, 2017 10:09 am

dsr wrote:I don't think "fighting for their place" makes any difference to most, if not all, of Burnley's players. The improvement most of them have shown under Dyche is because of the "maximum effort is the minimum requirement" policy - whether it's self-motivation or Dyche-motivation, they're all playing at maximum effort all the time.

In my opinion, having competition in every place is one of the 2 reasons we are doing so well.

Hipper · Post by **Hipper** » Wed Dec 27, 2017 11:33 am

That was a strange occurrence, the one where the ball hit Pope's face and spun onto the crossbar.

In peculiarity it matches a goal I saw Arthur Bellamy score, I think on the Turf against West Brom on a muddy pitch. His shot hit the post and span there for what seemed like an age before it rolled over the line.

Bin Ont Turf · Post by **Bin Ont Turf** » Wed Dec 27, 2017 12:34 pm

Anyone think that he could have done better for their first goal?

dsr · Post by **dsr** » Wed Dec 27, 2017 12:43 pm

Bin Ont Turf wrote:Anyone think that he could have done better for their first goal?

Nope. With normal shots you get advance warning of when the shot is coming so you can be diving as soon as it's hit. (Which is one of the reason mishits sometimes go in softly - because the keeper has already started to save the shot the forward was trying to hit.) With Lingard's flicked goal, Pope couldn't dive until he could see the ball was heading that way, by which time it was too late for any goalkeeper to get there.

taio · Post by **taio** » Wed Dec 27, 2017 12:48 pm

Bin Ont Turf wrote:Anyone think that he could have done better for their first goal?

No, he had no chance with it. Caught by surprise after a clever effort.

tim_noone · Post by **tim_noone** » Wed Dec 27, 2017 12:52 pm

kindonesque wrote:How good was Pope's save? Save of the century or lucky?

It was that good it wasn't discussed on motd but I'm sure if any of the top six? Goalies had made it.....it would have been up there with the Gordon Banks save from pele.

Steve1956 · Post by **Steve1956** » Wed Dec 27, 2017 2:53 pm

turfytopper wrote:No way. If as I'd expect, Tom gets back to where he was he'll get back in. It is fantastic to have two great keepers.

It certainly is great having two good keepers,can't remember when we were better equipped in the keeper position,alas Tom has had a career threatening injury to his shoulder it will be difficult for him to get back to were he was......I wish him all the best but I think Pope has took his job.

dsr · Post by **dsr** » Wed Dec 27, 2017 3:33 pm

Steve1956 wrote:It certainly is great having two good keepers,can't remember when we were better equipped in the keeper position ...

Pearce and Williams?

Vegas Claret · Post by **Vegas Claret** » Wed Dec 27, 2017 3:57 pm

Bin Ont Turf wrote:Anyone think that he could have done better for their first goal?

no but Arfield and Taylor could have done

turfytopper · Post by **turfytopper** » Wed Dec 27, 2017 4:56 pm

dsr wrote:Pearce and Williams?

OK you are right...

was it Williams who once played against us for Rochdale at the Turf...whilst a Burnley loan player?!!

If so he had a blinder and I think they won.

Wouldn't be allowed today of course.

tim_noone · Post by **tim_noone** » Wed Dec 27, 2017 5:05 pm

turfytopper wrote:OK you are right...

was it Williams who once played against us for Rochdale at the Turf...whilst a Burnley loan player?!!

If so he had a blinder and I think they won.

Wouldn't be allowed today of course.

It was... I'm sure they hammered us by a big margin though I stand to be corrected.

Burnleyareback2 · Post by **Burnleyareback2** » Wed Dec 27, 2017 7:10 pm

Suspect we will lose either Pope or Heaton in the summer.

When was the last time we sold a keeper, was it Beresford?

KRBFC · Post by **KRBFC** » Wed Dec 27, 2017 7:16 pm

I think Pope's a better keeper than Heaton, according to Wiki, Pope is 3cm taller than Heaton but he plays like he's 7ft tall.

Dressinggown · Post by **Dressinggown** » Wed Dec 27, 2017 9:01 pm

What a position to be in. A £20m+ keeper that might not get back into our side when he is fit.

Bonus.

Bin Ont Turf · Post by **Bin Ont Turf** » Wed Dec 27, 2017 9:18 pm

Vegas Claret wrote:no but Arfield and Taylor could have done

Taylor was pretty poor there.

Vegas Claret · Post by **Vegas Claret** » Wed Dec 27, 2017 9:47 pm

Bin Ont Turf wrote:Taylor was pretty poor there.

our failure to stop crosses from Utd's right hand side was our undoing in the second half - JBG was immense on the other side helping Bardsley out